http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/19/opinio...

good post prounion.

billnewbie. those people who drank during prohibition were not criminals. they were not immoral. they were good people who wanted the freedom of choice in what they thought was a free country. thats all i want. in your blindness you must have missed my question. i played what if newbies right. lets play what if kids right. what do you think of those links i posted?? did you google cannabanoids?? what if people are dieing every day from something that marijuana could prevent?? or at least ease the pain of as they pass on?? what if god gave it to us to heal people naturally??

So are you fighting to make it legal Bill? Because we currently incracerate more people per capita than any other country int he world, over 2.2 million people, thats what the drug war has brought to the "Land of the Free." Also you need to re-read Genesis - god put everything on earth here for us, it was one of the cool things he did before he started slaughtering us.

Those people during prohibition suffered from the same kind of rationalization problem you have Kid. They bought their hooch at the local gin mill served by the nice guy bartender who wouldn't hurt a fly. They didn't want to think about who supplied the gin mill as long as they kept getting their gin just like you don't want to know who your friendly dealer gets his supply from just as long as he gets a steady supply. But you know that evil people who commit atrocities are behind your marijuana supply even if you’ve never seen them yet you buy it anyway. All your points about how marijuana is at least no worse that alcohol are moot even if true because of this. Until you can get the law changed so that you can buy marijuana legally, you will be buying it from murderers, either directly or indirectly, and you know it. Complaining that others did the same things 90 years ago doesn't justify doing it now. It makes you even more culpable than they were since you have the benefit of history, their history. You need to stop buying marijuana until it's legal, if you can convince the powers that be to legalize it. Otherwise if you continue to buy it while it is still illegal you'll be supporting and abetting murderers and their murders.

sry billnewbie but i may be developing a man crush...procede with caution. your murdering crap. lets just say you are right. lets say i buy all my pot from someone who is associated with someone who at some point has killed to conrol their territory/profit. did you ever take a history class sir?? isnt that EXACTLY what was happening during prohibition?? how did they end the 'responsible people associating with criminals' farce?? right. ended prohibition. how is it ANY dift today with pot?? i WANT to pay taxes on what i smoke. i WANT to open a hemp related business and put people to work and pay MORE taxes. but i cant. uncle sam FORCES me to the 'blackmarket' and then YOU criticize me for it. make pot equal to alcohol and allow free americans the right to choose.

there, i played 'what if newbies right'. now you play 'what if kids right'. what if i am billnewbie. what if those links i posted are only the beginning and god intended for us to use the marijuana plant for medicine and recreation...as has been done for THOUSANDS of years(as compared to the 70+ its been demonized)...what if i am right billnewbie??

billnewbie: i apologize for the amount insults i hefted your way there...but...geez...that murderer stuff is silly. beyond.

i saw that but i refused to acknowledge it. you saying i have anything to do with murderers makes you look just plain STUPID. as stupid as ive seen actually. and i thought id do the better thing and not highlight your ignorance on the subject and rather pursue an intelligent convo. but you apparently are as blind as ive seen because you repeat your murderer ignorance. 20 million americans every year smoke pot. 13 states allow patients to smoke w dr's script. lots of peeps out there dealin w murderers i guess huh. your whole tree/club/murder scenario...well i really dont know how to respond to that. its that dumb you FINALLY have me speechless. bravo.

and your hay analogy. ughhh billnewbie you are missing one pretty valuable point. and please try to concentrate on what i am saying here cuz this isnt my opinion as much as well...fact....but marijuana DOES HAVE NUTRITIONAL/MEDICAL VALUE TO HUMANS.

stop breast cancer??
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,3121...

alzheimers??
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15145917

google cannabanoids and read for a bit. THEN tell me god didnt put this plant on earth to heal people. fool.

Eat any hay lately Kid? If you did you would get no nutritional value from it and it may even harm you if you eat enough of it. However, cows do by the ton. Had any steak lately, Kid? Ever try smoking hay?

The fact is that most plants have no nutritional value to humans whatsoever, but the animals that eat those plants may. Marijuana and other such types of plants may only be eaten by other animals and not humans at all. Didn't you realize this, that not all food is meant for humans?

Too bad you didn't read everything else I wrote. You seem to have missed a salient point or two. Or do you think that wood is edible for human consumption too? Do you eat your pipe after you're done smoking your marijuana through it?

Here's the part you skipped over, just in case you can't find it.
"That's like asking why did God put trees on the earth if he didn't mean us to make clubs to beat each other to death with. God gave humanity its innovativeness and the free will to innovate even if some of those innovations are immoral, such as a drug dealer innovatively using a wooden club to beat a competitor to death. And you willingly stand in line to give these murderers money for marijuana while innovatively rationalizing that its not really your fault."

lol. thank you miss_sassy...im still hopin i hear his reply, rather than like most of these convos when i logically paint them into a corner and they just sorta disappear...

thekid3477, your Sep 13, 2009 at 9:15 p.m. post deserves a standing ovation! Good job...and btw: THANK the Big Guy...can't hurt, might help...oh and maybe He will respond. He always talks to me. (and those of you who think it's cuz I'm high, don't get it, and I can't explain it to you...)

anyway, ^5, kid!

this is loooong. but its about the BEST explanation you will read.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/11/magazine...

thanks, kid...I got out kick out of your last one also.

Wow - I just noticed a post from someone called "kellomc" (Sep 12, 2009 at 3:52 p.m.).
This person is either a) sincere, although I have NO idea what he/she is trying to say, or b) ummm... "challenged", or c) high on dope.
Here's a direct quote, for your viewing pleasure: "u used to hang with sedrick and his brother and u dont know HOW many times they got YOU in trouble". Here's another: "i dont recall ever seeing them FORCE or put a gun to anyones head and MAKING them do anything or get into ANY" trouble!!!". Good stuff :O)

billnewbie: so God put it here as food?? welcome to our side:) but do you really think that He put it here for other creatures, not humans. that doesnt even make sense. im not religous, and this would probably spark a debate w prounion an gfan as well:), but what god would seperate the usage of a plant thats part of the food chain from humans and other creatures?? ask yourself billnewbie, why did god put it in the food chain for other creatures at all?? nutrition from a weed that grows anywhere?? medicine from a weed that grows anywhere?? do other creatures instinctively KNOW to eat the marijuana plant to help with nausea?? i have no doubt. what i also have no doubt about, is that the 1st humans were not the medicine making sophisticated individuals we are today. did adam and eve have penicillin?? aspirin?? what would adam have taken for medicine if he ate a poisonous apple?? ask yourself billnewbie, is it POSSIBLE that god put a marijuana plant right there for adam to eat next?? obviously having no idea it medicates quicker if smoked, would adam take his god given instincts, like other creatures, and chew on a marijuana plant?? if god is some callous jerk who would give a food/medicine to other creatures to use, and not humans, why did he make the major side effect a 'high' euphoria?? do deer who chew on the marijuana plant for nutrition NEED a buzz?? the
THC is going to affect a deer or bear the same way it will if a human eats it. billnewbie, have you EVER, just once, thought about the possibility that i am right?? what if god DID put it here for adam to eat?? what if he DID put it here for ALL GODS CREATURES to eat as nutrition and medicine?? if thats even the slightest possibility, dont you think we OWE it to mankind to AT LEAST do a minimal amount of legitimate research and see if we can maximize the benefits of His plant?? maybe He DID put it here for us to catch a buzz and relax. god didnt give us beer. he gave us the ingredients for beer and the ability to put them togethor. He gave us pot DIRECTLY. no steps. no recipe. just eat and feel better. geez. all the sudden i feel like going to church and thanking the big guy;)

good post sd

gpaw: jackherer.com you can order THE BEST hempseed conditioner and proceeds go to support the cause.

Renegade1986: You said "what does the price going up have to do with anything?" That has already been explained. Do you know what happened during (alcohol) Prohibition? The US used all kinds of resources to ATTEMPT to stop the flow of liquor into the US. The price went up! That created a hugely profitable market, which basically put the US Mafia on the map, countless people were killed, both from gun and other violence, and also from drinking tainted hootch. Ever heard of Al Capone? Do your homework on this and that will further answer your question.
Also, on an earlier post (Sep 12, 2009 at 11:14 a.m.) you said "we should all get together and do something" which is of course true! But people working to eradicate drugs in their own city, neighborhood and family is not the same thing as having a bloated federal campaign to eradicate drugs nationally - which we all know will never happen. It all comes down to trying to legislate morality. It simply doesn't work.
The "war" on drugs is a total waste. Let me modify that, it's worst than a total waste because the overall benefit to the nation is a negative one - it does more harm than good. The drug kingpins at the top of the food chain do NOT want drugs to be re-legalized, any more than Al Capone wanted alcohol to be re-legalized. There's simply too much money to be made. Do you realize that some drug dealers no longer even bother to count their money? They weigh it, knowing that so many pounds of $100 bills is about one million dollars. Think they want that gravy train to stop? Do you think they would hesitate to kill someone who got in the way? You see, it's not that drugs are "bad", it's the fact that drugs are illegal that makes selling them so profitable. And every time the DEA or other law enforcement scores a big drug bust, they've just used our resources to decrease the supply and to INCREASE the price of drugs, thus ensuring that the market will continue to operate, now even MORE profitably.

good question Kid, but since I don't subscribe to religous views I do not know. And yes I feel the same way about alcohol, I grew up in an alcoholic family and cannot stand to be around drunk people either.

I wash my hair with hemp shampoo!

Quite right Kid, I mistook your fyi as fly.

As for your weird contention that God wouldn't put things such as marijuana on the Earth unless he meant us to get high, you do realize that marijuana is part of the food chain, that it was meant to be consumed for food, not by humans but by some other creatures. That's like asking why did God put trees on the earth if he didn't mean us to make clubs to beat each other to death with. God gave humanity its innovativeness and the free will to innovate even if some of those innovations are immoral, such as a drug dealer innovatively using a wooden club to beat a competitor to death. And you willingly stand in line to give these murderers money for marijuana while innovatively rationalizing that its not really your fault.

renegade1986 u want to say that u used to hang with sedrick and his brother and u dont know HOW many times they got YOU in trouble...well i am there cousin and i dont recall ever seeing them FORCE or put a gun to anyones head and MAKING them do anything or get into ANY" trouble!!!it was your choice to FOLLOW along and they really didnt get into alot of trouble but due to there name the JPD was always giving them a hard time harassing them and to this day STILL is and renegade if you were around them u should also know THAT!!!!

last one an im out;) glock: as for the religous peeps...they confuse me the most. they believe He had a reason for everything he gave us...but none of them can tell me the reason that He put the marijuana plant on earth. what was his intent of putting a plant on earth that gets you high, if not to get high??

glock: i care not about your religous choice. my religous reference was to his holiness mr newbie. i HAVE the respect of my family. my co workers. my friends. in fact any one that knows me and sees how i live my life. the fact that i smoke pot every day takes none of that away. and make no mistake, ALL the people i mention know i smoke pot too. when you stereotype drug users are you including those who use alcohol?? or is it just the illegal drug users you stereotype??

i didnt address flyonthewall at all. what are you looking at?? maybe more vision problems??

I used to smoke pot back in High School, then I grew up. I am not christen and am anti-pot. The kid feels only god loving people are against drug use. I just have better things to spend my money on and I like to keep my job which involves random screening, oh yeah, I like my wife and family's respect too.

billnewbie. stop. drug dealers will give free weed like banks give toasters. right, they BUY weed then GIVE it away. that would eat into the profits of the harder drug more than a toaster into future business. you are embarrassing yourself.

Hey Kid, maybe you should rub some of that smoke out of your eyes. Flyyondawal seemed to be backing you up. Or maybe you're just in a state of marijuana induced paranoia.

Did you hear that??? It sounded like a knock on the door. Quick, go flush the stash down the toilet before they break the door down! Oh wait... it's just somebody asking for Dave.

I suspect they give marijuana away now as an inducement to buy harder drugs. It's kind of like getting a toaster when you open a new savings account. It seems to work for banks, and bankers have a lot more business acumen than do drug dealers even if they don't murder their competitors (literally anyway).

fyi...i know you christian anti-potters dont typically judge people or assume the worst but it doesnt say anything about him selling pot. he got arrested for possession of marijuana, not intent to distribute. i can see how you missed that what w your vision impairment and all...

Billnewbie the article said possesesion of marijuana wich meens not enuff to be considered a seller of. people love to hear them selves talk i guess

billnewbie. tell everyone your theory on how legal weed would give these dealers something to give their customers for free, to simply lure them back for heroin. go ahead...show us your lack of knowledge on the subject. have you ever smoked marijuana billnewbie??

What do you know? Another hard drug dealer that also sells marijuana! Evidence that affirms my contention that these pushers sell marijuana as a sideline to promote harder drugs is piling up higher with every hard drug bust news item. It seems these pushers believe that selling marijuana will expand their real, more lucrative business in spite of what marijuana fans want to believe! There are none so blind as those who will not see.

freeradical :I believe Rock County got greedy for recognition and lazy and acted too fast instead of working with Dane County, the article states Sedrick was a Madison resident and Coke comes from the south (Mexico, Columbia, Florida. Texas) NOT the north (canada) , they didnt want to wrap up time and man hrs in communication with other counties and agency's and then hand the credit over to them, so they simply arrested him, pat them selfs on the back, and throw the book at him and hope he rolls over on the next guy to save him self a lil time in the hole....theres too many different agency's and counties involved so there is too much red tape......but now Rock County looks like there on the ball....but in reality there about 2 guys away from the importers packing kilo's of coke into fenders of cars and driving it up north from Mexico to Wisconsin.
simply put theres too much money in it for it to ever stop EVER :(

prounion-according to wikipedia.com
"The United States has 5% of the world's population and 23.6% of the world's prison population."

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/node/63

"According to the American Corrections Association, the average daily cost per state prison inmate per day in the US is $67.55. State prisons held 253,300 inmates for drug offenses in 2005. That means states spent approximately $17,110,415 per day to imprison drug offenders, or $6,245,301,475 per year."

wouldnt you rather spend that money on people in your community that have no homes? or Food? christmas gifts?
I just love playing devil's advocate here.
Gets everyone all hot and bothered.

good posts freeradical. i wish logic was contagious.

glock: congrats on being able to see the keyboard thru your blindness. keep workin buddy.

dr wesgonsin: im talking about making marijuana available for people who are sick and dieing and you make fun of me?? disagree with me and my use all you want but to deny people a better quality of life as they die is inhumane. i must pass on congrats to you as well for attaining the level of dr before the legal age to vote!! bravo to you doogie wesgonsin!!

I'm no druggie, I'm a parent. And I also fight misinformation with knowledge. i don't see your logic in how you are trying to reference Afghanistan when the drug problem we're facing happened AFTER we declared war. On terror. I realize you are in a roundabout way saying I'm some sort of terrorist, if I were to "support" them. You sound like and anit-drug commercial I've seen. Very original.
I spend a little bit of time every week giving my opinion and listening to others,debating. That's the only fact, JACK.

We spend over $24,000 per person per year for the over 2.2 million people we have in prison. We are far and above the leader in the world for per capita incarceration rates. Land of the Free.

free radical, obviously a druggie, what do you not understand about the fact that Heroin comes from Afghanistan? and that purchasing heroin supports terrorism. And no, the other comments were NOT ment as a joke. Drug addicts do not care much about anything else including personal grooming.

lol what does the price going up have to do with anything? That's a good things jack the prices through the roof until mother cannot afford it. I know a guy who only dealed to one couple and made a thousand a week. How exactly do you think that effects that home? He no longer deals to them and the reason is...they lost their income, house, and last thing I heard about to lose their children. Drug abuse destroys homes. Alcohol abuse destroys homes. We can all sit here and pretend we know more than one another but collectively we could make an effort to help these families even if we start with the kids.

Glock-so I'm not sure what you mean by going into afghanistan and-wierd-we suddenly have a explosion of their drug in our youth and nation?

And you ranting about "non-bathing... terrorist supporting druggies " is a joke,right? Tell me those aren't real words you put in your own sentence to prove a point. Tell me that you're using that it as a joke, not as the most stereotypical close-minded remark I've heard this year to date.

renegade- the fear of getting caught is an outside factor for the "supply and demand" problem. If you get in trouble with it, the people who dont are going to charge you more money. It directly affects the supply and demand system. Harsher restrictions,sentences?Price goes up.

Good going JPD, i am glad you are working hard to get drugs off the street. Drugs are illegal, get over it, you non-productive, non-bathing, terrorist supporting drug users. Yes I said terrorist supporting. Heroin is making a huge comeback and it is coming over from Afghanistan and the money is going to al-queda and other terror organizations, so keep killing US service men and women by supporting illegal drugs. LOSERS.

thekid3477? I have an idea. Go hit that bong and get all stoned. Then go to the hardware store and buy some really groovy spray paint, along with two big sheets of poster board. Make one of them signs that hangs on your shoulders, so you can patrol the Courthouse grounds and deliver your message. Wear a three-pointed jester hat, the kind with the bells. Mabey give some free samples to little old ladies, while your at it.

flyyondawl I agree, but also don't you think that they may have been doing what you suggest?
It's possible they busted him after watching him for a month, so that they can put pressure on him to crack(no pun intended) and spill the beans on the dealer he's got. They can put weeks worth of his schedule they've been watching in front of him and say"we can work with you, now tell us what we need to know. There's no need to go to jail for all this, we can make it go away."
(which is also a lie. Law enforcement officers are taught to lie and stretch the truth in order to obtain the information needed to make a connection to a case or arrest.)

Not saying you're wrong, just saying take that idea and run with it. =)

When I was younger I was around this guy and his brother. I couldn't tell you how many times they got me into trouble. It's unfortunate that he took this route but if you saw how cocky he was you would relize how necessary being busted is for him to change. Crack is everywhere in and around Janesville we are known for it. I've sat at dealers houses and seen everyday "successful" people come in and purchase crack. I think that the war on drugs is not a lost cause. If it wasn't for the fear of getting caught what would stop you from dealing? Obviously making 5 thousand a week sounds pretty good if you don't care what happens to your customer base. I believe that instead of sitting around talking about ways to solve the problems we should all get together and do something. There is so much heartbreak in this city and sometimes sadly good people turn to drug use. We can do something about it, someone has to.

for those who care. Rep. Mark Pocan (D-Madison)is going to introduce the jacki rickert medical marijuana act soon. it is being drafted now. there is a hardcore group of people associated with WI chapter of NORML, national organization to reform marijuana laws, who have visited over 70 reps to lobby for the JRMMA. i joined them on wed to meet w my reps. marijuana IS medicine. thats not debatable and even ucle sam acknowledges that. its just a matter of whether the state recognizes it as medicine or not. we OWE a better quality of life to the citizens who are sick or dieing in this state/country. if you want to know who jacki rickert is please email me and i will get you some info. PLEASE TAKE A MINUTE AND CALL YOU REPRESENTATIVES TO ASK WHERE THEY STAND ON THE JRMMA AND THAT YOU SUPPORT THE JRMMA.

who are your legislators....
http://www.legis.state.wi.us/w3asp/waml/...

Ole Sedrick here was a full blown street level dealer 22 grams of coke is dealer not a user, a user typically may have 1 to 3.5 grams on them, My only Problem is that Rock County probly ended the investigation there, or a some one wanted credit for the arrest so they could say, hey look were doing a fine job. But a 21 yr old with that kind of connection to get a ounce ?, there is a couple way bigger fish out there, and they arent too far away from Sedrick if he's running around with an ounce of crack on him ! and i also believe it would have been worth watching where ole Sedrick went for a month or soo before setting the hook.....Nice try any way Rock County:(

gpawcat
you think one bust every other week for some petty cash and a car repays the scores of officers that work day in day out 3 shifts?
Sounds pretty unlikely.
If you're trying to justify the war on drugs as a great money making scheme...you might want to realign your perceptions.
Thank the war on drugs for having far less sex offenders, murderers and violent criminals on the streets!
O,wait....

gpawcat: Are you in law enforcment? Who is this "WE" you refer to?

rational thinking adults dominating the posts again. bravo.

The "war" on drugs is insane. It's all about more government control and spending. It will never be over, and the more money spent on drug enforcement, the more that will need to be spent because it just keeping upping the street price, thus upping the ante and making drug distribution more profitable and more dangerous. It's like the gambler that keeps gambling to win back all that she's already lost, and in the process, loses everything. Or, as Dr. Phil says, "How's that workin' out for you"?

justaguy - alliebaba answered most of the question. I'll add the U.S. spends $50 billion a year on the war on drugs, and by everyone's account, the war was lost a decade ago. If the U.S. took just a fraction of the $50b and spent more on drug treatment centers, we'll all be much better off. Also, 50% of all gun crimes are drug related. If we ended the prohibition on most drugs, taxed them, our society would be safer, and richer.
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To prove that case, during a different prohibition, the one on alcohol, violent crime rose by 100% and the mafia gained their foothold. When the government ended prohibition, violent crime dropped to previous levels. They rose again when the federal goverment stepped up their war on drugs in the 70's and 80's.
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Cafferty at CNN thinks the war on drugs is insane http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/31/c...
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There's even a law enforcement group of 10,000 formed to end the prohibition
http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

WE are making money off of court fines, and confiscating property and cash used in the commission of a crime. Unless there is a big lien on the car, we just got some new wheels. I just wonder how much cash he had on him?

carl: not a clue what your talking about, am I lost or are you babbling?

lovemycountry: Well maybe we should just let them all keep selling and not bother them? and maybe we should start teaching our kids drugs are good for you and will help you go far in life? You sound like one who gives up, or do you just like to piss and moan about stuff?

when it was not what he was caught with how can they charge him within the school boundries

And is this true from 1 blunt to 22 grams of rock hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Oh good, they caught someone using law enforcement resources. Now only 1,000 dealers to go while the drugs keep flowing.

What happened with being within 1000' of a school violation?