What exactly do corporations have to do with this debate?

your argument could only make sense if you had, in fact, echoed my words. But you didn't. Instead, you did what you always do. You lied. You made upi your own words, and your own thoughts, and then pretended that they were mine. You lie so much, you seem not even to recognize when you do it. Despite your self-declared superior intellect, you really are a tiny-brain.

LOL. Then I could be more like YOU, right? That would be great. Then I, too, could take handouts from the government while hating all others who look to the government for assistance. Gee, if only I could be as smart as raf. So, do you want me to resign my membership in MENSA?

Thats the best you can do? It took no courage to echo your words, just wisdom. Like declaring your inability to discuss issues while you childishly declare items you have no understanding of...known as ignorance. In your spare time, while not discussing issues, you might want to read up on them so you can at least sound more intelligent even if your behavior doesn't reflect it.

Still living off taxpayer money and not smart enough to understand when issues are being discussed. YOU accepting a lifetime of taxpayer handouts and crying about Democratic principles IS the issue, silly flyboy. As long as you refuse to give back all the taxpayer handouts that have kept you going all your life, it will be the issue. I understand why you are too ashamed to discuss it. I also understand that you lack the courage to admit that you accused me of saying something I never said. This lack of courage is a very common trait among conservatives who live off the state.

Back from your hard day of labor and still silent on issues...imagine that.

raf has run for cover, hiding and whimpering like a little girl. Probably out at some expensive restaurant having dinner on our dime. Keep scarfing up all those governmment checks, pal.

You sure go for over-the-top contrasts RAF, comparing UW-W faculty to slaves. Obviously you don't know much about either.

Lunchtime--just thought I'd check in and see what new and untrue things raf is saying about me. And he never lets us down, does he? Here is what little raffy posted after I had gone to work this morning:
"I see more of your ignorance comes to the surface, thinking others don't work or have bosses"
WHERE, oh wisest of the rightwing nut jobs, do I EVER say that??? WHO is doing the assuming here??? What a dishonest post. I said that I am not retired, I did NOT say no one else does!! I said I have a boss--I NEVER said no one else does. raf, YOU are the only one assuming anything here, and as usual, it's something stupid. Don't post that I said things I did not say. If you can show me ANY POSTING I HAVE EVER POSTED wherein I claim that others do not have work or bosses, I'll give you everything I own. To say, "I have to go to work" DOES NOT mean, "And I'm the only one who does." You are not honest, and you are not worthy of anyone's time.

I hope they are taking the time during spring break. I would hate to have students' tuition increased for substitutes to cover the personal ambitions of these instructors.

"Walking over 40 miles is a small price to pay for freedom."
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Wow, didn't know the UWW had slaves working there...

Why would anyone have a problem with a group of UW-W professors taking the time and making the effort to WALK a letter listing their grievances regarding a budget bill to the State capital and literally handing that letter to a Legislator? Do you criticize out of fear, envy or ignorance! Do any of those supporting Walker and his budget bill even understand what is in the bill or are you simply nodding in agreement and following along blindly? Who wrote the budget bill Walker submitted to the Legislature? Here is a link to a website that offers cookie cutter legislation for Republicans: http://www.alec.org/AM/Template.cfm?Sect.... Walker’s budget bill was NOT written and designed to address the specific budgetary needs of Wisconsin. “…ALEC is launching “Restore the Balance: An Initiative to Restore Federalism in America.” This Initiative will focus on advancing ALEC’s guiding principles of limited government and federalism by providing state legislators model legislation for their states…” Walker lacks the intelligence and was too lazy to come up with his own budget plan so instead he just downloaded what he wanted from a website. Wisconsin deserves better than to have a Governor rule based on Republican dogma rather than forming objective based legislation that benefits the citizens of Wisconsin. Get the facts on the budget bill. Walking over 40 miles is a small price to pay for freedom.

I see more of your ignorance comes to the surface, thinking others don't work or have bosses. I would suspect you to return after your hard day of labor and actually discuss the issues or try to support your statements but I find that extremely doubtful. Showing my original comment made this morning, "Left wing criers like mouse and markr are good at posting words but fail miserably when asked to support any position and discuss issues...typical", was very accurate.

Yeah, well...I'm not retired, not on the dole. Have a boss and have to go to work.

Still waiting for you to discuss the issues...

crickets, crickets, crickets.

Yeah, whatever you have to tell yourself. The fact remains that you have received taxpayer money nearly all your life. As long as that is the case, your political position makes you a hypocrite.

Typical. Make statements and fail to defend them and declare things that have nothing to do with the issues at hand. Perhaps you think asking to support your statements a conflict, if so, you need thicker skin.

Yeah...well, you miss the point a lot, don't you? I used to think you did it on purpose, but now I think you really just can't get it. Don't ask me to explain the point. If you don't already get it, you never will. It's no wonder we cannot communicate with one another. You refuse to look at any statement outside the surly eye of contentiousness.

What exactly do corporations have to do with this debate?

You surely seemed to me to be defending the walker/right wing side of the argument. If I was mistaken, and you now support the American people, and the unions rather than the corporations and politicians who promise jobs but offer none, as we do, then welcome aboard.

markr your argument fails when you claim things never stated. Show where I said anyone was or wasn't entitled to anything and then ask the question again.

Until then why don't you discuss the actual issues or real comments I made about them...or is that too hard?

What I am asking, and I think you know this already (if you don't, then you really are not smart enough to understand anything) is-- How can someone who has drawn his pay all his adult life (or at least for the greater part of it), and continues even today to draw income from taxpayer dollars pretend that you are entitled to it but that others, who have also worked hard and dedicated themselves to their professions--professions which have greatly increased the quality of all of our lives as citizens--are not?

Since I pay more in federal taxes every year than I get in a pension are you claiming the government owes me money?

And when are you giving back all of the money the government has paid out to you? You keep answering all of the questions except the ones about why it's good for the taxpayers to have to take care of you all your life but bad for them to do it for anyone else.

markr your ignorance is astounding. Not only do you have no idea on taxes your ignorance further extends to what you think you know of others. All (federal) taxes are placed in the us treasury, the same link provided to you. Paying more to the government goes directly to the treasury, do you need someone to draw you a picture?

Just think raf, another week or so and your next taxpayer-funded, government-issued check will be there for you.

Those are not taxes, raffy. They are donations. Under certain circumstances, people can make donations. Taxes are specific amounts owed ON specific amounts. You're not alone--no repuke has ever understood taxes.

And when are you giving the taxpayer handouts you get back?

markr it is dishonest people like yourself that has polluted the debate. If you want to provide more money not only can you, the government has made it extremely easy for you; https://www.pay.gov/paygov/forms/formIns...

Any other comments you want to make?

Red, when are you going to support one of your many principles? You wail others need to find better paying jobs so they can afford to pay more taxes but you yourself have never voluntarily stepped up to the plate to do what you want others to do. When are you going to send in more tax money?

Left wing criers like mouse and markr are good at posting words but fail miserably when asked to support any position and discuss issues...typical.

They are just trying to make a point, although Walker hasn't acknowledged anything that anyone has said thus far, and probably wont. For those of you who may STILL think this is just about unions, this clip puts it in fairly plain terms. Let me know if it doesn't concern you...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k7F8O_5y...

Please tell us jodymac--quantify it for us, somehow. How much effort exactly are they currently putting into teaching the students, and exactly how much more effort, and of what kinds, should they be exerting instead?

jodymac--You're joking, right? Now the gripe isn't going to be that they get paid too much or have too good a benefit package, but that they are bad teachers??? They only seem like to bad teachers to people who aren't capable of learning.

For people like RAf, who hates the public dole but has been on it every day of his adult life, living off the taxpayers he so champions, sigma40, wislady, and many of the other regular spout-offs on here, it is not about saving money, or making America or Wisconsin better, it is about hating a certain segment of the population that they feel themselves to be above, and their disgust with having to share with them.

Wow Sigma, you attended one school and worked through one program and have somehow acquired the knowledge and skill set to declare "College is over rated and a joke I think."
You and Walker make quite a pair.
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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. (Aristotle)

djss44 - maybe you didn't hear, the union had agreed to wage concessions long ago, not demanding unsustainable wages and benefits, as you say. Why hasn't Walker taken a pay cut, made legislators pay for insurance (like the common middle class person you all keep talking about), and reduce their plush benefits if the state is in such need????

Why? Because he can BS people like you..

Great post, MrsLippy! College is "over-rated" by those who cannot see the value. One has to want to learn. I had teachers in college that may not have been the best, but I found ways to learn from them. And I have had many great teachers who care. I have seen students fail and blame the teacher, when the blame was really the students lack of initiative.

IMO - sounds like you just want people to do what YOU want. ME, Me, Me... you got that right!

seriously, it is the the unions that have declared war on the working middle class with their demands for unsustainable wages and benefits. The raised IRON FIST of the union is trying to silence the working class(with or without a college degree)by artificially jacking up wages and benefits beyond the means of that working class. Who pays? Us, the middle class taxpayers. Walker is only trying to stop the war the public sector unions have inflicted on the 90% of working people who do not belong to unions.

@Signa40:
I disagree. College is certainly not "over-rated," but it isn't for everyone. It's expensive, and if you don't see the lucrative or self-fulfilling means to the end, then you shouldn't go. An education doesn't make anyone better or worse than anyone else, but it makes them more marketable in the workplace and therefore more valued from an economic standpoint. There are exceptions, as with anything. I suppose if, for example, you drop out of a prestigious school such as Marquette, you are wealthy and have a lot of "connections" you can become our state governor...

Statistically speaking, (according to the US Census Bureau), the majority of people who have a Bachelor's Degree make twice as much in their lifetime than those who just have a high-school diploma. I think the stats speak for themselves.

Mouse - look for the sigma40 comedy tour soon!

sigma40 - well I see you can't respond to the fact you say you don't play the blame game, yet did just that in an earlier post. Why doesn't that surprise me?

And the typo thing was a sarcastic remark alluding to your blaming teachers for everything. LOL!

This is typical government inefficiency. Try mailing the darn thing. Even then this is the voice of some professors at UW-W not all, so who really should care? Drama, drama, drama, me, me, me, typical leftist egocentrical non-sense. Do us all a favor and go, to Panama City with the rest of the Spring Breakers!

Im at work, just maybe my union job only allows me 6 free hours out of the 8 to play online. So quick 30 second come-backs I have to work into my schedule. :)

I didnt drop out of anywhere. And this threads subject doesnt need to turn into me. (ps: I left 3 apostrophes out on purpose)....I hope people lose sleep over it. HAHA!

Good for them! Teaching at any level is becoming a thankless job... and a proper education is becoming more and more devalued.

The poor will continue to get poorer, and the stupid will continue to be... well, "stupid" and assume that the politicians who keep them that way know what is good for them. Or perhaps "uneducated" is the proper term...

There is a quiet war against intellectualism going on in this country. Then again, intellectuals are certainly not the majority, so they are powerless in the faces of the dumb masses.

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. ;)

And also.. the rich keep getting richer because they arent dumb. Duh...why wouldnt they? There is nothing stopping anyone from going out and becoming succesful. Well.. except ambition, ability, and knowledge.... for which we can each aquire what we want, when we want, and thanks to the internet we dont have to pay a dime for it.
College is over rated and a joke I think. I went through a 1 year program and found it to be a joke. Most the teachers were just relays... they relayed info from a book. I could have done the same. This was just prior to the internet. Now in other feilds i've studied online, I know Ive learned way more than could have been taught in a class on certain subjects. I was asked a couple years ago to help teach at a college. I passed because I dont believe in it. Biggest waste of money ever.

chad_vader - Is that all you got? Picking on my type-o's? I couldnt care less, welcome to the internet...hardly anyone uses puntuation on here. Probably because we all went to the crappy public schools. :) Tried texting yet? That is a whole new language. You understood me just fine so there is no point to proof read and check spelling.

silks49, I hope no one looks down on someone for not going to college. You can always learn when on life's path, it doesn't have to be in a school. But don't begrudge those who aspire to be learn more through higher education.
The problem I see is, you have to pay for insurance instead of the Billionaires who own Wally World helping out. Instead of changing that situation, you would choose to have others dragged down into the same sad situation. Meanwhile, the rich get richer and people just bitch more about getting screwed.

sigma4o - and I quote from YOU "they teach our youth. No wonder why more and more people are jobless, broke, homeless, clueless, cant manage themselves, in jail, starving, etc... Look whos teaching them....lol." (by the way, that is who's not whos. Maybe you can blame a teacher for not getting a proper edge-akashun.)

You seem to blame them for societies problems. It is the educated that are "lol'ing" statements like that. And then to deny blaming people! ...lol!

So some teachers want to make a statement, walk to the Capitol on their own time, doing a peaceful protest that hurts no one. That takes more devotion and personal integrity than you will ever have.

If you don't like paying taxes RAF, why don't you get off the public dole?

Ok I think that there are a lot of people on here who are downing people with out an education, per say college.
Cynicaleye:Just what is wrong with working at walmart or any other customer service job. It is work and we pay our taxes, but we do however have to pay for insurance and other things. I am sick of reading all this crap.. stop complaining about this. its going to happen and WELCOME TO MY WORLD..

I just do not understand why people are not getting the full picture. We have so many problems in our country, state, counties....but without good education and educators they will never be solved!! Who do you think will find a cure for cancer, MS, and other illnesses? When people finally see what is headed down the road for education it might be too late. Quit playing politics and look at the whole picture. We need good schools and good teachers. I wish people would quit disrespecting teachers. I had 5 children graduate from Evansville schools and they all had competent, interested teachers who made them want to learn more. I think when people moan about "summers off" they are just jealous they didn't choose to educate. I would rather know and respect a teacher who puts in lots of hours in the day and worries about our children than someone who works 8 hours, goes home and never worries about anyone but himself.

chad_vader - I dont play the blame game. If these teachers have problems... maybe they should be practicing personal accountability and asking themselves... What did I do? What can I do? If the only answer they can find is to walk 43 miles in the rain and cold to deliver a letter....you have a bunch of incompitent nut cases on your hands. I think they should try swimming across lake Michigan. :)

"Maybe then you could afford a modest tax increase "
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When are you going to take the lead and begin paying more in taxes red?

I hear there are some empty hotel rooms in Illinois if they need a place to walk to next...

timmothy - what do YOU do then??? Bend over or kiss their buttocks???

sigma40 - no, it is parents like you who take no responsibility and make no effort to make sure their little "angel" is paying attention in class, doing their homework, and care about an education. It's losers like you who blame others for your child's lack of education. One can't be forced to learn, one has to want to learn. Duh!

Sigma: You probably wouldn't even be talking about the UWW staff right now if they hadn't decided to walk to Madison from Whitewater. I'd say they got exactly what they wanted, attention.

scottwalkerwatch.com

Browns76- Its not the point im disagreeing with, its the means by which they are trying to prove it. Walking 43 miles in the cold and rain is no different than banging your head against the wall till you are unconscious...both which I deem acts to be ludicrous. Walking doesnt achieve anything....unless they want to burn calories.

i don't know how much the UW system has changed, but I know nationally it has always produced some pretty good students.
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my own experience out of state in grad school had a few of the UW schools represented, Madison, La Crosse, Whitewater and Stevens Point that I remember. Spread across a couple classes, there were probably 20 or so students from the UW system and we all did better than most.
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this was in the sciences and across the board the UW students were much better prepared than most of the others there. They were doing something right, I doubt it has changed much over the years, but I'm guessing it will be shortly.

Sigma, just because you choose not to talk a walk for something you believe, doesn't mean others won't. For that matter, you can just go drive around in the snow of Northern Wisconsin.

I don't think that anyone is asking your permission.
Control freak much?

Wow, it's almost hard to believe some of the ignorance I see comming from some people. This "REPAIR BILL" affects all kinds of things across the board. Not just union people( I've never been in one) but across all walks of life. Senior care badger care utility companies,ect. I have read this bill in it's entire form and ALL of Wisconsin is gonna pay dearly for the mistake made in Nov. Good luck....and I WILL protest when Walker gets to Jville for his meeting next week.

It is spring break for UW-W.

This is so much more than the union thing. Pay attention to all that is going on with this administration. You'll be upset too once this thing flies. It will affect you too, then you'll change your tune.

timothy - with you on that - except, might it be Spring Break at UW-W? It is for some school districts and not for others. Maybe this week they did not need to show up for work, so they are taking the opportunity....in which case, ok, do it on your own time, fine.

retiredat55 - EXACTLY my point. There is no point in walking 43 miles just for the sake of walking. Wasted energy and time. If they want to be heard dont do it in a stupid pointless walk.... Do something positive and put some thought behind it. Cleaning up the highways along the way would be brilliant. If it were me you were trying to reach, just walking 43 miles i'd think you were a fool. Walking 43 miles and picking up trash on the other hand i'd think you were someone worth listening to.

yep, that's what I do when my employer does something I don't like. Not show up for work and walk to his house with a letter. Works every time. Sorry folks, but you public employees are letting the unions suck you all down the toilet.

Why don't they take a bag and pick up some litter while there at it,now that would make a statement.

The miscreants are back, reveling in the class warfare being generated by their half-witted governor and his legislative stooges.

Can't believe the stupidity of most of these comments. The educational institutions in this state are going to suffer greatly because of Scott Walker and the Republicans. Apparently, that's just fine with most of you. But then Walker is a college drop out and look how successful he is. Guess you all don't see the need for an education either. Just go get a job. I hear WalMart is hiring at minimum wage.

Sigma40: It is people like this who stand up for their rights and make their voices heard. They are trying to protect what they have earned! It is people like you and half on this blog who won't stand up for yourself and just take it. This is why people get walked all over. As far as people being uneducated,jobless in jail etc. This is because the lack of parenting and guidance. NOT because of respected University Professors! What do you people have against education? Janesville you need to get out of this hell hole and see the world a little bit.

Yet some of you who have posted believe walking along the road collecting trash or heading down to your local coffee shop with with a gun strapped to your side is opportunity to remind the community about the importance of gun rights. Its stupid and foolish to speak out against actions you view as a direct threat to your livelihood?
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"If your not making enough money- find a better job."
You should take your own advice truthteller. Maybe then you could afford a modest tax increase that would eliminate the need to severely underfund our States education system. But then we all know Walkers budget bill is NOT about reducing the deficit.

The mentality of these teachers, lol..wow! and just think.... they teach our youth. No wonder why more and more people are jobless, broke, homeless, clueless, cant manage themselves, in jail, starving, etc... Look whos teaching them....lol.

That's right truthteller! We don't need good educators who care about teaching our youth in the UW system. Just because they care about the job while getting less pay than teachers at other comparable universities, they shouldn't complain. We need the lowest, cheapest costing educators we can find. Quantity over quality!

(Yeesh! I see the ignorance and selfishness never ends in these blogs)

Reading these comments shows why people need a better education and possibly even get a job.

Perfect weather for their walk!

If your not making enough money- find a better job. Can't do it can you!!

They wouldn't be in the news if they were going to mail it.

Why dont they mail it? Do they really think people are going to take them more seriously if they do foolish stupid acts? What next? Get it tatooed on themselves?