hannah.......please shut up

POT DOESN'T KILL. POT DOESN'T KILL. ALCOHOL DOESN'T KILL. ALCOHOL DOESN'T KILL. GUNS DON'T KILL. DO YOU HEAR ME? P E O P L E K I L L. ARE YOU THAT DISRESPECTFUL TO ARGUE A POT ISSUE. A VERY NICE MAN WAS ROBED OF HIS LIFE BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAD DISREGARD FOR ANYTHING BUT HIMSELF, MUCH LESS his pot usage !!!!!!!!!!

MY PRAYERS GO TO THIS FAMILY THAT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS LOSS AND THE STUPID ARGRUMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ARTICLE ABOUT DRUGS WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A WONDERFUL PERSON'S LIFE.

PEOPLE DO THE DAMAGE!!!
PLEASE HANNAH TELL ME YOU ARE NOT ACCUSING THIS MAN'S RESPONSIBILITY BY BLAMING IT ON POT. "HE, I'LL REPEAT, """HE""" DID THE DAMAGE.

I FEEL VERY SORRY FOR THE FAMILY WHO HAD A LOVED ONE AT THE WRONG PLACE, WRONG TIME. MY PRAYERS ARE WITH YOU.

Hannah, you did, you had this from the beginning. Good for you!!

This person has no respect for rules, regulations, laws, authority, or even fellow human beings. He has a whole lot of issues. He was a time bomb. It wouldn’t matter if he was intoxicated, smoking pot, or even Sniffing Glue, he had a real issue with respect the well-being of another human being. This person is obviously with issues. Maybe he was abused as a child but no one would listen to him, so now he is angry. Oh wait, that’s another blog.
This is a reckless man who really didn’t care. He needs some help, hopefully he can be rehabilitated. He probably has issues none of us will ever understand.
Arguing the pot issue is irrelevant. JMO
This is a person with problems, who reached for answers, probably with drugs. Do you not see this? Whatever his problems were, will never be known except by his counselor, if he gets one. (not the attorney, the brain doctor).
Unfortunately, a person died. Dean. A wonderful person who was an innocent victim. This blog should be all about what he was, who he was, and the great asset to society that he was. Shame on all of you who use this article to argue POT.

Enough of the great pot debate. The fact of the matter is this guy blew a stop sign in the fog and snuffed out the life of a wonderful, wonderful man. I have known Dean for pretty much my whole life. He has always been kind and fun and good. His loved ones are in pain, and for the moment the pot means nothing.
Every loss of life is tragic, though when we lose someone as wonderful as Dean it is just so much worse.
My heart goes out to his immediate family and his loving girlfriend and the children he treated as his own.
God bless his soul.

A Friend,
Michelle Dubey

Sherbear..........My condolences to you and your family. I am sorry that this happened to your family. Obviously after posting my message earlier people still don't get it. I don't understand why people can't show a little respect. There are chat rooms where you all can debate about pot and what not. For now lets show this family some respect and support on the tragic loss of their loved one. It was not his fault that he was struck and killed. Save your debates for another time not in here where family is reading this. Again my condolences and your family is in our prayers.

Thank you to those who can show respect at a time like this, and pamdogbr549 is totally right! As a family member of Dean, I am just disgusted with some of the comments in here. Dean was an awesome man, and he should be remembered that way. Save the rest of your negative comments for the trial!

no thanx gfan...the blindness i fight is a molehill compared to that fight;)

thekid, once this pot thing gets resolved once and for all, we could use your intensity on the religious blogs. ;~)

i acknowledged it earlier when i said that when they invent a machine to accurately detect WHEN the thc was consumed i will disappear from this blog because pot WILL be legal. ok maybe not completely disappear but there will be no hypocrisy to gripe about any more:)

Yes, davvic. Most pot heads drink too -but not vice-versa. When someone is whacked on juice and pot, pot almost always gets a free pass.

And, I think thekid acknowledges that the detectability problem of pot works against pot's legalization.

Trojanvirus187--OMG you can't be serious! The reason more people are killed by drunk drivers than by pot drivers is because many, many more people drink than smoke pot. While I don't think pot is any more dangerous than alcohol it is certainly just as impairing. If it wasn't mind altering nobody would bother smoking it. And the same can be said for alcohol. Do you think anyone actually liked the taste of scotch the first time they had it? I don't think so. If pot is legalized, and I'm not saying it shouldn't be, you can bet there would be an increase of pot related DUI's. In fact that is probably the only argument I can see for not legalizing it. We can't make alcohol illegal again. We all know how well that went.

Kid-If the reason you smoke pot multiple times daily is because you have a sickening health issue and smoking takes away pain you cannot tolerate, I can't say much about it because I don't know your health history, nor is it any of my business. If the reason you smoke pot multiple times daily is to get stoned. You have a problem. I don't need to meet you to tell you that.

bostonbill jayelibar daviperman: thank you

eetech: you are wrong. youre combining dift thoughts into one. marijuana CANT kill like alcohol can. one you can overdose on. the other you cant. what the individual decides to do once intoxicated is their choice and the CAUSE of death. the intoxicant is only a factor.

spark: ive never said i agree with any of the peeps i know who operate while catching a buzz. the fact is tho its NO DIFFERENT than the responsible drinkers who will have a cocktail or two w friends or dinner and then drive home. ive read of studies that show peeps are actually BETTER drivers w a lmtd amount of alcohol in them. senses are heightened and you are just more aware. but thats a dift story altogethor;) i want you to seriously think about what i am saying here spark...i UNDERSTAND why you would think that i have a problem cuz i comsume pot on a daily basis. the fact is tho that if you go back and read my posts you will find out pretty much who i am. even the anti-potters agree that im not the 'stereotypical stoner'. my point is im NOT THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE. responsible smokers ARE THE RULE. idiots like the kid in this story, if in fact he was high at the time of driving, are the exception to the rule. i smoke daily for reasons, medical in MY BELIEF, that you wont even attempt to understand based on what you see in black and white. come meet me and tell me its a problem. i dare ya.

Dean was a great person and my prayers go out to his family.

kid-I'm obviously really trying to stay out of this one because it's just another ridiculous, pointless argument about pot. However, after reading a couple of your last posts, I don't care what you say, driving under the influence of anything is stupid and dangerous. Your buddy that rides his harley stoned is a bigger fool. A motorcycle takes serious concentration to ride. That's from experience. You say he only dumped it once. That's once too many if it's because he was stoned. You also stated on here again that you smoke pot every day. Kid, you have a problem if that's the case. Please don't take offense to that comment because I would say that to anyone that does drugs (alcohol) on a daily basis.

thanks pamdogbr549, it's nice to know that some people have their priorities in place

why don't you all save your marijuana controversy when the trial starts. I worked with Dean and am devastated by this tragedy. He was a great person and will be missed by all of us. You should be sending condolences instead of supporting or not supporting pot smokers....My thoughts and prayers are with Dean and his family

kid: You have stated in the past that it has never killed anyone like drunk driving has!

When will these idiots ever learn that drinking or smoking pot and then driving just doesn't work.

My condolences to the Schumacher family.

i cant believe im sticking up for kid lol but i have read alot of posts on here and i dont agree with kid 95% of the time but i dont ever remember kid saying that pot dosent
impair driving .........sure he knows it does

My prayers go out to the family on the loss of their loved one. I just wish people would have a little respect at times like these and wait for the police to do their investigation. In time we will no what happened but in the mean time there is a family in mourning, Show some respect here. What if it were your family member and they came in here and read have of this garbage. Show some respect.

That's exactly what I said. What were the weather conditions? It's been pretty foggy. That could have been a major culprit.

Thank-you to those of you saying prayers for the loss of Dean. All we really know for certain at this point is that someone ran a stop sign in the fog. His family must be suffering as well.

Driving under the influence of *any* mind altering drug is not advisable, whether it be alcohol, thc, or benadryl. If it alters your mind, you shouldn't be operating heavy machinery. We don't know yet if this guy was intoxicated though.

It doesn't make sense for alcohol to be legal, which is PROVEN to take people's lives day after day, when marijuana is illegal and doesn't take people's lives. How many articles do you read about alcohol being a factor in somebody's death? Now, how many do you read about marijuana being a factor?

Marijuana isn't 100% risk free, any smart person would know that. You're inhaling something that's not oxygen. But at the same time, cigarettes are legal, which is more deadly than marijuana.

Of all the things to legalize and to not legalize, it's pretty silly to have some things like alcohol legalized, and other things like marijuana illegal, considering alcohol is way more dangerous.

BostonBill - ditto

chelleandlou - OMG another intelligent post. I agree. Someone is mourning a loved one. The cause is still undetermined. The authorities will figure this out. But mostly, where is the compassion for the loss of life?

Once again, two families are suffering the devastating effects of a terrible crash where a person lost his life. The lives of friends and family will forever be changed and I will say a prayer for all of you.
For my fellow bloggers, is this really the time or place to chastise thekid3477? I don’t know him and have never smoked pot in my life but the constant attacks on him seem to be a little much. JMO

At this point does the CAUSE matter. Another person is dead cuz a kid drove stupid. End of discussion.

I was wondering what a pot-smoker was doing out at 3:45 a.m? The ones I know SLEEP.

id actually like to clarify something. my last post may seem slightly contradicting. ive NEVER defended smoking while high. i still dont. what you non pot smokers need to realize is that pot intake is like alcohol intake. in the pot world over .08 would be HIGH, and under that would be buzzed. my friends dont drive HIGH, cuz well we dont do much when we get HIGH, one of the well known side affects. we do stay active with a buzz however. my friends, and the peeps ive heard from thru this website drive with a buzz on. not high.

gfan: i REALLY dont think ive EVER implied that pot smoking wont impair a driver. id LOVE to see it if i did anyways. cuz like i said...i admit to smoking every day...im well aware it impairs and have NEVER defended operating while high. i know enough peeps who openly admit, to me anyways, they will drive after smoking. i have a big time harly friend who says 'if im on my bike im high'. two decades of riding hes goin on and i think he said hes dumped it once...from speeding. i know how difficult of a concept it is to grasp for a non regular user and ESPECIALLY a complete non user...but i would have NO PROBLEM at all getting in a vehicle with any of my friends after they have smoked. well i guess i cant say any...but i know which friends are MORE than capable of OWH:) they wont smoke WHILE driving cuz that is distracting, but i know they drive AFTER. regular users of pot can function on a daily basis, shopping, driving, working, parenting, friending, whatever you wanting and most would/do never know. i know the peeps who medicate would read this and tell me im stupid for even saying this is fact. but it is. you are going to judge me and assume i do or do not do any or all of these things while high just based on my knowledge and passion for the hypocrisy without me answering your question gfan. which im not going to do...;)

joemo?? i dontkno.

mami: fo real. since you seem to be good at copying posts please copy the part where i said i drive high?? or is that another guess??

and if you cant comprehend, and it appears you cant, the difference between a direct death and an indirect death...well im done tryin to explain it to you.

thekid, it seems you at least implied that pot smoking doesn't impair driving. But even if you didn't and you now admit that it does impair driving, do you drive while you are medicated with your medicinal doses of weed?

latin, chill. You are making accusations without proof. Again, it is "PROBABLY". Don't you think you're being egged on?
I have never heard of any advocate for legalizing pot say it was okay to drive while high. You're rewording other people's blogs. You probably have a good reason for taking this personal, but geez, take it easy.
And again, remember, someone died and the TRUE cause is not known (Yet).

cuz i cant imagine youd make an uninformed guess...
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No i would not make an uniformed comment on your pot smoking and driving either because i smoked as a teenager and know first hand that pot does cause distraction while doing most things - thanks though for pointing that lives are in danger every day because you are behind the wheel while high

latinmami2.... don't get me wrong here, I'm NOT condoning driving under the influence of ANY mind altering factor. But for some reason, pot gets the brunt of ridicule for no other reason than the fact that it happens to be illegal.

However, proven statistics say that the worst drivers on the roads are people under 25 and those over 80, so you tell me... regardless of what he put in his system... he killed another person in an automobile accident. My 85 year old father-in-law drinks a lot of martinis, has diabetes and can't feel his feet, yet drives. What is up with that?

On a lighter note, I am 50 years old, my vices are MY vices. If I am impaired where I can not drive, I don't...

In defense of driving while "stoned"... most prefer to chill on the couch and watch TV or another more pleasurable activity in the privacy of our own home. Hence the reason you will rarely see anyone MY age - arrested for smoking weed or anything else... they're homebodies!

I'm not saying I get high, but don't judge the entire book by the ever changing cover.

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HE DIRECTLY USED MARIJUANA AND THEN DIRECTLY DROVE INTO ANOTHER PERSON. MAYBE HE WOULD OF BEEN PAYING A LITTLE MORE ATTENTION IF HIS MIND WAS NOT CLOUDED BY THAT LITTLE MAGIC SMOKE

kid whats joemo ?

latinmami2--Get real people,hay that rimes ):

and another beautiful post from the hottest gma alive;)

latinmami: my opinion on the question you asked gma is yes he probably wouldnt have crashed. there are a ton of other potential factors so thats obviously an opinion i have no way to prove other than i KNOW stoner nation HAS learned to operate while high and they do millions of miles a year and well we all know how many of these stories we see.

yes i stand by that statement 110%. marijuana DID NOT KILL ANYONE HERE. the IDIOT WHO DROVE KILLED. thats not the first time ive said that...even in this blog. how do you not understand that?? the fact is alcohol isnt the CAUSE of deaths in drunk driving accidents. its a FACTOR yes, not the cause. and the fact is NO ONE HAS EVER DIED FROM THE DIRECT USE OF MARIJUANA. just like 'guns dont kill people, people kill people' theory. you keep askin questions and fail to answer any asked of you. did you find proof yet that thc is only testable for a few hours?? cuz i cant imagine youd make an uninformed guess...

Get real people, I'd be willing to bet it is more the LACK of time behind the wheel and "hot dogging", than the pot. I see these "just licensed" kids every day on the interstate... its the immortality factor in their brains!

JMO of course.
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just curious do you think if he had more time behind the wheel and smoked pot he probably would not of crashed?

You're all missing the point here though. The kid is 17, in the middle of the early morning hours.

An INEXPERIENCED driver behind the wheel of a vehicle in the wee hours of the morning... He could have been tired.... in trouble... ticked off... For crying out loud... at that age and no driving experience... he could have had a dose of Robitussin and wrecked the car!!!

Unfortunately, he has killed someone. Whatever he "was on", he'll do time.

Get real people, I'd be willing to bet it is more the LACK of time behind the wheel and "hot dogging", than the pot. I see these "just licensed" kids every day on the interstate... its the immortality factor in their brains!

JMO of course.

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kraut: thanx for the love. im not goin stealth. i LOVE marijuana and i will not go anywhere until i have the option to sit on my couch and get intoxicated by a drug that HAS NEVER KILLED.

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do you by chance want to take this comment back now?

that almost makes sense jja. yer not doin a very good job proving youre not what you claimed i was.

Does anybody know if this kid will be tested for heroin or hydrocodone use? Like there's not a problem with that around here...

heres my FIRST post on this thread AFTER THREE PEOPLE referenced me and basically ASKED me to defend this tragedy. you seem to avoid all other questions ive asked...like most uninformed anti-potters...but ill ask one more...where is that dance you describe in this post....

hannah: have you ever seen me state that marijuana didnt impair driving?? i probably am about the most honest individual you will meet regarding my pot intake. i think i KNOW about the impairment caused.

frusion: this idiot chose to smoke pot and kill someone. what kind of rebuttal would i possibly have?? well i guess i could use the fact that this is one story vs...you know the numbers. but that doesnt matter cuz its not about the facts nearly as much as it is your own personal beliefs towards me and my, and MANY others', personal choice to smoke pot.

yer both fools for making judgements about me. but i expect nothing else from the blind. for real.

not to mention this is a prime example of why marijuana is illegal. theres no accurate test available so they just keep the illegal tab on it. this kid could have smoked pot last week. not been anywhere near a joint since then and STILL test positive and could, in theory, be convicted of homicide even tho it was nothing but a genuine accident

I am fool? So people put those posts and that made you come running to do you little i smoke pot and it's okay dance because it never hurts anyone?

kid your born with 2 testable unless something terrible happens .

yer a fool. look at the first 3 posts and tell me i wasnt pulled into this convo. why on earth would i EVER defend the actions of this kid??

no one pulls you into the conversation kid, you come on every forum that has to do with drinking or pot just to march your little protest that pot should be legal.

latinmami: you tell me my brain is fried then you say thc is testable in your system for only a couple hours?? like most anti-potters i dont expect you to prove it...but id LOVE to see where you got that info...

since i was, AGAIN, pulled into a convo asking to defend my drug of choice because some idiot killed someone POSSIBLEY under the influence. have you seen me defend anything here?? or even deny anything?? or any possibility?? get your own head out, read the blog and tell me why i need to get mine out. fool.
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if you are not defending pot and it is a factor here in the accident then are you saying you agree that it was part of the cause and that smoking pot can kill other people because that is what it just did here

latinmami: fried my brain?? i welcome ANY challenge you want to bring. my mind is MORE sharp than before i started medicating daily...and its not close. yes it is relevant on alcohol to determine intoxication. they cant tell intoxication severity or time by a level of thc. they can only tell its in the system and that pot was consumed, regardless of actual levels. thats why the 'levels' are irrelevant cuz if this kid tests positive...even tho he maybe didnt smoke for a week he'd still be guilty of homicide by intoxicated use...

i wish there was a more accurate way to test intoxication of thc. id probably disappear from this site cuz not long after that invention pot WILL be legal

The blood test for THC measures the psychoactive active component. It would only be positive for a couple of hours after use of marijuana.
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thank you so if they tested this guy using this method then it could show if he had used recently

hannah: think a bit please. ive NEVER said someone on the influence of marijauna couldnt kill. marijuana itself does not kill. never has never will. period.

jja: you do realize you are making yourself look like a typical rambling anti-potter by...i guess trying to make fun of me?? rather than just telling me why you feel i need to remove my head. you are the one who called me a 'kid' rite?? then follow that up with childish insults?? bravo fool. bravo.

good posts crafty.

dub: you know the blind wont answer a genuine question. ever. like children they fear what they dont know

first i want to apoligize to latinmami. there are 'levels' of thc...my point was that if hes positive hes positive...and the levels are irrelevant.
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how are the level irrelevant? isn't it relevant when they test drunks to see what level they had in their bodies while involved in an accident

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are you telling me that there are not different levels of thc in a person's body that it is not possible, is that the same way with drinking you either have it in your system or you don't it always comes back as the same level? i think that it is pretty logical to say that if you just smoked a joint and got tested after your levels of thc are going to be higher than if you waited a week or two to be tested. maybe kid you shouldnt try to act like you know everything since i am sure your recreational habit has fried a few cells in your head

WOW!! you all got your undies in a bind over a "possibly" marijuana. It was Drug Impairment. Which drug cannot be proven at this time. Also, channel 27 claims the drivers were 18 and 42.

http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S...

My thoughts and prayers go out to the Schumacher family.

It was probably marijuana....the Officers would not have suggested it unless there was something on the person or in the vehicle to suggest so. Soooooo...Marijuana does hurt people, as we already know it alters the mind. Let it not ever become legal, or these incidents will become more frequent, and add to the alcohol problem.

dub190 - He still could be arrested, charged and convicted of DUI.

kid --right left right right left left wait a minute Sarg i have to start over .

kid 2+2 is not 5

...Driving, period can kill you, and of course others. Driving while distracted can kill.

Hannah, simply drinking alcohol can kill you. simply smoking marijuana can not.

Driving while drunk can kill you, driving while stoned can kill you.

My prayers go out to Deans family.

Hannah, you are wasting your time, you won't find that post. It's funny how all you people think pot heads are so stupid!

When I was in Iraq, my Brigadier General would be stoned all the time. He probably still is. He drove multiple vehicles, including tanks and hovercraft, in many many convoys. He dealt with his superiors every day, he led all his men, he was shot at, and killed many men, all while "under the influence" of marijuana. Not the crap we get around here, but the good stuff. I know it sounds bad, but if you knew how many people all around you do it every day, you might just crap your pants.

Marijuana is a huge counterculture. Hidden only because the brain washed Reefer Madness believing, baby boomers are running the country.

Have you ever smoked a cigarette too fast? What happens when you do that while driving?

Wasn't it really foggy in Walworth County all day?

ahhh thanx jja. typical blind judger. you cant explain it to me cuz there IS no explanation for your statement other than stereotypical judgement. my brain is not fried. far from it actually. but thank you...you more than proved my last post.

jja: one more thing. you say 'kid, and you are'. judging judging judging. you dont know my first name. you dont know at all how i live my life or how i raise my kids. you call me a kid cuz u dont agree w my beliefs...which i think actually makes you more childish than myself.

thekid3477 why should i explain something to you you would lose it in 3 min anyway . your brain is fryed .

There are two basic kinds of tests to determine if someone has used marijuana. The first, most common is the urine test which many people have to take at work. This tests for the metabolites of THC, or what is left over after your system has broken down the THC. This can remain in the system in measurable levels for a few days after use. The blood test for THC measures the psychoactive active component. It would only be positive for a couple of hours after use of marijuana.

17 yrs old, obviously if marijuana is mentioned he's possessing, illegal possession of weapon and 45 miles from home...the intersection he hit him at is wide open and there is no excuse that you will be able to use to explain it to Dean's kid.

Now everthing makes sense. hannah smoked pot. Now reading all the dribble and run on sentences, misspelled words it all makes sense.
Brain damage.

Driving while stoned and killed a guy.

first i want to apoligize to latinmami. there are 'levels' of thc...my point was that if hes positive hes positive...and the levels are irrelevant.

jla: pull my head out?? since i was, AGAIN, pulled into a convo asking to defend my drug of choice because some idiot killed someone POSSIBLEY under the influence. have you seen me defend anything here?? or even deny anything?? or any possibility?? get your own head out, read the blog and tell me why i need to get mine out. fool.

Kid and you are, Authorities believe Espinosa was driving under the influence of a controlled substance—possibly marijuana, but they are waiting for the results of a blood test to confirm that, said Capt. Scott McClory. kid you better pull your head out .
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Espinosa was driving under the influence of a controlled substance—possibly marijuana and he killed the guy (period)

latinmami said 'i am pretty sure that the people who test for thc know the difference that if someone has high thc levels it is more likely that they just smoked that day and if they had low levels they probably smoked a while ago' thanx for proving what im saying about being blind. there are NO levels of thc. you either test positive or you dont. you should do some research before you post about being 'pretty sure'. theres this new website you could try. its called google. you put in what you are looking for and it gives you a big list of dift sites to do research on so you can go from being 'pretty sure' to actually making an informed educated post. good luck

thanx dub. its funny how the blind see only what they chose to;)

If the blood test comes back positive, he will be charged with driving with a detectable amount of a restricted controlled substance. This is not the same as driving under the influence. This is because the there is no set level for THC to show impairment like there is for alcohol (.08). The general consensus is that the impairment level for THC is the same as many over-the-counter drugs.

yer 'pretty sure' ive said it DOESNT impair?? if yer 'pretty sure' you would be wrong. that is you judging what my answer would be based on the fact that im the number one defender, at least on this blog, for mother natures finest herbs. ive NEVER stated marijuana wont impair driving. id be an idiot to state that. i smoke pot every day...i think i KNOW the impairment issue. i will say its easier to build a tolerance and learn to function more easily than with the 'eviler of two evils'...but ive NEVER said it wont impair driving.

bn1967 - that's some pretty intense pot smoking you did lol

Hey all you K-Mart Lawyers get a clue.
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are you a walmart lawyer so you think you are smarter some how

It's been years since I've smoked pot but I do remember once being so stoned (and very paranoid) that I thought I was levitating! Another time I thought I was eating dead rats which were actually deep fried mushrooms. I know I couldn't have driven a car in that state.

If this individuals test comes back as positive for THC then he can be charged with DUI - Driving Under the Influence.

Hey all you K-Mart Lawyers get a clue.

i would like to know where this childs parents are? He is under 18 so why is he aloud out so late? That is a big issue as well

i am pretty sure that the people who test for thc know the difference that if someone has high thc levels it is more likely that they just smoked that day and if they had low levels they probably smoked a while ago. why are you making every article a pot smoking protest

hannah: have you ever seen me state that marijuana didnt impair driving?? i probably am about the most honest individual you will meet regarding my pot intake. i think i KNOW about the impairment caused.

frusion: this idiot chose to smoke pot and kill someone. what kind of rebuttal would i possibly have?? well i guess i could use the fact that this is one story vs...you know the numbers. but that doesnt matter cuz its not about the facts nearly as much as it is your own personal beliefs towards me and my, and MANY others', personal choice to smoke pot.

yer both fools for making judgements about me. but i expect nothing else from the blind. for real.

not to mention this is a prime example of why marijuana is illegal. theres no accurate test available so they just keep the illegal tab on it. this kid could have smoked pot last week. not been anywhere near a joint since then and STILL test positive and could, in theory, be convicted of homicide even tho it was nothing but a genuine accident.

Just because this individual tests positive for THC (pot) doesn't mean he was high at the time of the accident. THC stays in the system for up to 30 days, so he may not have been high. Chances are good that he was if he had weed with him, but just testing positive does not make him guilty of being under the influence at the time of the accident. I know and love several people who know the deceased and they are devastated by this loss. My prayers are with them all. And with the young man who was arrested.

for the families that have to now deal with this tragedy i am sorry for your loss

gonefishing - i am thinking if he combined the precious pot you are speaking so highly of along with the other things he had in his system i am sure that does not help the situation out at all. And why every time an accident or tragedy happens does all of the pot smokers come out to make a ralley of why it is okay to smoke pot? WE GET IT CHEECH YOU LIKE YOUR HAPPY TIMES.

gonefishin-Why you getting so defensive about the mention of marijuana in the story? If he was stoned, shame on him. He's no better than someone drinking and driving. End of story.

There are probably more accidents caused by sober, selfish, all important idiots behind the wheel than drunks and stoners combined. Too bad stupidity and aggresivenes can't be tested and prosecuted as controlled substances.

Irregardless; still a hell of a way to start out his adult life.

I was thinking the same thing!! thekid will have a rebuttal to this story?

Where's thekid on this one?:)