I see- so not only free welfare but now tax free moeny as well and taking up the police time. It only gets worse the more you pick apart the welfare cases.

My guess is the report would say "heart attack induced by....X"
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Reason you see drugs with poverty is because drugs are money... people turn to selling them to make money and then they start using them the more they handle them.

"As poverty increases so does drug use"
I have never understood this. Like somebody said test for drug use or NO welfare! How do you afford drugs etc when you "don't have any money" and are living off of the tax payer?

"Wrong. We have drugs, alcohol included, because people like to escape reality and relieve some stress. Your post would be accurate if you said the reason drugs are illegal is for the money."
Don't forget SUGAR and Caffine, enegry drinks-,over eating- another thing people abuse. They are not outlawing but will now tax you extra.

Just a thought about what is actually reported on the reports. If it is an overdose and it causes a heart attack wouldn't the report say heart attack? or does it say heart attack by overdose?

Okay I guess as long as it says "for tobacco use only" lol. Yep going to fill up my one hitter with some tobacco. The stuff in this gas station had pot leaves on it.
I do think something needs to be done about these people selling- using nasty drugs. I don't think pot is that harmful or nasty. It is true though- you need to be abit smarter and "just say NO" IF you cannot handle the pressure of "your friends" get some NEW ones. They are NOT your friends.

It seems the old Skelly's doesn't care about laws. I thought selling parpanellia(sp) in the open(lol) was illegal. Papers, one hitters_with pot leaf on then). now GLass ware. Hubby is fun asks them. What is this for. The answers he gets are quit amusing.

Agreed, Sigma40

rtabb - Because they are not "deaths" im assuming no one cares and thats why we dont hear about it. I dont understand why we dont acknowledge problems BEFORE its too late instead of after you cant do anything about it (death).
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It all goes back to making people comfortable here in Janesville. We sugar coat everything and lie and hide stuff. If there are several heroin overdoses a day, why hasnt the gazette printed anything about it? .... Because the city dont want them to. It would make the citizens think there is a drug problem.....we dont want people thinking that... even though its the truth.

The numbers are totally misleading. I was recently in the ER for an illness and while making conversation with the nurse we got on the topic on overdoses. She told me that the ER deals with multiple herion overdoses daily.

Sigma and tthompson- You're both right AND wrong. The " cops" do a good job investigating illegal drug sales and have to stay within the framework of the consitution. That's good. It takes time to investigate so while a report might be made, and arrest might not actually occur for several months or more. But... that isn't the problem. Our court system has been slapping the wrists of many heroin and crack dealers for years. They're arrested and practically out on bail before the cops shift ends. Then, if convicted, the dealer is given probation or double secret probation if they happen to already be on probation. It's almost laughable. Dealers know the game. They accept a plea to avoid jail time and get back in business quickly.

I guess from that perspective you are correct, those laws do protect the drug dealers. BUT, they are protecting them as Americans FIRST. What happens if the cops can search/arrest suspected 'drug dealers' without a warrant or probable cause. Are the innocent Americans who get treated like criminals worth it?? Not in this country...

Also, that is the best analogy...I HAVE EVER HEARD:)

'They have laws protecting drug dealers'
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Which ones you ask? Cops need probable cause... chalk one up for the dealer there. Cops need a search warrant... chalk one up for the dealer there. Cops have to go by the rules. These rules protect citizens and our rights, they are the same ones that protect the dealers. I dont do drugs. And if I went to the cops and told them everything I know, which in the past ive told them some things only because im friends/family with them. They told me they already know. But with out cold hard fact and proof they can not do anything. It like having a sealed can of beans on the counter with a missing label. You know, I know and everyone knows they are beans. But the law looks at it is... how do you know? There is no label. They cant legally open it because you dont have any indication that they are beans. unless a bean leaks out of the container and is seen by the law, all hands are tied. You could try to get a warrant, but on what grounds? did the can of beans do anything wrong? its just sitting there. You cant legally search it with out probable cause... and hear-say is not that. ha... maybe bad example but its protected by the laws that protect us all.

sigma: I'm well aware of the problem this community and all communities have with hard(killer) drugs. This is why I consider you delusional on the topic...

'They have laws protecting drug dealers'

Which ones??

'And without drugs we'd have considerable less crime'

This actually makes sense, but not for the reason you think.

'A cocaine dealer just bought and opened a bar in town here'

Do you do coke, or are you assuming?? I'm confident if you have PROOF the cops will in fact care.

'Marijuana is legal in california, not another country...OUR OWN. Why?'

Wrong. It's medicine in CA. OR an WA both just legalized it, but those laws aren't in effect yet.

'Thats why we have drugs...money.'

Wrong. We have drugs, alcohol included, because people like to escape reality and relieve some stress. Your post would be accurate if you said the reason drugs are illegal is for the money.

'The ones I do see arrested are usually extremely thug looking and I think the cops target these type....they have a lot of marijuana. Its the clean cut people you wouldnt expect that have all the hardcore drugs'

This illustrates my point, thank you.

'They are never bothered, its not like their customers would tell on them.'

Actually, the only way they usually get busted is from customers narcing on them.

'You are an example of why the drug problem is so big.... you think that if you pretend its not there, it isnt'

De.Lus.Ion.Al.

tthompson - People that are blind to reality are why we have the problems we do and how they grow out of hand. Im not delusional at all. You just choose to only hear what you want to hear. You are an example of why the drug problem is so big.... you think that if you pretend its not there, it isnt. Just like the gangs in janesville. One week the gazette runs an article about the JPD saying there is no gang activity around here and the next week they are recieving state aid for a gang task force. 34 deaths and the only article i see on here is in a blog? Why not a front page article in huge letters saying "34 dead in Janesvilles Heroin epidemic". No... you wont see that, we dont want to alarm people and give them the impression there is a drug problem around here.... we'll just pretend it dont exist.

You can literally go into any bar anywhere in the United States of America and witness drug sales. Mostly because ALCOHOL IS A DRUG. Unfortunately it kills more than all other drugs combined and also unfortunate that no one seems to care.

While sigma is a bit brash, I must defend his (her) opinion on this one. I have personally witnessed drug sales and use in several janesville bars. There are a couple where this use is done right in the open.

Sigma: You are seriously delusional on the topic, no offense.

I dont understand why they dont have undercover cops out and about. In bars, actually decent ones, I overhear conversations about people buying/doing drugs. I think you can go into any bar in this town and chill there for an hour and you could buy what ever you wanted for drugs... its pretty much an open market and uncontrolled market. The ones I do see arrested are usually extremely thug looking and I think the cops target these type....they have a lot of marijuana. Its the clean cut people you wouldnt expect that have all the hardcore drugs. They are never bothered, its not like their customers would tell on them.

I'm sorry I missed the graph. How many overdoses were related to consuming THC??

"the war on drugs is funded by the alcohol and tobacco commission. It's not what drugs you're on they're concerned about, so much as who's.".....Todd Snider
It slays me that they will let "doctors" shell out pill after pill to change who we are, and then try to curtail it in the free market. It's all about the buck folks, don't let em tell you any different.

OneOfTheHaves - Your comment - "Do you have any idea how much money is wasted trying to extinguish the drug problem? "
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Thats why we have drugs...money. Its probably in the billions what we tax payers have spent. Lots of govt people making a living off of it. Govt makes millions off of seizures. Drugs are a big business...BIG. For the govt and the drug dealers.

Sigma40 is correct, and there NEVER was a "war" on drugs...Nothing even resembling one.
I don't pretend to know any more about it but I DO know that much because it is quite obvious to anyone who does a little thinking.

Sigma40 is correct on all counts, sorry to have to tell you all. Few people realize how badly Janesville was ravaged by crack a few years ago and how widespread the heroin problem is now. I personally reported serious drug-dealing activities to the JPD on multiple occasions and was ignored. Something is definitely suspicious regarding how our government deals with cocaine and heroin.

At the present time I am working with an eight year old boy who was born to a mom who was drunk throughout her pregnancy. Little Cody cannot read and will never be able to. He will be supported by us for the rest of his life, as will his offspring. His parents are, his grandparents are and his great grandparents with whom he live are all supported by the state. They all live in a dry county in Arkansas. Even if folks think it is useless to tell kids that drugs are bad for you, I will continue to. We will always have a drug and alcohol problem but we should never stop thinking that we can stop it. Sad to see what is happening in good old Rock County. If Janesville thinks it is ok to continue to send the message to little kids that drinking at the ball park is ok and drinking in the parks is ok and drugs are just a part of life, Janesville and Rock County will increase the problems caused by drugs. As poverty increases so does drug use. It would be nice if there was a simple answer. In the mean time there will be those who cry when they see little kids like Cody.

Sigma - What in the world are you even talking about? Do you have any idea how much money is wasted trying to extinguish the drug problem? It's not as if nobody is trying to rid our country of drugs, it's the fact that it is an impossible task! If you want to talk about saving money, then talk about legalizing, regulating, and taxing drugs LONG before you talk about using our military to wage even more useless foreign wars against drug dealers worldwide.

Also, a drug dealer that you and everybody else "knows" as a drug dealer in Janesville is not the one that would bring the whole operation down anyway, but you go ahead and keep believing you're smarter than everybody else.

Obviously you are like he rest of America, blind to the legal side of drugs. There is no sign on the front window that says "buy illegal drugs here". And if everyone "knows", that is not enough to arrest anyone, not even enough to get a search warrant. Cops need a big sign waving in front of the place basically. Obviously drugs are not a threat or a concern because our rights are more important than people dropping dead.
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An issue we have with young people using drugs is that we fill kids with nothing but lies while growing up. Typical 5-10 yr old is told never to touch booze its bad for you, cigarettes are bad for you, it will all kill you, drugs are bad for you...etc. But mom, dad, teachers, police, they all smoke and drink.... So its the assumption that those things being bad and illegal is just a big joke and not to be taken seriously. So drugs must fall into that catagory also. Right? Drugs are bad when you are 10, but everyone knows when you turn 16 they are cool. Just like cigs, I see so many teens smoking its crazy. You cant have one wrong be ok to turn to a right and expect the others not to follow. Also what drugs do is all mislead, Why is THC illegal? The debate on that goes on forever. Marijuana is legal in california, not another country...OUR OWN. Why? If its so bad? Heroin is obviously a bit more harsh than THC..."or is it" says the teen., its in the same catagory so you'll have people reading all this stuff that marijuana is good and is a medicine and its not bad and so one... well, heroin is in the same legal catagory so it must not be that bad then either. I personally have never done either...so I personally dont know. Its all whether I should trust the govt on this one....Should I? HA! Why? The govt lies about EVERYTHING!.. so why trust them on this?
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How can our country be concerned about this? The media is the only ones claiming any concern. We have all the power in the world (military) we just choose to not engage in the problem....or so called problem. because it isnt a concern and exinguishing the problem would violate peoples rights. So we'll let them drop dead instead and just sit around and complain about it.

Sigma40, overdose deaths are recorded by the coroner and reported to the state, but I'm sure there's a big conspiracy to change all those to "17 year old dead of apparent heart attack on the grassy knoll".
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If you have credible information about a drug dealer taking over a liquor license, I assume that you have forwarded this important material to the Alcohol Licensing Advisory Commission. If you haven't I suppose you're just burping the alphabet as usual.

Doesnt alarm me, anyone doing it has the choice. If they want to do themselves in let them.
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Also, why can the law pinpoint a lone person looking at a naked picture on the internet and bust them....yet we cant catch drug dealers? I am quite sure that the govt/state wants drugs out there. They have laws protecting drug dealers. And without drugs we'd have considerable less crime, that would mean less money coming in and the DEA would not be needed, lots of cops would not be needed.... you know how much money the govt would be out of if drugs disappeared?
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FYI- Heroin is not a new problem.... the cops have just kept it hush hush. I know you can get cocaine in pretty much any bar in janesville... without even knowing anyone. A cocaine dealer just bought and opened a bar in town here.... cops dont care...or if they did their hands are tied in what they can actually do.

The demographics of the typical heroin user are much different today than 20 or 30 years ago. Today a typical user might very easily be a 17 year old White high school girl. This is much less acceptable to mainstream America than it being, for instance a Black man or woman from the Ghetto, or a White trash 25 year old male from the wrong side of the tracks.

These "non-traditional" heroin users, these young Whites pick up the habit after their source of Mom's or Grandma's oxycodone or similar pain med dries up for whatever reason. Usually because they get caught stealing from the family medicine cabinet. A very ready source of heroin from Mexico or the Mid-East, say Afghanistan, comes as an easily available alternative to the medicine cabinet drugs. One problem that arises is that the smack comes in varying potencies, one day a good high, the next day, a different batch and an overdose takes place because of a much more potent batch.

Well heck all mighty, you can't have the valedictorian dying from a heroin overdose now can we? So it is a big crisis now when middle America gets a taste of the problems.

And the problem is...what? Heroin is deadly and illegal. If one chooses do dangerous things, then one takes chances with one's health and well-being, and very often one's life, period.

We (and when I say "we," of course, I mean "you") need to QUIT somehow implying that there's some way that society can make heroin "safer" to those who are foolish enough to try it in the first place. Heroin is a downward spiral, and that's all it will ever be. Besides, "Who needs life when you have heroin?" (Trainspotting)

And, honestly, society (read "t-a-x-p-a-y-e-r-s") certainly doesn't owe anyone a lifetime of "methadone madness" in compensation for their initial and oft exponentially repeated bad decisions and poor coping mechanisms! But then the same goes for "unwanted" (and unaffordable) babies ("Where did THAT come from?"), AIDS, a lifetime of dysfunctional and abusive relationships, diseases of obesity and lethargy, and just about any other choice-related outcomes out there!

Cowboy-up, kids.

While doing a search I found this on PubMed Health, and it's just what I was looking for:
"Some community overdose prevention programs provide emergency opiate overdose education and a take-home supply of naloxone for people who may abuse opiate medications and their family members, friends, or caregivers to use in case of an opiate overdose. "
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth...