Again, aren't those offended at the thought of their mascot changing names as "silly" as those offended by the name.
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Aren't both sides being hypocrites.

whythink: If we did things so everyone felt welcome and no one was offended many things would not get done or decisions made. You can't please everyone. Having a minority voice is fine but not all things should be done because a minority vote wants it that way. If minority opinion should rule then Obama shouldn't be the president and McCain should be.

The Indians I've talked to are not offended by these mascot and team names, nor am I.

This is another example of what post-American America has become; a nation of offended people who seek empowerment through becoming a member of the now highly exalted victim status.

Often, this controversy about American Indian mascots and team names begins on a college campus when a marxist professor "teaches" the students of how evil the White Man has been and still is. The "crimes" of the White Man are discussed at length and it is determined that all will be well with the world when these people are able to dictate to someone else how to talk or how to behave or how their teams should be named.

Perhaps a name gets changed, perhaps it does not. But what does result is that a group of "activists" get to parade themselves around as those who fought against this horrible wrong, this "offensive" team name. They are now holier than thou, even though the world is no different than before, it is only in their own minds.

whythink: oh and I almost forgot, did you read my earlier post? I explain there that I have had the pleasure of speaking to thousands of Native Americans about this nickname issue and not one of them was offended...many were honored that we "white-men" would think of them so highly as to give them a honorable status in such a place as a public school, professional sports team etc...again this is just my opinion on it, but if the majority of the people (native americans) have no objection to it, then let it be. If it was truly a offensive thing then by all means change it, but a term such as redman is not in my mind in not degrading (again please read original post where I describe why this is)

whythink: It may just be me, but my wanting to keep a school nickname/mascot is important. You see all through my years at Milton I was proud to be a Redman(high school) and a Raider (middle school). To me changing the names was kinda slap in the face. I felt like I had lost something...I know in the grand scheme of things it is very minor, but all the same to me it was important. That was part of my history and silly as it may be I miss it.

Question: Why are some so attached to these mascot names staying the same?
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What principle or value would cause you to fight over and even insult those who want to change a high school or college or even professional mascot?
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I am fans of many different teams and their mascot has NOTHING to do with it. If it changed tomorrow it wouldn't bother me.
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If I knew it offended someone I would want it changed. Please, explain this strong connection to your high school mascots name.
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Explain how your value system puts the name of a mascot over how others feel.
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Help me understand.

2levelheaded
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Isn't the idea behind a democracy is to have the minority voice heard.
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What happened to this country? What has happened to the individuals on these blogs?
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The ME ME ME attitude is sad. How about we all work hard to make sure everyone feels welcome and nobody is offended?
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Maybe I am to idealistic but if I ran a company or school district and found out a decision from the past offends even one person AND there is a fairly easy solution to eliminate what offends that person, I would make the change.
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Why does everything have to be so politically correct? Because it offends a few people? Let's stop letting the minority rule over the majority. Let them keep their name.

-Baggerlvr -"Maybe we should make all of the logos vegetables. Imagine....Parker "cabbages", Craig "Cauliflowers", Milton "Carrots", etc. Makes one wonder what those doing the complaining don't complain about?"...

It can't and won't be done... Parker is Green ,, so it would have to be "Green Beans" and Marshall is red so it would have to be the "Cherry's".. I would not even think of what Craig would be... (Sarcasm)...

I guess those of us who harvest corn are going to sue the University of Nebraska next.

good- i dont see the problem with these indian mascotts- you should be proud of this not I am not sure the term but demeaning i think they have mentioned..
the janesville country club used to have golf outing Squasippi day- they thought it was demeaning towards women to call them squa. Whatever. womens lib or what???????

ME IS SPARTAN!!!!!!!

Are the natives complaining? Probably not.

sorry for the spelling errors, my keyboard is sticking and the spell check froze up on mee...must be a yahoo issue with that?? Please don;t send out the spelling police.

Once again I have mention tht the term "redman" is infact a term the Native Americans use to decribe their culture. Many follow the "red path" which is their term for following their native religous beliefs. If you look at their medicine wheel it shows the four nations/colors of man..the white, yellow (asian), black (afriacan american) and the red (for themselves !!!)
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Also as I stated before I HAVE personaly talked to thousands of Native Americans (that is the term they used) and asked them this very question. not one even objected! Among those I have talked to were Chiefs and medicine men/women. They all agreed this controversy was nonsense.
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Let the school keep the nickname. For heavens sake had we excluded them, you would hear a uproar too. It is not like w are calling them scalpers or anything like that. Redman is a perfectly good "PC" term.
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By the way I am a proud 1988 grauate of MIlton...and will always consider myself a REDMAN

I'm not offended by Whitemen. Anybody else offended by Whitemen?

Ok, what part of "Redmen" isn't rascist? Of course it isn't offensive to a bunch of back stabbing pale faces. They could change their name to the Drunk Irish, Stupid Pollocks or Fightin' Nazis. Look it perpetuates a stereotype. Change it to the warrior class of the dominant ethnic population of the district; you have the Celts, Vikings, Spartans, Calvary, Cowboys, anything but Redmen.

For the MLB you could have the Altanta Roid Ragers. I don't know if I would have MLB as my example of quality behavior.

At various public hearings, how many American Indians are citizens of that particular school district?
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Exactly! If Native Americans have nothing to do with the district why fight the change?
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No reason to continue offending one person if "Redman" have nothing to do with a district.
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Think about it...One side is offended and I don't get why, meanwhile the other side refuses to change and avoid being offensive for really no good reason other than...It shouldn't be offensive, it is just political correctness, etc...
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A bunch of elementary school arguments if you ask me.

I don't understand why the Pro sports teams aren't accused of being offensive to the Native American culture. I.e. Washington Redskins, Kansas City Chiefs, Atlanta Braves, Cleveland Indians (just to name a few). Isn't it all about the "big show" and the publicity, why do High Schools have to be picked on?? -MILTON REDMAN ALUMNI Class of 1997

At various public hearings, how many American Indians are citizens of that particular school district? Why is this even an issue that must be addressed at the state level? I'd really like to see a survey of who is offended by American Indian names and logos, true numbers.

Would these same people be offended with area businesses having Indian names? How about the unincorporated area called Big Foot bordering the Illinois state line on Hwy 14?

Signed,
A Big Foot High School district taxpayer
(School name to honor Chief Big Foot of the Potawatomi Indian Tribe)

The school board and the state should be more concerned about the unofficial nickname the high school has among it's students: (Galesville) G (Ettrick) E (Trempeleau)T
"GET High" That would be more troubling to me than a bunch of political correctness crusaders.

Maybe we should make all of the logos vegetables. Imagine....Parker "cabbages", Craig "Cauliflowers", Milton "Carrots", etc. Makes one wonder what those doing the complaining don't complain about?

Keep up with the REDMAN fight. Class of 1994 Milton REDMAN. My Grandfather was also class of 1933 Milton REDMAN.

Does it offend you that the story uses the term "American Indian" vs. the more appropriate "Native American"? I do find these mascots offensive in many instances, especially the name "Redmen" ... would others tolerate names such as "Blackmen," "Yellowmen," etc.?

there is absolutely no reason to change these school mascots,some people just sit around and think of things to complain about,and before the wining starts,and it will(lol)i am part native american.im so tired of people putting others in categories due to their race,always hearing people somebody is doing them wrong or disrespecting them in some way,for goodness sake take a look around you and be thankful for what you have,and that your not in the position that some folks are.i wish all i had to worry about is that some school is using my name or heritage for their football team.im glad they didnt make them change and they shouldnt make any other school either.

I should file a lawsuit against Parker High School for their Viking logo. I'm totally offended by their implication that us Nordic people were violent, even though we were. After I've won that case I'll partner up with PETA, and go after that Marshall Cardinal, and Craig Cougar I've loathed for so many years.

GO REDMAN...keep up the fight.
Also a Milton Alumni

Keep fighting...

Good for Tremp. school district, freedom still has a slight-edge in the western part of Wi. Hold tight...signed...Milton Redman Fan.