Funny how Walker's latest TV ad touting these numbers started running approximately ONE HOUR after the numbers were released.

Anyone see a problem with that?

GA-You say you're not attacking anyone then you say that those who support Walker are immoral. Who do you think you are to tell who's moral and who's not. It's your opinion only and that's only worth something to you.

what walker team failed to do is convert every other states numbers to this to . and when they do wisconsin is still going to be last the only state walker helped move up on the list is illinois . and if he was so confident in his numbers they would of asked the other states to do so . but who wants to prove their in last place.

Forbes talks about Walker's method of determining the number of new jobs

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/20...

Devilsadvocate, great post.

Also, if Mr. Walker could ever rise to the position of, "a novice in economics", that would be the lone accomplishment for him.

The biggest laugh was Walker's original contention, that by returning $2 billion in tax money to Wisconsin businesses, would some how create jobs. Even a novice in economics understands that jobs are created, in the private sector, in response to a robust economy, which increases demand for goods and services, requiring businesses to hire more workers. Stuffing tax money into the pockets of your buddies, never has created a job and never will.

GoodAmerican, the fedup one repeats the same lines all the time. Lines like, "When you know you have no ground to stand you degrade and attack, you degrade and attack."
Don't give it any credence because it is just her/him looking in the mirror.

It is going to be fun listening to you whiners after Scott Walkers wins June 5th.

I don't know where the census numbers will land Wisconsin as a state, but I do know that I would give them much more validity than the Dept. of Labor job loss estimates. Those I give as much validity as the political polls, which is basically zero. As far as I'm concerned, a poll based on 3% of any population is statistically irrelevant in terms of making any meaningful conclusions.
As far as businesses waiting until the recall election to expand, no I don't buy into that at all. I also have to laugh when all the anti-Walker zealots blame Walker for the employment numbers that have come out. I would love to know what legislation that Walker introduced is directly responsible for the slow job growth? The guy has been in office for about a year, any legislation that he has passed, on the books for much less than that. So tell me, is legislation that has yet to have even chance to be proven effective responsible for the slow growth? If yes, I'd love to hear specifics.........I don't hear specifics, all I hear is the same crap about job creation being stunted because Walker is "dividing the state" and Walker is creating a "toxic atmosphere" which is comical, because the same anti-Walker people saying these things are railing the right when they make comments regarding businesses waiting to expand until after Walker wins the election. Businesses will expand when the markets expand. I work for one of the larger corporations in the area.......Things are picking up for us on a national level, as they do the larger corporations send work to the smaller regional and local companies and then things really start happening. While state government policy can definitely encourage investment and expansion to a certain point, the performance of the specific markets that the companies which are located in the state service are what is going to drive those job numbers either up or down. So to answer your question, No, I don't believe that at all. There will not be a massive influx of businesses coming into Wisconsin, but I do believe that Wisconsin's economic position will continue to improve provided the country doesn't fall into another recession(if you believe the current one has ended)

If these revised numbers aren't good enough for you, they will be glad to revise them again to any numbers you want for a donation of $500,000. Free kiss and hug included.

916 lets just agree that the numbers are accurate, whcih they may very well be. Dont you find it interesting all these new projections/numbers being pushed out much more quickly? I also contend that either way you calculate the numbers Wisconsin is LAST in the nation in job creation, LAST!! Are you one of the cult that really believes there will be this fictional mass influx of new businesses if Walker wins? What business is really doing that? If the market is here they would already be here, not waiting for Walker to get re-elected. He already has in place a HUGE tax break for new buinesses. So the holdup is uncertainty in this election? Hogwash!

This is a hole lot better than former Jim, the raid all departments, Doily ever did!!
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Vector......First of all, LOL for linking to a Ungar article as unbiased reporting. This guy hates Walker so much and is so delusional that he wrote an article trying to convince people that public worker pensions were not taxpayer funded.......Seriously?
Second, The numbers that Walker used, IF ACCURATE, are much more comprehensive than the numbers used by the Department of Labor. I can see the anti-Walker crowd arguing the legitimacy of the numbers, but they would have to be completely clueless to be arguing that the data/conclusions reported by the Dept. of Labor are more accurate than the data/conclusions derived from using the quarterly census.......It's not even close!

I won't believe anything released by Walker, the man lies so I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers are skewed to make him look better than a lump of dog feces.

When you're starting at "worst in America" how could new numbers be anything but an improvement?

Midnight

You really believe that Dept of Work Force Development and Bureau of Labor Statisics just making it up? What rock did you crawl out from under. The state agency works for walker, do you really believe they are making it up. If you believe that then you believe that the palm trees shown on TV by fox news during Wisconsin protests are real. Name two good things walker has done for the state of WI.

RECALL WALKER

SarahB - actually the independents who tell me these things are people I don't normally talk politics with. One close friend has several time volunteered comments about how stupid the recall is and a waste of money. We usually have different opinions (he voted for Obama) and don't get into the political thing. I am quite surprised how freely he and others express frustration with the very concept of this recall vote.

See how this looks in Forbes Magazine:

"The Governor has simply decided to ignore the system used by the Department of Labor —and every other state in the nation —to measure job growth (or loss) and elected instead to go with a different set of numbers that makes things in Wisconsin look better.

Who knew it could be so easy to solve a jobs crisis?"
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/20...

Okay, I can see the left is too blindsided to see or think straight if they think Walker is counting.
By federal law, okay? Federal law the entire work force must be counted. Not estimated with surveys of only 3%.
Too bad the left is so completely uneducated about this.
One would think that is the hopes of Democrat leaders.

All of this revising by the Governor. He's been revising data for over a year now and still doesn't have it right. I think it proves just one thing -- the Governor can't count jobs correctly!

How can the state trust a man who promises he'll create 250,000 jobs when he can't even count jobs correctly?

dtb - estimated from survey of 3% can be very wrong and usually is.
These final numbers by federal law has to be submitted by employers of all their work force.

This, of course, could help Pres. Obama in the nationwide numbers if it weren't for states like Illinois and California.

Again, Collected data vs. estimated

How do you compare that?

Maybe the same way you compare cash accounting to GAAP.
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I love the statements that say "WI could be the lowest unemployment state in the nation if it weren't for all those unemployed people"

Hey, good lookin'
Whatcha got cookin'?

The complaining left should then go back and look at the surveys. Back to the 1960's the surveys orginally that come out are always incorrect and adjusted upward. Always, they are just surveys of 3% of the work force.
These May numbers are the correct numbers and not the survey numbers.
Please educate yourselves. You look foolish.

+1 kochbros on your "job" description. If that's the case, I love coming to work:) See you at the polls fellow patriot!

Facts are facts. They go hand in hand with the 6.8% unemployment rate.
Imagine that Wisconsin could be the lowest unemployment state in the nation if it weren't for Tom Barrett and his city of Milwaukee where they have 10.4%.

Tom Barrett, do you still want to talk about jobs? You lose on that issue too.

I love reading fiction. Scotty boy is a good author.

Dept of Work Force Development and Bureau of Labor Statisics just making it up. I imagine the left also believes they were wrong when Doyle lost 151,000 jobs.

Watch for the labor explosion once Obamacare is repealed.

SarahB1. Yes, Barrett did the same thing. Only difference is she is a democrat.

kochbros......Thanks for the acknowledgment fellow patriot! I consider it more of a public service than a job though:)

sarah.......Huh?? Your comment, "To spend all of this time, energy and money on obtaining a different set of numbers tells me our governor is getting desperate." makes no sense......The numbers were based directly on the quarterly census........
Would you consider the democrats as telling a half truth by using the numbers based on 3.5% as opposed to the much more accurate numbers that Walker is using? Thanks......

Again, Collected data vs. estimated

How do you compare that?

Wislady- It is not that dems dont think this method is not accurate. It is that dems are smart enough to not believe what wanker or his highly paid political appointees say until it is actualy verified by a legitimate source.

Kochbros......Thanks for the laugh fellow Patriot! As I'm sure you know, the teachers and the public employees aren't after the wealthy either. The public employees are on your side Patriot--it's the middle class property owners who they are asking to fund their pensions and HC premiums. It would be nice if they could direct their attention toward the wealthy though!

Ah, the Janesville blog bitchers are back at it again. What a negative cynical lot all of you are.

So dems believe that ESTIMATED figures that were derived from phone survey of 3% of the businesses in Wisconsin should be valid.

(Actually, numerous months figures from the Feds were grossly inaccurate, but that doesn't make news).

But dems do NOT believe that COLLECTED DATA from over 90% of the businesses are valid.

Does that makes sense? Only in their world.

WHY do dems hate the fact that Wisconsin economy is improving?

Wanker is the only Governor in Wisconsin history and the only current Governor in the Nation with a criminal defense fund, yet some sheep continue to blindly follow him.

Wow--you can't make this stuff up! Unhappy that he has presided over the greatest jobs loss of any state in the country, the Governor tosses out the jobs calculation method used by every other state in the country, and comes up with his own! As absurd as this is, I wonder if the general media will report this attempt to change facts for what it is.

Thank you mouse. Clearly proves that Walker stopped this useage as soon as he found out about it. I may remind you that Walker requested the investigation.
Now what would you like to add about Mrs. Barrett doing the same thing.

For Fedup again: http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/stat...

analert......I totally disagree with you. There is way too much of a variance in the numbers. You're polling just 3.5% of the businesses. If the 3 out of a 100 that you hit on are experiencing difficulty--your numbers are shot. Can it give you a general idea of which way the numbers are trending? Absolutely.........but there is way too much room to move to say that the numbers when ranking job growth state to state are definitive. If you were to use a more comprehensive measure, I could easily see how states would rise and fall in the rankings when compared to rankings based on polling 3.5% of the employers. Common sense should tell you this........

The recall thing and the Barrett campaign are fast running out of steam. Conversations with independents seem to focus on the question "Why is Wisconsin wasting $20 million on these recalls? and Didn't we just have an election between the same two candidates?" The polls increasingly show a solid win for Walker. Barrett should have waited for the next regular election. Do we need yearly elections just because some groups have snit fits?

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/15160...

Walker leading by 5 points in a Democrat poll.

Kochbros....Too funny! Yep --that would definitely be the democrats method of job creation......Just add a couple of thousand jobs to the public sector.....right? We have absolutely no way to pay for it and really have no need for it, but who cares.......unemployment problem solved!!!!!

@916- There would be no data for a supposed situation. Simple common sense dictates that if ALL states use the same procedures and come up with Wisconsin being last then, if ALL states switch to the procedure that Walker is now using, Wisconsin would probably be last again. Operative words- All and same procedures.

Fedup
Your doing nothing more than repeating one of walkers ads. Get the facts before you spew off nonsense.
I'd like to know how walker is running the State of Wisconsin? Highest job loss in the Nation for the past 12 months. Most corrupt goverment in Wisconsin history. The list goes on and on. Tell me two good things walker has done for the State of Wisconsin with facts.

RECALL WALKER

How about that Scooter guy the righties are running? Highest unemployment in Milwaukee county while exec, Millions of sewage dumped into Lake Michigan from Milwaukee County, Ran for Governor on creating jobs and he still can't fix it. Walker couldnt even run a county and now you want him to run/ruin the State of Wisconsin? I don't think so.
VOTE BARRETT June 5th!!!

analert.......Please show me data to back up that claim. You have to admit that it is a much more comprehensive measure as opposed to asking 3 out of every 100 businesses if they have added or subtracted someone from their payroll......no?

@goodamerican- I just disengage with fedup's blather. Don't even bother with him.

If Kathy Nickolaus can "find" 14,000 votes, I don't see why Walker can't "find" 55,000 jobs. I'm sure the Kochs can find him a job come June 6.

From the Journal Sentinel:"At the same time, it's highly unusual for a state to release this kind of data on its own before it is reviewed and officially released by the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics. The bureau, which has received and begun to review the new 2011 data from Wisconsin, isn't scheduled to publish it until June 28, several weeks after the recall election."

How convinient Wanker's figures wont be verified until after the recall.

@916- So based on your post, if all of the states used the same accounting procedures that Scott Walker has just used, we'd still be last.

It's a miracle! Scott is just like Jesus - turning water into wine. Imagine the power - when you don't like the results, you just get to make up your own measures to make things look better.

From the Journal Sentinel.......
Job numbers are reported in different ways, based on different sources, and it's been common throughout the current recovery for different data to tell different stories.

But in this case, one set of well-publicized numbers (from the Current Employment Survey of businesses) put Wisconsin at the very bottom of 50 states in job creation during Walker's first year. These figures were based on a sample of 3.5% of the state's employers and are subject to significant revisions.

The other numbers, from the Quarterly Census, tell a more positive story, one the Walker administration is in a hurry to get out. They are based on a jobs count, not a survey. Each state gathers the quarterly census data from virtually all employers in both the public and private sectors, which are mandated to share staff and wage data as part of their tax and unemployment insurance reports. That makes it a more reliable source of employment data, state officials and many economists say.

Lets see, one account is from an objective federal source, the other is from a known liar that is facing a Recall election based largely on job loss/creation.

It staggers the mind to think that people still defend him.

Who cares is right, the recall wasn't about jobs, it was about ACT 10 so that is what I am basing my decision on.

Do you believe him, his crew can't count! Just like the damage to the Capitol's millions of dollars damage during the protest, actual numbers were 6 digit, not the 10 digit. It takes an education to be able to count. He is noted for adding zeros to figures in his favor. What about the thousands of jobs lost! His numbers are a grain of salt in exchange to jobs lost. The Bureau of Labor Statistics as of March notes Wisconsin is the only state to have statistically significat job losses over the past 12 months. Wisconsin tops job loss!
RECALL WALKER!

Dosen't everyone have two sets of books. How many people work for cash. NO TAX and NO revenue to pay the States bills.

Like nobody saw that coming

who cares.