Just wonder'n Lemke...but what would posess you to resurrect this blog after 4 months?

Demons?

boy jnvlhtr sure does have a Hard-On for Brad...Hmmm can jnvlhtr and Brad Knapp be one in the same?

schnnnstac1 agrees with southmain51.

I have not fallen by the wayside! Remember I went back to school to learn the "Janesville" meaning of suspicion. Schunc I agree, it is not worth our time to argue with such ignorant creatures. Also Brad does not live in Janesville, nor has he in nearly 20 years. I find it very funny that this person who claims they worked with him would say he has had a DUI when the person charged in 2004 lives in Janesville. Brad had lived in Evansville for nearly 20 years, and STILL lives there with is wife and family. His boys went to HS there and played Varsity BB. My last and FINAL comment is that no one will ever know the truth of what happened except for the parties involved, and I have a feeling that not one of these postsers are one of them.

schnnchtac1, I supplied my proof. Where is yours?

And apparently your therapeutic "success" didn't do anything to improve your ability to judge character. On the other hand, Knapp my have displayed a momentary and uncharacteristic ability to judge your character.

And maybe you can comment on how your "successful" therapy still requires that you rely on prayer.

Southmain51, I did not know that about Brad. But it is nice to hear someone with ACTUAL knowledge based on first hand experiences. I saw Brad for a little under a year and never would of guessed anything like that from him. My experience with him helped me through a tough time in my life, and I will be forever grateful. Even though those things happened, that still does not mean his actions in this situation were "forceful". Like I said before he made a wrong choice and will have to take the consequences.
I will not go back on my statements about people still being so nasty and hateful. And debating with someone who "has proof God doesn't exist", is a waste of time.

southmain51, the defenders of Knapp have seen the light and have fallen by the wayside.

If the way schnnstac1 thinks and writes is an example of "successful" therapy, then Knapp should have his license revoked for that alone!

Laws and regulations are put in place for a reason. Sometimes we might not agree with those laws or regulations but particularly in cases where the regulations dictate professional conduct, one must abide by them or suffer the consequences.

It doesn't matter if she looked as though she walked right out of a centerfold, told him she was madly in lust with him, and began doing a striptease. He is the professional who must follow the regulations set forth by the licensing authority as well as the laws set down by the State of Wisconsin. If you belong to a licensed profession, you agree to abide by those regulations and laws.

Based only on the information in the news stories, his conduct was unethical and violated professional codes of conduct.

Several people have commented that they think the patient in this case might have done this as a form of revenge. Um, if the good therapist had kept it in his pants and followed the rules, he wouldn't have found himself in this position. Just food for thought....

stac1 and jvn and some others here attack the decision that suspended Knapp's license. But Knapp chose to abide by that ruling body before and at the time the decision to suspend was made. If the defenders think the suspension was a bad decision then they are, in effect, accusing Knapp of impaired judgment. Impaired judgment is consistent with his decision to have sex with his patient.

And stac1, jnvhtr, and 961WI would have a female family member or female friend receive therapy from a therapist who had sex with a patient and had his license suspended for such.

And stac1, thanks for surrendering.

I too would refer ANYONE to Brad. Gazeetefan, Your a very small minded ignorant person who must live a lonely life full of anger and self hatred. Your are quite welomce schn. We both know that anyone who attacks someone for seeking help is in more need of help that either of us would ever be.

Heck YES I would recomend him to a female friend or family member!! That's exactly how 2 of my friends ended up seeing him! As for the insults I am throwing at you, they are based off of your own words. Your insults are based on assumtions. I do not have to explain to you why I sought therapy. I wonder if you realize that you also just insulted the "victim" you were defending so hard? And not to mention over %50 of the population!
I will say I am done going back and forth with you! You have proved my point for me. The fact that you started the post with "attack" shows who you are. You say you are active in the community, well I will pray that you hold no authority or work with children.
I will stand by what I said about Brad. I will also pray for both of the families involved.
Jnvlhtr, Thank you for coming to my defense. I look forward to hearing more from you on other stories:o)

jnv...., your concern about my posts only reveals that your attempt to write one is a very difficult task. I am probably two or three times more active outside the home than you are. You and she also reveal that you both had and still have a severe inability to deal with other people. Also re: my remark about stac, it appropriately followed from her stupid comments about me.

Now here's a question for both you geniuses:

Would you recommend Knapp to a female family member or female friend for therapy? Neither of you will probably answer the question in writing here. But both of you will most certainly answer it in your heads.

Gazettefan, you accused me of making low life inuslts towards you by calling you ignorant, yet you are calling this woman and MILLIONS of others "losers" and "pathetic" because they turned for help in life? Those insults are as low life as it gets! After looking at your profile, I would venture to say that since you have made 4,228 posts you don't get out much and maybe you're the one who should get a life.

Another stac-attack. Your self-esteem is definitely too high if you think you are speaking intelligently about this matter. And you can't tell me anything about dealing with society, you are the loser who had to pay a stranger -an abusive person for that matter- to listen to your pathetic inability to deal with life. Grow up!

And you are also assuming the woman he had an affair with is attractive?! What the heck does that have to do with anything?
I take it you are assuming I am an unattractive woman? FYI, I am happily married and my husband tells me I'm beautiful everyday! Thanks for the laugh though!!

Wow, thank you!! You both proved my point!! I guess some people will always look at the negative and take little things(my typo....lol) and twist them for their benefit! Now you are assuming things about me! The many grads I am talking about are much older then me and have been working in their field for many years, so where did you pull that from? As for Brad not "hitting" on me, what is that suppose to mean? I said he was a respectable guy to a couple of friends and myself, and now the assumption is because he didn't hit on me I'm not his type?? WOW!!! So, all the women he didn't "hit" on must not of been his type, or he would have??
Gazettefan your lack of intelligence is showing for you to say my esteem is too high? I am the one putting myself out there and speaking of myself on a level that is equal to others! You are the one pointing, judging, and assuming which makes you appear to think of yourself on a higher level. You talk of what's going on here, but you have nothing but a few sentences of an article and your obvious fear of society to back you! Come join the rest of us in the real world and fall on your face a few times before you sit and judge! OR instead of trying to open and expand your vocabulary open and expand your MIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Opening your heart might be a little helpful too!)

schnnc....., you are an excellent of example of how self-esteem is an over sold product of the psych-profession. Your inappropriately high opinion of your intelligence is in great contrast to your inability to grasp the point of what's going on here.

You also exhibit an unhealthy attachment to your therapist -a person who can't be trusted in the presence of another person who is in a weakened condition.

Let's hear from attractive women (be honest) who are former patients of Knapp: Did he hit on you or not?

Im Going to make some popcorn... this is better then going to the movies :P

gmaof - that comment about Brad not being her type is so inappropriate and uncalled for. You are about as low class as it comes.

schnckstac1... Your "MAY" college grads... haven't lived long enough to figure it out. And no, I do not know this woman. So nice Knapp was able to help ya out. You were obviously were NOT "his type".

How is any of this "hateful and nasty"? Just analyzing what was in the Gazette. What about HER family? She doesn't have a code of ethics as a patient.

I have made huge mistakes in my life and I know first hand what it is like to have people just ASSUME the worst! I know what it's like to be in a hole I(re-read that, I said I!!) dug for myself and have people like all of you point and judge!! I have spent my life trying to "prove" myself to people who feel they are superior!! I may not have a college education, BUT I do have GREAT insight and EXPERIENCE that has been respected from MAY college grads who couldn't quite figure out the answer.
If she was the victim you all claimed, wouldn't there be an arrest?? If she was so incapable of making an adult decision, wouldn't there be more consequences?
I did NOT say he didn't make a mistake!!! I did not say his family wouldn't have to suffer because of HIS choices!! So, you justify the fact that you are possibly bringing MORE pain to his family because he did it first? It was printed in the Gazette, so we have the RIGHT to be hateful and nasty? Yes, I will warn my children about people who will only make them feel worse about themselves when they make a mistake!! Yes, I will warn my children about people who use big words to try to make themselves feel superior over them! I will not teach my children to assume the worst in people! I also DO teach my children about personal responsibility!! I teach them every choice has consequences, good and bad! I will ALSO teach them EMPATHY! I will teach them to know all the facts before they just dismiss someone!
When I "defend" Brad I am defending him based on numerous personal sessions with him. I am also basing it on the fact that he helped a good friend through a pretty rough situation!! When you are coming to the "victim's" defense, do you have ANY personal ties to her? Do you know her?

Gazettefan and RUserious... Of course friends of this guy will support him. Friends will turn a blind eye to the obvious until it is proven as rock hard criminal activity in a court of law with irrefutable facts. Makes no difference he didn't argue the charges. It was just a teeny weeny little mistake... oops, my bad.
Whatever...

"As a mother it saddens me that I am going to have to warn my children about people like you while growing up in an already hard world!!"

I wouldn't worry about those of us that were brought up to expect ALL people to be held accountable for their OWN actions! I am more concerned about people like you who feel everyone is entitled to coddling - simply because you don't personally know the victim, or because you MIGHT know the "coked up teacher" that is teaching YOUR kids, or the fact that MY grandchild might be getting harassed on the playground by YOUR kid... God forbid ANYONE is held accountable anymore.

Being PC is not morally correct when you are not seeing with your own eyes, what is going on around you. What kind of generation are you raising???

Regarding the rude little comments referring to one's intelligence or college education or anything else small minds come up with... its simply a futile attempt to make themselves seem more important than others.
Hey, whatever "floats yer boat"!!!

Not to mention that she wants to keep her kids away from people who use big words and write well-written opinions.

schnckstac1-are you being purposefully ironic in these statements? You can't possibly reread them and still be serious.
"... I am going to have to warn my children about people like you..." meaning people who expect this professional to act professional-but you will defend one who didn't, and perhaps recommend HIM to your children?
"... It also is sad that NONE OF YOU even think of his family and children..."
Shouldn't that have been the therapist's job-to think of his family??
"...He will have to face enough of his own consequences..." Yeah-so? Who else should face consequences for HIS actions, or should he get a free pass for cheating on his wife by sleeping with an insurance-paid patient?

schnnn......., concentrate on keeping your kids away from Knapp!

So, what part of taking advantage of a client who is already at, possibly, their lowest point, NOT a monster? He is the professional, trained to follow the intense Code of Ethics and professional boundaries. She is the client. I understand it affects his family, but he made a poor, unprofessional choice when he crossed that therapist-client boundary.

gazettefan and the rest of you trying to make this out to be a rape case are an embarassment to the human population!! How dare you!! You say I don't know the facts, well neither do you! I know about depression and I am here to tell you it is NOT an excuse or a free ride for ANYTHING!! Gazettefan, your big words and well written posts also do NOT make you right or intelligent! They actually make you appear to be quite the opposite!
You ought to be ashamed of yourselves!! Who made you the judge and jury? As a mother it saddens me that I am going to have to warn my children about people like you while growing up in an already hard world!!
For the record, I do know Brad Knapp, and from the article it appears he made a mistake. He is NOT the MONSTER you all are painting him out to be!!!! He will have to face enough of his own consequences, too bad he will have to face people from this community like you. It also is sad that none of you even think of his family and children while writing the things you do!! It shows how much hate and anger live in some's hearts!!! How sad!!!

Milton.... and just....., this is probably the tip of the ice berg. Not all such cases get reported.

Great post, awayfromhere,

What matters is that he broke the code of ethics that governs his practice. The reason that code does not allow sex between therapist and client is because clients are in a vulnerable state. Depression and the other issues this woman was dealing with ARE major issues - she wouldn't have been in counseling otherwise. And the reason she waited to report it was probably the same reason many sexual assault victims wait - because they are vulnerable, embarrassed, and confused.

For once I agree with justsaynotomath, I never thought this day would come :)

gmaof3, yours is a very important post. The defenders want to speculate against the decision of the ruling body that Knapp chose to abide by. Your speculation is consistent with the decision of that ruling body.

The defenders attack the decision. But Knapp chose to abide by that ruling body before and at the time the decision to suspend was made. If the defenders think the suspension was a bad decision then they are, in effect, accusing Knapp of impaired judgment. Impaired judgment is consistent with his decision to have sex with his patient.

We don't have any RIGHT to know anything about the victim. As a victim, her rights are protected, just as any other rape victim is protected! Also, under HIPPA laws - "It protects any kind of health information such as office visits, tests and procedures, diagnosis, or other facets of medical care. This includes mental health information, therapy, counseling or other aspects of mental health care." (HIPPA.com)

You can speculate all you wish, but "...The woman had issues with depression, alcohol abuse and her marriage. Knapp began a RELATIONSHIP with the woman during treatment."

13 MONTHS of therapy to groom her using his self-imposed "GOD syndrome" complex. How do any of you even know what those 5 months might have been like for her, before she had the guts to report it? Since you people continue to accuse her (your "Tango" analogy) after her "therapy" with Knapp, she may have received guidance from her minister, her family, her friends... Perhaps he continued to call her and threaten harm if she ever reported it... NONE of you know all the details.
I certainly don't, but none of YOU do EITHER!!!

But if you want to continue to SPECULATE and blame her for some perceived vendetta, keep goin'.... I will keep speculating as well!

I will not have time to post anymore because I have decided to go back to school and learn when suspicion became fact and truth. Good luck to the majority of you posters trying to get accross to these ignorant posters that there is more to this than we know and just because a person "CLAIMS" they had "SEX" does not mean it happened........that is what SUSPICION MEANS! Or so I thought.

Thanks for copying and pasting my comments. I forgot how appropriately poignant they are.

I tossed those comments at someone who did something very wrong; and I am asking reasonable questions -yet unanswered. You are speaking off-point and insulting me for strongly and articulately engaging in a debate.

I would rather be called ignorant than what you have been saying about Brad Knapp. Here are some quotes from YOUR previous posts.

"Knapp's actions should be regarded as statutory rape in the same way that an adult having sex with a consenting child is statutory rape."

"He was both the pimp and the john as he transformed his patient into a "prostitute."

"Permanent revocation for Knapp?! How about some prison time?!"

OK now WHO is throwing out low-life insults again? Hmmmmm........

This married man is in a position of trust, advising people in times of emotional vulnerability and turmoil in their lives? This man slept with one of these patients who pay him for being a wise man of personal strength and integrity? So-he wasn't supposed to check his private life (and parts) at the door when he went in to work?
This patient may, by the very virtue of being a patient in a mental health setting, be weak, may be expected to be volatile or unpredictable-but some of you want HER to carry all or some of the blame of this therapists' suspension?
And some of you suggest she was a vindictive woman who turned against him because her insurance payments ran out, thus her "therapy" ran out? But it was ok for HIM to stop the "sessions" at that time? (And so you are also suggesting he is turning tricks for money-so it probably wasn't an isolated incident-and you find that ok?) I'm thinking the world just turned upside-down.

jnv....., why don't you answer reasonable questions instead of resorting to low-life insults?

The so called "defender" posters far out weight your judge and jury posters Gazettefan. Why don't you scroll down and read all of them again. I agree with you Milstew, there is no way gazettefan or the rest will see our point of view and that is because of their ignorance and need for vengance attitude.

The valid reasons for criticizing Knapp have been nicely stated by many posters. To those of you who keep asking the same questions, scroll down and read those posts again.

And then answer these questions:

Is there anything that prevents Knapp from publicly claiming innocence?

And is there anything that prevents Knapp from publicly making the mitigating defense of the actions for which his license was suspended that his defenders are making here?

If the victim was also an adult with no major mental issues, then there is nothing wrong with what they did. Depression, alcohol abuse and marriage issues are not major in my book. They are common issues that most people deal with.
If this was a minor or the "victim" had severe mental issues then I want to know why he only got suspended instead of jailed?
I find it hard to believe that there was a "victim" in this situation. If after 3 encounters, she called the cops I might be more convinced. But for someone to go to someone's employer (proper chain of command) tells me that someone is pretty competent. Therefore a consenting adult. I bet that he said that she had to find a way to pay him (since the insurance ended) or he told her they were done-that's why she turned him in.

after reading all these post, ive come to the conclusion, that no matter what is said or done we are not going to win with gazette fan. there must be a personal vendetta in this situation, for gazette fan to want this man charged with statutory rape and given prison time. so, what are we not being told. so, enlighten us gazette fan.tell us why you want this man punished so severly, and dont give me that he broke a code of ethics crap. an wheres this woman,why do we not know anything about her, seeing how she is such a victim.it is not good to judge someone gazette fan, it will come back ten fold.and to the gazette the people need more info on this situation.

Did you read the story???? She didn't claim herself as a victim until after it happened 3 times and over a year later!!!!! I do want to know why it took her so long? And as far as a statement about "his type", what is that???? To classify someone as a "type" of person is ignorant!!! You also are making it clear to what "type" of person you are!!! Yes, he had a code of ethics and he will have to pay for his mistake, and he did disrespect his wife and family. BUT, that is something that happens EVERYDAY!!!! And she also had a husband, so what about her responsibility? People cheat all of the time!!! That does not mean he is some sort of sexual predator!!! Yes his title holds him to a higher standard, BUT nowhere in the article did it say he forced her!!
The quick judgement and nasty things some of you have to say is half of this world's problems!!! People get this idea in their head that they know how things must be and run their mouths!! Do you know how many people are suffering from depression because they have made a terrible mistake and get slammed to the floor with judgements? They are never given a chance to stand for themselves because everyone already has them classified into a "type"!!! There are MILLIONS of good people out there that have A LOT to offer, but become so drowned with fear from others they isolate themselves!!
I'd also like to know why the Gazette felt the need to write this story? Why it's just now coming out? And who felt the need to leak it to the Gazette??

The ignorance that is being posted by you and others is what is moronic. Your suggestion that I am childish and using slang phrases from Micheal Jackson is well "heh-hehehhhh" and tells me a lot about you and your maturity level.

heh-hehehhhh... Just using the word "hater" tells me a lot. This moronic use of the word "hater" is childish. "...on the hater bandwagon..."
Oh pulleeeeeze! How has this word become such slang? The whole business with Micheal Jackson was such a fiasco. People were called "haters" or fans. This is what this sounds like!

Knapp has some serious issues with regard to women and respect, as far as I can tell from this story. He has a wife (for now anyway) and his conduct with a patient shows no regard or respect for his own wife, let alone what he is teaching his children!

I don't HAVE TO know him! I know his type. As far as being able to return to this field, he just "burned" his counselor card as far as I am concerned! Just as that heroin addicted young woman who was a teacher. How is any of this "a little mistake"???

It qualifies as a breach of conduct and trust and... wow! Some of you people simply amaze me! If it was your sister or mother or daughter he targeted and victimized, you would be singing another tune!

AgainWithThis.... " It wasn't a mistake, it was a delibirate act of sex--on more than one occasion".. that is what you said... so if it was deliberate for one..wouldnt it be the same for the female?... I mean I am just asking here, but sounds rather contradicting to me

Which is it? It didn't happen or we should forgive him for what he did?

Do you know more than the rest of us? Because once again let me remind everyone that the statement released by the State was he was suspended on SUSPICION of sexual contact. When did suspicion mean factual? I don't see a response from Brad at all in the parts of the complaint the Gazette decided to print. It is State Law for them to investigate and question ALL parties involved. So why is there only her statements reported in the paper? For reactions like yours and others. To make it out to be this huge sex scandal, to sell papers and get people to visit their website. This is a ONE SIDED STORY and only ignorance see's it otherwise.

jnvlhtr~~Am I really the only one who believes that an adult can control their sexual urges? That an adult is so blinded by hormones and lust that they just 'make mistakes'? How ridiculous. It wasn't a mistake, it was a delibirate act of sex--on more than one occasion.

Schnck- how true! These people are nasty and do not know Brad. They obviously are not human, because ALL humans make mistakes. I guess they think people who have a title of actor, president, teacher, Dr, therapist, nurse, principle, or athlete are a different bread than us and should never have any human flaws. Maybe that is true on fantasy island, where they are from, but in the real world we all have flaws, we all have made poor choices in our lives that we regret and EVERYONE deserves the benifit of the doubt and forgiveness.

shop gurl~~it is NOT unrealistic to expect those who chose to be in positions such as this to be held to high standards. We are not animals without any restraint that can not control our sexual urges. If you say otherwise, then what of the standards for teachers, physicans, etc ?

jnvlhtr~~oh so, you know him more than even that?

As for the woman who saw him and said he was "coming on" to her. That is an ASSUMPTION!!!! When I saw him he didn't have ANY power kick! He talked to me like he was a real person and didn't put himself on any higher level. He talked of his own circumstances and lessons in life. Quit ASSUMING you know how things happened.
The fact that he left his job without a fight does NOT show guilt! The situation is NOT comparible to a rape!!!
People walk away from things without a fight because of people like all of you who are ready to throw them to the wolves. Sometimes people don't have the strength to fight against such NASTY people!!!!!!!!!!

Yea OK .. not really what I am saying at all... Im saying that what happened was indeed wrong.... and YES he made a really bad decision..and YES she was probably very vunerable..BUT it does take TWO people to make this ADULT decision. Now NOWHERE did I say that Brad should not be repremanded due to his violation of his employers and States code of ethics rules... what I am saying is that we cant blame anyone or judge anyone when we dont live in an IDEAL world and NONE of us follow every rule put in place ... just being realistic is all AgainWithThis

Seeing Brad a "few" times when he "first started out" does not equal knowing him.

shop gurl~~how shall we punish the woman? She is not the one who broke the code of ethics~~shall we stone her?

Honestly, it takes two people to enter into a relationship... BOTH knew what was happening..right wrong or indifferent people CANT blame just one of the parties. I will be the first to say that I believe that Brad should of used a bit more common sense..but who says you cant fall in love or begin to have feelings for a client? Ideal would say its CRAZY and not right..but we dont live in an IDEAL world. Who are we to judge either one of these people?? I do understand that what Brad did was wrong based on ethics..but otherwise.. like schnckstac1 says... "it takes 2 to tango".. they BOTH made an adult decision.. either punish BOTH or NONE at all!!

Ummm, if you'd read all my comments you would see that indeed I DO know Brad.

Again with this, Gazettefan, and whoever else is on the hater bandwagon, does anyone even know BRAD KNAPP? I would venture to say that is a big fat NO! Pretty easy to sit back and judge someone you don't know or have walked in their shoes. Hope karma doesn't turn around and bite you in the rear!

jnvlhtr~~he agreed to the suspension. He did nothing to try to prove his supposed innocence. Sorry, whether you or anyone else likes it, is an admission to guilt. And if he wants to protect his family, then he should have fought this to prove himself. He chose not to--then that leaves us with the fact that he was 'okay' with being viewed as guilty. You can throw whatever spin you'd like on it~~but what have is someone who accepted the 'guilty plea'. In my opinion, he got off way too easy.

Again with this, your name is so appropriate for this post. What KILLS me here is that you and Gazettefan are going off of a few sentances that are VAGUE and being judge and jury against this man! I think that the female needs to be held accountable for this as well. We will never know the true circumstances in this situation and I REFUSE to condem ONE person because of a generic statement released to the press.

Gazettefan, what I don't understand is why are you so quick to judge this situation without knowing all the facts. First of all the article even states SUSPICION of a sexual relationship. Just because he accepted his suspension that automaticly means it is a admission that the accusations are 100% correct? Is it possible that he did have somekind of relationship with this woman that was not appropriate but took the suspension to protect his wife and children from any further embarassment or hurt? (which he DOES have a wife and several children) Why are you so quick to judge him and not see there are probably several more angles to this story that we don't know and will never know? It is people like you that become judge and jury that scares me. I hope that you never find yourself in a situation where the facts are not public information and people convict you of something over a few vague sentances.

jnvlhte~~what does the woman have to be held accountable for? She had an affair~~yep, and that's between her and her husband. Brad has a different set of standards to be held accountable for. What the woman did does not make her accountable to the public, what Brad did does!

schnckstac1~~I DO know Brad. When Brad was first starting out I saw him a few times (I saw him through the Rock County center) to help me deal with the passing of my father. I agree he was compassionate, etc. BUT, that does NOT excuse what he did AT ALL!!! He was the one in power in this situation and it was HIS obligation to not let this happen. He was the one that needed to maintain the boundaries set here. I'm sure you are aware of how clients can come to identify with their counselors and how some develop feelings towards them. It was Brad's responsibility to not let this happen~~the woman and her issues, how she dealt with this, waiting to report it, etc are irrelevant.

Any person who is responsible for another person's physical or mental well-being is held to a higher standard for a reason. How does anyone know what issues this woman may have had? Depression can be extremely serious. It often times is the underlying cause of child abuse, drug/alcohol abuse to name just a few.

Knapp knew EXACTLY what he was doing. I agree with the statement that, perhaps this is just the first time he actually was caught for inappropriate behavior (putting it mildly). Obviously, if you have never been clinically depressed or know someone who is, you have no idea how destructive it can be.

"God syndrome" is a real issue with some who get into these professions. The sense of power and control over another ends up just like this!!!

How can anyone here say she could be at fault? He knew the "boundaries" and crossed THAT line!

Yes, Knapp accepted the suspension, but that doesn't mean all the accusations are 100% accurate. The punishment fits.

scnnnn......, consider this. Why should we believe that the only time Knapp did something like this he got caught. A female poster on this story or the other story stopped seeing Knapp because he was coming on to her.

Like with pedophiles, they don't get caught every time they do it.

BUT, with such a small story you don't have enough to make all the harsh judgemants you have. And FYI, just because someone has depression and seeks help it does NOT mean it is extreme. NONE of you know the full situation. I know Brad and I know how he has helped many. If you're going to church tomorrow make sure you ask for forgiveness for being so harsh and judgemental on him. Oh, and assuming the worst!!!!!!!!!!

Milton...., Knapp agreed to the suspension. Even if she enticed him, he was manipulative for taking advantage of his position and power.

And when it's all "over", you can recommend him to people.

Right, luvinlife. And Knapp effectively plead guilty.

jnl......, the woman didn't violate any laws or regulations. It was Knapp's status and position of trust that made him vulnerable to the regulation.

Mr. Knapp made a poor professional decision and is being punished appropriately. The decision he made doesn't make him a bad person, but makes him human. NONE of us know the entire story and unless there is some sort of criminal proceeding (which is unlikely unless there is evidence he manipulated her) we many never know all the circumstances. The complaint entails what the woman told the employer, not necessarily the truth. Let him serve his suspension and if he is found to be fit to practice again, then let it be so.

Did anyone ever hear of grooming? As a professional I have. Just like a child of an abuser. Instead of bashing the other person you should really think of all of the possibilites. Perhaps not a woman scorned but a woman abused???

If you disagree with the regulation, or if you think there should be exceptions to it, consider what the therapeutic profession would be like without it or what the profession would be like with exceptions to it. Really consider it. Consider how much more commonplace this sort of thing would be. And, consider the kind of people that would be drawn to the therapeutic profession.

That is the disagreement.

How clear does it have to be? What she did or didn't do has no bearing on Knapp's actions, he's as guilty as he could possibly be. No one is saying he forced himself on her. It doesn't matter if she was willing in any way, he shouldn't have gotten involved sexually with her. She could make a nationwide public announcement that it was her idea and so on and it would not matter.

The regulation Knapp violated doesn't have anything to do with her wishes re: having sex with him.

Gazettefan, does this mean you have read all our posts and comprehend that we do not defend his actions, just want the other party held accountable also?

What's the disagreement?

Is glad that the majority of us do not agree with Gazettefan.

To you defenders of Knapp: Why is it against regulations for Knapp to have had sex with her? Have you really thought about it?

And, again, it doesn't matter if she was willing (it takes two to tango), he wasn't supposed to let it happen! Get it?!

And, no, I didn't take pictures of any fire.

And to the person who'd like to have contact with perfection, you'll just have to settle for my perfect reasoning regarding this matter.

And to whoever downplayed the woman's depression: It must have been serious because Knapp took money for the treatment of that depression. Or are you accusing Knapp of inappropriately, illegally, and unethically taking money for a non-clinic disorder? Are you accusing him of insurance fraud? And what of the apparent therapy for sex implication? Was Knapp ripping her off and abusing her in that way too.

The more you people defend Knapp, the more and more guilty he looks of all kinds of bad things!!!

okiefed, I don't think people are defending him, I think what he did was totaly wrong, but it is disturbing that people automaticly assume he is 100% at fault and not hold her accountable at all. We know nothing about her except she was depressed, alcohol issues, and marital issues. Isn't it possible she too is in the therapy business or someother medical field? And does it matter? She is an adult, and once we turn 18 are we not ALL suppose to know the difference between right and wrong? Does she or anyone else get a free pass in life because of depression, alcohol, or marital issues because if that is the case then the jails will be empty. What I am getting at is what Brad did was beyond WRONG, but what she did also was WRONG and she needs to be held somewhat accountable too.

Schnckstac1, I couldn't of said it better myself. Even though I am a female, I am embarassed to be a womam right now because even though Brad made a LIFE CHANGING HORRIBLE MISTAKE why does she get a free pass? She is not to carry any blame or responsiblity for this? Brad is ousted in the public and his family will carry that shame forever, yet she is sitting back as a victim in this, not taking any responsiblity at all?!? Give me a break!

Is Gazettefan the same guy who was taking pictures of that fire??

gazettefan, since you are so judgemental on others you must lead a perfect life with no mistakes or skelletons in your closet. Can we meet because I have never met a perfect person before.

So, are you saying because someone is depressed they are unable to make a rational decision? I mean really depression is such a broad diagnosis these days and A LOT of people use it as a cop-out. My son has ADHD, so does that mean I should teach him he has no responsibility in anything, I think NOT! Yes, he made a wrong decision, and he will have to pay for his mistake. BUT how DARE any of you make such harsh judgements!!!
All the cases that have been on here about child neglect and murder, I wonder if they used depression as an excuse you would have the same things to say? Depression is NOT an excuse for her behavior!

Great points, marcody. Even if the woman was willing, Knapp had a professional, ethical, and humane responsibility to not approach her for sex nor to accept an invitation for sex.

Why is that so hard to understand for those of you who seem to be revealing misogynistic feelings?

SarahB and melstew, you two are using the number of my posts as an excuse to avoid the importance of the issue. Why?

(I copied and pasted my posts from the other story.)

Why doesn't the importance of the issue overshadow the number of my posts?

schnckstac1 says.."This appears to be a clear case of a woman who got pissed and is gonna "show him"". Are you kidding me ? This guy may be very nice and kind, as you say, but I wouldn't let him wash my car, let alone treat me for some mental disorder. This case is not very different from the 'nurse taking photos at Mercy Clinic in Walworth'. When it comes to our healthcare, I think we deserve a bit more professionalism. It may take 2 to tango, but when one is a professional therapist and the other a depressed person in need of help....it's not a fair dance.

i agree sarahB or there wouldnt be so much rage

gazettefan, anyone who is a fan of the Gazette obviously has issues of their own.

why is it so important to you that he be charged with statutory rape? and be given prison time. its sounds like you have a personal interest in this situation. do you know exactly what happened in this situation? i dont and niether do alot of people thats why i said the whole story needs to be printed not just what they want us to see and hear.

Sarah, the beef comes from what he did to his patient as determined by the Wisconsin Department of Regulation and Licensing. And from Knapp's attestation to the truth of that determination by way his agreeing to the suspension.

Next question.

He did assault her. Your definition of "assault" is too narrow. What Knapp did is tantamount to statutory rape.

The Wisconsin Department of Regulation and Licensing made the determination. And Knapp agreed to the suspension.

lol. prison time are you serious? i think the suspension,the humilation, and his career ruined is enough. i truly hope you dont work for the justice system,considering you want to put this man in prison.

i think his accuser should be posted also,niether party should be judged or run into the ground until the full story comes and it needs to come out. and yes this clearly is wrong anyway you look at it, but some of you act like this man assaulted this woman,there was no victims here,except the people that were hurt in his family by his actions and this woman, lets here all of the story before we start the lynching process.

"Role playing" is supposed to be a therapeutic technique. If the therapy "officially" stopped after the insurance payments stopped after which the the sex began, then there is a strong implication that the "stopped therapy" was a ruse and that the therapy continued in exchange for sex.

If this is the case, then Knapp had some perverse role playing going on in his head: He was both the pimp and the john as he transformed his patient into a "prostitute."

Permanent revocation for Knapp?! How about some prison time?!

The quote below from the State Journal highlights another outrage of psychotherapy and this matter: The therapy ends when the insurance payments stops. (The quote below contradicts the above story as to when the sex began but the sex was still tantamount to statutory rape in especially aggravating form in that the therapy ended when the insurance payments ended.)

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"JANESVILLE — The state Department of Regulation and Licensing has suspended the license of an advanced practice social worker from Janesville, saying he inappropriately had a sexual relationship with a client starting a week after she stopped treatment because she lost her insurance coverage."

And AgainwithThis:

Knapp's actions should be regarded as statutory rape in the same way that an adult having sex with a consenting child is statutory rape.

Great points, AgainwithThis.

And I should have used the word 'suspension' in my previous post.

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It is public information that Knapp worked at the Crossroads Counseling Center in Janesville at the time of his cause of suspension.

It is public information that Knapp worked at the Crossroads Counseling Center in Janesville at the time of his cause of revocation.

Knapp should have his license permanently revoked. By virtue of her original contact with Knapp, she was in a psychologically disadvantaged state. This is the sort of thing that subverts the effectiveness of therapy. It is the equivalent of an MD exploiting the physical integrity of a patient.

If Knapp works for a clinic, or whatever, it should be named.

I had Brad as a counsler and after a few weeks of seeing I requested someone else because I felt that he was hitting on me and asking way too many personal questions about my sexual issues with my husband. I knew there was something untrusting about him, and I am gald I changed my counsler. Woman- you need to trust your intuition...

Gandalf the person you are refering to on CAAP lives in Janesville. Brad has NOT live in Janesville, and has not lived in Janesville for nearly 2 decades. It is not him, and he does not have a DUI! I hope that no one with the same name as yours has done anything wrong or you might get accused of something you didn't do.

Gmaof3: fair enough.

Jayvee and mickie: good points!

Sorry momof5... when I want to state my opinion, I state it, I never "imply" anything!

Just curious was all....

Well, again I believe that he may have been wrong by his professions standards- however seems to me that she is out for some revenge. Sad. Since she is not a victim, maybe they should post her name also so that she can be judged so harshly!

"Rock County's Young And The Useless"!

Noting that he is not charged with a crime. He violated a clear bright line in the rules of his licensed profession and will suffer the consequences.
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Therapist-client relationships are a dirty little secret of the profession. They may well be "consensual" in the two-consenting-adults sense, but there is a power imbalance and in particular, any psychological weaknesses of the therapist aside, they usually represent a client during a period of vulnerability.

Who cares if he got a DUI, so did one of our politicians! And WE are paying for the state car she wrecked!! Oh, and she still has her job!!!!

jnvlhtr, Yeah, he has a DUI. It's on CCAP. Otherwise, no record.

Maybe what Knapp did was unethical but I don't think he committed a major crime. It seems as though he (they?) at least waited until the woman was no longer Knapp's patient.

I wasn't there so I don't know exactly how things went, but I imagine that things were getting pretty hot and heavy on both ends. I imagine that it just "felt right" for the both of them at the time.

Knapp DID violate the rules at his place of employment, therefore must suffer any consequences given. I'm guessing that when you get hired, you have papers you have to sign, and I'm guessing he signed something that said he could suffer consequences, including termination, if he were to engage in a personal relationship with any client any time before two years of the end date. Of course it would be worded better than how I put it ;)

I would not think lowly of this man, just that he made a stupid mistake that may have cost him his career.

FranktheTank- lol

I was unaware of Brad's history. But now that it has come to light, I dont feel so bad. Just remember that there are 2 sides to every story. Just wait untill the details start "spilling out". I have a feeling that its going to get interesting.

FranktheTank, you are one sick puppy!

Hal101, where do you get your information? Brad has never had a DUI AND he is not divorced. Check your facts before you print them!

Is it just me, or is this yet another "reporter turned in his notes" rather than a finished news article?? Was the press deadline so impending that a decent article couldn't be written, and we had to resort to "cliff notes"?

But then again, as this is the electronic age, the age of "instant gratification", perhaps I am asking for too much...

hal1011, what are you trying to imply? Is there something more then a drunk driving?(that's not the worst thing, bad, but not the worst!) I knew he worked for the juvenille system, what about it???

Did his "service" as Rock County Juvenile Probation supervisor ever come to light? How about his drunk driving conviction? Brad has a history of this type of behavior - much of which has been swept under the carpet by ALL those involved because of the embarrassment he has caused those he has worked for. It's easier for them to fire him than to answer why he was hired in the first place. Just ask his ex-wife!

prevention, it NEVER said anything about him taking advantage of her!! She slept with him 3 times during a 5 month period!

I know Brad and I have NOTHING BUT NICE things to say about him!!! I have seen him and so have a few of my friends. He was extremely compassionate, real, and empathetic. The fact that he was seeing her for months before she informed Crossroads says it all. Did her husband catch her? Yes, maybe the relationship was against the rules, BUT I agree it takes two to tango. And as a woman(and I know most can understand!) I know how nasty and vindictive we can be when we're hurt or angry! This appears to be a clear case of a woman who got pissed and is gonna "show him". I will pray for Brad and hope that someone comes through for him! I will be right in the front row fighting for you!!!!!! It's the least I could do after all the help you provided me and a few of my closest friends!!!!!!!

Misstrish: as a social worker myself, we have a strict Code of Ethics that we are to follow. in addition to the Code, we are held highly accountable for our actions. 18 months is NOT too long considering that he knew what he was consenting to as this woman's counselor/former counselor.

How would you respond if you had a therapist and acted inappropriate, breaking ALL ethics of the therapist's profession? What if your doctor or nurse knowingly took advantage of you knowing the repercussions of whether you snitched or someone else did?

What has that "hmmm" suppose to imply, gmaof3??

18 months suspension?!!? Thats a little harsh, dont you think? Its a rough economy, why take away someones ability to work for something so minor? I feel bad for the guy!

before we start pointing fingers at Mr. Knapp we should take a look at the story. he was her counselor from april 07-may 08. they had sex 3 times since she lost her coverage. she waited until oct 08 to report it? what is the reason for that i wonder? people make mistakes and im sure he realized that..did he end it and she was ticked off so to hurt him she reported it? i cant believe that u "my2centsworth" would try to spell out "the rapist". it sounds like it was a choice between two adults! where does it say a thing about rape????? i think we should worry about other things in the news like o lets say 200 people some with children have no power and need places to live!

Yes, it takes two to tango, BUT if a person is in a depressed, vulnerable state, the therapist is in a position to easily manipulate them. You are supposed to be able to trust your therapist, and they are not supposed to take advantage of you.

Where does it state Brad was fired? According to this he was suspended. We don't know all the facts of the case. Is it unfortunate, yes it is. But it takes two to tango. All the blame can't be put on Brad. And though I don't know him, nor have I seen him professionally, I do know people that have and he helped them immensely. So, hold your tongues.

Look him up on the Wisconsin Department of Regulation and Licensing website...yes it was at Crossroads, but they had the good sense to fire him immediately. People like him give therapists/counselors a bad name. Clients are vulnerable people that go for help and that's why therapists have ethics saying very clearly that no matter what, you cannot have a sexual relationship with a client for 2 years after you stop seeing them professionally.

There is no therapist by that name listed on the Crossroads website.

Hmmm... was it at Crossroads?