mhm, ya, whatever you that think that Mr.Dade did nothing wrong,
look at these, then get back to me!(idk how to make links work, so...
...copy and paste...)

http://home.ama-cycle.org/amaccess/laws/...

http://www.legis.state.wi.us/statutes/St...

PS: Both motorcycle victims are still scared from this crash. Lisa has plenty of metel polls in her arm and leg

Reading these comments make me so upset. You have no idea what this family is going through now with all the injuries. An accident is something that happens "on accident". Nicholas did not, that is right did not STOP! There was a STOP sign there for a reason and he did not STOP!!!!! That is not an accident. That is something he chose to do and now he needs to realize what he has done to this family and pay for it. Stopping for a stop sign is a law in Wisconsin, wearing a helmet is a choice in Wisconsin. Nicholas broke the Law, not the motorcycle riders.

In addition, for someone to cause THIS much damage like Lisa received, her leg, her arm, her skull, her orbital areas (that’s her eye), both cheeks, both jaws and her nose...and for Mike to have head injuries, this kid should live with this for the rest of his life...

Actually I am a friend of the people who were hit and the person who hit them specifically TOLD the police he had no intention of stopping. SO before we defend this guy let's take a look at that...yes he does deserve to be charged ane heavily.

flatstanley
Mar 18, 2009 at 3:08 p.m.
Suggest removal I am a long time friend and former employee of the severely injured woman/mother of 6 on "the bike". And to “whatithink” and others, I would like to respond – from what you heard, Nick worked hard in school, got excellent grades and one of the few young men who stayed in scouts to become an Eagle Scout and the “people on the motorcycle are unfortunate victims of the accident”- hmmmm…According to public records, Mr. Nicholas A. Dade just recently pleaded no contest to operating a vehicle without carrying a license. In fact, 5 weeks and 2 days to the day my friend was airlifted to the trauma center at University Hospital Madison to be exact. Now think about it…why would a police officer want or feel the need to stop anyone for operating without a license? How would he/she know someone was not carrying a license in the first place? Could he have caught the eye of the officer for a different reason? Perhaps he was not using his "good life skills" when he saw red lights on the squad behind him. According to public court records, “our Eagle Scout” was actually picked up on 1/16/09 for speeding. Seems he was driving 16 – 19 MPH over the posted limit of 55 MPH. In fact to be precise, he pleaded guilty due to a no contest plea so the charge could be amended to operating without carrying license. I’m angry that there was no helmet on either head of my friends, but right now what seems to be a bit more significant is that two of the 4 received breaks. Mr. Dade was given a break by the Walworth County Court system which was over and done when he handed over $186.00 of his money; Lisa’s breaks were a bit more involved - her leg, her arm, her skull, her orbital areas (that’s her eye), both cheeks, both jaws and her nose. That will probably run more than $186.00 and a bit more drawn out and painful.

How's sitting in your home right now watching tv. talking on the phone. sitting on the computer...unless your out driving without your licensed still those are probably the things you are doing. these victims are in the hospital, unable to move, talk, work, hug and kiss their family's. They didn't do anything wrong. they were not speeding or running stop signs, just enjoying what many other Wisconsinites do on beautiful days, ride their bike. what you did was shameless,and how you are acting now is heartless. you should be put in jail, but my guess is your hoping your lawyer daddy can get you out of trouble.
have a nice day.

No lynch mob, simply disgust with people who "no the driver of the offending car". Seems like if you're a "nice" guy, everyone should just assume it was this teeny weeny little "oops" on his part.

From : http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/seat_...

Data suggests that education alone is not doing the job with young people, especially males ages 16 to 25 ­ the age group least likely to buckle up. They simply do not believe they will be injured or killed. Yet they are the nation's highest-risk drivers, with more drunk driving, more speeding, and more crashes. Neither education nor fear of injury or death is strong enough to motivate this tough-to-reach group.

And I didn't have to search very hard to find this!

Gee, I wish I was perfect like most of you in here.
Heaven forbid I get into an ACCIDENT!!!!! and have a lynch mob after me.

Nm, that link didn't work.

MILTON AVENUE AND KETTERING STREET, Janesville, at 10:09 a.m. Tuesday, a car driven by Nancy M. Field, 62, of 510 Golden Lane, Milton, collided in the intersection with a vehicle driven by Steven H. Glass, 46, Fort Atkinson. Field is suspected of failing to stop at a red light. Field was transported to a local hospital, but her condition this morning was unknown.

bluesparklydust
Mar 18, 2009 at 7:28 a.m.
Suggest removal

http://www.gazettextra.com/news/2009/feb......

Scroll Down to accidents. Older adults make mistakes too.

...I hope all you people in the glass houses either have drapes...or dress in the basement.

Hmmmmm...........
..."the person who caused the accident automatically deserves to be treated like someone who is a totally irresponsible person with no regard to other people's safety."

My thoughts exactly!!!

From what I've heard, Nick has worked hard in school to get excellent grades and he also is one of the very few young men I know of who stayed in scouts all the way up through becoming an Eagle Scout - the highest level in scouting. Doubt that =s "stupid kid". Quit buying into the victim mentality being sold to us these days in our society, people. Yes, the people on the motorcycle are unfortunate victims of this accident, but that doesn't mean that the person who caused the accident automatically deserves to be treated like someone who is a totally irresponsible person with no regard to other people's safety. Even the smartest, nicest, most caring people in the world make mistakes, including split decision stupid mistakes. If he did only slow down at the stop sign and roll through, yes - that would make it a "conscious decision" - that was a mistake to make. If he didn't see the stop sign, it could still be a mistake - like if it was because he wasn't paying close enough attention. If there was something blocking his veiw of the stopsign somehow though, maybe it wasn't even a mistake, but a totally unforunate event where every one involved was in a bad place at that given moment in time. Let's say he did make a conscious decision though - that was a mistake. If so, it was a bad mistake, he will pay the consequences as the law sees fit, and he'll likely never forget all the awful feelings he probably is having, given that there are injured people as a result of HIS mistake. If I'm wrong about how he may feel, I would rather be wrong in assuming he feels bad as opposed to assuming he thinks what he did is no big deal. I chose to believe in people more than a lot of you seem to. I don't think anyone who wrote in defense of him meant to imply this was "no big deal". I think they are just trying to say he doesn't deserve the extreme accusations some of you are making. Nick doesn't deserve anything more or less than anyone else who was at the wheel of an accident like this one. He may very well feel like he deserves anything he gets for all some of you know. The people who were on the motorcycle might even be more forgiving than some of you are.

yikes well i guess the comments will be disabled shortly good luck to all and have a good night

i guess since you have never ever in your entire life blown a stop sign that makes your perfect, well that is good, i guess there does have to be one person in the entire world that sees themselves that way and thinks other people are not aloud to make mistakes to learn from. Young people are not the only ones who blow stop signs or cause accidents, i have seen plenty of older experienced drivers do it heck one hit me and caused me back damage for the rest of my life so i think just summing it up as he is a careless young person is not right, what you say if he was older and did what would you complain about

Shaner... so you are a friend of this perp... good for you! So you had the same driving instructor as this kid? How does 5 years of driving experience compare to 30plus years of experience?

I drive the interstate everyday and have for 20+ years. Its the stupid kids like this one (and you too probably...) that seem to think they are indestructible. An accident? No... he CHOSE to blow that stop sign. He was in "a hurry"... That is a difficult intersection for the locals, how did he figure he was beyond reproach because he is young and in a hurry? I have NEVER blown a stop sign!!!

For the bikers who were injured... At that time of day... 2:30 on a beautiful Sunday afternoon... they were probably taking the bike out for the first time of the upcoming season. To have my Sunday afternoon destroyed by some stupid kid that decided to blow the stop sign ... shucks, so sorry for ya, a bit of glass in your arm???

So glad he's a "nice" kid... like I said before... I hope they sue the pants off of him and pull his license. There are consequences for negligence, especially when you injure someone.

This was NOT a mistake... it was a CONSCIOUS decision!!!

to blunder in the choice of <mistook her way in the dark>
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to blunder in the choice of <mistook his way at a stop sign> ITS A MISTAKE

Mistake:
transitive verb
1: to blunder in the choice of <mistook her way in the dark>
2 a: to misunderstand the meaning or intention of : misinterpret <don't mistake me, I mean exactly what I said> b: to make a wrong judgment of the character or ability of
3: to identify wrongly : confuse with another <I mistook him for his brother>
intransitive verb
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Crime:
1: an act or the commission of an act that is forbidden or the omission of a duty that is commanded by a public law and that makes the offender liable to punishment by that law ; especially : a gross violation of law
2: a grave offense especially against morality
3: criminal activity <efforts to fight crime>
4: something reprehensible, foolish, or disgraceful <it's a crime to waste good food>

Which do you think fits this situation?

heavan forbid anyone ever make a mistake because i guess we have a room full of people who have never made a mistake in their entire life.

shaner you are showing your youth and your ignorance.
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Heaven forbid you or one of your children should ever be the victim of a senseless crime.
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And yes, running a stop sign is a crime

Why should you wear helmets, maybe just in case anyone who is riding a bike crashes for any reason at all and it could save their life. why do you think it is okay not to wear a helmet while riding a bike? People who drive cars have to wear a seat belt because it can save their life why should it not be the same for bike riders?

Shaner, are you suggesting we punish the guy riding the motorcycle because he was not doing anything illegal? That tv argument makes no sense to me. Why should we wear helmets again? Is that so when you pull out in front of me and I end up strapped to a wheelchair eating out of a tube so you don't get charged with murder? I would hope that everyone I know would have huge problem with that. It already happened and no one can go back? Give me a break.

my goodness, what little faith i had in humanity crumbles before my eyes as i read these comments.

here's a secret everyone: we ALL break traffic laws. you've never sped up at a yellow light because you're in a hurry? no, of course not, your perfect, and could never, EVER make a mistake.

nick did. he's human. you've made mistakes, too. most likely, the consequences weren't as severe. But you're right, let's go to nick's house as an angry mob, pitchforks and torches, the whole shebang! and then let's kill him, because we need safety on the roads, and nick is clearly out for blood whenever he gets behind the wheel

Not even drunk drivers WANT or INTEND to get behind the wheel and kill someone but it happens all the time which EVERYONE would agree is thoughtless and selfish, why do dd do this? they don't think anything will happen. I'm not saying the guy should go to jail or anything like that but come on, people should get on the road thinking a little more then this boy did. No one gets in there car intending to hurt someone and I'm sure this guy didn't either but he was being stupid and not thinking about different outcomes that COULD happen from his actions and this happens. I do agree that if it's a law to wear seatbelts it should be a law to wear helmets. but not everyone has ran a stop sign I haven't and running a stop sign doesn't SOUND like a big deal but obviously is. I'm not gonna come down on any involved but it's obvious he could have done differently to prevent such happenings BUT it already happened no one can go back so all we can hope for is that this guy learned his lesson and is more careful when he gets behind the wheel. Accidents are accidents and alot of accidents CAN be prevented if we choose to be more careful not all the time though.

Of course it was not pre-meditated.
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There was, however, a conscious decision made without regard to the possible consequences.
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That, and only that, is what I have a problem with.

benneton- I hear what you are saying, but honestly do you believe that this person blew through a stop sign on purpose to injure someone? You also act as though something like this would never happen to you because "accidents" must be someones fault. Do I think the driver should be held accountable? Of course, but no - I do not view this acident as cause for jail time etc..If everyone involved in some sort of accident had license revoked and jail time etc... There would be very, very few people left anywhere.

WOW!
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All that experience.
All that wisdom...

If I told my child do not walk there (i.e. STOP) because you may trip a wreck the TV, and they did it anyway AND wrecked the TV, YEAH, we would have an issue.
Pull your head out of the sand shaner.
It's called accountability. The sign said stop.
He did not.
What if you were laid up in the hospital with serious injuries because someone "blew thru" a stop sign? No harm, no foul? I think not.
Accountability. Look it up.

and when will it be serious enough for bikers to ALWAYS wear a helmet

i don't think there is really a comparison to drunk drivers and sober drivers

I'm glad to see there is a small amount of ownership built in to your last comment. How severe do the injuries have to be before a fine for blowing a stop sign becomes attempted vehicular homicide or murder? Why are drunk drivers charged with vehicular homicide if they kill someone? Shouldn't they just get a fine and go on their merry way?

Shaner, Why do you continue to try and make it ok for someone you know to disregard traffic laws and put people's lives in danger? Where in your comments do you say that people need to take responsibility for and be held accountable their actions regardless if you know them or not? It's thinking like yours that puts all drivers lives in jeopardy, not just bikers.

I dont think anyone is jumping on anyones side -Shaner.. To me this reads as an accident, from all that is reported..I think any driver at some point has done this unintentionally. However there does need to be more awareness with motorcycles now becoming more and more popular. Statistics state that 2/3 of vehicle-verses motorcycle accidents are cause by the vehicle. A visual thing that has to do with the the vehicle driver.

Lets review:
Motorcycle with the right of way.
Car facing a stop sign.
Driver CHOOSING not to stop.
How is this an accident?

Shaner, What is your point? Should bikers wear helmets? Should rocks be prosecuted? Should people wear seatbelts? You hate lunch ladies? There should be age limitations for prosecuting unsafe drivers? It's ok to blow through (or roll through) stop signs? Please address your nonsensical ramblings so my little biker mind can comprehend them.

Again I am sorry for all involved it is sad, scary and an accident. Again if alcohol was involved this would be a completely different blog, yes a lot of you are mean as I have stated before haters. My god it was an accident again drive down Milwaukee Street at 7:30 am. The gray mini van that has to do 45 to get ahead one car length then slam on his brakes to turn left. The red Saturn Aura who has to be in the right lane doing about 40 weaving in and out until you must to turn right. Then cuts me and others off to get in the left lane and run the stop light to go down the hill just to turn left before anyone else.

As for punishment yes, he should get a ticket for not stopping, and yes, there will be a lawsuit as this is the American way. I am not saying not sue as there will be many medical bills and loss of wages but please remember these are people who are sorry and do have feelings unless you walk in their shoes do not just assume they do not care about this accident.

Is it possibly that maybe AGE has something to do with it?
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i agree with this if he was not a younger adult would this even be an issue since you can't bash him for drinking and driving, what would people do if he was a grown man who did this.

The intersection is partly at fault. There are two stop signs - The first one looks like it's for straight ahead and left turns and it is back at least twenty feet or so from where 18 goes across Y. You can't see traffic to the right much at all because of trees and a large construction sign and the stop sign being back so far. The second stop sign and the line painted on the road look like it's for right turn traffic (Makes you think it's two lanes right at the intersection). People need to remember not to pull out from any intersection unless they can see clearly both ways regardless of how the signage is set up. As motorcyclists we need to treat every blind intersection and any car at all intersections like someone is going to pull out in front of us. We won't win a battle against a car regardless of whether a person was a teenager, a blue hair or something in between. Lack of common sense, safety and respect for other drivers (regardless of their mode of transportation)affects all of us. This includes contractors, realtors and politcos for placing huge signs to close to the road, property owners for blocking views at the corner with fences, trees etc. and counties or municipalities for not enforcing set back ordinances as well as drivers of vehicles. No amount of money can take the place of a family member or friend or make up for a lifetime of pain and suffering or make up for the mental pain of you killing or maiming someone for life. If it can for you, you shouldn't be on the road.

This seems to have been an accident.. The definition of the word accident is an occurance that happens without intention etc.. This sounds as if it was a horrific accident, yet any person stating otherwise sounds foolish-to me.. We have all pretty much had a scare here or there in our driving careers. I have driven for 28 years, and last year I nearly caused a terrible accident on the interstate making a simple lane change just because for a split second- I did not see the car in the other lane..We also have all been in our cars at one time or another and have not paid full attention to whats going on.. With the spring/summer on its way and "Harley Season" right around the corner- I have decided for me that its time for a helmet..Might help, might not- but it just seems to make more sense.. Hope the injured heal quickly!

There's no point in arguing, since you all are perfect drivers. You're opinions won't change and neither will mine, so there's really no need to continue on in this dispute. Keep your harsh words to yourself, and not on the internet. As for me and my comments, I was simply combating the ill words and statements made towards the driver.

Yes, I do have a bad sense of distance. But I too, am not a perfect driver. Shame on me.

No... we don't ALL blow stop signs! I NEVER choose to ignore a stop sign!

I don't understand why so many people seem to think defending this kid is "right". He broke the law. As mforeyt said, if he had killed them, he would be in jail. And so what, that their was no alcohol involved... He consciously chose to break the law.

He's not off the hook yet either. These two victims are not out of the hospital. Hope Daddy has a top notch insurance policy on his kid. He's gonna need it!!!

In the end of this situation, the driver of the car is very lucky that these two riders survived. He could very easily be sitting in jail right now being charged with vehicular homicide. The fact is....the driver of the car was negligent in stopping at a stop sign. He was obviously at fault here, and I can't see the driver of the motorcycle having done anything wrong in this situation. The fact that neither one of the riders were wearing a helmet is a choice that they now have to deal with. If we all say that we've run stop signs before and it is not a big deal....that's because nothing happened as a result of it!

It's a wicked intersection in the middle of nowhere. This isn't the first horrible accident at this location. There was an other one in November.

mdwilson, do you realize how stupid you sound ending everything you say with 14 exclamation marks?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why were you driving so close? You shouldn't be. How could you tell just by looking at them how fast they were going? I don't think you have a radar in your car now do you? I believe my friends. Why are you so hateful towards my friend? I'm sorry had to see that, but it happens.

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bluesparklydust - Do you have any sense of distance? 40 feet behind another vehicle in an area that is 45 mph is NOT driving too close! I do not see where you think mdwilson hates your friend either. From what I can see, mdwilson had another point of view in this accident and is giving her side of what she saw......just the same as you are giving your friends side of the story.

Regardless of whose fault it was, I have to agree that helmets need to be worn-- for the mere fact that we cannot control the other drivers, wildlife, elements, etc. How many times have we heard that there's been a motorcycle accident (or bicycle, or whatever) and a helmet would've saved lives? Yes, if helmets were studied to save lives of automobile drivers, like seatbelts do, I probably would wear one.

Why were you driving so close? You shouldn't be. How could you tell just by looking at them how fast they were going? I don't think you have a radar in your car now do you? I believe my friends. Why are you so hateful towards my friend? I'm sorry had to see that, but it happens.

bluesparklydust....Your friends can tell you what they want!!!I was not more than 40 feet behind them!!!I did not need to be in their car to know what was done or not done!!!I never said that it was not an accident, BUT not paying' attention and running a stop sign (NOT SLOWING DOWN, like you said) is not acceptable!!! You were not there, you did NOT see what I had to see, it was horrible, and heart breaking. I hope you will never have to witness something like that!!! I will not give out anymore info or the play-by-play, The police have both mine and my husbands info and our reports of what really happend!!!!!

Reading these comments, have made me realize how sad humanity is. Why all the negativity? The motorcyclists are ok. He wasn't drinking. He just didn't see the guy. Chill out. I've almost pulled out in front of a motorcyclist too because I didn't see him. Not because I'm irresponsible, and don't know how to drive, but because I didn't see him. It's not that uncommon of a mistake. If there wasn't an accident, no one would be making a fuss about him running a stop sign, now would they? No. Get off here, and deal with your own life problems.

For the person that said he found out what really happend is full of crap!!!!My husband and I were right behind the motorcycle!!!!The truth will come out if this goes to court and for all who are making light of this do NOT know the truth and should stay out of it!!!! Let just hope that this doesn't happen to anyone in your family, 'cuz you will be singing a different tune!!!!!!
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EXCUSE ME?

I talked to someone who was in the car. They TOLD ME what happened. And NO, I wouldn't be singin' a different tune unless there was alcohol involved, which there wasn't. Accidents are accidents. What I said, is the truth. I didn't get it wrong. So if I am wrong, that what really did happen? WHY are you people like this?

I can't believe how judgmental and hateful some people can be, and how many people want to always find someone to be a helpless victim & the other to be guilty of the worst accusation possible in every accident that happens. No one knows what the FINE YOUNG MAN that was driving the car was or wasn't thinking, or that he had any kind of 'attitude'. I know who he is and know that he IS a fine young man, so please don't think you have it all figured out, esp. with such little information, and please don't throw ALL young people into a big vat of non-caring people - that's just ridiculous. We've all made stupid mistakes driving. Don't those of you that think you have all the answers think for even one minute how awful he must feel? Yes, it's sad that people got hurt, and everyone wants them all to be OK. Accidents DO happen though, and there are many kinds of traffic charges for many different situations for a reason. People driving motorcycles (or bicycles too for that matter) are just going to be more at risk of getting injured, and more at risk of receiving serious injuries, because they are harder to see and they are not as protected as when in an enclosed vehicle; that higher risk will always just be there. It's nice to see that at least some motorcycle drivers do acknowledge that, and are not acting like it's the cars against the bikes. It's also good to have groups that are trying to make people more aware to watch for motorcyclists or byciclists more carefully. That is a positive constructive thing to do, rather than just spewing out uninformed opinions and sitting and doing nothing else about it. It is right to say that anyone driving any kind of vehicle should be careful, slow down, be responsible..., but it's not right or helpful in anyway to anyone to put such harsh narrow-minded judgement on a person without knowing anything about them.

also, i have run a stop sign before. I will be reporting for my 5 years of jail time tomorrow morning

people driving unsafe, hard-to-see vehicles get injured when drivers don't see them. more at 11

ilikemilk - i hope all involved is okay and heals quickly

I also know everyone that was in the car. Nick is not a bad person, he just made a simple mistake that caused a whole mess of trouble.
Two corrections-Amanda had several cuts on her face from glass. She was discharged from the hospital shortly after.
Nick actually got several small cuts on his arm, and he refused medical treatment.
bluesparklydust got it right on the head. get a life. Nick made a mistake, just like you and i do all the time. His was just at a really bad place and time.

were they drag racing? i do get that this is a serious incident but i don't get why failure to obey a traffic sign calls for someone to be placed in jail? the article said it was not an alcohol related accident and if it was so horrible that it called for jail time wouldnt the police just haul the driver off to jail if they had that much to charge him with?

grown adults with tons of experience do this all the time as well, i was hit by a 55 yr old car sales man from a large and popular car lot who was driving a demo car from the lot, so you can't sit there and say it is just because of his age, people whatever age do this all the time and yes it is a stupid move on his part but he does not deserve to be made to feel like he just went out and commited some horrible crime he should be locked up for, thank god no one was killed and you know it is possible this has just taught him one of his biggest lessons in life and he will never do it again.

For the person that said he found out what really happend is full of crap!!!!My husband and I were right behind the motorcycle!!!!The truth will come out if this goes to court and for all who are making light of this do NOT know the truth and should stay out of it!!!! Let just hope that this doesn't happen to anyone in your family, 'cuz you will be singing a different tune!!!!!!

Regardless of his "little oops", he has seriously injured two people who had the "right of way". He blew the stop sign... he slowed down? OK... what does a stop sign mean? He was in a hurry? Was he in a hurry to die? It could have been a semi that hit these kids!!!

What part of coming to a full stop did he NOT understand? Come to a full stop... look left then right then left again... and proceed with caution. I feel nothing but disgust for this kid... Obey the rules of the road and you'll live a full life, hopefully.

Being an idiot, showing off for your friends and you will end up killing someone, if not yourself!!! Perhaps he wasn't showing off THIS time but he certainly was NOT defensively driving... He aggressively sat behind the wheel and CHOSE to blow that stop sign.

He needs a hefty fine to get his attention, IMO!!!

lapse in judgement to not make a complete stop at a stop sign, which I know we've all done.
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and people want to take him out back and shoot this young man, and he is 20 yrs old not a 16yr old with a brand new license, no that is not a super long time on the road but it does give him some experience and did do what alot of experienced drivers have done and still do ran a stop sign. i don't even think the young man who just killed someone in a horrible accident in delevan got this much flack

I for one understand bennetonf1's reaction, "jail time, total restitution, 5 yr D/L suspension, etc".. I've been in the car with plenty of today's generations new drivers, & all of them have the same attitudes towards other drivers on the road.... "better not get in my way." I don't know who's drilling this crap into their heads...but the only difference between then, & now when it comes to learning how to drive is, schools no longer teach kids, its private businesses that get paid (over) $350 per kid. My question is, what are the parents getting for their money? Kids running stop signs? Who knows.. right..

I just found out what really happened. The driver of the vehicle came upon the stop sign and slowed down. He didn't see anybody coming, so he did a rolling stop kind of thing and went though the stop sign. The motorcyclists came upon him and t-boned him at full speed. He wasn't text, and he was paying attention. He just didn't see the motorcyclist. It was a lapse in judgement to not make a complete stop at a stop sign, which I know we've all done.

but the truth will come out in the investigation.
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what exactly do you expect to get out of the investigation? proof that they ran a stop sign which from the post of one of the people involved they do not deny they said they all made a poor judgement they were in a hurry like the most of the rest of the world.

I have fought for lots of other bikers, family or not. If I only cared about my family then I would not have been so involved in ABATE of Wisconsin, MRF and AMA for the last 11 years. I fight for all bikers. www.abatewis.org
feel free to check us out.
I don't care what anyone says here. I am glad the passengers in the car are ok, but the truth will come out in the investigation.

It was an accident. My God. You honestly think he should be charged with more than failure to yield? What are you thinking? Have you no lives that you have to come on here and complain about how much you despise this young adult(that you don't even know) for making a mistake that every body makes? People run stop signs every day. Not just young adults. Attempted murder? He did not try and kill these people! You need help. IT WAS AN ACCIDENT. Maybe he just didn't see the stop sign. It happens. You guys are jerks. Get a life. Please. And stop talking about my friend like he's a bad person. He's not.
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thank you - that is exactly it this was not some hit and run it was not a drunk driver taking another life, it was a failure to obey a traffic sign and a first offense at that, which most people have had at least one accident in their life and yes i know there are the rare few who never have, but to wish this young man some harsh sentence is horrible, and yes riding a bike is more dangerous when involved in an accident but it should not make someone's punishment more severe because it happened

It was an accident. My God. You honestly think he should be charged with more than failure to yield? What are you thinking? Have you no lives that you have to come on here and complain about how much you despise this young adult(that you don't even know) for making a mistake that every body makes? People run stop signs every day. Not just young adults. Attempted murder? He did not try and kill these people! You need help. IT WAS AN ACCIDENT. Maybe he just didn't see the stop sign. It happens. You guys are jerks. Get a life. Please. And stop talking about my friend like he's a bad person. He's not.

Its not possible to miss that stop sign, unless ya got got your head in your lap!!! Wanna bet he was texting???
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I was behind the passenger seat of the car, and I know for a fact he was not txting. all three of us did not see anybody comming at all, yes We should of tooken our time at the stop sign a little more, we were in a hurry, it was all of ours first car accident, it happened so fast and we were all scared. We obviously feel especially bad for the bikers due to having the most damage.all of our prayers are with them cuz we are all ok. The only thing I ask and or suggest is that maybe they should turn that into a four way stop? and suggest more 4 way stops hopefully for the best of not having any accidents.

That is the going rate for blowing a stop sign. His insurance will hopefully cover the injured people and I wish them a speedy recovery and hope their injuries are not real severe. by the way has anyone in here ever rolled thru a stop sign?

Just slow down!

I myself never mentioned throwing him in jail and losing the key for a crash. But something more than a $180.00 ticket for failure to yield. And I don't care who the kids father is, I have already advised my family on who to contact.
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if this is not his first traffic violation i totally agree with this all the way because that would show it does not have concern for any of the people around him at all, but if this is his first time a ticket and maybe some community service and hopefully this has scared the you know what out of him and he will forever remember what happened. I would like to ask if this was not your family member would you feel so harshly about what he should get? I am not in anyway starting fight or anything i just ask because it seems like for a traffic accident that some of the posters are really upset and this accident does not even have driniking involved with it and personally i find that to be a relief

the stop signs should read that traffic on hwy 18 doesn't stop. its kind of tricky all way out in the country.
the kid should just get a failure to stop ticket and restitution, if his record is clean. its not like alcohol was involved or anything.

I myself never mentioned throwing him in jail and losing the key for a crash. But something more than a $180.00 ticket for failure to yield. And I don't care who the kids father is, I have already advised my family on who to contact.

accidents are called accidents for a reason, this kid made a mistake that thank god did not cause someone their life. adults do the same thing ALL the time. the biggest plus is there was actually no drinking this time which should make people really happy. yes i agree young people do need to pay more attention but sentencing him for attempted murder or locking him up is not really something that fits this, it is a traffic accident and a sober one at that

Sorry... I also get really peeved when I read ONCE AGAIN, it was a 20 year old kid who caused the accident! Once again, NOT paying attention. Its not possible to miss that stop sign, unless ya got got your head in your lap!!! Wanna bet he was texting???

These kids have no business being on the roads sometimes. I've never seen such an irresponsible age group in my life!!! (I've been driving for 33 years...)

The passenger of the bike is my sister. And there is no excuse for the actions of the driver of the car, he crashed (t-boned) into them at full speed, no attempt to stop, like there was no stop sign at all. Our whole family rides and I am the region rep for ABATE of Wisconsin Racine County (Motorcycle Rights Organization). I am also a share the road instructor where I go into classrooms and teach kids during Drivers Ed how to share the road and look for motorcycles. Also, to the individual that mentioned helmets, this has nothing to do with helmets, it has everything to do with some kid not paying attention when he is driving. And he should have increased penalties due to the Roadway Users Responsibility Act 466 effective October 1, 2006.

i just think that no matter how much we all want it there will be accidents because people are not perfect drivers for many many many reasons

OK, maybe I overreacted.
It's just such a shame to have this happen to someone just because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I understand the the word accident.
I also understand the idea of being responsible and being held accountable for our actions.
We, as drivers, are responsible for keeping our cars under control and observing traffic laws so as NOT to injure anyone else.
That intersection is pretty clear. I'm curious to know what happened.
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BTW islandmaker No, you don't know my friend...

Also being a former motorcyclist, i think this is being blown way out of proportion. Accidents do happen, people. This is why i got out of the business, too many close calls. For those cyclists that are complaining about this, maybe they should be charged with attempted murder or suicide when they or their passengers are not wearing helmets. Maybe they should get charged for attempted murder if they are under the influence, even if they have not been in an accident.

in car accidents don't they use vehicular homicide or something along those lines if they use something that is severe?

It's a little soon to jump to full charges, but the DA will certainly consider reckless injury (the charge of "attempted murder" would only apply if there was intent to kill someone). That sort of charge is not usually levelled until after an investigation, though.
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i ran a stop light a few years ago and hit a car i was not going fast there was more damage to my car, i did not see the stop light it was sort of hidden behind a tree but anyways i only got a failure to obey traffic signal

It's a little soon to jump to full charges, but the DA will certainly consider reckless injury (the charge of "attempted murder" would only apply if there was intent to kill someone). That sort of charge is not usually levelled until after an investigation, though.

the thing is whenever you step into your vehicle or get on your bike there is always that "chance" something could go wrong, it is really part of the risk of driving.

bennet, first off. Your friend is also a friend of mine. His situation is different. The guy did get jail time for that. And please don't use him for this situation. He don't even recact like this about situations like this. Your overreacting times 10. So who's to say she hit a car. Same jail time etc.... No cuz the people wouldnt be as hurt.....well that makes no sense. Its an accident. Let me spell that out for you say it with me. Accident (ak-si-dent) Can you say that slow...I mean fast. Second of Second of all you should probably get some jail time.....or maybe some mendota time. Just for being a little harsh. Probably should get this
+ Jail time
+ Total restitution
+ 5 Year D/L suspension
+ A good slap upside of his head

I bet you've never ran a stop sign. Even cops do it big guy. People like you are so ignorant. It was a an accident on her part, and the wrong place wrong time for both of them. Sorry not everyone is perfect like you................Well excluding your evaluation on reasoning for jail time. Theres two sides of the fence.

miyata312,
All I'm saying is that accidents happen. Your right, there is no excuse for running one but I'm sure he didn't intentionally try to kill someone by doing so.

the light was green
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meant my light was green he was at a stop sign and should not of went

Seek counselling if necessary. My thoughts and prayers are with you as well.
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i am sorry to hear about your accident that is a very horrible thing to have happened to you. at the same time this was an accident how many people have ran stop signs for whatever reason it may be. i don't think it requires hanging this kid from a tree because he made a mistake and caused an accident. i have had a person who was 55 yrs old pull out and side swipe me and the light was green, at that age they should know how to drive right

I'm sorry!
Lets have a group hug, then we can arrange for the driver to get help....
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Like miata said "no excuse" and yes, I am a motorcyclist and am sick of the BS excuses. I also have a freind that lost a leg in the very same type of situation. Live his life for a day and then tell me how bad you feel for the driver that ran the stop sign.

As a former motorcycle accident victim the harshness from bennetonf1 is uncalled for. The motorcyclists are lucky to be alive no doubt. I has a passenger on a motorcycle nearly 20 years ago; a 16 kid who had only had her license for 4-5 months pulled out in front of us on Milwaukee Street. I believe she only received a ticket for failure to yield. No jail time. No total restitution, and no suspension of drivers license. I on the other hand had a skull fracture, broken collarbone, concussion, spinal fluid leak, broken ear drum; lost the hearing in one year; suffered from migraines for many years and still occassionally do. My medical bills were paid for by MY health insurance and I had to pay whatever wasn't covered. While I received a settlement; it wasn't enough to cover my pain and suffering, medical, loss of wages, my quality of life changed...but since I didn't appear to have any injuries my attorney's didn't feel that a jury would be sympathetic. Depression, demise of long term relationship, loss of hearing, etc. wrecked havoc on me.

Hopefully the victims recover quickly. I wish them all the luck.

As for the driver of the vehicle, everything happens for a reason. Seek counselling if necessary. My thoughts and prayers are with you as well.

While I am glad everyone involved is going to be OK, I am concerned about the well-being of some posters...

I also know the kids and they are not bad kids it states accident no alcohol, I am glad to see some people still feel a stiff penalty whether or not alcohol was involved WOW harsh. I am sure someone was not paying attention, no excuse. I am also glad no one seems to of had life threating injuries still injuries all the same. Also, before we pass judgment drive in Janesville I see people every morning running stop signs and red lights.

maybe he wasnt paying attention which really is not a good thing while driving, it is good no one was killed by his actions but i do think with all of the duis that have been happening it is a relief this is not another one

Well howie, as a biker and coming from experience, people just wont see a bike. I've had people turn left in front of me LOOKING STRAIGHT AT ME and yet still pulled out.

As for this kid's incedent, Cty Y is straight and flat at the 18 intersection. Stop signs are quite visable. Really no excuse for running one.

Dade should be charged with attempted murder.
+ Jail time
+ Total restitution
+ 5 Year D/L suspension
+ A good slap upside of his head

Failed to stop at a stop sign?!?!?!?!?
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why so harsh, it was an ACCIDENT and the article stated they did not believe alcohol played a part in the accident, so i do not think the attempted murder is warranted on this

I don't know what happened but I know these kids. Dade's dad is a Lawyer here in Whitewater. Will be interesting to see what will come of this and what the investigation shows.

It's called an accident. There could be many reason why he failed to stop besides not wanting to, which is what you sound like your accusing him of.
Hopefully everyone is OK.
I've had a "Failed to stop at stop sign" ticket before and it wasn't because I didn't want to stop. I was coming over a hill and there was a new small tree that was blocking the sign, by the time I say the sign it was too late.

Dade should be charged with attempted murder.
+ Jail time
+ Total restitution
+ 5 Year D/L suspension
+ A good slap upside of his head

Failed to stop at a stop sign?!?!?!?!?