Super! We indeed agree.

Now for a real argument: tastes great or less filling?

joeflint:
we might actually agree on something...
A $787 billion "stimulus," along with a $700 billion bank bailout, $75 billion to refinance bad mortgages, $50 billion for the automakers, and as much as $2 trillion in loans from the Fed and the Treasury are hardly confidence-builders for our free-enterprise system.

btw, you never heard or read me saying the bailout passed last year was good.
i disagreed with the 18 billion dollar stimulus passed in early 08 just as i thought clinton's proposed 18 billion was way back when.

about every third week, a very good friend of mine sends me an email, generally with a bible verse, asking me to send it to eight other people. and if i do, i'll be blessed with whatever dream i want to come true.
i finally asked him, if these work so well, why do you keep sending them out hoping for good luck?
kinda like all these stimuli don't you think?

Yes, lying is lying; it does not matter who the liar is, he is in the wrong.

> you libs are all alike -- you all feel the state and the feds
> know better how to spend our money

Hilarious in its simplicity. Thank God we just had eight years of exemplary Republican stewardship. Class, which party is responsible for advocating "deficit spending" during the past thirty years? Gosh, as soon as a darn librul does something that the right has literally cheered the last three Republican administrations it becomes anathema.

Your taxes were lower during the last 7-8 years (Bush tax cuts) *WHILE* government spending nearly doubled (DHS / Border, Social Security, "emergency" war "supplementals", ...). I know the Limbaugh argument: Bush wasn't conservative enough. Bull. He perfectly followed Reagan-Bush fiscal policy (lower taxes, increase discretionary spending) -- he still had Greenspan around, even.

Frankly, most people I know (left and right) hate all the bailouts. Funny, though, the Congressional Republicans certainly did not waste any time last fall when rushing through the original $700 billion bailout (without oversight controls) for the banks. So, was that bailout okay?

If I wanted to toss around a simplisitic argument, it would go something like this:

You Republicans are all alike: you all feel the state and the feds know better how to spend money that doesn't even exist!

and joe, because on politician lies, does that make it right for all of them?

joeflint:
lotteries are a tax -- the biggest users being the poor.
i already pay road taxes via permits and gas (those are two of many).
if you want to pay extra, go ahead.
you libs are all alike -- you all feel the state and the feds know better how to spend our money. and when you donate, let us all know.
i reiterate, if you want to pay more, go right ahead.
in this time of "crisis," all of us are cutting back.
why isn't government?

Just released Doyle toilet sin tax. If your toilet is the old 3.6 gallons of water or more, your toilet will be sin taxed. Thank you for your cooperation.

rexhammer you forgot Obama Change you can believe in!!! So far I don't believe!

"ATTENTION ALL INVESTORS" Do to Doyle's increased demand for KY products it is susppected that KY stock purchase will reap large returns on the dollar. Taxpayers of wisconsin will be bent over to be stimulated by (yes yours truly Gov,Doyle)Make your purchases now for this could be the "BIG" payoff. LOL !!

make the turtles pay toll...

Jimmy Doyle is a tax and spend liberal except he does not call them taxes he calls them fees. Doyle has not raised your taxes but take a look the how he has raped you on the fees. I did not vote for this idiot so I can smile and say I told you so. Is there an honest person out there we could put in this job?

"rexkramer . . Sorry you missed the sarcasm."

Swisschick, c'mon, obviously you've never read my previous posts. Not only did I get your sarcasm, I was trying to top you're sarcasm. I know we drink from the same cup on this one.

Geeze. Wisconsin Taxes are already high enough.

Good grief! Next thing will be the Toilet Tax ... everybody is allowed one BM a day; beyond that, you pay special "pass poop tax".

booch - I recommend stop-and-go traffic; clearly using the freeway has not helped your blood pressure.

News flash: all pols are liars. Bush the Elder ("read my lips"), Clinton ("I did not..."), and Bush the Lesser ("no nation building!"). Lotteries support schools. Tolls help maintain roads. ...

If you're so smart and the world's climatologists are so dumb, for the love of all that is good and holy stop yammering about it here, publish, and collect your Nobel Prize.

With love,

a "lib"

At least He can't raise the fees for concealed carry permits.... outsmarted yourself on that one, Doyle.

I am favor of toll roads on the interstate system. It will help to expand the I-90-39-94 to a six lanes. The state started doing the expanding of the bridges on the I-90 system few summers ago, now would be the right time to charge for the use of the interstate system to finish the project.

I am all for this toll road. Let the Flat Lander's who use it and the Truckers who ruin it with there heavy trucks pay for it! There are back ways to Madison, Milwaukee that we know to by pass the tolls.

our gov is a liar.
he claimed he would never raise taxes.
also, anyone who thinks only fibbers or people from other states will be the only people to pay, they are morons.
when heading up to the north side of town, to save gas, i hop on the freeway at exit 175b.
so, all you libs, is it better that i drive through stop and go traffic, burning excess fossil fuel, or pay the toll and save a bit of gas and perhaps the friggin world?

........just think......coming off a tollway onto a free road for a $5 entry cost, there would be zero incentive to use a secondary parallel route, with mostly out of state payers....its a win, win, win...

I think we need a Boston Tea Party. Of course the orginal one was about taxation with out representation and what we have is taxation with representation. Dem or Rep, be careful, your employeers (the citizens of Wisconsin) are getting feed-up and you might have to find a new job.

I think a toll road is a great idea! Just have like IL has the Ipass, WI will need that too.

Doyle is a crook and a thief, but $5 at the border on 90 and 94 and nothing else would be just perfect.
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Nothing wrong with that at all.

Just an observation - I read that when there are hard times "people" cut back, don't borrow, but don't the people borrow to buy the house and the car, what about credit cards, just look at the charge off rate, and what about all those finance companies and payday outfits. Spend spend spend why should the government be any different?? Because it is just wrong there are hard times ahead.

Having just come from Illinois last week on business, their roads are definitely worse than Wisconsin's. So this whole toll thing is working so well for our good friends to the south that they do not need any stimulus money?
It is simple, spend less money than you take in.
It's called a decision. We all need to learn to learn from this fiasco!

It's like the additional half-cent sales tax; it's always imposed "temporarily", or for just "one project". But they never get repealed. My understanding of the toll road was that the State could choose: If the Feds build it, the State could NOT do tolls. However, if the State paid for it, they could recoup the cost with tolls for so many years, and then the booths would have to come down. Except when the time period was up, they changed the law, and allowed the states to keep the booths. No idea if that is ACTUALLY how it happened. BUT.....The nice thing about tolls is that the travelling public pays for using the road. If I don't use it, I don't pay for it. If out-of-staters use it, they pay for it. It's a user fee, which is preferred over general taxation. And for the Doyle haters, just remember how long Tommy had to screw up the State....

rexkramer . . Sorry you missed the sarcasm.

Crafty,

Three years ago, the current economic mess did not exist. It would be irresponsible to now refuse to look at all possible solution simply because of a promise made in different circumstances.

woodsman,

Just vice-versa. The interstates in Wisconsin were built with federal grants that prohibited tolls; the Illinois toll ways were not. That doesn't mean permission from the feds couldn't be got, but it wont be easy.

As far as I'm concerned the State and Federal Government should do like the average person, if you don't have the money, cut your spending habits and don't borrow money, simple as that, then maybe there would be light at the end of the tunnel, instead of more debt.

Take this one step further. Once the "state owned" tolls booths are up and running funded by state. Then to solve the budget crisis the state will sell the rights to the toll booths to a private company. Short term gain but long term loss. We the people put these officials in office - We the people need to take action.

"Good God! Maybe if the jerk would quit stealing from the transportation fund for his favorite ideas, it would still have money in it."

C'mon now, that's the way of government. Make promises beyond your capabilities, then shake down the taxpayer to back up your promises, lather, rinse, repeat.

Noooooooo! Don't turn Wisconsin into Illinois! Cut spending on something else - we all know there is plenty of fat in the state budget.

Our great Governor would NEVER go back on his word!

Hey Doyle, POUND SAND!

I always thought that ILL. had toll roads because the fed's owned the roads & that's why WE couldn't because the state owned the roads here!!

taxing corporations will lose jobs. Wake up people, companies will make money no matter what or they will move on (i.e. Gilman, GM, etc.). Many people are bringing up the right things to discuss, which is less spending so you don't have to figure out where to tax more. We should be lobbying for less spending and now. Every household is having to spend less, why can't our Governments?

This is has finally reached the point that it is so sad it's funny, but I won't say I told you so.
For those that realize the mistake welcome to the light.

Yeah maybe the fibbers wouldn't take up all the camp sites at our stateparks. so maybe a WI resident could get one sometime

Of course We will still pay gasoline taxes. My point is the people who use the roads more should pay to use them. (Toll Roads) The gasoline tax is not a fair tax. Frequent users and larger Trucks help destroy the roads. When I lived in Co. they even paid off a road and took the toll booths down. (Boulder Turnpike)

if you put toll booths at the entrance to the state on 90 and 94 and hook it to the I-pass fromm ill.charge a flat 5.00 dollar fee to enter the state. those i-passes work with all other toll roads in the country. the money comes back to wi. someone knows how much money this would create.know one wants this,but if it has to happen lets get the most out of our visitors

Good God! Maybe if the jerk would quit stealing from the transportation fund for his favorite ideas, it would still have money in it.

I have always been under the impression that we couldn't put tolls on any roads that were built with the assistance of federal funds. If I'm not mistaken that would include the interstate system in Wisconsin. If that's the case what hiways can we charge tolls on? I'd hate to have to pay a toll to drive on highway 26.

The road fund was raided and the money went to the teachers. Take the middle man out -- tax the students.

Seems teachers can vote and roads can not.

Wasn't there a clause that when we accepted a certain amount of federal money for our highways that we couldn't put in toll roads?

I said it once and I will say it one more time.......hold on to your wallets!!!!! This is only the start of things to come

STAY SAFE!!!!

Doyle is an anti-American socialist, clear and simple. I kick myself everyday for voting for him.

Add this stupid idea to one of many for Doyle. I hope he is not running again for Governor.

Who's Paying off Governor Doyle??? Sounds like another Blago!!
So much for the stimulus plan...

went4milk,

Wake up. You will still have to pay that gas tax. They won't cut taxes because of the toll roads.

Stay away from those. You don't need them with your existing tax structure. Once you get them, they never go away!!

I thought this wonderful stimulus plan was to pay for road repairs??

How much does it cost to build a single toll booth? Where will the money come to build them?

WOW!! At long last the Govenor has woke up. It is time to have this conversation about Tolls roads in Wisconsin. Start with the "I" system and then any 4 lane road. Time to let the heavy users pay their fair share. The gasoline tax is not the fair tax to pay for the repairs of bridges and roads. Cutting expenses will not help. No one wants a salary decrease.

Put toll booths on all highways at all borders, but don't be putting them up near Madison or Milwaukee. Let the out-of-staters who have enjoyed the free ride for years pick up the check for a change. Do you really think a Chicagoan is going to blink at $2 to reach his summer home in Mercer? At the same time, there's no reason for the overtaxed residents of this state to have to come up with more money just to get to work in larger urban areas. Toll booths are a great idea, if done correctly.

Does anyone know how much Doyle makes in a year including perks? I am just curious.

Hey, how about taxing the corporations? We have some of the lowest taxes on corporations of the 50 states. No, but, we'll, instead, tax the poor guy, who needs to travel to Madison to work because he can't afford a house there. These kind of taxes (tolls and other fees) disproportionately effect the poor.

Doyle, open to another way to tax the people of Wisconsin? Naah, can't be. After all, "We cannot, we must not raise taxes". That quote sound familiar. That's the re-election call of the Tax Sucking Doyle every 4 years. As far as much needed repairs for roads, what the hell are my sky high taxes going for now? This state ranks in the top 5 of nearly every taxation category, including gasoline tax, which by the way is allegedly supposed to be for road repair, and this clown wants to find more ways to stick it to the taxpayer. Even worse, there appears to be enough folks out there who feel they just haven't paid enough who are more than willing to just fork over their money to the government. Wake up folks, time to pull your heads out of the sand, or other crevices that I cannot mention here, and realize that this dope is going to tax this state into oblivion if he's allowed to by his subjects. This country has fought wars based on the same principal.

Yes Yes Yes Yes..... FIBBERS finally might be able to enjoy the pleasure we get driving on their roads

(Sitting back and waiting for the inevitable.)

Tax the fibs and other out-of-state commuters. Leave us alone!

If tolls were to begin, would other taxes go down? I believe other states with tolls have lower taxes than Wisconsin. Tolls provide the money they need. Anyone know about this?

We are taxed enough in this state. Where is all the money going? Wisconsin ranks among the top taxed states in the country and were always broke? You can't keep taxing people to death. CUT THE SPENDING!!