Good, God, you've got two years to get your sorry asses out and get registered. If you can't do it by then then you've got Not a damned thing to cry about. Sorry EFFIN' crybabies!!! Censor this, (I know you will)

Fraud is not suppression, unless you can’t make your point without stretching the truth. As I said if the left fringe can't find a single case of suppression with all the states currently requiring voter ID it is fairly safe to say there is none. As soon as voter and registration fraud stops being found I would start to agree there is none of it going on. As it now stands the only people breaking the law are those committing voter and registration fraud, not a single unicorn or leprechaun has been found (suppression).

Actually RAF if you take time to READ slowly you find that there are actually folks getting CONVICTED of fraud in efforts to supress the vote in notably democratic areas.
Since you are all about convictions, I can find as many or more of them as you can find voter fraud cases. On top of that the folks convicted of fraud for attempting suppression are attempting to affect thousands of votes!! While I enjoy really running rampant over you here you just look sillier and sillier with every post in your denials. I stated CASES, where are yours? Please help me find this widespread voter fraud that you fraudulently claim? IT DOESNT EXIST, similar to leprechauns, Santa, and unicorns. You have literally gone off the reservation.

interestingly enough, I had to have picture ID to show charter when they came with a new modem. Seems to me THAT would be voter suppression, or suppression of information, cuz you sure as heck can't get the truth from the lamestream media OR from this paper.

whoever that was, yep, it was long, and difficult to cut and paste up, it I was gonna do it again, I do in reverse order so it can be read from top to bottom as well as the hints you mentioned - thanks.. to sum up there was a lawsuit, and the republican national committee has its hands tied on suing for voter fraud, etc.

Fear did you leave out the tire slashing in milwaukee county by the child of a elected democrat? Obviously this was vandalism but those reaching for something not there might try to say this was suppresion as well.

There are laws preventing what fear claims is going on.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?col...

http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/vot/int...

Again, there are many examples of people being convicted of fraud, both voter and registration, yet not one case of suppression.

Fear "claims", "The elimination of same day registration is an effort to suppress voters, PERIOD".
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If this is true, why is it only six states offer it? How does this claim of suppression by the other states not meet trigger the federal government to action? Your fear and rhetoric over what you think vs. what is factual has clouded any chance to have a discussion based on real information.

So would you prefer to take your chances in a thunderstorm RAF? Or look at ALL the facts?

In the Maryland gubernatorial election in 2010, the campaign of Republican candidate Bob Ehrlich hired a consultant who advised that "the first and most desired outcome is voter suppression", in the form of having "African-American voters stay home." To that end, the Republicans placed thousands of Election Day robocalls to Democratic voters, telling them that the Democratic candidate, Martin O'Malley, had won, although in fact the polls were still open for some two more hours. The Republicans' call, worded to seem as if it came from Democrats, told the voters, "Relax. Everything's fine. The only thing left is to watch it on TV tonight." The calls reached 112,000 voters in majority-African American areas. In 2011, Ehrlich's campaign manager, Paul Schurick, was convicted of fraud and other charges because of the calls. In 2012, he was sentenced to 30 days of home detention, a one-year suspended jail sentence, and 500 hours of community service over the four years of his probation, with no fine or jail time

During the United States Senate election in Virginia, 2006, Secretary of the Virginia State Board of Elections Jean Jensen concluded that incidents of voter suppression appeared widespread and deliberate. Documented incidents of voter suppression include:
Democratic voters receiving calls incorrectly informing them voting will lead to arrest.
Widespread calls fraudulently claiming to be "[Democratic Senate candidate Jim] Webb Volunteers," falsely telling voters their voting location had changed.
Fliers paid for by the Republican Party, stating "SKIP THIS ELECTION" that allegedly attempted to suppress African-American turnout.

The FBI has since launched an investigation into the suppression attempts. Despite the allegations, Democrat Jim Webb narrowly defeated incumbent George Allen.

In the 2002 New Hampshire Senate election phone jamming scandal, Republican officials attempted to reduce the number of Democratic voters by paying professional telemarketers in Idaho to make repeated hang-up calls to the telephone numbers used by the Democratic Party's ride-to-the-polls phone lines on election day. By tying up the lines, voters seeking rides from the Democratic Party would have more difficulty reaching the party to ask for transportation to and from their polling places

Caging lists have been used by political parties to eliminate potential voters registered with other political parties. A political party sends registered mail to addresses of registered voters. If the mail is returned as undeliverable, the mailing organization uses that fact to challenge the registration, arguing that because the voter could not be reached at the address, the registration is fraudulent

Voters may be given false information about when and how to vote, leading them to fail to cast valid ballots. For example, in recall elections for the Wisconsin State Senate in 2011, Americans for Prosperity (a conservative organization that was supporting Republican candidates) sent many Democratic voters a mailing that gave an incorrect deadline for absentee ballots. Voters who relied on the deadline in the mailing would have sent in their ballots too late for them to be counted.

Still think suppression doesnt exist RAF?

Jim Crow laws

In the United States, voter suppression was used extensively in most Southern states until the Voting Rights Act (1965) made most disenfranchisement and voting qualifications illegal. Traditional voter suppression tactics included the institution of poll taxes and literacy tests, aimed at suppressing the votes of African Americans and working class white voters
Try again RAF.

In Florida during the 2000 presidential election, some non-felons were banned due to record-keeping errors and not warned of their disqualification until the deadline for contesting it had passed.

RAF is an example of someone who refuses to address facts, just bending them and twisting them to support an ideology, nothing more.
The elimination of same day registration is an effort to suppress voters, PERIOD.Anything else put forth is just fodder for the far rigfht lunatics like RAF who no matter what case is put forth , just keeps on the 12 step program....deny, deny, deny.
Just remember RAF and others you have a greater chance to be struck by lightning than to commit voter fraud. You say supression doesnt exist? Spoken like a hard right wing white man who has no idea of what its like to be discriminated against, or a minority of any kind. Whining about wars on women and race baiting and fear mongering only shows that you are a part of the machine that keeps these people, and know nothing of their struggles. You are indeed a part of the problem with your lunacy. Denail is only a sign of ignorance.

Like unicorns and leprechauns not one case of voter suppression has been found in any state with voter ID laws. For the legally challenged, voter suppression law is federal which trumps any state law.

"Claims" of suppression are just another case of fear mongering put forth by the left like race baiting, war on women, war on seniors, taking away social security, throwing old women off cliffs, and taking away X from group Y.

fearandrhetoric4dummies,
A good comparison can be found from the two links I shared earlier. There is some way to measure voter suppression, but it isn't always clear just what the causes are. Some people have argued in the past that simply requiring voter registration has decreased turnout ranging from about 7% to 14%. Critics of that analysis have pointed out that other factors may be at play. A rare opportunity presented itself when Wisconsin was required to implement voter registration just a few years ago. Wisconsin was one of the only states that allowed same day voter registration.

The results of the research found that voter turnout was ultimately reduced by about 2%, almost certainly as a direct result of requiring voter registration. So where does the other 5%-12% come from? While it is difficult to say exactly, and it almost certainly is complex, not simple, it seems that at least a significant portion comes from the closing date normally associated with voter registration (you must register x days before an election in order to participate).

What I would like to point out is that, although I do think voter registration is important (perhaps a necessary evil, if you will), it has been shown to negatively impact 2% voter turnout. That is, voter registration all by itself, not including other factors that have further and greater negative impacts, has approximately 2,220 times greater negative impact than the highest voter fraud figure you cited.

Unicorns and leprechauns, witches and wizards.

Indeed, evidence from the microscopically scrutinized 2004 gubernatorial election in Washington State actually reveals just the opposite: though voter fraud does happen, it happens approximately 0.0009% of the time. The similarly closely-analyzed 2004 election in Ohio revealed a voter fraud rate of 0.00004%. National Weather Service data shows that Americans are struck and killed by lightning about as often.
Theres your documented cases, what a freaking joke!! Then to pretend as if same day registration wont suppress the vote? Of course it will!! To deny that because there is no way to measure it think of how many people it takes to become a larger problem than your so-called "voter fraud farce" .000004% is that what you are going to make your case?
Ill stick by my story, you stick by yours. Stay over there with your extreme right wing patriots and tri-cornered hats.

I still laugh every time I see posts saying voter fraud is not a problem, when we have documented convictions of this and registration fraud. Yet these same folks "claim" there is voter suppression, which is against federal law, and there is not one documented conviction of suppression. So much for an honest debate based on facts.

Teapearty sal, the fact that an "intellectual" like you would put me in a group with bright folks like poobah, carlitos etc is great!! Id rather be in that group than in the people you swim with.
That being said, Id trade same day for voter ID anyday. The fact remains there is no voter fraud problem, eliminating same day registration turns away thousands of would be voters. This is simply a way to supress a large block of voters, period. You can blather on and on, this is about nothing more than your OPINION and ideological beliefs. You want a one party rule and only want people like you to vote plain and simple.
I would like every single American to cast a ballot, and let the winner be named. I also would like 4 to 6 political parties as well. This 2 party mirage has you all fooled. Especially the teaparty, patriot.......sal. The guy who wants less people to vote at all costs, calls himself a patriot? What would the founders say?? My guess is that they wouldnt call you a Patriot.

sal,
tldr.

By the way, that is, too long, didn't read. It might be surprising that I would say that, seeing as how I often make posts that exceed the 2000 character limit for a single post. However, a word of advice: split your main thoughts up into separate paragraphs. Separate your paragraphs with an [enter][space][enter] combination. It makes it much easier on the eyes, and can help people choose what, if any, parts of your post they want to actually read.

Elections would be a lot easier for repubs to win if it weren't for all those darn voters.

totally disagree with the governor on this one.

eagle1 trust me, poohbah, fear, and carlito's way are all in the running for that title. I've actually received perfectly reasonable emails from nice people who tell me not to even bother trying to reason with them. Some senders have id'd themselves, others not.. I just try to use this site to put out info that this paper will NEVER print, and yes, to vent an opinion or 2 that they would never put in their letter to the editor column. Just my little way of getting back at them for being such tools

yada's last link to an uber liberal website has what to do with voting????? Voter fraud or registration? As a conservative, I don't care for Walker because of his expansion of green tier(agenda 21) via executive order, but I don't get the connection to this particular story?????? To discuss Walker and vote fraud wouldn't one need to bring up duplicate signatures or fake ones, or ones by felons not eligible to vote, as shown on the petition for the failed recall, which cost the state taxpayers how much money?

http://www.prwatch.org/news/2012/11/1187...

http://www.channel3000.com/news/politics...

So, now the question is, why aren't any of the facts I've posted, and they are facts, being talked about in the mainstream media? This very paper CLAIMS to have endorsed Romney.... but did you see any of this information in the paper? Wouldn't you suppose if they REALLY wanted to see Romney elected, they'd be screaming foul? Or, maybe the real question is why anyone pays to read this rag in the first place? Or watches mainstream media?

part 3
(d) refrain from giving any directions to or permitting their employees to campaign within restricted polling areas or to interrogate prospective voters as to their qualifications to vote prior to their entry to a polling place;

(e) refrain from undertaking any ballot security activities in polling places or election districts where the racial or ethnic composition of such districts is a factor in the decision to conduct, or the actual conduct of, such activities there and where a purpose or significant effect of such activities is to deter qualified voters from voting; and the conduct of such activities disproportionately in or directed toward districts that have a substantial proportion of racial or ethnic populations shall be considered relevant evidence of the existence of such a factor and purpose;

(f) refrain from having private personnel deputized as law enforcement personnel in connection with ballot security activities.

The RNC also agreed that the RNC, its agents, servants, and employees would be bound by the Decree, “whether acting directly or indirectly through other party committees.”

As modified in 1987, the Consent Decree defined “ballot security activities” to mean “ballot integrity, ballot security or other efforts to prevent or remedy vote fraud.”

Since 1982, that Consent Decree has been renewed every year by the original judge, Carter appointee District Judge Dickinson R. Debevoise, now 88 years old. Long retired, Debevoise comes back yearly for the sole purpose of renewing his 1982 order for another year.

In 1981, during the gubernatorial election in New Jersey (NJ), a lawsuit was brought against the RNC, the NJ Republican State Committee (RSC), and three individuals (John A. Kelly, Ronald Kaufman, and Alex Hurtado), accusing them of violating the Voting Rights Act of 1965 (VRA), 42 U.S.C. §§ 1971, 1973, and the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States.

The lawsuit was brought by the Democratic National Committee (DNC), the NJ Democratic State Committee (DSC), and two individuals (Virginia L. Peggins and Lynette Monroe).

The lawsuit alleged that:

The RNC and RSC targeted minority voters in New Jersey in an effort to intimidate them.

The RNC created a voter challenge list by mailing sample ballots to individuals in precincts with a high percentage of racial or ethnic minority registered voters. Then the RNC put the names of individuals whose postcards were returned as undeliverable on a list of voters to challenge at the polls.

The RNC enlisted the help of off-duty sheriffs and police officers with “National Ballot Security Task Force” armbands, to intimidate voters by standing at polling places in minority precincts during voting. Some of the officers allegedly wore firearms in a visible manner.

To settle the lawsuit, in 1982, the RNC and RSC entered into an agreement or Consent Decree, which is national in scope, limiting the RNC’s ability to engage or assist in voter fraud prevention unless the RNC obtains the court’s approval in advance. The following is what the RNC and RSC, in the Consent Decree, agreed they would do:

[I]n the future, in all states and territories of the United States:

(a) comply with all applicable state and federal laws protecting the rights of duly qualified citizens to vote for the candidate(s) of their choice;

(b) in the event that they produce or place any signs which are part of ballot security activities, cause said signs to disclose that they are authorized or sponsored by the party committees and any other committees participating with the party committees;

(c) refrain from giving any directions to or permitting their agents or employees to remove or deface any lawfully printed and placed campaign materials or signs;

this might be of interest of course, even more interesting is why noone knows about it... I will have to break it down into multiple comments to fit it in here is part 1
The Republican Party made an agreement 30 years ago with the Democrat Party NOT to ensure voting integrity and NOT to pursue suspected vote fraud.

Yes. You read it correctly.

In fact, legally the GOP cannot ensure voting integrity, nor can it prevent vote fraud.

Here’s the astounding reason, which is kept from the American people.

PolitiJim writes for Gulag Bound, November 13, 2012, that during the weekly True the Vote webcast, Catherine Engelbrecht related a meeting she had with Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee (RNC), asking what the GOP would do about voter integrity. The answer?

Nothing. They aren’t legally able to.

This all goes back to a lawsuit 31 years ago, in 1981. The following is compiled from an account on The Judicial View, a legal website specializing in court decision research and alerts, and from “Democratic National Committee v Republican National Committee,” Case No. 09-4615.

then there was the huge green bus outside the Beloit steel workers union office the night before the election. Said Chicago Classic coach on the side and had Illinois plates. Lights were on in the hall well into the night. Just a bi-state pre election party?

here is the link to the article I got the previous comment from http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2... by the way, how exactly does the poor, downtrodden person who cant get proper id because he/she doesn't drive get to the polls to vote? hmmmmmm?

8 In Wisconsin, there were allegations that Obama voters were actually being bussed in from out of state…

The Democrats stationed a self described “BIG Chicago pro bono attorney” as one of their two observers at this small polling place. He remained at the polling place from 7:00 a.m. until well after 8:p.m. …..A high priced CHICAGO attorney, sitting in a Sheboygan WISCONSIN polling place, observing wards comprised of 1500 voters? …. WHY???
Why would someone from Chicago be observing in Sheboygan Wisconsin? And WHY at such a small polling place? Finally, isn’t it interesting that this would occur at the VERY polling place in which all of the above described events ALSO occurred? AGAIN WHY WOULD A CHICAGO ATTORNEY BE OBSERVING AN ELECTION POLLING PLACE WITH FEWER THAN 1500 VOTERS IN IT, IN SHEBOYGAN WISCONSIN? Of all the places where there has been suspected voting irregularities, and OUTRIGHT FRAUD throughout the ENTIRE United States, WHY HERE? WHY SHEBOYGAN? WHY THIS SMALL WARD?

This lawyer spent the day running in and out making, and taking calls, which coincidentally then coincided with influxes of groups of individuals by the van and bus loads, coming in to register, AND VOTE, using what appeared to be copied Allient energy bills. These individuals often did not have photo I.D.’s, could not remember their own addresses without looking at the paper, and became easily tripped, confused and annoyed when questioned.

Many of these same individuals, just so happened to be dressed in/wearing CHICAGO BEARS apparel, and whom openly discussed “catching busses back to Chicago” with each other, with poll workers, via their cell phones in the lobby area just outside the polling place, as well as in the parking lot, both before and AFTER registering and voting.

One woman was dressed head to toe in CHICAGO BEARS apparel including perfectly manicured BEARS fake fingernails! She complained because registering was taking too long and she had to hurry up to catch her bus back to Chicago.

We have photos of these people in vehicles with plates from different states, photos of them leaving the polls, and other irregularities.

yada you truly are the biggest wing nut on this site and that is saying a lot with the list of crazies that reveal themselves daily. Congrats your straight jacket and tinfoil hat are in the mail

And another one bites the dust....

GREAT info that SHOULD HAVE - SCOTT WALKER -
CONCERNED! Glad to see that it came out during the SENTENCING of a WALKER Top Aide.

"PROSECUTOR LINKS WALKER TO INTERTWINING OF POLITICAL , COUNTY WORK"

http://www.channel3000.com/news/politics...

"AS TOP AIDE IS SENTENCED TO JAIL TIME, SCOTT WALKER LANDS IN THE HOT SEAT"

http://www.prwatch.org/news/2012/11/1187...

"OH MY!!! SCOTT WALKER & AIDES IMPLICATED IN DOING POLITICAL WORK USING COUNTY RESOURCES"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/19...

GREAT info that SHOULD HAVE - SCOTT WALKER -
CONCERNED! Glad to see that it came out during the SENTENCING of a WALKER Top Aide.

"PROSECUTOR LINKS WALKER TO INTERTWINING OF POLITICAL , COUNTY WORK"

http://www.channel3000.com/news/politics...

"AS TOP AIDE IS SENTENCED TO JAIL TIME, SCOTT WALKER LANDS IN THE HOT SEAT"

http://www.prwatch.org/news/2012/11/1187...

"OH MY!!! SCOTT WALKER & AIDES IMPLICATED IN DOING POLITICAL WORK USING COUNTY RESOURCES"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/19...

Now he wants to further supress same day registration. Imagine that!…..Many point out that such voter ID bills do much more harm than good. Not surprisingly, these laws are pushed by right-wing groups, including those run by the billionaire Koch brothers - big donors to Scott Walker's campaign….Talk about MORE underhanded Voter Suppression ploys Walker is up to...Walker plans to drop the number of DMVs from 88 to 78, which in many cases would result in more difficulty in obtaining the needed ID to gain ballot access....The money saved will then be used to extend hours at DMVs that Democrats say are in Republican districts….By closing DMVs, in what his opponents claim are largely Democrat-leaning areas, Walker and his colleagues appear to be taking the process of voter suppression to a new low point.

Everywhere I have lived I have had to show ID when registering, even on the day of the election like I did in San Diego. No big deal. My disabled brother that doesn't work or drive has ID, if he can get one anyone can.

Eagle1,
Thanks for the clarification. Interestingly enough, when I did my EDR (election day registration) during the Republican Primary this past Spring, I was asked to show a photo ID.

Here is a good read for anyone who expresses serious concern over this topic (regardless of what side you are on):

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/11437...

And here is a very interesting, lengthy, and quality read for anyone who is VERY interested in this topic (warning, about 41 pages long):

http://electionadmin.wisc.edu/bn4.pdf

kai I would be in favor of same day registration if Voter ID was enacted.

Eagle1,
You made the following statement, "However anyone that seriously makes excuses as to why Same Day registration or Voter ID shouldn't happen is grasping at straws," but I don't think that is what you meant. It sounds like you are in favor of voter ID, and you are also in favor of allowing people to register on the same day they vote. Can you please clarify that for me?

Olderandornerier,
Your argument underscores the problem we are truly facing. You won't even give someone a chance to make an argument if you disagree with it. Further, you call anyone who disagrees with your opinion a person who is lacking intelligence. Finally, you assume that someone without intelligence cannot possibly be correct. Your arguments, as they stand, are not strong or valid.

It is undeniable that states with same day voter registration experience higher voter turnout. It is also undeniable that same day registration is not accompanied by widespread fraud. Why is there a push to reduce voter turnout? Shouldn't we be promoting higher voter turnout?

chett,
You said, "As an FYI to all of you that have tin foil hats on we have it because the state has tried to avoid the motor voter act which btw was signed into law by Bill Clinton.."

Actually, while election day voter registration does allow us to bypass the motor voter act, we do not have same day registration specifically to bypass that act (as you imply). According to my research, Wisconsin's same day voter registration law has been around for about 36 years (well before Bill Clinton was ever elected president).

Can we stop all of the childish name calling, please? This is ridiculous. I asked wislady an honest question, and all I wanted was a reasonable discussion. Instead, many people literally (the real meaning of literally) jumped wislady, and I feel it is likely she has been distracted from my original inquiry. The conversation then only devolves into further name calling.

I can't figure it out yet. Is a person an idiot for wanting same day registration, or is a person an idiot for wanting to get rid of same day registration? I don't think idiocy depends on either of those, as both sides are able to make a case for their point of view.

Moving on. As far as I understand, there was NO ONE who requested an absentee ballot in Wisconsin and did not get it in time, or have more than ample opportunity to receive an absentee ballot in time. Yes, the ballots were sent out late, and no, that's not acceptable. However, we no longer live in the day of the Pony Express. Here is a hint, if you are confused: When I lived in Japan, I was able to post on this website and hold conversations with people in real time. The information age is here, don't pretend we can't find solutions to problems as simple as, ballots were not mailed out in time.

Anyone stating that an elected official received more votes than actual population should provide evidence of this claim, or consider it ignored. That kind of voter fraud would not go unnoticed. I Googled "wisconsin recall election racine county lehman" and found no reports of such fraud.

Requiring one to preregister to vote is in no way voter suppression. But it will help to eliminate any chance for voter fraud, after all any fraudulant vote is too many!

oldandornier: This article is not about voter ID laws. It's about Walker's opposition to citizens, WITH proper identification and proof of where they live, being allowed to register to vote on election day. Why would you be opposed to that?

It is just common sense to have to prove who you are to vote, and that you live in the district. Any argument against this is just hogwash. If you are not responsible enough to have an ID and proof of residence, you are not responsible enough to vote. (Or you should not be voting for legal reasons). Any argument against voter ID is null and void for lack of intelligence.

I cannot believe this is even debatable, are we so behind the times in this state we have to make a stink about this and or voter ID? Wisconsin is the only state I have lived in that is this open and lax on voting laws therefore open to all kinds of fraud possibilities. I could have easily voted 5 times on Election Day with forged utility bills which trust are not difficult to forge and pass by the elderly volunteers at polling places. I am very much a Libertarian and against government overreaching in most situations however this one is just plain common sense. I would like to think the election process is actually fair to the candidates I support, I know it isn't and eliminating same day registration or having Voter ID will not make a difference, some real campaign and election laws need to be looked at before that happens. However anyone that seriously makes excuses as to why Same Day registration or Voter ID shouldn't happen is grasping at straws, it happens in many other states and there isn't this irrational outcry I hear the opponents say will happen. I really have to think if you are that opposed to these common sense no brainer laws, you support the idea of fraud.... you stay classy.

What scares the left the most is they won't be able to bus people all around the county and register everywhere. 114% of the population voted in Racine county for Lehman in the Recall.
Now that's voter suppression.

Of course Walker opposes same day registration. He is in favor of voting restrictions that make it more difficult to vote.

Not a word from the left side of the fence when the military didn't get ballots on time or sat in a warehouse for months until (surprise!) just one day after the day of election.

If you can get out to vote which isn't suppression you can get out to register. You can even do it by mail.
No ID required.
How is that suppression?

Fear,

I have another one for you...one of my biggest problems with the Florida "hanging chad" fiasco...how many still voted and then said afterward "I didn't understand the ballot"? Just throwing that out, because that was a big complaint then. If anyone cast a ballot without understanding it, then that vote was a very irresponsible vote. One of the jobs of the poll workers is to provide assistance in understanding the ballots (NOT of course the "just check this box" type either).

wislady FOCUS

Dead people shouldn't vote either.

I support Governor Walker on this.

Same old yadomouse, off topic and old information.

Walker and Co. are talking out of both sides of mouth.
"REPORT: WALKER CAMPAIGN GOP HIRED PROBE DEFENDANT"

http://www.wxow.com/story/20128766/repor...

Yes - Same lady convicted as a F E L O N - for doing Campaign work on on Taxpayer time while working for County. She was one of Walkers top aides.
***R E A D - the Milw. Journal Sentinel Story and see how it all took place with Walker as County Executive.***

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/w...

Disenfranchising voters is a federal crime should be easy for the left who claim it happens to have one VICTIM willing to go to court in any state that has voter ID laws to prove victimhood...yet to date not one person has come forward; wonder why?????

There is clear evidence of voter and registration fraud, there are people who have been convicted. Yet no one has been convicted of disenfranchising voters through voter ID laws. The lefts argument is an empty diatribe just like accusing people of wanting to take away social security, but hey, honesty has never been part of their messaging.

Fear...You didnt investigate Motor Voter. You dont have to drive to be registered under Motor Voter...If WI gets rid of same day regestration we HAVE to by Federal Law enact Motor Voter. My posts are like a broken record lol Peace out ya'll

yeah chet thats great IF you drive, of course not 100% of everyone drives. I also dont believe that anyone should be forced to register pre-election at all!!
Nice fo Sandman to use derrogatory terms to describe people that CHOOSE to register to vote day of election. Judging peoples lives and calling them idiots , makes you look like one. Dont let idiots vote? You are allowed to vote, why not the rest of the idiots?
Voter ID does keep people at home, FAR mopre than cases of "voter fraud" . Meh, whatever, far right ing extremists like RAF claim dead folks voting in every election, while voter ID actually does keep people at home. Because there arent hoards of poo/elderly people running to Fox Noise to claim they have been denied the right to vote, or suppressed for that matter, it doesnt exist? Look aroundm, read. IT EXISTS, you just may not like the sources. Look at some of the districts that recorded no Romney votes, especially in Philadelphia, that surprises you?
One thing I will agree with the Right wing extremist (Raf) on is one person one vote, and our votes should not be for sale. Thanks to dirty private billions and citiZens United all of our votes have been for sale.
I will say it again, this nation should move towards an effort to making sure everyone votes, not less people. What I see from Republicans is the effort to make it MORE difficult for certain blocks of people to vote, because high turnout almost always faors Dems, curious.
Funny how the Right Wing extremist has not mentioned the 4 hour lines at polling places in poor areas in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, who seem to have highest turnout numbers and least amount of voting machines , poll worksers etc... and all you want to talk about is dead voters? How many poor folks walked away from the polls because they didn't want to wait? I know reality is tough, but why do republicans continue want to ignore real problems , and create false ones??
Less voters is always better for the Plutocrats, and more vortes is always better for the Dems, I would rather have more peoples input than less.
Funny how little people like Sandman and others want all the freedom in the world, until it means millions of people that vote differently than they do then , NO WAY, SUPPRESS, MAKE EM WAIT. I still believe the Ohio secretary of state should be brought up on charges for some of the crap that he tried to pull there,
http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/nationworl...

And so it would, as well a the requirement to show a picture ID. Got to say it's one thing I'm with you on, Johnny Walker!

Neither issue is asking too much - unless you're a complete procrastinating, dependent, idiot (and if the shoe fits, well...).

I usually refrain from posting twice, however this is an annoying subject... Once the state of Wisconsin gets rid of same day voter registration the state by Federal law MUST enact the Motor Voter Law...This law is heavily supported by Dem’s and strongly opposed by Rep’s.. So I don’t get all the flip flopping by you Dems on this forum...Here’s the a link to a good explanation of the law...Maybe people should know what happens when same day voter registration is eliminated instead of just jumping into partisan politics???http://definitions.uslegal.com/m/motor-voter-act-the-national-voter-registration-act-of-1993-nvra/

Just had a major nationwide election with more states having voter ID laws than ever before, based on all the "concerns" raised by the caring left they should very easily be able to put forth at LEAST one person that was disenfranchised this election cycle....

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Yet another Voter suppression ploy by Scott Walker….After witnessing thousands of angry protesters at the state Capitol and his poll numbers plummet, Walker now seems to be going the extra mile to try to tip the electorate in his favor….First he got passage of a voter ID bill that would particularly impact likely Democrat voters, and now he is now proposing making it harder to get the necessary identification....Now he wants to further supress same day registration. Imagine that!…..Many point out that such voter ID bills do much more harm than good. Not surprisingly, these laws are pushed by right-wing groups, including those run by the billionaire Koch brothers - big donors to Scott Walker's campaign….Talk about MORE underhanded Voter Suppression ploys Walker is up to...Walker plans to drop the number of DMVs from 88 to 78, which in many cases would result in more difficulty in obtaining the needed ID to gain ballot access....The money saved will then be used to extend hours at DMVs that Democrats say are in Republican districts….By closing DMVs, in what his opponents claim are largely Democrat-leaning areas, Walker and his colleagues appear to be taking the process of voter suppression to a new low point.

More rhetoric from the left fringe circus over fox news. Yet all of them are silent over the CNN hit piece on one county in Texas that had a +90% turn-out for Romney. This was such a big story they sent a film crew to the county trying to figure out why so few voted for Obama. Yet this same "news" org never once questioned the over 20 districts in urban ohio and penn that had no voters for Romney and all registered voters had cast ballots for Obama.

I agree voting should be easy, ever person should vote, once in every election. While dead people should never vote and votes shouldn't be sold.

Literacy test????

http://www.happyplace.com/19076/election...

""One of the poll watchers stated that a poll worker accepted as proof of residence, a note from someone's girlfriend that he lived there. The young man was given a ballot and voted""
This is the typical Fox news tactic of "some people say" sourcing. No proof , just mumblemouthed garbage, remember "signatures for cigarettes"?
I am ac tually okay with a voter ID law, as long as its reasonable. I still think it addresses a non-existant problem, statistics tell you that, but these people dont like statistics. Eliminating same day registration is CLEARLY a voter supressdion move. We should be making it easier for folks to cast a legal ballot, not more difficult. The people you see advocating for eliminating it are the ones that clearly have partisan interest in it, not democracy. They are more interested in getting power and then dictating. You cant win on ideas so you must rig the system that has been in place? SAD!!

why is it that the RWNJs are the only ones who believe that there is massive voter fraud but can present no evidence of massive voter fraud and have nothing other that Faux News upon which to base their overwhelming paranoia?

why is it anytime people are asked to get off the couch put there pants on and do something it's voter suppression??? we are one of the very few states that have same day voter registration. As an FYI to all of you that have tin foil hats on we have it because the state has tried to avoid the motor voter act which btw was signed into law by Bill Clinton..so to say we're getting rid of it to suppress the vote is to say Bill Clinton is suppressing the vote...

Why is it that only Democratic voters seem to be the one's subject to voter suppression?

"(Maybe we should have literacy test as a voting requirement...LOL)"
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This coming from the same fool that claimed that medicare was an example of an efficient and well run government program......with that claim coming during the time as Obama was addressing the nation preaching accountability and his determination to recover the $500 billion in waste and fraud that the program was drowning in. Maybe we should have an IQ test as a voting requirement....LOL

if a person wants to vote it should not matter when they register, and to claim it is a burden on the clerks is a crock of you-know-what...they are there to do whatever they are supposed to do on voting day and if that means registering voters on election day then that is what they do...this comment by Walker makes me think he's trying to suppress any voter who doesn't agree with him, which is also a crock of you-know-what, because even if we don't agree we should all have the privilege of voting for whomever we chose regardless of when we registered...

Oh, Thekai, I forgot, you may also got a link to a story from a satire site that she read and thought was real like she did last week.

my10whatever....In that you are a right winger, I will sound it out for you. It has to do with getting to the polls to register....then to vote. That's what voter supression is all about! Get it now?? (Maybe we should have literacy test as a voting requirement...LOL)

Hey Kids! Lets fix another problem that doesn't exist!

Actually, wislady, thekai's comparison is spot on.

It's par for the course for conservatives to claim voter fraud when they lose an election. Create a smokescreen of false claims with bad information in order to whip up the fear machine. People who live in urban areas and have brown skin must be committing voter fraud, since they are (pick one) not American citizens, poor, on public assistance, etc... Nothing new, and Scott Walker knows there is no substantial problem with same day registration. It's a game.

I don't think a lot of people voted in the recall election, because the felt, like I did, that it was a waste of time. That time would have been better spent finding a candidate that wasn't Tom Barrett, who had already lost. What would be nice to see would be an independent candidate.

Mitt Romney, one of the worst Republican Presidential candidates ever, garnered more support than Scott Walker did.

Thekai, be prepared for a link from Mediatrackers or some other right wing source or blog because the main stream media lies you know. But blogs with unsupported evidence are valid.

Eventually the voter ID legislation will come before the state supreme court. After they rule that the legislation is constitutional then both political parties will have to give up these claims regarding voter fraud......

wislady,
Would you be offended if I asked for evidence of your claims? Also, can you clarify what you mean by, voters being bussed in?

Who the voters choose has little to do with my statement. I was merely remarking the fact that more people (apparently) care about the presidential election than a recall election.

So Obama beats Romney by 205,000+ votes in Wisconsin and the Republicans that are running our state can't figure out where that much fraud is because they just KNOW that Romney/Ryan really won that election. I guess they are admitting how incompetent they really are - or that they actually want to suppress the vote (I think it is the latter actually). Surely if Romney was cheated out of over 200,000 votes in Wisconsin, you should be able find at least 20 instances of voter fraud to prosecute? How useless is our AG anyway?

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.co...

I wonder what the explanation is for the precinct in Florida which had 7 registered voters, but had 900 people voting in that precinct. Voter ID would have taken care of that issue.

thekai
Your comparison is ridiculous. One election was held in JUNE and was for the governorship.
The other is a presidential election (which typically has a higher turnout), and was held in November. Really no comparison, but since you want to use those numbers, does it also show the republicans gaining back the majority and having control?

thekai
Yes, and as evidenced by the busloads of people in Milwaukee who arrived at the polls near the 8pm time, the intention is to overwhelm the poll workers. One of the poll watchers stated that a poll worker accepted as proof of residence, a note from someone's girlfriend that he lived there. The young man was given a ballot and voted.

What is the point of having all the walk in "absentee" voting, which has been extended in almost every state, if people wait until the last day. There was plenty of time to vote, there is no reason that first time voters wait until the last hour.

Thanks, Kai. I hadn't seen those numbers. Very interesting and kind of depressing....

poorrichard,
I didn't say people didn't take the recall election seriously. I said if everyone took the recall election more seriously, I am confident Walker would not be our governor right now.

My supporting evidence?

Recall Election results (Wikipedia):
Scott Walker 1,335,585
Tom Barrett 1,164,480

Presidential Election results (CNN):
Barack Obama 1,613,950
Mitt Romney 1,408,746

Do you see it? Even Mitt Romney beat Scott Walker.

Zoom-Excuse me for reponding to the headline and trying to have a possible solution. One reason why nothing gets done in Madison or Washigton.

thekai-I think people did take the recall election very serious and that's why he's still governor.

poorichard, voting is anonymous. Linking a ballot to a voter is illegal. Besides, a person is required to show proof of residency when registering. The voter registration system is no different just because it may happen on election day. Those arguing against same-day registration aren't saying the registration system itself needs to be change, after all. This is all about voter suppression.

Still waiting for the wingnuts to present actual evidence of voting fraud in Wisconsin.

We could have same day voter registration very simply-Each registration form would be numbered as would the ballot. Ballot would also be a different color. If after the election a reason was found that person should not have voted just pull out that ballot and discount that vote.

wislady,
With all due respect, do you really believe that statement? The statement that many people wait until voting day to register, so it will be easier to cast fraudulent votes? Are you aware of what percentage of votes are actually accounted for by people voting fraudulently (with intent to fraud the system)?

What is wrong with same day registration? It actually ties in very well with the statement ozzman99 made. How is it that Wisconsin voted Walker in twice, but also chose Barack Obama and Tammy Baldwin? Because many people either don't know, don't show, or don't care that more elections matter than just the presidential election. If everyone took the Walker recall election seriously, I am now quite confident Walker would not be our governor at present. That being said, there are people who don't register ahead of time, and wait until election day to do so.

My current room mate is one of those people. He voted Republican. People who register on voting day are not only Democrats, they include people with any or no political party affiliation. However, I would not be surprised to find that the majority of people who registered to vote on November 6th were Democrats.

It is my opinion that it doesn't matter if a person waits until election day to register. As long as people are voting, that is a very positive thing (yes, even if they vote for a person I don't agree with). Stop trying to suppress the vote. And for heaven's sake, stop blaming it on voter fraud that is completely negligible.

Even if 100 people fraudulently registered to vote on election day (I seriously doubt it, at least as far as our entire state goes), many many more legitimately registered to vote on election day.

Our voting system needs to be overhauled, and illegal voters taken off the poll books. There is nothing wrong with proving who you are when you vote. Even Obama had to show his ID in Illinois when he voted. Same day registration needs to be eliminated, the voting dates are known well ahead of time and there is no excuse for waiting until 8pm the day of voting.

The reason for flooding the polls at closing time, is to overwhelm the poll workers and enable people to vote who should not be voting.

What ever happened to the National ID card? It has been on hold since 2008....coincidence? It should be in place, and would make voting much quicker.

"Why couldn't all this have been presented in his home State?"

It was at the Reagan Library, which is in California, and Mrs. Reagan invited him.

Quit with the Hendricks drama...check our Milwaukee Executive Chris Abele. Diane Hendricks is NOT an elected official.

Abele was hit with lien for unpaid taxes
IRS says he owed more than $2.3 million for 1999 tax year

"Millionaire philanthropist Chris Abele, one of two candidates for Milwaukee County executive, was hit with a federal tax lien in 2003 over millions in unpaid federal taxes.

The lien, filed in November 2003, said Abele owed the Internal Revenue Service more than $2.3 million in income taxes for the 1999 tax year, according to records obtained from the county Register of Deed's Office. The lien was placed on his condo on N. Prospect Ave. at the time.
Millionaire philanthropist Chris Abele, one of two candidates for Milwaukee County executive, was hit with a federal tax lien in 2003 over millions in unpaid federal taxes.

The lien, filed in November 2003, said Abele owed the Internal Revenue Service more than $2.3 million in income taxes for the 1999 tax year, according to records obtained from the county Register of Deed's Office. The lien was placed on his condo on N. Prospect Ave. at the time."

http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquart...

Abele pays no state income tax

"But the Milwaukee philanthropist has shown himself to be tightfisted with one particular entity:

The State of Wisconsin.

For at least the past four years, Abele has paid no state income taxes.

Not one nickel."

http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquart...

"Actually it should read "Gov. Scott Walker says he thinks that it would "much better" if Wisconsin did not have voters"
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This was a stupid comment, considering a majority of Wisconsin's voters elected Walker to the state's highest office.......twice.:)

the elephants can try to surpress the votes all they want, the donkeys will control the white house for the next 30 years as long as trump, hannity and rove are the talking heads of the party...

Romney/Ryan might have won if only they could have suppressed more votes.

What does a driver's license have to do with registering early? Always excuses.

Anything to keep groups that vote heavily Democratic from voting. Your goal is so transparent, Mr. Governor.
Minorities and poor populations are the most likely to have drivers license problems. Less than
half (47 percent) of Milwaukee County African American adults and 43 percent of Hispanic
adults have a valid drivers license compared to 85 percent of white adults. The situation for young adults ages 18-24 is even worse
-- with only 26 percent of African Americans and 34 percent of Hispanics in Milwaukee County
with a valid license compared to 71 percent of young white adults.

People had a chance to throw him out in June but chose not to. Ill never know how a state can send Obama and Baldwin to DC and re elect an extremist right wing governor and legislature.

Actually it should read "Gov. Scott Walker says he thinks that it would "much better" if Wisconsin did not have voters". (Have a feeling that this will get deleted but thought I would try)

LOL Kissing who and where? He just keeps Stirring the Kettle... Scotty 2014 is coming..... And which party continues to suppress the Rights of the people It has been like this for years and years and not an issue and now IDIOTS like this one and many in his party continue the acts of DIVIDING THIS COUNTRY and that is What?????