tjs64, hannah's post made perfect sense. Maybe you can't read.

I see hannah must be huffin' again. Unreadable ramblings that make no sense.

Let's not spin this off into a marijuana debate -- it's simply about immature, incompetent organisms procreating without the mental and physical resources to successfully raise their progeny. Nature provides the cure, however harsh it might be, to "punctuate" that genetic line when it is unsuccessful. And didn't God create the whole system, so won't everything will be alright regardless, hmmm?
Yes, it's sad, but so is a dead bunny in the road. Or similarly, the unfathomable use by this paper just prior to Easter weekend of a stupid, tasteless, pointless, humorless cartoon featuring GM, Inc as a car vs the Easter Bunny as roadkill! Trying to frighten the kids away from reading this paper? Seems you may need all the readers you can get! Will you kill Santa at Xmas? Why don't you try that with a cartoon of Muhammad and see how it's received (might want to talk to the Dutch first)?!
This state would do better taking kids away from their incompetent biological parents (and relatives) for good when those parents/relatives prove themselves incapable. Children are fragile, and after a couple of years of that treatment they're most likely damaged goods for life! At least with appropriate placement at an early age they might have some hope that nurture may somehow shape nature's curses. Our return-kids-to-their-dysfunctional-parents philosophy merely ensures a bad result in a majority of cases.

that's not really true the age thing, people who are young have children all the time and they are responsible and people who are older can have drug problems just as easy as any young person

I doubt it

im not sayin its not possible to be a young grandma and be responsible. im sayin in this particular situation because she was 'young' and so was her daughter that age PROBABLY has something to do with it

a gramma cant be 39 and not be messed up? Im 38 and I have a 20 yr old and a 18 yr old. I could be a gramma and I dont drink or do drugs. I dont even smoke. She isnt a bad gramma because of her age, she is a bad gramma because she has an addiction.

well i guess like i said you will have to deal with me as i will have to deal with you, because no matter how much you post it i will never say that i agree that pot in this situation would of been much better. in fact no drugs at all in this situation or any that ends with a tragic ending is the best thing. there is a way to live without drugs despite what you think

this makes me lol. im not the one complaining about how this happens on every blog. i WANT responses. i WANT every blog to turn into the discussion so maybe someones eyes are being opened to another perspective. cant you tell i ENJOY this conversation?? spark has learned not to engage me...as it appears has gfan regarding the pot. if yer ok discussing it then i am too...any time.

this story is a tragedy. i cant imagine going thru that. i merely like to point out the hypocrisy in how drugs that kill can be obtained legally but pot, which does not kill, is illegal to simply possess. its head shaking hypocrisy. the fact that this lady is a 39 year old grandmother i think has lots to do with it. it shows you how the cycle will continue unless someone stands up and breaks it. numbers alone tell you both grandma and the mom, whereever she is, were kids(at least mentally) when they gave birth. its so sad but the baby, the mom, and even im guessing the grandmother are just products of their environment and cant even believe there is another option on how to live life. its so sad on soooo many levels.

i did not say i didn't want it to be, i said "that is exactly what happens", would it be less annoying to not have every forum turn into a pot vs everything conversation probably, but that is not how it is. And if everyone chose to not engage in the posting then the only one that would be posting is you, if you don't want responses then you can also take your own advise and not respond to my posts, obviously that is not what happens so the two of us will just have to deal with each other right

if you dont want that to be exactly what happens latinmami why would you engage me in a convo??

thank you spark that is exactly what happens, and anyways every one of the posts by lvmyslf is calling someone stupid or idiot so they just must get off on being rude to people

lvmyslf - You're new to this. You will find that any article referring to any type of drug eventually leads to the POT issue and why it should be legal and why some think it's harmless. Go visit any post that relates to this and you will soon find it's inevitable and a constant occurrence. And yes, you should read the earlier posts to see what people are responding to.

http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S...

heres another article

Last I knew meds came in a child proof bottle and Im sure a 3 yr old cant open it. She was careless and she should be held accountable.

~~39 year old Grandma? ~~What does that mean? Is that really an issue?

where in this article does it talk about marijuana use? WOW you really need to preach that much? why don't you look at the tragedy here, a 3 year old lost her life because her grandmother was irresponsible left her drugs out and then did NOTHING when she could not wake the child. who gives a s*** about smoking pot!
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first off it did not say anything about pot smoking i was responding to kids post, so maybe you should read everything before you start barking out nonsense

latinmami where in this article does it talk about marijuana use? WOW you really need to preach that much? why don't you look at the tragedy here, a 3 year old lost her life because her grandmother was irresponsible left her drugs out and then did NOTHING when she could not wake the child. who gives a s*** about smoking pot!

i did the research i told you i was going to do because it triggers a red flag when you seem to think it would have been less of a danger for the child to have pot in their system, number one a child should never have to be around any drugs ever, but sad to say there are people out there who don't want to take their child's best interest and make that the first priority. and really you are the one who looks silly wanting to compare a child ingesting pot and pills when they should never ingest either one

someone can copy/past. muy bueno. thats all your going to say about my smoke?? GOOD. if you dont want to discuss it then dont even read my posts, LET ALONE RESPOND to them. i wouldnt have to explain how that works to my kids. i didnt ask you to START a discussion with me latinmami. i responded to yes' comment and you, like other posters here, seem to have some fascination with engaging me in a discussion and then acting like you are annoyed by the discussion. you are aware how silly this makes you look...yes??

Blah...blah...blah...

that is all that i am posting about your magical smoke and whether or not it is okay. The article is about a grandmother who carelessly had her medications out and let her grandchild ingest them and she did not take the proper precautions to save her grandchilds life. this woman will have to live with this for the rest of her life and i can not imagine what her daughter must be going through as well.

The question is whether the risk of taking the drug outweighs the risk of not breastfeeding.

While the use of marijuana can decrease milk supply, and produce sedation and growth delays when used in large doses, there have not been reports of health problems in babies that were caused solely by use of marijuana and breastfeeding. Due to inconclusive reports, the current recommendations for mothers who smoke marijuana are very similar to those regarding smoking cigarettes - continue to breastfeed and cut down on the amount smoked and do NOT expose babies to second-hand smoke.
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i have read it and though there does not seem to be some horrible long term effects there are some possible small effects, and even though the study on breastfeeding and smoking is inconclusive, common sense it do not do or listen to someone who thinks it is okay to do it while breastfeeding or around your children period, the article also said that the second hand marijuana smoke is more harmful. you can be as happy as you want kid and smoke all day i could care less that is your life.

Smokers Underestimate Marijuana's Harm.......
Young people who do not smoke marijuana end up with a better quality of life and higher levels of educational achievement than their peers who do smoke marijuana. Those who do smoke pot early in life have lower incomes and greater health problems later in life, according to a study.

Although legalization activists and many marijuana users believe smoking pot has no negative effects, scientific research indicates that marijuana use can cause many different health problems.
Marijuana is the most commonly used illicit drug in the United States. When smoked, it begins to effect users almost immediately and can last for one to three hours. When it is eaten in food, such as baked in brownies and cookies, the effects take longer to begin, but usually last longer.
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Effects of Exposure During Pregnancy
Several studies have found that children born to mothers who used marijuana during pregnancy exhibit some problems with neurological development. According to those studies, prenatal marijuana exposure can cause:

Altered responses to visual stimuli
Increased tremulousness
Problems with sustained attention and memory
Poor problem-solving skills
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Sources:
University of Washington - Neuroscience for Kids
National Clearinghouse for Alcohol and Drug Information
National Institute on Drug Abuse
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http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/eff...

A max of 25 years for allowing a child to die? I'm not a judge, jury, or executioner, but that just doesn't seem long enough. The more stories I hear like this, the more I understand why my sister is protective of my nieces! So amd I!

do the research latinmami. show me how many studies have been done regarding a 3 yr old ingesting marijuana. short term affects and long term. duh, you dont really think such studies exist do you?? im aware of research that shows children of mothers who smoke pot and breast feed are no dift in response time or any other factor than kids whose mom doesnt. id find you the link but like most blind you wont read it, and even if you did, like my posts, you will just pick it apart to suit what you think is your 'argument' against me. im not surprised i have to explain this to you latinmami. try thinking beyond the words i write. OF COURSE NO 3 YEAR OLD SHOULD EVER ingest a drug. i didnt say it wouldnt affect them, i said it wouldnt kill them. my point is that a couple of these pills, or a dozen common aspirin found in most houses will kill a 3 yr old. there is not a 3 year old alive. he** theres not a 30 year old alive who can eat enough marijuana to overdose. its. just. not. possible.

DING, DING. LET THE POT VERSUS OTHER DRUGS DEBATE BEGIN! YIPPEE!

3 year old ingests my meds instead of grandmas the child would still be alive
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a 3 yr old should not be ingesting any meds except for children's tylonel in the proper dosage.

you don't think that a small child whose brain is still forming and growing would not be affected by pot smoke? i think i will be doing some research here but as a mother i am pretty sure that though it may not kill my child it would have some type of affect on them

Very Heartbreaking. Why?

yes: ive never heard someone say 'drug abuse is a victimless crime'. actually im no lawyer but i dont think drug abuse is even a crime. drug POSSESSION IS a crime. and other than the one in cuffs there IS NO VICTIM. once the drug is abused there most certainly may be victims...as we can tell by the daily stories of alcohol/prescription pills killing someone. if that 3 year old ingests my meds instead of grandmas the child would still be alive. in fact...the ONLY drug i can think of that the child CANT overdose on is marijuana. but yeah...we should make sure thats the one that stays illegal...

There goes the argument about drug abuse being a victimless crime.

ok i read the article in madison news paper, it said that had she taken the baby to the hospital right away the baby could of been saved. she really does deserve all 25 yrs

39 year old Grandma? There is the first problem. I hope she gets life in prison.

sahmama- you are right, i have a 3 yr old and he does not sleep that long unless it is night time. it is really a sad story, could of been prevented. another little angel lost at the hands of their own family member makes me want to just cry every time i read something like this

I went to the Madison paper's article about this. Everyone should ...

superdave - we rarely agree, but I'm with you on this one.

There's a lot more to it in this story...
http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/local/44...

LJS64: I consider it intentional when you cant wake a child for that many hours and dont get help. Either it was on purpose or shes really stupid. Think what you want.

you are right superdave

Either she gave the girl drugs, or left them out and allowed access. But here's the clincher: "April Walker didn't get help for the child for nearly six hours after discovering she could not be awakened". Think about it - your grandchild is unconscious and you do nothing?!? This woman sounds, at best, like an idiot. If that sounds harsh, it was meant that way. My heart goes out to the three-year-old.

how sad is this? put her in prison

i don't know about intentional but i would say if not done on purpose very careless to let a child have access to those type of medications, poor baby, and really this grandmother should of taken this baby to the er right away not waited 6 hours if that is what really happened.

Here we go ASSuming again.

Sounds like it was intentional. How sad!!