Bolivia is a little more to the southeast.

110 kids 10 and under die each year from getting backed over by a vehicle. 17,000 more are injured. Why is the media ignoring this and not on a huge rampage to make it safer?

http://autos.yahoo.com/news/delays-litte...

RAF, what?!

The answer is shut down the media. No reason to make villains famous. This fame is what will drive the next lunatic. Everyone knows the name "Lanza"... I couldnt tell you one victim name. Same the all the other killers, everyone knows the killers, no one knows the victims. So if someone wants to go out in a blaze of glory and fame... they can count on the media to do them in. Why isnt the police officer that was shot and killed in Wauwatosa in national headlines? The killer is still out there....Yet we dwell on something thats done and over with.

"How do we prevent the next Newtown?"

Greg, the answer is east. A country full of people with morales and respect for human life. The hard part is making this happen.

Perhaps a metal detector at each entrance like they have at couthouses would be a good deterant. Armed guards are a bit too much. I've been a hunter all my life, and there's no reason to have a magazine that holds 30 shell. If I can't hit what I’m aiming at with my Remington 12 ga 3 shell with plug 5 without (peasant, dove, duck and your occasional beer can) or my Browning .30-06 4+1 magazine (deer, coyotes, etc) and needed something that fires 40 to 60 RPM (rounds per minute) then I need to take up golf and forget about it.

;-)

Yes.

Sigma, what are you hunting?
Swiss cheese?

Lanza Killed Mom Because She Was Having Him Committed

Then he Killed what she loved .

Making New Laws wont Stop Killing , At Least it Hasn't Yet .

http://thebrennerbrief.com/2012/12/18/la...

Do you think if they limit the amount of gasoline a car can hold to a lower amount it will prevent speeding or any other traffic violations?

Woody - That is my point exactly.. if you have less ammo you need to aim. If you have a ton of ammo you can afford to spray away carelessly... If someone wants to kill a lot of people the capacity of the magazine is irrelevant. ...You can just type in the cheat codes and get endless ammo... it works on video games...lol.

sigma..."you'd know that reloading magazines sucks"
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Funny, I guess I must be a better shot because I don't need a bunch of ammo to hit my target. I even have some single shot and bolt action rifles that are real tack drivers. But then, those type weapons wouldn't be as fun for you in your video games.

Woody - If they were concerned about "killing power and weight".... how does weight matter? That is a disadvantage. And like i stated, one can have a 100 rd drum, or a belt of vest holding several magazines. It takes 2 seconds to swap out magazines...time which when shooing isnt really going to matter. Why dont the cops and troops use 100 rd drums? Because if you run out, 2 seconds is nothing. Making people swap magazines and lose 2 seconds instead of using a drum isnt going to help anything at all. If you've ever been shooting you'd know that reloading magazines sucks. So drums are fun and last longer. But if someone was going on a killing spree I doubt they would be complaining about loading magazines.

Good afternoon.
Where are you living?

It seems like Woody is just a cranky old coot not intersted in facts only emotions. Theres just no debating a panic driven statist who uses emotion and feelings instead of the facts at hand. Well Woody as an american you have that right so Merry Christmas to you and yours and to all a good night.

"What difference does it make if you have a 100 rd drum or 10 rd one?"
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Killing power and weight. A squirrel hunter doesn't want to have the weight of 90 extra rounds while hunting. A wacko intended on killing as many people as they can needs the killing power of a 100rd drum.

sigma...i wonder if you have ever shot any weapons other than in a video game? In the real world, real people get hurt by real weapons. Do you really think the gun lobbyists care about the common people?

What difference does it make if you have a 100 rd drum or 10 rd one? I would think the 100 rd drum would make the rifle more cumbersome, a 10 rd mag would be easier to whip around and hit fast moving targets.

"how many times guns are used in self defense every year"
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OHHH...That must be when a wacko needs his 100 round drums and 6000 rounds of ammo....SOOO...it's not just for squirrels.

Ted Kennedys car has killed more people than my guns.

Read the Chicago Tribune everyday and see just how effective gun bans are.

Woody maybe you should look up how many times guns are used in self defense every year. Or how many crimes are stopped by armed citizens every year. Clearly its to dangerous for you to live in this country of armed wackos maybe you should try Canada Eh?

Woody - "The real threat is gun toting citizens if you take the time to watch the news...."
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The news does not look after the best interests of our country, they are there strictly for ratings and sponsor money. They dramatize stuff and purposely make stuff sound scary so that you will be hooked into watching them. They usually leave out a lot of supporting facts so that you will be conned into leaning one direction...which ever direction that news office is leaning.
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Why do people need 100 round drums? Why does one need more than one golf ball or golf club? Sport shooting is just as popular as any other sport. It sucks having to swap magazines after 10 shots, but I know that if i can do it fast and continue firing, a criminal with a 10 rd mag is going to just as effective as one one with a 100 round drum. Just have to carry more mags. Even if you ban them you will not eliminate them, they are fun for sport shooting and will always remain. If they ban them now (2013) then they can still legally be used on a pre-2013 gun. You just cant put them on 2013 guns and newer.... that is how the 1994 ban was. You couldnt get guns with more than 10 rds, but you could buy a gun made before the ban and use any mag you wanted....lol. So dumb and ineffective.
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Also.....if I paint my SUV olive drab green, would it then be considered an assault vehicle? What about people that wear camo and army colored clothing? Are they assault people? What makes an AR15 an assault rifle???

Was the shooter protecting his burning house from those CRAZY firemen?????
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TOTAL WACKOS>>>!!!!!

Wackos and guns...GO NRA!!! good grief...
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another wacko with gun kills 2 firemen trying to put fire out...read
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/25/nyregi...

SigmundFraud and Sigma40 need to go to Washington and set Obummer and the rest of the liars straight! Well said folks.

Funny how feeling passionately about ones nation and god given rights some how means they need medication, but you know what they say when you cant win the argument just start throwing out the insults.

Gary its not cool to refer to yourself in the third person.

I think that someone may be skipping their medication.

Dont forget charles whitman killed alot of people with a bolt action"Deer" rifle so those will also need to be banned. Fertilizer and diesel will need elimination as well and then we can start the "National Box Cutter Registery" so the koolaide drinkers can feel safe.

Once again the 2nd amend. is NOT about hunting but you want to live with blinders on. So what can we have oh wise one? Can we own a 6 shooter? Would that be ok? Or just a break action rifle, one per family and you can purchase one box of ammo per year? For hunting of course cause thats right what it says in the second amendment, right next to musket.

@woody- Im so glad your totally trusting of the Government and willing to take away the only tool for defense that give woman and the elderly a way to protect themselves from violent criminals. I would rather you and your gov loving friends just leave the constitution alone and not turn our country into a sess pool of crime like Europe. Im sure you'll be applauding Obama when he signs the U.N. small arms treaty that will give the U.N. authority over U.S. citizens in the U.S. and thereby eliminate our constitutional rights, finally creating the one world government your ilk dream of. Then we can start flying the U.N. flag with our flag and soon the U.N. flag will be the highest on the poll. Stop looking at the moment and look down the road at whats being done to our country because of knee jerk reactions to crimes committed by madmen.

I did NOT say disarm. Do you really think people need a AR15 with a 100 round drum like the shooter at the CO theater, or what about the ar15 that killed 20 first graders? I have shot assult rifles and a legal fully auto 9mm uzi. They are NOT hunting guns. I have hunting guns that I use for HUNTING, but a AR15 is a worthless HUNTING gun. It IS a gun for killing PEOPLE and that is why killers and swat teams use them.

There are so many people in this world with mental problems and only the smallest percent of these are capable of committing these crimes so it would be impossible to treat mental illness to solve the problem.

Protect the school environment by changing entrance doors to prevent unauthorized access. Add security personnel sufficiently armed to nutralize the threat. Finance the increased costs by taxing the sale of guns, ammunition, hunting license, school taxes(property) etc

Your right woody lets all just become victims so you can feel better. Please explain how disarming citizens in Chicago and D.C. has eliminated gun crimes in those areas.

Using a simile that doesn't make sense is like attempting to make a point by not making that point.

Blaming the NRA for gun violence is like blaming tornadoes on the National Weather Service.

Maynard: exactly. How many gun control laws were broken last Friday? How many of those were enforced? Even ALLOWED to be enforced? ZERO! When officers make arrests, the media often makes the arrest out to be unnecessary force, and the naive will buy into it. Many judges even have such disdain for officers and find (often very lame) excuses for setting light sentences or probation. That's just fine with much of the public...the same ones who are then stupid enough to say "how could something like this happen"?

Enforce the laws that are already on the books. If that means armed guards, so be it. We can protect our money with armed guards, why not our children?

Lack of armed guards = zero possibility of enforcement of any laws existing or future.

Can somebody please tell me how in the hell, if you won't allow existing laws to be enforced, can you expect to enforce any future laws?

"rise up against our government should it ever become tyrannical"
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The real threat is gun toting citizens if you take the time to watch the news....

Scary how ignorant our society has become and how willing some are to burn the constitution for the empty promise of safety given by men who lie for a living.

Great idea! You know Germany lived in peace under Adolf Hitler for several years. Oh but wait that could never happen again right? Of course not. Surely now a days in our uber peaceful and enlightened state we could never be betrayed by a politician or lead astray and convinced to things as a society we would otherwise disapprove of.

Perhaps all we need is one giant war to end all wars between the US government and the NRA. Send a few drones to take out NRA headquarters, then have all the gun nuts declare all out war on the US government. Let the two forces of evil fight to the bloody death, while all the normal people of society can then step in after they take each other out, and live in freedom, and peace!

When a private citizen owns an Ar15 its an "assault rifle" when a police officer owns one its a "Patrol rifle" but police can have full auto so theirs actually are assault rifles. Assault rifle means a full auto military grade weapon such as an M4 carbine or an M16 not the semi auto version available to the public. "Assault style rifle"is a term used to scare the uninformed public into giving up more of our rights.

Oh!... I get it now. So because the Police use the AR15 and society has dubbed it an "assault rifle"... thats what makes it scary? If police used a Mini-14 and this shooter had used one... then what? We freak out about "ranch rifles"????

woody - Police show up with assault rifles because The AR15 is versatile, it has a handle and can also have different attachments easily put on it, flashlights, scope, ..etc. There are regular hunting rifles and YES there are semi-auto ones. How does an AR15 differ from a Mini-14 with the only difference is the AR has a handle and a pistol grip.. the Mini-14 isnt an assault rifle, its semi auto and can accommodate high capacity mags. Its not an assault rifle but can assault you just the same as an AR... no difference at all. Except the Mini-14 isnt a pile of junk. Im not an AR15 fan..lol.
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Yesterday there was a story of a woman picked up for a possible 5th OWI. Today there is a story about a man picked up for his 12th OWI and driving with a revoked liscense. We are not allowed to comment on these stories. Why have they not confiscated their cars which were used in a potential felony -- if they had caused injury or death while driving drunk. Why are they not in jail? My remarks on this are here because 1) we are not allowed to comment on those stories and 2) the issue is similar to the lack of enforcement of the current gun laws. The anti-gun crowd likes to point out the thousands of felons that instant background checks identified and they want to expand those checks to gun shows (do not have an issue if can figure out the logistics of how to do it).. But tell me, WHY were not those thousands of felons arrested, tried, convicted, and put in jail. Not only is it illegal for them to possess a firearm, it is illegal for them to try to purchase one. Enforce the laws we have before adding more "feel good" laws to the book of laws not being enforced. And concentrate on mental illness as well as teaching a set of guidelines from birth on by parents and in schools. With consequences for not following the guidelines. IMO

Those who would surrender freedom to gain security will not have,nor do they deserve either freedom or security. B.F. The 2nd amendment is not for hunting,target shooting,or collecting. Its purpose is so that we the people can, if needed, rise up against our government should it ever become tyrannical. Our nation was founded by very intelligent and forward thinking men who knew just what tyranny was and the hardships of enduring life beneath the boot of a tyrant. Our costitution was written by patriots with the blood of tyrants and when we forget this we will soon find ourselves beneath yet another boot. We have become so comfortable in our lives that we easily forget where we came from and how we got here and thats a reciepe for disaster. History has shown time and time again just whats possible for a government to achieve when it controls a disarmed society. Instead of compounding and increasing the problem we actually try something new and try to prevent these situations from happening. There are 20,000 gun laws on the books so how many more do you think will fix the problem? 1? 10? 1000? Dont be taken in by grand standing politicians or uninformed media personalities.

I dont believe in restricting the 1st amendment I do think that if the media didnt release the name of the shooter EVER then one of the big motivaters for these guys(Fame) would disappear. Can you look back to 1999-2000 and tell me if you were so dismissive and suspicious of Bill Clinton when he announced after Columbine his plan to spend $120,000,000 putting armed guards/police in every school?Did you instatly assume that he was in bed(or under the desk) with gun manufacturers? Putting police in schools is only a stupid idea when it comes from the other side of the aisle. Gun bans dont work and its been proven every time its tried so how about some new ideas.

We always Wonder after a shooting what we could have done or what we should do. To make the schools a “gun free zone” sure does not seem to work, just as making them a “drug free zone” has not worked. Many want to ban all guns, or at least high capacity magazines. So how is that working in the areas you can’t have them now? Many of the states have where you can’t own those weapons or what is called a high capacity magazine.
How does not being able to own a gun work in Mexico, a country that has more killings than the US could ever think of. And NO most of those guns do not come from the US , only the registered guns can be tracked so when you read the news dig a little deeper into what they are really saying. Many of the guns in Mexico come from south of that country’s border.
Handguns are used for WAY more than killing. I use mine for shooting at paper targets many times a year. There are entire shooting competitions that revolve around hand gun shooting. It is an Olympic sport, so how about we don’t use that wrong information any more.
I am convinced that most of the issue is because of the liberal politely correct society we live in. Years ago we did not have as much violence as we have today, in part because if you did the crime you did the time. Now we have the ACLU going strong, the liberals are saying “you can’t call him mentally ill; he is now a challenged individual”. “It is not his fault, it was his – insert whatever reason here- and that is why he is that way, and we have to protect that person”.
It is time to see what has happened over the past decades and work to correct those issues, not blame a piece of metal that has never had a bad thought or made a bad move. The tool is not the issue; it is the person that wields that tool.

You would like it if the news didn't cover shootings?
So would the NRA.

I wonder how many, if any, of the school staff members in Newtown, CT, have concealed carry permits, and if any have asked permission to carry concealed at school?

Even if the anti-gun liberals could wave a magic wand and make all the legally owned assault rifles in the country disappear, they wouldn't have any more success in preventing illegal ones from showing up than they have in blocking illegal drugs or their liberal grandparents had in blocking illegal booze during prohibition.

We need to restrict the press from providing so much coverage of these terrible crimes. To those who claim we can have "sensible" gun laws to prevent these tragedies without winding up with the total disarmament of law-abiding citizens, show us how it's done with the 1st Amendement first. Let's just ban the excessive too-easily available Internet, TV and radio coverage first. If that doesn't stop the murderous mentally ill spree killers, we can expand the reasonable restrictions to print media, newspapers, then weekly and monthly periodicals, then books. Anything for the children, right?

The best we can hope for is that he's a put-on.

Sigma...is that why the police showing up at a shooting are all carrying assult rifles? Once again you typed before thinking....sad

I like how NRA's Pierre Le Pew was asked if the NRA would maybe donate money toward a "good guy with a gun" campaign at the schools. He replied the government has plenty of money for that. He's all for protecting the big gun lobby.

Just an interesting coincidence.
Seems to have tickled your fancy.
Feel another rant coming on?

So do the police make their own firearms or do they also contribute money to the evil gun manufacturers? We should just ban ALL guns, after all a dedicated spree shooter could cause carnage with a break action .22 rifle. Then we could all be 100% dependent on the government to protect us like the governments of UK,EU,and Australia have done for their disarmed citizens. Maybe they'll even eventually figure out a way to respond to a 911 call in under 15 minutes and be better able to arrest the person who just robbed and murdered someone,most likely with a baseball bat or kitchen knife since those are the most common murder weapons. BAN ASSAULT BASEBALL BATS! Baseball bats should only be available to trained professional MLB and Minor league players not average people. Clearly you cant use a baseball bat for hunting so they should be banned!!!

Of course because nobody could use the guns they already own because??? Perhaps Mr.Primer we should, in light of the media coverage of the Newtown shooting, purpose some commonsense free speech controls that we can all feel safer having in place to better protect our children from hearing biased propaganda.

What a coincidence that Pierre Le Pew proposes
a program that would require several billion dollars
in the purchase of new weapons from his corporate masters.
You can't fault him for lack of transparency.
I think he may have been a hologram.

woody - there is a difference. The accuracy of someone rapid firing an AR w/ a high capacity clip is probably like 5%. Someone firing a 6 shot revolver or lever action high powered rifle....i'd be more worried, people that use those guns are more likely to aim hit what they are aiming at.

Whats a better use of the state police, writing tickets or guarding our schools? Oh wait thats right the Supreme Court ruled in 2005 the it is NOT the police departments job to protect people, only to enforce laws and investigate crimes. In essense its the police officers job to investigate your murder not prevent it. Yet people are screaming to disarm themselves and essentialy volenteer to become crime statistics in the name of safety? People who target children are cowards, spree shooters are cowards. They all target gun free zones for that very reason,because if confronted by an armed responder(police or citizen)they would surrender or commit suicide not try and shoot it out. This is why they all commit suicide in the end because the are to cowardly to live with what theyve done or the consequences of their actions. Oh and I just read that Connecticut already has an assault weapons ban, guess he wasnt concerned by laws.

The 2nd amendment is so that we the people could fight back against our government if it became tyrannical. How well is a single shot 410 going to do against troops with ACTUAL ASSAULT RIFLES?(not semi auto look alikes available to the public) "When I was a kid we didnt need armed guards in schools." Yeah well guess what when we were kids people didnt crash planes into buildings. Things change and if we dont accept these things and change with them we will continue to have these situations. Guns arent the problem, mental issues are the culprit and a society that glorifies violence. Crime rates in the UK and other disarmed Europien countries are 3 to 4 times higher than the US. I choose to uphold the constitution of the United States and not panic and forefit my rights to protection in the name of safety. Why is it you feel we should pay for birth control and abortions but guarding our children is just unrealistic? Israel actually does have full auto assault weapons all over their country without school shootings and their teachers are armed to protect themselves and their students. Wake up and realize that disarming the good guys will only embolden the bad guys.

I like how the NRA dude on tv this morning said there was no difference of danger between a 6 shot revolver and a semi auto with a 30 round clip or a 100 round drum. Does he really think people are that stupid?

You ban violent video games (even from adults!), ban violence on TV, ban violence in the tabloids....... shall I keep going? This is real rocket science!

Tax ammo and reloading supplies 3 to 5 per round, did someone actually say that? You think the psycopath who is going to kill himself and others cares about money? That is one of the fumbest things i have heard anyone say on gun control..

"Tax ammo and reloading supplies, starting at $3.00 to $5.00 a round, and use the proceeds to employ security at schools."-Retiredmilitary @11:20am

I have a better idea; tax retired military people's pension and benefits. Have them pay 75% tax of their wages and use the proceeds to employ security at schools.

Sigma40, there is hardly any crazy idea in this world that does not, at some point, sit and rest in your head, is there? The Facebook rumor about the LIBOR scandal is completely invented hogwash. There aren't even hearings, let alone any subpoenas for the supposed individuals connected to the shootings.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newt...

mouse...the NRA is a pro gun lobbying group. They mainly work for the gun manufactures because they are the ones writing the big checks. I don't think your ranting is going to change their minds. It is interesting what pops into your head sometimes though.

Holy bat crap!

What are the chances this whole thing happened to drive the UN treaty? What better way to make the US people hate guns? Use kids as victims. I find it hard to believe someone who claimed to be a anarchist would go on a shooting spree targeting 5 year olds... whats the point? They did nothing.... unless you were trying to hit home with everyone by using kids (which totally worked), and then the president jumps on the anti gun thing hard and fast.... and in perfect harmony with the UN treaty stuff going on. Ive been on vacation since wed and probably spent about 6 hours reading and researching on this.... Some of the richest and most powerful people in the world are involved in this Libor scandal... and these shootings, people involved, the targets, the police scanner recordings of 2nd and 3rd shooters then not talked about again... just seems too odd. I like mysteries and this is a good one.

To prevent another tragedy, one has to ask why are the bullied becoming mass murderers ? Liberals have created school rules so that the bullied can't stand up to their tormentors, for fear of expulsion. The bullied now feel powerless. Liberals also push the use of pyschotropic drugs, to medicate our children into classroom conformity. The combination of these two are leading the bullied to seek bombs and firearms to feel powerful, then take vengeance upon their tormentors.

Well said Sigma

The media can start by calling these COWARDS what they are....COWARDS. Even idiots don't care for undesireable press. It might slow some of them down because they are not going out in the blaze of GLORY that they think they are.

Guns are already regulated - just like cars are and just like tobacco products are. All of these killer products need to continue being regulated with ocassional adjustments made to the laws.

We need to find out why these young mostly white men feel they need to kill. Is part of it because they feel frustrated and "unmanly"? I look around and I see young men trying to look macho with shaved heads, tattoos, riding Harleys, calling everyone "man". They want desperately to "fit in". Is this all done to appear "Macho"? Do they feel these outward appearances will make them a real man? When that fails, and they still don't fit in, will killing a lot of people finally make them "Macho"?

faith

baegucb - Do some research about the Libor scandal. The father of the school shooter was to testify in the supreme court about the libor scandal.....and also ironically the father of the Batman theater shooter was also scheduled to testify in the supreme court against the libor scandal. The shootings are very similar, shrouded with mystery and conspiracy. I posted a link with some very interesting stuff but it got deleted right away. I thought all the conspiracy stuff was bogus but the Libor connection and the timing with the UN arms treaty is just all too perfect.... Do your own research before you call me crazy...lol.

I've said it before...
The fact that the guns can so easily fall into the wrong hands is an even stronger argument for gun control. The kinds of weapons used last Friday don't need to be in society. If they were not legal, Adam Lanza's mom would not have had them and Adam Lanza would not have gotten his hands on them. And I'm sorry, but if you think your AR15 is just fine and dandy as a hunting rifle, you're on the wrong side of this. ... Now is very much the time to be talking about this. According to the gun lobby, there is no time ever to be talking about it anyway.

Timothy McVeigh, Michael Fortier, and Terry Nichols were all ex-military. Great idea.

Do like every first world country. Ban high capacity magazines. If you claim to be a hunter, do you need 30-50 rounds to kill an animal? Get a new hobby. Severely restrict hand guns which are only used for killing people. Too many hand guns already out there? Probably. Maybe get manufacturers to stop making ammo for them. It took the UK 20 years after they had a school massacre, but eventually the problem goes away.

I wish EVERY one of our military would come back whole, but it is FACT that some come back broken. My prayers are with them......
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio...

Retiredmilitary, Thanks for your service,that being said ,your comment is way over the top. Give me a break, so we should punish us law abiding citizens and our love of hunting and shooting ,that is absolutely absurd . Unfortunately we will never be able to control wackos,whether they have guns,knives,explosives or whatever. NEVER !!!

I don't agree with the need for semi-automatic guns with HIGH magazine capacity. However, I understand why the NRA fights additional laws because of the slippery slope. People are calling for the elimination of automatic and semi-automatic weapons. Automatic weapons are illegal since 1934 and it takes special measures to even buy/sell an existing collector version. So let's talk semi-automatic ... By definition, a semi-automatic is a gun where you can fire another round by simply pulling the trigger. So a semi-automatic shotgun capable of holding 5 shells and maybe plugged for waterfowl hunting to 3 shells would still be a semi-automatic. By the way, an over/under shotgun that holds 2 shells could also be classed as a semi-automatic. However a pump action shotgun regardless of capacity or a bolt action high power rifle regardless of capacity would not by this definition be a semi-automatic weapon. Anyone else see the slippery slope here? I have to agree with the NRA President's statement that the only way to stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun. A locked door did not stop the slaughter in Newton. An unarmed principle lost her life trying to stop the slaughter. As I have said in other postings .... we have to concentrate on mental health issues and the values or lack of them in today's society.

The NRA speaks on gun control...good grief
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http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ameri...

mouse...I did not say "so "all" VETS are not to be trusted?" Where did you ever get that idea mouse??? I DID say "suicide rates are high among our vets." I would think we should be careful letting just ANY vet walk around a school with a AR15. Some of our vets NEVER get so they can work in a retail position. Mouse...YOU get a clue!

In just prove aspergers syndrome and guns don't mix. The media and many liberals are trying to make rational explanations to irrational people bent on violence. Trying to understand why these people snap is in itself a futile exercise. If schools can't and parents won't the next person in line who will is a fully trained police officer with a sidearm.

We need to face up to the facts that some people with mental illness cannot be treated with talk and drugs alone. Sone, in fact, cannot be cured at all.

And, maybe a few mothers need to face the fact their precious little one cannot not be "cured" with only love and acceptance.

Making people fear guns and a society free of guns obviously works.. look at Chicago and New York....a crime free paradise.

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If people really think more guns is the answer, then let the gun people PAY THOSE COSTS through taxes on gun and ammo purchases. One estimate is that we need $8 billion per year to put ONE armed security guard (not a trained cop, a security guard) in each school in America. They will also, through this tax, pay for liability insurance for when those security guards lose their guns, drop them, accidentally discharge them, and let the school kids get hold of them while they're in the water closet. Because that NEVER happens when you have lots of guns around. And whenever a kid is shot in school "by accident", Wayne LaPierre promises to apologize in person to the families for being a crazy loon of a gun nut who would rather more children die then his gun be taken from his cold hands.

Sigma40 congrats you did something people with brains can appreciate.

Sigma, I am speechless.
You have outdone yourself.

freedomfighter608: Go back and read my post closely. I am assuming you do not have an untreated mental illness. When you read it, you will note that I said that playing these games by someone with a mental illnes could lead to trouble. In no place did I say that playing these games alone was a factor. And, btw, I agree with you on the media excess coverage. Gives potential copycats with mental illness the idea of how to get their 15 minutes of fame. When you look at the overall statistics of falling crime rate and murder rate, you get a different story. However, the slaughter of these innocents is terrible and big news so the media keeps hounding on it. Another unrelated example of this is flying. Flying is safer than driving to the airport. However, when there is a plane crash with multiple fatalities it gets all kinds of coverage leading to an unreasonable fear of flying in many people including myself.

If guns were a common thing in society they wouldnt be feared. 150 years ago strangers rode into town with them on their side. Did people freak out and run and hide? did people all over get shot up and killed? Gus are shut out of our main stream so that when you do get a kid thats an outcast, just like guns are an outcast, they are mesmerized by them and turn into a complete gun nut job. Janesville used to have archery in elementary schools, why did they phase this out? If every kid before they were dont with elementary school had been trained in gun safety and fired a gun and wernt afraid, the outcast kids couldnt use them as tools to drive fear into people...I dont know, but i would assume there was more to just killing, maybe the shooter wanted absolute power? If everyone was familiar with guns and at ease with them he wouldnt have that, hed be just an idiot with a gun.

What would happen if everyone in the schools could bring guns if they went through a training course? Maybe get rid of goofy classes like math and english, then replace them with weapons classes? We could make good soldiers out of our kids by the time they were 15.

"How about hiring unemployed Vets and arming them to protect the school?"
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I would not say vets are that stable to allow them in the schools with weapons. Sorry to say, the suicide level is very high among the vets. I wish this was not the case though...

Mouse why do you turn everything into a biased political arguement?

I am under 40 and even when I was in hs, we had guns in school for hunter safety and even demonstration speeches, nobody got shot or even had a gun pointed at them, I not unlike most of my friends had guns in the open in our homes or our relatives homes, none of us ever got shot or had a gun pointed at us. I see this thread is already avoiding the closest related thread between Sandy Hook, Columbine, Va Tech, Aurora Movie Theater and the Congresswoman Giffords shooting in Tucson. Mental illness and here's a real kick the guy that killed 168 people in OKC also had this commonality and didn't need a gun to pull off his evil.

Why is it always about guns? The more i read the more it looks like a scandal....tied to the Libor scandal. there were first reports of multiple shooters, even on the scanner the cops got more than one person, then the rest magically disappeared and were never talked about again. Why were both fathers of the shooters (Bat man theater shooter and this school shooter) both tied to Libor? And perfect timing for Oblabla's UN arms treaty.... Nice country we live in that we have to use dead kids to get a message to people and get them to all side against guns.

The other developed nations have already solved this one. Clue - they have violent video games and movies too.

It seems like a lot of these incidents might have been prevented if the attackers just had a good friend they could talk to.
I'm just sayin'...

We have a very imitative society today. When I was a kid we watched cowboys & Indians, however we did not embed our skin with war paint imitating Indians. Today's youth watches stuff from Hollywood and permanently mars their skin with tattoos. The youth of today is definitely different. We knew when fantasy ends and reality begins.

We need to find out why mental illness is rampant. Too much genetic trash out there.

Maynard, I played with violent video games and I have watched and watch "violent" movies and I do not go around causing harm to people, so that is an empty excuse and blame. The blame is with the media giving the person full coverage and with the person, too. Retiredmilitary as for taxing ammo and reloading supplies, the tax will be diverted to something unrelated to school "protection"

How about hiring unemployed Vets and arming them to protect the school? They already have the weapons training after all! We can also follow Harrold Texas school district and let some of the teachers carry concealed weapons.

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Restrictions on size of magazines and types of weapons sold may reduce the death toll but I do not believe it will reduce the occurences. Trained staff with a weapon locked in the office may have also reduced the death toll. My personal belief is that the emphasis needs to shift away from guns and towards putting the golden rule back into homes and schools and teaching it from birth on. Even non-believers in a Supreme Being have a set of guidelines they follow. The United States has gone too far away from that while at the same time closing mental health facilities and allowing "freedom of speech" the overreach of putting extreme violence in movies and in video games. I believe the video games are the worst in that the player is actively engaged in creating the carnage on screen. In real life there is not a replay button. With single parents or both parents working (either by necessity or simply because of material wants), too often the children are babysat by TV and video games without real parental supervision. Put that together with some one with a mental illness not properly identified or treated and you have the potential recipe for disaster. I have no problem with limiting the size of ammunition magazines BUT I think this would just be another feel good move and not address the root causes of the violence of our society. Going back to the morality of the 1950's may not have been such a bad thing after all. I am not able to cite definitive studies on the potential effects of TV and video games but was there not recently some homicides carried out using a crossbow (not too long after Hunger Games film aired)? IMHO