misterlippy - If you want the Government to control even more in your life, that is fine. Give them an inch, they will take a mile. As a hunter, you should know that. I would never want our Country to follow Europe with regards to anything gun related. They have a lower level of gun ownership? Of course they do. They practically banned guns. Why would you want that? I'm a little confused on how you think you're going to completely control some nut job getting a gun unless they are completely banned. Not going to happen. There is background checks done now. People can still steal guns and you also can't predict if someone decides to go psycho. Such is life.

lol. this story isnt about you either. i just wanted to call you on your BLATANT hypocrisy.

so spark, what you are suggesting is that hunting is primarily located in the U.S. and that "we" don't want to go to the direction of other countries because they don't hunt? And apologies for generalising guns as weapons - i was typing hastily at work -

"The United Kingdom (except Northern Ireland) has one of the lowest levels of gun ownership and one of the lowest rates of intentional gun deaths." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politic...

Just one perspective.

I want to hunt - I do not want to have the right to tote a gun wherever I please, as I do not want others to have that right - I fear others much more than I fear myself. Register my gun like crazy and make sure as few of the nutjobs in the world are afforded that same right. Determining who is or not a "nutjob" is another thing........

Katy - So are you classifying anyone that uses one of these weapons as a killer and a violent person? I'd be careful with that assumption because that simply is false. Putting people that hunt in the same category as people that murder. The fact is, these "weapons' were created to hunt. It's really pretty simple.
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As far as the comments, etc on these blogs. I would have no problem saying the same things to someone's face, especially on this particular subject. Gun control does exist in the United States and has for sometime. The problem is, there's still thieves. They will get what they want. That's why this debate is pointless because all the people against gun's, never use the facts and never place the blame where it should be placed. It makes them sound completely uneducated on the matter.

Once deadly projectile weapons were invented, the mindset of the killer was enabled to become detached from the action. After the first bow and arrow or cross-bow or trebuchet or slingshot (I am unversed in weapons development history) was invented, man enabled himself to detach from the violence of his action by not being able to up close and personally see the result of his violence.

It's somewhat similar to the ability to anonymously slam somebody on a blog. People are much more venomous during their interactions by email and blogging than they are in person. There are fewer social restrictions because one does not seem to feel compelled to follow the "rules of engagement" as an anonymous poster. The consequences of non-civil discourse are not immediate to the anonymous poster (like a bloody nose or black eye he or she would get for saying such things in person) and he or she continues unchecked or unabated, unless the bloglord removes the most vicious comments.

I don't know what the answer is, but these thoughts go through my head every time "gun control" concepts are discussed.

thekid: This story isn't about you so let's not go there.

curtaincall: just how stupid are you? well I think your comments answer that for us. I've had guns for a long time and nothing bad has ever happened. You also say sane people have used guns to kill, ok I'll agree with that so that means it's still not the guns fault but the person behind it. Sarah: it still took that finger to pull the trigger otherwise the gun wouldn't have fired.

misterlippy - You should be a little more clear in your posts. You sound like you are generalizing guns and weapons in one lump and now you're talking about handguns. You mentioned other countries, and those are not good examples. Many of the other countries, have gun bans, not control. They are far from the direction we want, especially for hunters. We're not the criminals.

below should read "nor should some thug"

quam6535 -Back to one of your earlier posts-in order for someone to eat a steak there needs to be a person+steak+a knife. Because you like to eat, does that make you a knife lover? Do we ban all knifes because of all the people that have been murdered by them?
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You said "To say that the PERSON killed these people just because you love guns, misrepresents what happened."
What? No, that is what happened. The gun didn't walk up and shoot the person by itself!

Where in my statement did I suggest banning guns? I am a deer hunter and the proud owner of a 12 gauge shotgun and 30.06 rifle and there is not a chance someone is pulling these from me. No, Obama isn't coming to my door, nor any of yours, to take my/our guns. This, however, doesn't mean I want or should be toting around a handgun at all times not should some thug who has nothing but bad intentions. I am a liberal, I am a gun owner and I don't have the answers, just ideas. But suggesting we always have a device on our person that has the capability of killing another person is ludicrous. I suppose you suggesting putting out a fire by throwing more matches in the fire??

Bottom line, there is no easy solution - but thinking that we should all be friggin Wyatt Earp and have a showdown at the OK corral is far from logical.

misterlippy - Interesting spin on the situation. You could also do some research to find out the countries that completely banned guns had a huge increase in crime. The thought of a police officer not being to carry a gun has to be one of the most insane, dumb things I have ever heard. Do you think people can't be violent in other forms? You used the word weapons? There are other weapons other than guns. Which is it?
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Funny, I hunt a long with millions of others and the thought of killing a human being with my guns never crossed my mind. Why? Because I'm intelligent, respect the human life and have my head screwed on the right direction. Jesus, are you people kidding me about blaming a gun for someone being psycho?

curtaincall - The only thing stupid, is your comments that take away any form of accountability for one's actions. You should really educate yourself on the gun situation and laws.
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You also said "There is no good reason for anyone to have to carry a gun. None. NOT if you are a normal person who can rationalize things and not resort to violence." HUH!? If you are a normal person who can rationalize things, we wouldn't be talking about three dead people right now. The thought of killing someone wouldn't even be talked about if someone was normal. Sorry, has nothing to do with the gun. By the way, it's legal to hunt, so there is a reason for people to have guns. Seriously, come on!

justaguy: good comment...'I don't want my right to own a gun taken away just cuz some nut job can't handle life'. i can quote the same thing for my argument.

Well said Werpknarly. Most of you gunnuts haven't been out of the country, let alone Rock county, to see what gun control truly does to a country.

I visit cousins in Norway somewhat regularly - I had about an hour conversation with a patrol officer in Oslo about 7 years ago and had asked him why the police are unarmed - he had stated that the reason they don't need weapons is because the people didn't either - they had their weapons under CONTROL. They didn't have the violent crimes we had in a large part due to this fact. This is only one small example, but I find it amazing that the ones that are yelling the loudest about guns are the ones with the narrowest perspectives - perhaps I'm wrong...but probably not.

You have to wonder if this was gang related in anyway? I would suspect that it was. . .

But the problem is anyone can get a gun. Legally or not. These people that are trying to make the excuse that its not the 'guns' fault are stupid. It's these type of people that should not be let any where near a gun. Because they sound like the type of people who think its always the other person's fault and they did nothing wrong. That argument of it takes a whacko is just stupid. Some very sane people have killed before, not whacko just thought they could get away with it.

werpkarly: but what else does that tell us we have the most of? the country with the most WACKOS .... and that means it's still the person that kills, if you have a gun in a room will that gum kill someone? no, put a wacko in that room with a gun and then someone might get shot.

spikesmom: the gun still needed someone to pull the trigger, this guy using the gun knew he was going to kill more than one person, so he picked a gun to use to do it, if he was only planning on killing one person he may have decided to use a knife or maybe a baseball bat .... it is still PEOPLE THAT KILL PEOPLE ... not the gun.

Well, hello browntown. I see you are spewing slime as you so often do. Your rationale is enlightening...thank you. Good day!

if EVERYONE there had a gun, they'd only have to shoot once to kill everyone...

the country with the most guns? USA! Country with the most gun deaths per 1000?... USA ! YES WE ARE STILL THE BEST.

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I can't recall the last time somebody went on a chinese throwing star spree. Obviously people that wish to commit these acts are going to use the one weapon that will inflict the most damage in the least amount of time. Guns do that.

People kill people.

it has been a long week.....

no not here........sorry if you miss understood.........but hey i'm well rounded anyways , so if i'm called one in here or there or anywhere it will just run off now. LOL

chainsaw-are you talking about this blog? If so, no one called you anything...

well lets see. So far this week I have been called an angry mobster, a smart man, a smart a**, a old man and now just maybe an idiot. Thank you very much for completing my week I feel well rounded now.....LOL

dw-that should have been a statement, not a question. No need to reply.

dw-Are you an idiot? Obviously, the guy that pulled the trigger is responsible. The idiots on this blog are unbelievable.

So, should we outlaw alcohol, or vehicles, because they will kill with a drunk at the wheel? Who really is at fault in this case, the drunk, the alcohol, or the vehicle, hmmm?

janesvillean: True but still takes a person to pull a trigger, I don't want my right to own a gun taken away just cuz some nut job can't handle life. Read the news papers and you'll see 100 different ways wockos are killing people, not all are by gun.

Guns allow people to kill more people faster.

curtaincall: So you say if this guy wouldn't have had a gun someone may have been able to run to safety? What if the wacko pulled out a knife but one of the brothers pulls out a gun and kills the would be killer? would it have been ok to use a gun then? GUNS DO NOT KILL PEOPLE KILL, why is that so hard for some to figure out.I'm not a gun nut but do have a small collection of WW II rifles, i'm not a killer but if some punk trys to get into my house a 2 a.m. with a gun he won't be walking out. Killers have one thing on their minds as I guess thing one did but I will defend myself, a big difference.

Good grief. Didn't we just have this conversation last weekend???? The gun killed these young men via the IDIOT who pulled the trigger. the gun was only doing what it was told to do. I just hear the defense ......"but your honor....my client didn't shoot these men the gun did it cause it was bored laying in its case that night.....ok you get the drift.....my condolences go out to the families of the victims.

There will ALWAYs be guns, just like there will ALWAYS be drugs. This guy would have gotten a gun. You seem to think it makes a difference if they are easily accessible. It wouldn't have made a difference.

If guns were not so available he at the very least would not have been able to kill all three.. Some one would have been able to run. Some one having a gun took any real chance of that away. There is no good reason for anyone to have to carry a gun. None. NOT if you are a normal person who can rationalize things and not resort to violence.

Justaguy-Exactly!

A very sad thing to have happen, but to say it was the gun ... or even the bullets that killed these brothers is pretty lame. What if this wacko would have set the trailer on fire to kill these people ... you going to blaim the person or the fire for the murders? This person for some reason wanted these brothers killed and I think he would have done it no matter what it took. Guam: Sounds like you don't have a clue, this wacko killed these people and your trying to get half the murder charge put on the gun ... not a clue.

Your ASSuming I love guns, I don't. This freak would have killed these people with a knife or by some other means because that was his intention.

right, but you can't discount the parts of the equation that had to come together for these 3 young men to be murdered. There needed to a person+a gun+bullets. To say that the PERSON killed these people just because you love guns, misrepresents what happened. Guns make it easier for people to murder. Plain and simple.

Right Quam, but this guy had to physically pull the trigger for that to happen.

technically the bullet killed these people

Gotta love people who think guns kill. PEOPLE kill. If this freak didn't have a gun, he would have done it some other way..HELLO.

Wasn't there a Vang from Minnesota involved in a shooting incident over hunting a few years back?

Wow, talk about generalizations. You are comparing a knife to a gun? With a knife, there is a little more human involvement, it's a little more close up, if all that was available to this man was a knife, these people still might be alive. It's like the hunter that has no problem shooting the deer, but when it comes time to gut it, doesn't have the stomach. You have to really want to kill someone to do it with a knife.

Well said as usual Rex...

rexkramer, I couldn't agree with you more.

"How very sad. Guns are way to easy to get."

Ya, it's the gun's fault. Apparently their about as "easy to get" as a computer is for an idiot who posts ignorant generalizations on a news website. Not that I'm talking about anyone in particular.

How very sad. Guns are way to easy to get.
Our prays go out to this family.