SuperDave - I have a point. The beer sales issue passed and there's nothing you can or anyone else that's against it can do about it. That being said, all the comments (I know you don't like them called complaints) against it on here, are a waste of space because it solves nothing. Hence your last comment. Also, you just took up three paragraphs writing that. That's a lot of space. I know you won't respond to me, but that's ok.

Please refer to the Gazette recap of the council meeting, specifically the comments of Mr. Terril. He said we are worrying about a probelm that does not yet exist. If we allow this team and league to play here and it is a success then we hit a home run. If problems do arise, a council can rescind the license swiftly. Let's take a positive step.

Yahoo! Hockey without alcohol is like...hunting without alcohol! And don't worry about the "hard stuff" -- those who want it will pack their own along. That the city council can spend so much time supporting such nonsense (oh, junior hockey will certainly draw businesses and employers into the community by the score!) and the city can't even RENT a stadium to the Gladiators for more than a few games during their season just shows how distorted their priorities are. They need to focus on the real issues -- like the (in)famous (and likely forgotten) SIDEWALKS (to nowhere) "PLAN"!

thisisme: Hey, what time is our K-Mart gig? HA HA. Re: your peeing and moaning comment...OF COURSE it's alright! Everyone is entitled to their opinions. What I have a hard time with, is when people post something like the following:
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well i'm tired of people whining and complaining about (whatever) all the time..jville neads to move forward with new thinking, and.. and.. these people who are always moaning and being whiney little girls and yada yada are just getting in the way of us positive, forward thinking geniuses....
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I'm sure you get the idea! A post that complains about other peoples posts and labels them as "complaining" (gosh that term makes my rear end tired...) 1) Adds NOTHING to the discussion. 2) Does that which they are themselves objecting to (complaining). and 3) wastes time and space doing so.
If you have a point to make about the article, make the point! Don't attack other people!! Just address the ideas in the article and in other people's comments. Stop the name-calling!! It just makes YOU look bad.

Now (of course) someone will say that I am "complaining" - guaranteed. If that happens, which it always does, that will once again illustrate the point. Most any comment can be labelled as a "complaint". Labelling it as such is wasting everyone's time.

Nuff said...for cryin' out loud...geepers! :O)

The way I see it is that the people who are complaining are the ones who will never step foot into the Ice Arena or purchase a ticket to see a game. And the people who are for it are the ones that will and there are not enough of you out there to support this venture more than a couple seasons. Take for example Snappers Park in Beloit, on any given night there are half of the seats empty at game time, and the only time the place is full is 50c beer night it is a shame.

Well, I can honestly say that I was born and raised in WI, I am a very proud redneck and the only time I don't have a beer in my hand is when I am or will be driving or at work. I have never had a dui nor have I ever been in a fight because I have been drinking. Now... I have been in several fights when I haven't been drinking... :)

cjjs5- you bring up a good point about the liquor licenses. Everyone is pissing and moaning (is that ok SuperDave) :) and it says right in the article that they still have to apply for the liquor licenses. So... don't be gittin y'all's panties in a bunch till the story is said and done.

They passed the vote to sell beer there but are there any licenses avaliable? I though the city has the quota met. I could be wrong.

ljs64 I say what I mean and mean what I say. It isn't my fault you can't understand what I write. I also live by it.

ljs64-good point about the t-ball,pee wee and socer games.

ljs64 - No, I don't need to ask him Tom anything because I understand what he is saying. It's pretty simple. He's being realistic whereas you using that same comment, makes no sense. You are exaggerating the worst case scenarios and are digging as far as you can. At one point you're saying fights are going to break out because of the beer and then you're saying you never said people that drink necessarily have a drinking problem.

Selling beer at a hockey game isn't going to cause fights, cause families to die, cause kids to drink or destroy the morals of the athletes. Where the hell have you people been lately? Get over it.

spark - You will have to ask tom1cass2 what, "You people need to read what people mean not what you think it means." as that was his comment on Apr 14, 2009 at 12:34.
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I live by the motto:

"Say what you mean,
mean what you say,
or shut the h*ll up."

ljs64 - No, you just said there would be fighting in the stands because of the alcohol. Basically categorizing everyone that drinks in one bad group.

"You people need to read what people mean not what you think it means."

WHAT? Let me correct you on something. There's only one way to read words that are spelled out. Write it how you want people to take it.

Spark its not worth the time. Some people just don't want to get it or even want to try to get it.

Don't be upset with me that your posts are confusing.

tom1cass2: "you don't know anything about me I DON'T DRINK"
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tom1cass2: "I use to drink socially when I was in my early 20's..."
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And by the way, no where did I ever metion that I think just because people drink they have a drinking problem, so please take your own advice and "you read into my posting the way you wanted it to sound." "You people need to read what people mean not what you think it means."

ljs64 - I see you still haven't removed yourself from under that rock I was referring to. Judge people some more why don't you. The kids at your Saturday morning sporting events sound more mature than you.

I use to drink socially when I was in my early 20's if it is any of your business anyways!!!!!

I am really sick of people thinking just because some people drink that they have a drinking problem. I think some of you need to grow up and live in reality. NOT EVERYONE IS A DRUNK BECAUSE THE HAVE A DRINK!!!!

I guess if you do not drink, why would you feel the need to make the statement: "never had a drunk driving ticket."?

ljs64 you don't know anything about me I DON'T DRINK! It has nothing to do with anything just my own choice. It has nothing to do with determing whether or not you get a drunk driving ticket or not - you read into my posting the way you wanted it to sound. I have never had a drinking problem and neither have my parents. If thats what you got out of it read again. It is my responsiblity to teach my kids about drinking and drugs. And whats right and wrong, and if they see it talk to them about it. thats what my parents did with me and I turned out GOOD AND RESPONSIBLE! Even tho they drank. You people need to read what people mean not what you think it means. ljs64 get a life!!!!

I would like to see beer and bloody mary's served at Saturday morning t-ball, soccer and pee wee football events. Kind of takes my edge off from a Friday night of smoking and road drinking.
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tom1cass2 statement: "My parents drank infront of me and I have turned out just fine, never had a drunk driving ticket."
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I guess in WI we determine our responsible drinking by the not getting an OWI/DUI. Nice!
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"I ain't got no stinkin' drunken driving so I ain't got no drinkin problum.

No money is being given to the LLC. The money is being invested in a city facility. When I rent out an apartment, I expect to have to put some money in it to bring it up to rentable quality.
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The contracts will be let out according to state law, which means competitive bidding. Unless there is a compelling reason, the council is required to accept the lowest bid.
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It's really not a lot of money to fix up a multi-million dollar facility.

The city golf courses dont seem to have any problems with the beer, and you can carry one on the course if you want to, and a lot of kids play on these courses.

There are alot of parents out there that drink and there kids turn out just fine. Drinking infront of your kids responsibly can also teach them something, you can show them that there is a responsible way of doing things. My parents drank infront of me and I have turned out just fine, never had a drunk driving ticket. The nature of kids is if adults tell them everything is wrong and bad they are gonna do it just in defiance. So as adults and parents we have to teach them ourselves about responsibilty and the right way to do things. It is my responsibility to teach my kids about drinking and drugs and the consequences. I don't expect anyone else to do my job. I will be attending the games and explaing that getting drunk and acting obnoxious is wrong. They can see behavior like that just about anywhere but if I teach my kids correctly, hopefully, they will turn out fine.

Oh and just to clarrify...I do have a beer now and then, I just don't when I'm with my kid somewhere. I don't NEED to have a beer for anything like many of you are implying others do. My kid also understands right from wrong and I taught him those things. It's called responsible parenting and not blaming society for poor choices one might make.

I'm all for beer, but you know its gonna come with problems, it always has and always will. So if the city can make ah buck with ah beer or a DUI then why wouldn't they.

SK - I will go to a hockey game and not have a bottle in my had or even a beer. If someone wants to, that is fine with me. There is nothing wrong with having a beer. I've been to Chuck E Cheese with many kids. They have beer there. I've never had one. Actually never seen anyone having one when I was there. I've been in restaurants with kids and kids around. They serve beer there. I've seen many families not drinking. Been to many sporting events where there's kids. Seen many people not drinking there. I have seen some having a beer and harming nobody. It appears to me that you and many others are using any exaggerated excuse you can because you disagree with the whole concept of the hockey team and or the money to upgrade the arena. It passed, it's happening, we have much bigger issues to deal with than someone having a beer at a game.

Very sad day.
Why can't some people not go anywhere without a bottle of alcohol in their hand!!!
And good thing to be teaching the youth (and those that are athlete's).

MadeinUSA, "City spending money it doesnt have" take a look at most of our elementary schools, built during the depression (something I know about) Adam school built 1937 Roosevelt, Wilson. etc. It gave people JOBS.

What is wrong with selling beer at an athletic event? Nothing! Should there be restrictions such as no sales after 2nd period? Sure. Will this lead to more drinking and driving? NO! People that drink and drive will do it from home, a bar, restaurant, game, company party, etc. I am looking FORWARD to having an alternative to driving to Rockford or Madison to watch hockey at a level beyond the Bluebirds! Thank you Council for looking at the positives in this situation!

MadeinUSA - One other thing. If you're concerned about this city and the economy, do you want bidding on a project like this to go outside of the city which in return will not support any business in this town? Or would you prefer our local businesses get it? You know, the ones that we need to desperately support now more than ever? The ones we are going to rely on to keep things going in this town. You lose them, we have even BIGGER problems.

Hockeyjockey: thanks for saying "griping and moaning", that's extremely refreshing. We're all so tired of people saying "whining" and "complaining".

crunch_munch: hilarious! Milk leads to pop leads to beer leads to liquor, marijuana, cocaine and heroin. No more milk sales!!

OF COURSE this will pass, just follow the money. The government ice arena will compete with all the legitimate, private businesses. That's just the way it's done. Good luck to all the businesses that will lose sales.

How many of the people commenting here either ran for City Council or Voted? Just curious cause the way i see it we the voters put ourselves in this mess.

I likes beer bettern likker anyways, yeehaw!!!

I totally agree with madeinusa-This town is in a economic crunch-We need to be SMART with the taxpayers money!

MadeinUSA - "Wonder why your kids are in drugs? Your kids see you getting drunk and they supposedly cannot. However, it is now easier for kids to get a hold of marijuana or heroin than it is for them to buy beer. Monkey see/Monkey do. Bad examples create bad kids. Get it?

I get few things from that comment. You, like many others are stereotyping everyone that has a beer now and then as a drunk. The ignorance never seems to amaze me. You think everyone going to the hockey game is going to drink and or get drunk because beer is there. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Beer is served all over the place and that doesn't mean everyone is getting drunk or even drinking for that matter. I'd also appreciate that you spare everyone your comments like "you wonder whey your kids are on drugs, they see you getting drunk." Not everyones kids are on drugs and not every parent is a drunk. You people need a reality check and take your preaching to the church.

It will only take an incident or two of drunken fools who will ruin it for the rest..Just wait and see!

oldtimer- There are plenty of complainers, but it obviously solves nothing. The vote passed and now we can move on. Amen.

We voted and "got our way". Thats democracy.

Beer sales and a few lackluster games with spotty attendance will be the gateway to committing over $3,000,000.00 to a new Ice Arena when this one breaks during this or next season and the city's taxpayers will NEVER see the money recouped.

Oh, the 25 of "us" are not "hillbillies". Yes, Just because those of you who wanted this got your way, Congrats. However, Thats no reason to bash those of us who oppose the idea. Is this not a free country where you can speak "freely" on issues or are we a "socialist" country like others who can't speak freely? Instead of bashing us, Please try to respect our views as well. We respect yours. And if we "blog" here, Then let us. You do. We are all not "resisting" change, We only "feel" the way we do because thats our opinions like you have.

I have never seen so many negative people as there are in Janesville, complain about this complain about that. They sell beer at the golf courses and a lot of kids play there. Get a life.

Why do I always see the same 25 names on every issue the council votes on, are always negative? Is this just your nature? I like it when I see new names appear and have a positive out look for Janesville. Maybe Janesville will move forward again now and even look into getting a bike and skate park built which is way over due. Every city around has a park for the young and adults.

rosewood and js64 - Seriously, get out from under your rocks. Quit assuming that everyone is going to get wasted and drive home drunk and kill their family and get into fist fights in the stands and every other horrible, worst case scenario you can think of. Please. Can you exaggerate anymore? This isn't the first place alcohol has ever been served. It's served at city outdoor functions, restaurants and many other sporting events across the Country. The vote is in, and now have to deal with it.

So when they drive home from the games, they can't get picked up for DUI or kill some innocent other driver because Beer don't impact people on their driving. Get real council members. Learn to listen to the people.
VERY SAD DECISION!!!

Oh and by the way I am not stupid either.

I for one think this is a good thing. Not everyone was opposed to it. And I am no hillbilly for your infomation. Maybe this city will finally come into the 21st century and not the turn of the century where we had prohibition. Just my opinion.

Great! Fights on the ice........Now fights in the stands.
No worries, this hockey team thing won't last two years.

I think the council did listen - at least to a great number of people who cared enough about the issue to step away from their computers and go down to the meeting and have the courage to voice their opinions.

Yes..I did vote, Art. But there are more hillbillies in this town then people like me, this is a city of rednecks. Like the old saying goes,"Never underestimate the power of a group of stupid people".
I just wonder how many hockey fans are there in this town?

BEST NEWS OF THE DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wonder if the same people who were against this and those who complain so much on the comment boards actually bothered to cast their votes last Tuesday. Thank you, City Council, for a wise decision.

"The council never listens to what the people want."

25 of you griping and moaning on a web site doesn't necessarily mean that's what the people want.

Yep! Not good! The council never listens to what the people want, Only some joker who wants to reap the city off. Just my opinion.

Sad? Pitiful!

I guess we knew they would not listen to the people on this issue. I also suspect this is just the first step on the way to a new ice arena...... very sad