YES, “Wisconsin should retain same-day voter registration"!

By JOHN EYSTER   Saturday, November 24, 2012 - 5:43 a.m.

YES, “Wisconsin should retain same-day voter registration"!

I agree with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel editorial. WHY did our WI State Governor Scott Walker "escape to CA" to deliver his agenda "ON" Friday, 11/16/2012? What do YOU think?

Is Governor Scott Walker TONE-DEAF or in DENIAL about our Tuesday, November 6, 2012 voting in WI? Does he NOT know what WE THE PEOPLE of WI said in our VOTING? WHY did our WI Governor "escape to CA" to announce his AGENDA ON WI? I use the term “ON” advisedly since I do NOT consider Walker’s agenda “for” WI. Do YOU?

I HOPE you have read the reports so YOU know WALKER’s agenda ON WI. If not, there is a news article by Dee J. Hall and Samara Kalk Derby available as published on Monday, November 19, 2012 by the Wisconsin State Journal, “Gov. Scott Walker unveils agenda for Wisconsin during speech in California.”

You can watch the whole Scott Walker speech on YouTube using this link, “A Reagan Forum with Scott Walker – 11/16/12."

Also, you can watch the “exclusive interview” with WI Governor Scott Walker at the Reagan Library via YouTube “An Interview with Scott Walker – 11/16/12."

Why do YOU think our WI Governor Scott Walker went to CA to outline his agenda “ON” WI?

Among the agenda items which Scott identified was his desire to change our LONG-STANDING(since 1971) Wisconsin law that allows voters to register at their polling place on the day of an election. WHY?!

ALERT is sounded by Daily Kos, “Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker wants to kill the nation’s oldest same-day voter registration law”!

I urge you to read this article which provides HISTORICAL CONTEXT for our WI same-day registration law. Just think: WE WERE FIRST IN 1971! I support SAME-DAY VOTER REGISTRATION! Do YOU?

I am grateful for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel’s editorial, “Wisconsin should retain same-day voter registration,” published yesterday (11/23/2012).

TODAY the Wisconsin State Journal brings additional information with perspective to the issue with its news article in today’s issue, “Local clerks say eliminating same-day voter registration would create more difficulties.”

Read this article which reports on the various COMPLICATIONS which eliminating same-day voter registration would create. Pay attention to the issue of PROVISIONAL BALLOTS!

NOTE the fact that IF WI were to repeal same-day voter registration, WI would subject itself to numerous FEDERAL REGULATIONS, including necessity of providing that WI implement “The Motor Voter Act.”

Right now, WI is exempt from this law because of our SAME-DAY REGISTRATION LAW. You should check details by reading the Wikipedia article, “National Voter Registration Act of 1993” popularly called “THE MOTOR VOTER ACT.” What do YOU think? Should we choose to repeal our same-day registration and implement “The Motor Voter Act”? I wonder whether Scott Walker is even aware of this consequence of his policy goal.

I would note that Scott Walker has made numerous significant public policy decisions without KNOWLEDGE and appropriate evaluation. I am among WE THE PEOPLE of WI who wishes we had removed Scott Walker from office with our RECALL VOTE last June (2012). NOW we have to live with the consequences.

In fact, the situation has become VERY PROBLEMATIC AGAIN with the fact that WE THE PEOPLE of WI did NOT learn the lesson of voting in 2010 when we gave total control of our WI State Government to the conservative Republicans.

DIVIDED GOVERNMENT is BEST for WE THE PEOPLE of WI! I know comments have accused me of NOT making that assertion in my WE THE PEOPLE blog posts through the years when DEMOCRATS had united government in WI. NOT TRUE! I have argued consistently that DIVIDED GOVERNMENT is OPTIMAL for our republics – both WI and the USA. DIVIDED GOVERNMENT does, however, work ONLY with the principles of NEGOTIATIONS & COMPROMISE. Those are key principles of a HEALTHY republic!

WE THE PEOPLE of WI saw a dramatic example of the DYSfunction which comes from a UNIFIED government when there is NO negotiation and compromise! Are we NOW going to live through this kind of DYSfunctional state government again? I had thought Scott Walker had learned a lesson from the RECALL and was honestly seeking true bi-partisan negotiations and compromise.

The CA address clearly announced that Walker is NOT going to walk the talk of the RECALL ELECTION CAMPAIGN. He is NOW sounding the clear-cut conservative REPUBLICAN attitude and WALKING that talk.

I dare to have the audacity of HOPE that WE THE PEOPLE of WI will be able to defend our same-day voter registration in spite of Walker and his conservative REPUBLICAN puppets in our legislature. What do YOU hope for?

Here we go…

Mr. E.

John Eyster lives in the Edgerton area. He is an adjunct professor of political science at UW-Waukesha and an advocate for democracy/civics education in Wisconsin high schools. John is a community blogger and is not a part of The Gazette staff. His opinion is not necessarily that of the The Gazette staff or management.

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WalterReuther
Dec 9, 2012 at 3:35 p.m.
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Walker took his son to the polls during the Republican primary this year. The young Walker accompanied by his father, the Governor who now all of the sudden thinks that same day registration is anti-American, took advantage of same day voter registration so that he could vote. I guess it's do as I say not as I do for our special little governor Scotty.

WalterReuther
Dec 9, 2012 at 12:03 p.m.
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The Milwaukee police report regarding their investigation into the 2004 election explains thoroughly why it has been discredited.
From page 62 of the report:
"During the course of this investigation, the members of this task force had to rely on the records that were provided to us by the City of Milwaukee Election Commission. In case after case where it appeared that a violation of the law had been committed, investigators could find no documentary proof of the violation or the documentation contradicted the digital record.
Despite the numerous discrepancies, investigators moved forward with several prosecutions of election fraud, referring both double-voters and felon-voters to federal and state court. As has been documented previously in this report, those prosecutions were met with mixed results, with the overriding factor in the failures being the unreliability of the records provided by the election commission."
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What's great about that report and why it should be taken with a grain of salt is how they blame the Election Commission's records for the failure of their prosecutions. The report doesn't even raise the possibility that the Milwaukee PD's half baked conspiracy theories as well as the results of their investigation based on those theories were unreliable and that's why the prosecutions were unsuccessful. The Milwaukee PD wants the reader of the report to believe that the onus falls on the Milwaukee Election Commission for this imaginary rampant voter fraud. Anyone with half a brain reading that report could see that the only proof the report offers up to blame the election commission is the Milwaukee PD's own disappointment for failing to prove what thy set out to prove. The Milwaukee Police Dept is, has been and always will be a complete mess and a joke to the profession of police work.

RetiredAirForce
Dec 1, 2012 at 10:45 a.m.
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Wasp I never declared what he did. I simply provided links to and quotes from, recommendations from the report. You are the one that declared it was discredited. But have yet to point anything I used from the report that wasn't true. Making the same left wing points, repeatedly, doesn't make them true.

wasp2491
Dec 1, 2012 at 5:49 a.m.
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Raf - That is why I was reluctant to attach a link. When an investigation is used by a politician to prove a point and his claim is called false. The reasons are clearly pointed out as to why the investigation was flawed, obviously, you don't have the mental capacity to understand why that conclusion was reached. Therefore I wish you happiness in your little world and the rest of us will be happy in our big one.

RetiredAirForce
Dec 1, 2012 at 12:22 a.m.
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wasp even "your" politifact link showed clear evidence of voter fraud and didn't say a word about the clear cases of registration fraud in the milwaukee report. Nice try.

wasp2491
Nov 30, 2012 at 6:56 a.m.
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RAF - read this link to the end, if you don't it will confuse you I am sure. http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/stat...

RetiredAirForce
Nov 30, 2012 at 2:44 a.m.
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wasp who said it was flawless? You have repeatedly claimed it was discredited as a crutch to ignore positions of the report are a complete rebuttal to your claims. If you want to deny the report, fine than say you do. But by claiming it was discredited without a single credible source to back your remarks it shows, once again, your inability to back your simplistic opinions.

Third_Eye
Nov 29, 2012 at 11:52 a.m.
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Do tell JJBrown, what voter suppression activity are we wathcing Governor Walker perform?

JJBrown
Nov 29, 2012 at 11:44 a.m.
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YES...Every American citizen must have an equal right to vote. There is no reason which can excuse the denial of that right. There is no duty which weighs more heavily on us than the duty we have to ensure that right... The command of the Constitution is plain. There is no moral issue. It is wrong—deadly wrong—to deny any of your fellow Americans the right to vote in this country. There is no issue of States rights or National rights. There is only the struggle for human rights. —President Lyndon Johnson, “The American Promise,” March 15, 1965...These words are from the well-known televised address President Johnson gave before a joint session of Congress urging members to move forward without delay on what would become the Voting Rights Act of 1965........... SCOTT WALKER NEEDS TO REALIZE THAT WE THE PEOPLE ARE WATCHING HIS VOTER SUPPRESSION ACTIVITY !

wasp2491
Nov 29, 2012 at 11:04 a.m.
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Raf - I don't intend to respond to what ended up to be a discredited report. This was a big issue for a while for the Milwaukee radio sqwaukers but they even gave up on it when they discovered it was the result of clerical errors. They, of course never retract anything, they just quit bleating about it. If it was any other way I am sure with your obvious unlimited time and talent you will be able to show us all the convictions that resulted from this "flawless report".

RetiredAirForce
Nov 28, 2012 at 10:46 p.m.
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Imagine that, no answer...

RetiredAirForce
Nov 27, 2012 at 10:26 p.m.
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"discredited report"
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Please provide your credible sources showing how the report is discredited.

wasp2491
Nov 27, 2012 at 5:28 p.m.
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RAF - If a 8 year old discredited report is the best you have and it makes you feel good, go for it!

wasp2491
Nov 27, 2012 at 5:27 p.m.
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RAF - If a 4 year old discredited report is the best you have and it makes you feel good, go for it!

Eagle1
Nov 27, 2012 at 11:56 a.m.
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when you don't have an answer break out the 'ist' labels old tired tactic and not very effective... nice try though.

RetiredAirForce
Nov 27, 2012 at 10:35 a.m.
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Wasp is it the link that offends you? Do you really think they changed the pdf report? Feel free to google the report on your own, it was easy, I used the first link that popped up. Regardless, your interpretation of the report is hardly accurate of the whole report...then again you would know that if your head was removed from its unclosed surroundings.

poobah
Nov 27, 2012 at 9:27 a.m.
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age·ism

noun: prejudice or discrimination against a particular age-group and especially the elderly. (Merriam-Webster)

Eagle1
Nov 27, 2012 at 7:47 a.m.
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poobah if you don't think it is easier to forge something through digital manipulation and push it past an elderly person rather than someone in their 20's you are much more ignorant than I am ageist. Use your brain you are smarter than that.

wasp2491
Nov 27, 2012 at 6:51 a.m.
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Raf - If you are going to quote my "uttering" as you put it. By the way " uttering" is verbal not written. But enough of that, please don't edit what I said. Your link was to an investigation that was done in 2004. It came from a site that is notorious for it's right wing nonsense. The results of this investigation were later pretty much discredited as clerical errors. If you call this sticking your head in the sand so be it, but don't take part of what I post and make that the issue , just because you seem to want keep your head stuck somewhere dark.

RetiredAirForce
Nov 26, 2012 at 10:30 p.m.
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wasp uttered "I didn't refer to attached report because voter ID wouldn't have helped in those incidences."
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Ahhh the sticking your head in the sand approach, yeah that works.

RetiredAirForce
Nov 26, 2012 at 10:26 p.m.
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My how the left ignores that only 6 states allow same day registration. I wonder why the left and the ACLU haven't started law suits against the other (51 states in obama math) states in their obvious suppression of voters...

poobah
Nov 26, 2012 at 4:57 p.m.
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Eagle1 said to carlitosway, "so you are denying that it is possible to vote multiple times with easily forged utility bills presented to elderly poll workers? How naive of you."

What does the age of a person have to do with their ability as a poll worker? How ageist of you!

Eagle1
Nov 26, 2012 at 4:29 p.m.
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so you are denying that it is possible to vote multiple times with easily forged utility bills presented to elderly poll workers? How naive of you. The ignorant truly are running the show I see, can't wait to see where this leads us. Bring on the chaos!

carlitosway
Nov 26, 2012 at 4:15 p.m.
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Same day voting registration has work for years and now that it does not benefit the sore losers They wah wah wah want to change it.
Eagle1 that is so republican of you to vote more then once. If you read real NEWS you will find the GOPs claim on that was FALSE. BTW same day registration would better the chance of honest voting rather then dishonest

Eagle1
Nov 26, 2012 at 1:33 p.m.
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I hope it stays in play otherwise how will I be able to vote multiple times with forged utility bills?

wisslady
Nov 26, 2012 at 12:57 p.m.
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Again fantasy, and not a REAL problem. Twisted talking points are not facts.

matthew516
Nov 26, 2012 at 12:37 p.m.
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Does this include the illegal aliens that the democrats offer freedom to for their vote?

wisslady
Nov 26, 2012 at 12:25 p.m.
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The liberals seem to take action on filing complaints to expose wrongdoing. It has been said that conservatives, in general, do not want to bring up complaints to be followed up on because it would expose that they are only using voter ID as a talking point issue to spread unrest to garner support. Voter ID fraud is miniscule compared to a REAL problem.

Bowlgal
Nov 26, 2012 at 11:50 a.m.
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vnvet7071
Nov 25, 2012 at 10:43 a.m.
Thatwaseasy...NO MUSH FOR YOU !

Is this how adults talk to each other? WOW

So, why can't you go early to register?

wasp2491
Nov 26, 2012 at 11:25 a.m.
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Raf- I didn't refer to attached report because voter ID wouldn't have helped in those incidences. There was a further review of that investigation and when that was done it was determined that the investigation was severely flawed. There was no follow up by authorities, as most of the problems were clerical errors. If you seriously think they would print any correction from the website that you posted that information from, don't hold your breath, as I very much enjoy sparring with you and would miss your confrontational style.

wislady
Nov 26, 2012 at 11 a.m.
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"All flag waving aside, the LARGE percentage of voter fraud, ALLEGEDLY CAPTURED, of the .005 percent that has been DOCUMENTED is meaningless."

Nothing is done because the GAB and the DA's do not investigate anything, unless it is a complaint against a republican.

RetiredAirForce
Nov 26, 2012 at 9:25 a.m.
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According to the left line of thinking locking bank vaults, securing accounts, and insuring your deposits are a waste of time and money...since the percentage of bank robberies are so low when compared with the actual dollar amount of money deposited and the number of accounts in existance.

More silly logic by the party the part of the left; do as I say not as I do crowd.

wisslady
Nov 26, 2012 at 7:17 a.m.
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All flag waving aside, the LARGE percentage of voter fraud, ALLEGEDLY CAPTURED, of the .005 percent that has been DOCUMENTED is meaningless.

RetiredAirForce
Nov 26, 2012 at 6:44 a.m.
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"There would be no chance of wholesale voter fraud with people, voting as other people would not be uncovered."
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I see you FAILED to read the investigative report that spelled out exactly what you claim doesn't happen.

Recommendations from just one investigation of voter fraud in this state: "It is the opinion of the Task Force investigators that more than any other recommendation we could make, our investigation has concluded that the one thing that could eliminate a large percentage of fraud or the appearance of fraudulent voting in any given Election is the elimination of the On-Site or Same Day voter registration system...As an alternative, if On-Site registration is to continue in its present form, then the presentation of a government issued identification card that includes the voter's name, address (including city) and date of birth should be presented before the person is allowed to register and vote. The inclusion of identification alternatives such as a credit card bill, library card, lease, etc., where no photo is provided, does not ensure that the person presenting these types of documents is in fact the person they are asserting to be."

wasp2491
Nov 26, 2012 at 6:22 a.m.
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RAF -I think that your comprehension is a problem my friend. If we had people voting as some else, don't think that some one, some where would be reporting it?
There would be no chance of wholesale voter fraud with people, voting as other people would not be uncovered. If you believe anyone could pull that off, you have some serious, logical thinking problems. You'd be better off telling me about people wearing Bears clothing and buses with Ill. license plates. But the bigger question that started all this is, where are these cases of voter fraud? Why can you never answer a question. The attorney general spent several million recently looking for voter fraud and came up with some felons that were confused about their parole status and voting. Voter ID wouldn't have caught that. So when you say voter ID is required to uncover voter fraud it just isn't true. All I ever hear is excuses and attempts at obfuscation.

poobah
Nov 26, 2012 at 6:15 a.m.
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RetiredAirForce said, "Poo where did I say anything about other justices?"

I didn't say you did nor does you not mentioning other justices or providing a complete sentence quote preclude me from doing just that. Doing so is not a partisan privilege.

RetiredAirForce
Nov 26, 2012 at 5:34 a.m.
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wasp I see your "typing slower" hasn't improved your comprehension. You asked for "examples of voter fraud convictions that that voter ID would have uncovered". Duh! Without such a law there is NO WAY to determine nor stop the fraud for these cases. There is no protection from your neighbor going to the voting booth and claiming they are you. What you are essentially saying is you want the total number of speeders listed from a street/road that was never patrolled and then giving a number to how many should get tickets. Without a way to enforce a law there is no way to investigate problems as they HAPPEN.

Here is but one report from this state on the very problem you claim is no issue. http://media2.620wtmj.com/breakingnews/E...

RetiredAirForce
Nov 26, 2012 at 5:17 a.m.
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Poo where did I say anything about other justices? Typical of the left fringe, when unable to defend a point the game of twist and spin begins. The quote I provided stated exactly who wrote it. The quote I provided was accurate. The quote I provided directly addressed the "complaint" (repeated whine) of another poster.

So typical of the fringe circus.

Sandman
Nov 25, 2012 at 8:56 p.m.
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NO - it shouldn't. Plan ahead.

wasp2491
Nov 25, 2012 at 2:40 p.m.
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Poobah - Excellent post! But I think you are wasting your time, Anything technical, subtle or with any depth is beyond some peoples comprehension. Next you'll be hearing about buses with Ill. Plates, people with Chicago Bear clothing and other definite evidence of voter fraud. Or they will come up with some other silly piece of evidence. We all know that ryan said that voting was heavier in some areas than they expected. Code words?

poobah
Nov 25, 2012 at 12:31 p.m.
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RetiredAirForce, your partial quote of Justice Stevens that, "...the inconvenience of going to the Bureau of Motor Vehicles, gathering required documents, and posing for a photograph does not qualify as a substantial burden on most voters' right to vote, or represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting," begs for expansion as three conservative justices -- Scalia, Thomas and Alito -- did not join in that opinion.

Scalia, joined by Thomas and Alito, wrote that, "The law should be upheld because its overall burden is minimal and justified." Even the most conservative justices of the court acknowledged the "overall burden" of the voter ID law, but felt it was minimal and justified. Not all justices agreed with their opinion.

In fact, Justice Stevens himself acknowledged a "heavier burden" placed on a "limited number of persons." Let's read an expanded version of Justice Stevens opinion. "Because Indiana’s cards are free, the inconvenience of going to the Bureau of Motor Vehicles, gathering required documents, and posing for a photograph does not qualify as a substantial burden on most voters’ right to vote, or represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting. The severity of the somewhat heavier burden that
may be placed on a limited number of persons—e.g., elderly persons born out-of-state, who may have difficulty obtaining a birth certificate—is mitigated by the fact that eligible voters without photo identification may cast provisional ballots that will be counted if they execute the required affidavit at the circuit court clerk’s office." [ http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/upl... ]

wasp2491
Nov 25, 2012 at 12:15 p.m.
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RAF- Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I asked, typing slowly here, of examples of voter fraud convictions that that voter ID would have uncovered. Felons that were still on parole would not have been caught. Don't continue coming up with your nonsense. This is why you guys are becoming a minority, you don't have real answers.

RetiredAirForce
Nov 25, 2012 at 11:22 a.m.
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Another interesting story on fraud, false ID's, and conspiracy. In this case it involves teacher certification fraud by paying others to take certification tests for them.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/U...

RetiredAirForce
Nov 25, 2012 at 11:19 a.m.
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wasp you can't have it both ways. Claim state constitution on one hand but ignoring this state doesn't have a voter ID law, so there would be none found in this state. The fact is there are many convictions for those that decided to commit voter or registration fraud in this and other states around the nation. What is missing is any case of voter suppression because of voter ID in any state that requires it. So what we have is the left claiming a nonexistent crime if voter ID is enacted while they claim real convictions of real voter and registration fraud are too small to worry about.

wasp2491
Nov 25, 2012 at 11:04 a.m.
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RetiredAirForce - Once again I expected your usual off subject yammering. The state constitution places a higher bar on what qualifications can be placed on voting than even the U. S. Constitution does. But I will type this very slow once again for you. I only asked for more than a red herring from you folks. Show me some convictions, I reiterate CONVICTIONS of people committing voter fraud, that would have been stopped by voter ID. I seem to get a lot of the same arguments but no evidence. If any of you folks would quit trying to get people you don't agree with to stop voting long enough to think of something else, You would realize what a dumb way this would be to try to steal an election.

KilgoreTrout
Nov 25, 2012 at 10:51 a.m.
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@91: last minute voters who cannot find a way to register are not "stupid " they are now clasified as "low information voters" mostly people who had no idea there was an election until they were picked up and bused to polls for some type of handout

vnvet7071
Nov 25, 2012 at 10:43 a.m.
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Thatwaseasy...NO MUSH FOR YOU !

garyprimer
Nov 25, 2012 at 10:23 a.m.
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All of this hot air
will come in handy
during the coming cold months.

RetiredAirForce
Nov 25, 2012 at 10:03 a.m.
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wasp your weak argument was addressed by the US supreme court in a voter ID case. In that case Justice Stevens stated "...the inconvenience of going to the Bureau of Motor Vehicles, gathering required documents, and posing for a photograph does not qualify as a substantial burden on most voters' right to vote, or represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting."

wasp2491
Nov 25, 2012 at 9:59 a.m.
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916WI - Sorry but that was a seriously weak answer to my question! I keep hearing the same things from you folks that have had obviously have very little contact with people in rural areas, students or that live in the inner city. Some of the folks I mentioned are transient and would require frequent changes to their IDs. I have had the opportunity to work in some of these areas for extended periods of time and everything is just not as simple as you folks think it would be. But where is the evidence my friends, where is the evidence?

Maynard
Nov 25, 2012 at 9:24 a.m.
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fear: Sadly I believe having a federal holiday on election day and having it on a weekend would lower rather than raise the percentage of voting. Many years ago the UAW negoitated election day as a holiday in the auto industry in hopes of getting more people to vote. It became an opportunity to take off for a day and why waste a perfectly good day to stick around and vote. Easier to stop before or after work to vote if so inclined than to mess up a day off. Think the same would be true and even worse if it was on a weekend. Sad statement on our society but I believe it to be true. I always tried to vote but know people that took advantage of the holiday an did not vote as a result.

916WI
Nov 25, 2012 at 9:21 a.m.
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Sorry Wasp....That is a seriously weak argument. In the two to four years that each election cycle rolls around, a citizen that was serious regarding their voting rights could find an hour or two every 8 years(I believe that's how long the ID's are valid for?) to make a trip to the DMV for their free ID. Not only for voting purposes, it's a good idea for everyone to have a legal ID for day to day use. Get the voter ID legislation before the state supreme court and get it enacted.

thatwaseasy
Nov 25, 2012 at 9:09 a.m.
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Horse Hockey! A responsible person does not decide at the last minute if they are going to vote or not. They have ampul time to register, then they can either absentee vote or go on election day.
No excuses or suppression required.

We all know the truth behind the left's objectives and it has nothing to do with voter suppression if you count their cheating suppression of the Republicans.

wasp2491
Nov 25, 2012 at 9:08 a.m.
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usaret - I'll pose the same question to you. Where is all the voter fraud that voter ID would have stopped? As I said earlier fraudulent voting would be a very inefficient way to try to steal an election.

wasp2491
Nov 25, 2012 at 9:02 a.m.
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916WI - Much easier said than done. Some DMV's aren't even open once a month and they serve an entire county. Others are open only open hours when people are at work. Especially in areas where people depend on public transportation. People that are in rest homes don't always have transportation. What would you think if every city hall, town and village hall, police station, fire station etc. plus some mobile facilities were provided for people to get IDs? Maybe some early and late hour times also?

usaret
Nov 25, 2012 at 8:51 a.m.
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No one to date has explained how Voter Photo ID suppresses voters. Elections are on average every two years. So that eliminates the time problem. If Photo Id's for voters suppresses voters then it must suppress both parties not just one as seems to be implied by a few of our commentors. Voting is a right, a priviledge and an honor that needs to be PROTECTED. What excuse do those who donot vote use for not voting?

Third_Eye
Nov 25, 2012 at 8:08 a.m.
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JJBrown Nov 25, 2012 at 6:03 a.m In the final paragraph of your post you said, "The well-scripted right wing..."
If I could rephrase that for you.
The well-scripted left wing portrayal of the Republican party...
Now that's more accurate.

916WI
Nov 25, 2012 at 7:35 a.m.
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Wasp......no one is denying the fact if you're a Wisconsin resident that you have a right to vote in it's elections. Just bring your state issued ID to do so......if you can't afford one, stop by the DMV and they'll give you one for free! See how easy that is??:)

wasp2491
Nov 25, 2012 at 6:23 a.m.
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Once again the the right wing doesn't seem to be able to grasp the concept of rights that are confirmed by the constitution and other actions that are privileges. Flying, cashing checks, renting cars, etc. are not guaranteed by the constitution. Voting is. The fraud that the right constantly blathers about is pretty much a red herring. The fraud that has been discovered in Wis., to my knowledge has been felons who weren't done with their parole. It was more of a clerical error than out right fraud. There is one case that I would question though. Robin Vos's estranged wife voted in an election recently while claiming residency in Idaho. I have to assume our fair and esteemed attorney general feels that the state recognizes dual citizenship. Trying to steal an election by using voter fraud would be a very inefficient method and fraught with all kinds of danger of getting caught. I would certainly appreciate some evidence from our right wing friends of voter fraud that, that voter ID would have prevented. Until then I will continue to believe that voter ID, equals voter suppression and discontinuing same registration does the same

JJBrown
Nov 25, 2012 at 6:03 a.m.
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Like rust, the Tea Party Republicans like Scott Walker are slowly trying to erode our right to vote. REMEMBER WHO BANKROLLS SCOTT WALKER’S CAMPAIGNS- KOCH BROTHERS, etc….....Yes, Those Billionaires WANT those subsidies & big tax breaks as well as deregulation. Just because Romney lost, they will not give up trying to buy the United States….The well-scripted right wing Republican agenda of attacking unions, assaulting women’s reproductive rights, privatize social security & medicare and siding with the corporate elite against worker benefits and fair pay is well known. Scott Walker's record speaks for itself!

RetiredAirForce
Nov 25, 2012 at 1:36 a.m.
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Another example of the intolerant left, "old anngry white man". Regardless of the misspellings this statement is egregious.

First the lame attempt toward age bias, without knowledge, second and worst of all the racism used by including a color of a person.

"any assumption that a person's behavior would be influenced by their racial categorization is racist, regardless of whether the action is intentionally harmful or pejorative." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

RetiredAirForce
Nov 25, 2012 at 1:22 a.m.
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fear one of the latest and most egregious forms of these party style games was done by employees of the John Kerry for president campaign in our own state of Wisconsin. This when these 4 employees, one a child of an elected dem of this state, slashed the tires on 25 vans used by the other party in their get out the vote efforts. A weak argument would be to say this was suppression. If they had voters in the van on the way to the polls it would be suppression. Since it was on vans parked at night it clearly is criminal vandalism, as was charged.

RetiredAirForce
Nov 25, 2012 at 12:56 a.m.
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fear what you have attempted to do, in your little twisted way, was attribute party games (played by both sides) as an equal to a federal charge; nice try.

There has never been a case of voter suppression, conviction in any state over voter ID. You might want to take your own advice on education and removing your head before making yourself look foolish again.

fearandrhetoric4dummies
Nov 25, 2012 at 12:12 a.m.
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Here we go again RAF, I have already shown you the door on this one you simply must remove your head from the sand and look around. Voter suppression is NOT a big zero as you "claim" and I have show it to be true. No barking up same tree with you, unfortunately you are stuck in your middle aged old anngry white man world and refuse to see the country for what it is.
Ther ARE absolutely cases of convicted suppression attempts, by right wingers and left wingers. The republican party was caught red handed in this last cycle attempting to mislead voters in a democratic district. You just ignore iit because they were not convicted of a crime? There have been convictions, I have listed them, you choose to keep head in sand, your choice. Just because you repet it does not make it so.

I have made my case:
http://gazettextra.com/weblogs/latest-ne...

Raf response is: "Fraud is not suppression"
So intentionally misleading large amounts of people about voting dates/times/locations is not an attempt to suppress the vote?

Please RAF do not re-define what voter suppression is, this is the ACTUAL definition:
Voter suppression is a strategy to influence the outcome of an election by discouraging or preventing people from exercising their right to vote. It is distinguished from political campaigning in that campaigning attempts to change likely voting behavior by changing the opinions of potential voters through persuasion and organization. Voter suppression instead attempts to reduce the number of voters who might vote against the candidate or proposition advocated by the suppressors.

How thickheaded can one person be? Cant wait to hear the spin fro RAF and the rest of the Right Wing Tea Party fanatics on this one. Please help us redefine what suppression is, so it fits your narrative, how ignorant can you be?

RetiredAirForce
Nov 24, 2012 at 11:18 p.m.
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woody echos rush and fox becuase she reads about it on msnbiasc, huff post, daily kos, and tpm.

woody
Nov 24, 2012 at 9:20 p.m.
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Yeah, wislady and raf get their facts from Rush and Trump......heh heh

theone
Nov 24, 2012 at 9:19 p.m.
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wislady wrote..." Slimy Sly "

Is this the same wislady who so often decries name calling?

Oh, yes.

The one and only hypocritical right wing nut.

RetiredAirForce
Nov 24, 2012 at 8:28 p.m.
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Funny how those people listing stats against the idea of voter ID never list the big zero number; conviction number for a federal crime of suppression. These same people freely admit there are many convicted for the crimes of voter and registration fraud, yet play it off as a low percentage. Even a single conviction nation wide for voter or registration fraud is 100% more than a nonexistent conviction for voter suppression because of ID.

poorrichard
Nov 24, 2012 at 8 p.m.
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fear-I agree about a weekend day to vote but tell me what you consider an eligible voter.

fearandrhetoric4dummies
Nov 24, 2012 at 6:53 p.m.
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Compromise on voting rights? Why? Voter ID addresses a NON-existant problem. its a waste of time and money. Less than .000004% of the Vote in Ohio in the 2008 election were deemed voter fraud, yet Republicans still continue to attck this issue with spending? An issue that is virtually non-existant? Ill give you Voter ID if its that important, but lets raise the stakes. Make Voting day a national holiday,ON A WEEKEND, so we can make it our goal to get 100% of eligible voters to the polls. What I find so troubling is that so many people try to get less folks to cast ballots because they dont agree with them? Eliminating same day registration is an attempt to suppress votes, period, nothing more.
I find it so entertaining how republicans are so "pro-freedom" but want to try and make it more difficult for people to excersis their rights!! 1 person , 1 vote, YES!! But everyone should vote. Anyone who doesnt want the other side to vote because they might think the other side isnt educated are the very ones that are almost ALWAYS voting outside their own interests.
Funniest point on this board is wislady criticizing other people's sources. Pott meet kettle?

Maynard
Nov 24, 2012 at 6:34 p.m.
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I agree with cabiner's post at 7:07 am and 916WI post at 9:23 a.m. Same day registration ONLY if voter photo ID is followed. I have two places (unable to sell one in Illinois without giving it away so didn't). I have utility bills for the place up north with an up north address dating back many months. I could have easily registered and voted in Wisconsin this year. Would not have had to show ID which would have been an Illinois driver liscense. I cast an absentee ballot for Illinois and did not vote in Wisconsin as it is illegal and unethical. Sure that did not stop some others. It was tempting just to show how easy it would be to do it.

wislady
Nov 24, 2012 at 5:31 p.m.
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I was addressing the hateful Sly "pink slip"....not the other 7 people. So they changed their format, changing times call for changes.

As far as your "source", most of us don't read the liberal blogs for the news. Their headline, "Thanksgiving Media Massacre", is a bit melodramatic.

yada
Nov 24, 2012 at 3:54 p.m.
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You are so intelligent & patriotic Wislady in your red, white & blue outfit--> BUT you must have left your reading glasses in the bathroom since Thankgiving. WTDY --> Gave the pink slip to the entire news room staff and Sly. I would imagine that would make you very happy that they were all let go during the holidays.

http://dane101.com/current/2012/11/21/th...

yada
Nov 24, 2012 at 3:46 p.m.
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"Attorney Lester Pines Racks Up IMPRESSIVE WINS AGAINST GOP AGENDA"

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/cr...

Third_Eye
Nov 24, 2012 at 3:04 p.m.
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Governor Walker didn't go to California to announce his agenda. He spoke at an event and was subsequently asked a question, which he answered. It seems that your 2nd through 6th paragraphs are, as someone pointed out earlier, not contributing to civil discourse.
As far as same day registration. I do agree that the motor votor law is worse, however I have always been opposed to the whole concept.
"Quote Political parties, in particular Democrats, were hoping that the NVRA would reduce racial disparities and close the electoral gap by including minorities, low income earners and individuals reluctant to vote" END Quote.
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vo...

wislady
Nov 24, 2012 at 2:23 p.m.
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I didn't realize that commenting on each link was a requirement for participation. We are not in a classroom doing an assignment.
Most conservatives had already seen the Reagan links, no comment necessary.

5 left leaning links, 2 conservative links...fair and balanced (in the liberals mind).

woody
Nov 24, 2012 at 1:24 p.m.
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It seems Walker spends more time outside the state of WI than inside. Maybe because he works for OUTSIDE interests.

poobah
Nov 24, 2012 at 1:15 p.m.
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John, thank you including such a wide diversity of links in your well-researched and informative blog entry. I agree with your argument that Wisconsin should retain same day voter registration.

For those of you posting disingenuous comments about one link that John has provided, I would ask, "Why you have failed to comment on the other six links he provided?" John provided the following diverse, seven links:

Two links to the Wisconsin State Journal.

One link to Wikipedia.

Two links to YouTube videos posted by the Reagan Foundation.

One link to the Journal Sentinel.

One link to the Daily Kos.

Where are the comments about the two links to the videos posted by The Reagan Foundation, the two links to the Wisconsin State Journal, the links to the Journal Sentinel and Wikipedia?

wislady
Nov 24, 2012 at 12:44 p.m.
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Maybe yada is upset because Slimy Sly got the "pink slip". Thank goodness the station had the sense to clean up the airwaves.

wislady
Nov 24, 2012 at 12:16 p.m.
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yada
you don't even make sense. What is The Forum, Janesville? A secret club?

oldtimer
Nov 24, 2012 at 11:54 a.m.
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Yada is that your mission In life just to put other people down? You must be a hard one to live with.

poorrichard
Nov 24, 2012 at 11:50 a.m.
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yada just for you.
"Life is hard, it's harder if you're stupid."
John Wayne
You must have a very hard life.

donnaw
Nov 24, 2012 at 11:43 a.m.
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yada..do you ever have an original thought of your own? Just keep putting other posters down for their opinions. Shows your level of maturity.

poorrichard
Nov 24, 2012 at 11:36 a.m.
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JE-Get a GRIP-You sound like you're on the verge of a total MELTDOWN.
916WI-That's a great IDEA! A good compromise for BOTH sides. WHAT do you DEMOCRATS think?

yada
Nov 24, 2012 at 10:59 a.m.
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WISLADY IS BRILLIANT! You continue to raise so many good points. Wow - The Forum, Janesville, Wisconsin, and all of America are taking notice of you. I am really impressed to know 30 states have Re-fib-lican Governors - thank you so much because you are providing America with a true Patriotic view. I salute you as I write this because you are so amazing .. double wow! Could we also have more John Wayne Quotes? Pretty please...

"Koch Brothers Exposed"

http://www.kochbrothersexposed.com/

John Wayne Quote of the Day - A special toast to the Queen of the Forum, our special lady.

"Get off your horse and drink your milk"

non_grata
Nov 24, 2012 at 10:55 a.m.
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It should be required for everyone to vote.

sleeponit
Nov 24, 2012 at 10:22 a.m.
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"Carabiner", I have registered the same day as voting and showed my drivers license as proof of who I am. I took additional items like a utility bill, etc. with me but don't remember if I had to show more than one item.

proartist
Nov 24, 2012 at 10:10 a.m.
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The fact that Walker would blame over-burdened poll workers for ending same day registration is a huge insult to poll-workers everywhere. Rather than a burden, it's a pleasure!

thayer175
Nov 24, 2012 at 9:45 a.m.
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Why do people want to make it so hard to vote in this country? There is very little voter fraud, and with so many people living in the US today, I say make it easier and quicker for people to vote. My hat is off to all those voters who stood in line for hours, and hours on end to vote! (oh yeah, the less people who vote, the easier it is for the Republicans/Tea Party to win....maybe.)

wislady
Nov 24, 2012 at 9:27 a.m.
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916, I agree.

If the laws were followed (checking the registrations), and we had Voter ID, we could still have same day registration.

However, the GAB turns a blind eye to the fraud that is reported to them, and they fail to investigate.

Every state should also purge the dead and illegal people off of the poll books. No illegal should be given a drivers license, UNLESS it is clearly marked "NOT FOR VOTING PURPOSES".

916WI
Nov 24, 2012 at 9:27 a.m.
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Woods......are you seriously saying that the democratic voters are too stupid or lazy to get a free ID or to register months before an election? I don't know about you, but I would like to give the electorate of our state a little more credit than you seem to.....

wislady
Nov 24, 2012 at 9:24 a.m.
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"losing too much" ????

In case your forgot, Governor Walker won TWICE, and the Wisconsin government is in Republican control.

Also, 30 states now have Republican governors!

916WI
Nov 24, 2012 at 9:23 a.m.
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I would have no issue with retaining same day registeration provided that the state implements the voter ID legislation.....that seems like it would be a great compromise.....no??
BTW John......I loved the tone of your latest rant against walker and the conservative republicans. I suppose you vilifying every move that walker makes is your idea of promoting tolerance and goodwill within our state government that you were preaching about in your previous writing.......

Badgerlvr
Nov 24, 2012 at 9:22 a.m.
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Whenever I want to see what the Tea Party thinks, all I have to do is read the reader comments (a.k.a. Fox News) from Eyster's blog.

woody
Nov 24, 2012 at 9:21 a.m.
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The reflublicans want to change the system to limit voters because they are losing too much. Instead, they should change their policies to get votes.

NoVertical
Nov 24, 2012 at 8:57 a.m.
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John, thank you for finally admitting where you get your material from (The Daily Kos?). Wow, I guess your hoping for a stint on MSNBC. What do you think?

wislady
Nov 24, 2012 at 7:49 a.m.
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(Walker 1,331,076- Barrett 1,158,337)
The first Governor in history to win a RECALL.

1,400 clerks do not make the decisions for 1,331,076 voters.

The "lesson" that was learned from the recall, was that Walker is doing what the 52% of the voters elected him to do.

Here is an interesting article....

At Least 37 States Will Be Under Single-Party Control In 2013 — A 60-Year High

"Power will be split in, at most, 12 capitals — the fewest, said Tim Storey of the National Conference of State Legislatures, since 1952."

http://www.mediaite.com/online/at-least-...

oldvet
Nov 24, 2012 at 7:27 a.m.
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No. EyesteR cAps, Wisconsin should NOT retain same day registration.

carabiner
Nov 24, 2012 at 7:07 a.m.
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I think we should dispose of same day registration UNLESS it requires a photo ID. I also think that in order to VOTE, a photo ID should be required. I have to have one to travel via air, cash a check, rent a car or tool, now there is discussion I may need one to use my extended bus pass in Madison due to fraud. We worry about FRAUD on a BUS but not when we VOTE??

RetiredAirForce
Nov 24, 2012 at 5:59 a.m.
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A link to the Daily Kos site John? Any serious discussion on this topic is lost if that is where you look for your information and inspiration ON Walker and what you want for ALL the voters who disagree with you and the kos.

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