For those that have not read the entire case here are two references. It seems Poobah is good at quoting sections that "support” his argument but he fails to bring anything up from that same case that does not support him. Once again the same bait and switch tactics used by anyone that does not have a good argument but relies on half arguments to make a point
http://www.lawnix.com/cases/dc-heller.ht...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of...

wonders said, I know that decision well, but you need to read and quote the ENTIRE decision."

Only rhat portion of the decision which I quoted was required to support my argument. If you know the decision "well," why would anyone need to read and quote the entire thing for you? And if you didn't know the decision, citing it provides you with the opportunity to read it. Citing a reference is done for many reasons, one of which is brevity...particularly when comments are limited in length.

poobah, I know that decision well, but you need to read and quote the ENTIRE decision and not pick only the parts that support your point of view. What I was trying to do was show the difference between an auto and semi-auto gun. The press seems to have them all as the same and it has made many think they are one and the same.
As someone mentioned in another post about this same general topic, change the number 1 and 2 in the amendments so we are talking about the first amendment and see what happens.
There is a great article in the gazette on line; I think it hits all of the points in a very well thought out article.
http://gazettextra.com/news/2012/dec/21/...

Prof Eyster
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Almost every rifle or handgun sold in the United States can be classified as Semi-Automatic!
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If you are ready to deal with the concequences of your government going house to house to confiscate the 90% of the citizen's firearms which are semi-automatic... Keep up the good work!..... I promise they will be unwilling.
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Automatic weapons are already regulated.
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Plan B?
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I apologize for the flip response... But the enormity of your desire really needs a light shined on it.

Yep that is the same court that upheld 2nd ammendment gun rights to include semi-automatic handguns...you know the ones that John has declared he wants BANNED. Also declared mandated trigger locks were also against the 2nd ammendment.

But hey that doesn't fit the left fringe current talking points so why mention it...

wonders, if anything has gone over anyone's head, it's the well established fact that constitutional rights are not without certain limits. One only need read Justice Scalia's opinion when writing for the Court in D.C. v. Heller to understand this fact as it applies to gun ownership.

Since a few on here do not know that a fully automatic weapon can be had by all, even as it was pointed out to tem, let’s say they are legal. We want to ban them all. Let’s take that and change the constitution so they are banned as a weapon. THEN let’s ban certain words form being said in public, let’s restrict protesting that have sign on sticks. The sticks could be used to poke out and eye and we can’t have that. THEN let’s ban other rights that we have fought over 200 years to keep.

I am sure much of this post went right over the heads of many, but that is life

If we start with one area where does it stop?

lovemycountry, if you really loved your country you would know the difference between the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

I've got an idea that's sure to be a big hit. We know what killed those children, guns. We also know what operates the guns, triggers. Therefore, since guns kill, and triggers operate guns, then triggers are the problem. We could ban triggers. But triggers are easy to hide and besides they don't operate themselves, trigger fingers do. The solution then is as obvious as the fingers on your hands. Ban trigger fingers. We should require all Americans, citizens or not, to report to the Department of finger control for immediate removal of those deadly fingers. To object to the consideration of and then implementation of this wise policy is an act of immorality most foul for which said objectors will be subject to immediate unlimited and merciless denigration which they richly deserve and need never end.

And the best part is, you can't easily hide your trigger finger! We can tell just by looking at you whether you've complied with the law or not. You can't say that about guns!

Oooh looks like i hit a sore spot. I wonder if the media is being told not to mention any scandal in these shootings? Why no mention of the father of both shooters (theater in CO and this one) are both to testify in the Libor scandal? And perfect timing for the UN arms treaty bs. Perfect for their fight against guns.

Enforce the gun laws already out there. Enforce the drunk driving laws already out there. Imprison those that violate the gun laws. Take away the vehicles for those with multiple OWI offenses that are driving after liscense revocation. Do not just keep passing feel good laws. Keep Singer Mental Health facility in Rockford open. Put back the mental health floor at Rock Haven. Teach children from birth on at home and in school a set of guidelines to live by and enforce them. Do not allow excessive violence from Hollywood shows or in video games. There are limits on "free speech". You are not allowed to yell "fire" in a public theater. We put people in jail for years for viewing child pornography on their computers for fear that they may become sex predators. Yet we allow maximum violence in film and in video games with the expectation that a rating system is going to stop children or mentally ill adults from watching it. What the heck? I wish the media including J.E. would get off the gun ban wagon and start pushing to some real solutions to fixing the root causes of the violence and the lack of respect for human life in our society. I do not have a problem with reducing magazine sizes and it may reduce the body count but not the occurances until we address the real root causes. IMHO

Poohboy......that was a seriously stupid analogy....not surprising though.
Firearms are regulated. What additional regulations should have been imposed that would have prevented any of these shootings?

ImJustSayin - That second video is awesome!! Looks like so much fun.

"One failed attempt at a shoe bomb and we all take off our shoes at the airport. Thirty one school shootings since Columbine and no change in our regulations of guns." - John Oliver

Eyester, with his image superimposed on The Declaration of Independence, asking to have another freedom taken away. This time with a gun ban. He, no doubt, doesn't see the irony.

Where is the mourning for the loss of our troops that die? ?? Not a thing is ever mentioned, and if so its one little article and then forgot the next day... Enough with the Connecticut shooting....its sad now people are just keeping it going to to get attention, you got people making songs about it and all sorts of things... find another way to get in the spotlight.
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And people..... Automatic weapons are not allowed in society, the few than are have to have permits that are so tight and they are not the prob. Learn the different between semi-auto and full-auto. And getting rid of semi-autos...it would be easier to end oxygen or cure world peace... seriously....aint gonna happen.

Again you fail eyester and miss the point! While there is nothing wrong with a moment of silence for the victims, screaming for gun bans will not bring the dead back nor will it stop criminals from doing something like this again as they could careless about any laws banning guns! Time is well past for putting deterents back into affect such as hard manual labor, chain gangs, and yes the death penalty! lowlifes committing crimes need deterents so they quit thinking if I go to prison it's no big deal I get 3 hots and a cot. Take away all of the TV's, weight rooms, basketball courts ect ect. If they are doing time they are doing hard manual labor without pay! It's well past time to quit coddling prisoners!!!!!!! Time for you and other left wingers to wake up eyster and see what the world for what it is!!!!!!!!
Here's a novel idea how about school districts hiring unemployed vets, arming them and have them protect our children in schools!!!!!!!!!
The Harrold Texas school district is now allowing some of its teachers to carry concealed weapons to protect the student. Now that is another great idea!!!!!!! I wonder how long it will take for you leftist such as yourself eyester to complain about that? I won't bother holding my breath for you to respond to my question as I know that you think that you are above answering questions put to you!

This moment of prayer is a good thing.
I just did, and in honor of all those victims, I will not comment on this political football today.

While the left rushes to put the 'blame' on the gun they are neglecting the many other factors pointed out in a previous post by
Shopierehuh @7:36
"We will fully support and encourage security at places like schools to keep murderous psychopaths away from children and others. We will support better monitoring and institutionalization of those who are mentally ill and violent that are walking amongst us, time bombs waiting to go off."
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The call for more gun control is not letting a crisis go to waste in pursuit of a political agenda. We already have many federal gun laws on the books. What is the wording of the next gun law that is going to tip the scale and prevent these kind of tragedies?

Banning firearms is a favorites project on the agenda of the left. They got severely beat down in the 1996 mid term elections due to the 1994 "assault" weapons and high capacity magazine ban. They got beat down again when in 2004, this bad bill was allowed to sunset, to go away.

Now they are gleefully dancing in the pools of blood of these innocent victims in yet another attempt to place bans on these and other items.
They do not use truthful arguments when promoting their agenda, they would not do well if they were required to be truthful.

Yes, automatic weapons have been banned since the National Firearms act of 1934. There are a limited number for automatic weapons in the hands of collectors, they are sold at times to other collectors. This involves a tax fee, and a very lengthy process, coupled with extreme prices on these items, some of them in excess of $50,000. Talking of further restrictions on these items is nothing more than feel good talk.

The semi-auto sporting rifles that the left likes to target have been a common part of the firearms scene since 1905 or so when Winchester marketed their first rifle in this format. There have been many millions of this TYPE of rifle made since then then by all manufacturers.

We are not going to allow another ban to take place. We will fully support and encourage security at places like schools to keep murderous psychopaths away from children and others. We will support better monitoring and institutionalization of those who are mentally ill and violent that are walking amongst us, time bombs waiting to go off. One of the common traits of these mass murderers is the fact that they were on some type of anti-psychotic medication of some kind or another.

Yes they can, IF they acquire a special permit (I believe it is a class 3) as I stated. http://www.atf.gov/firearms/how-to/

There are much stricter restrictions on these weapons including transfers as they fall under the 1930's era law banning them.

RetiredAirForce - A normal citizen CAN purchase or possess an AUTOMATIC weapon in this country, haven't you seen the YouTube videos showing the kids firing the machine guns? You pay the tax and take home the weapon.
http://youtu.be/eZD66Fraa08
This video will freak people out I'm sure:
http://youtu.be/uCppmoZiXUY

Nobody has explained how these new gun restrictions would have prevented any of the recent shootings. John, would you please explain that to me?
Why isn't the main discussion about why people are doing this in the first place? Also, I think acknowledgment of how violent crimes rates in this country are at levels not seen since the 1970s and continuing to drop .
I'm just sayin'...

If you want an honest debate at least start from an honest position. A normal citizen can not purchase or possess an AUTOMATIC weapon in this country they fall under the national firearms act; obtaining one requires DOJ Dangerous Weapons Permit. http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/ident...

Most hunting guns and hand guns are SEMI-AUTOMATIC. So you want to start your position of debate with banning something already banned and next banning the majority of guns in the nation.

There is a vast distinction between mourning and offering meaningful and honest debate on the subject.