Shopierehuh THANK YOU! I was starting to fear that no one would recognize such idiocy. Unfortunatly, most are so used to "junk science" being cited no one even thinks to question it. "5000 people every hour in Wisconsin" is absurd. However, "do-gooders" site such unsubstantiated "facts" all the time. Keep on doubting such science and protect your freedoms.

Not me. I do not smoke.
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It doesn't matter. We will all be dead in less than 4.16 days. From cigs. :)

I think you all want the Snuff out Smoking Ban in Lake Geneva Blog. This is about OWI & marijuana...

Priorities straight, indeed. So if cigs "kill 5000 people every hour in Wisconsin alone, then all 5.5 million of us will be dead in 46 days. Except, of course for a few infants, the oldest one being 46 days old.

If cigs kill "50000 every minute" in the USA, then all 300 million USA residents will be dead in 4.16 days, except of course for a few infants, the oldest one being 4.16 days old.

You might want to cite your source on these "statistics", it does appear that they have been pulled from a not well lit storage area.

Let's get our priorities straight. How was he going to vote on the smoking ban? Cigarettes kill 5000 people every hour in Wisconsin alone. 50,000 every minute in the USA. 4000 a second die from second hand poisons. Last year, 50,000 people died from second hand smoking. 75,000 of those folks contracted lung cancer from public exposure. Every breath of second hand smoke you inhale takes 3.75 years off your life, you smoke a pack everytime you pass a smoker who is outside. STOP THE INSANITY and pass a ban now!

Well, we know that's one vote to legalize marijuana in Wisconsin.

The importance of your content overpowers the imperfections of your form.

hannah, I think shopier.... was talking about our pal, thekid.

There is some evidence that marujuana use causes people to write nearly incomprehensible gibberish. This includes run on sentences, lack of punctuation, and other things that would cause one to even bother to read what the person writes.

What the hey...the taxman was just knocking at my door.
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Anyone know what that was all about?

LMAO OMG!! I CAN NOT STOP!!!

not many people NEED weed, but everyone could use it:) i havent even looked at that blog. id prefer to discuss the ignorance and hypocrisy. religion just makes no sense to me and it seems people tend to stereotype and not have an open mind about other peoples' ideas...oh wait...:)

thekid, you stress me out so much that sometimes I think about rolling me one o' them j'sters. But like George, I got enough trouble with the booooze.

But if I do, I'm not wearing tie-die or headbands, though.

If anyone needs the weed, it's those bible thumpers and book burners over at the Vosen blog.

you stoner. i said the rule i break is to keep yo mouth shut. i talk when the stoner rule is dont talk about it...just do it. roll a J an try to keep up...

im outnumbered?? geez gfan yer a lot smarter than everyone says you are;) no duh im outnumbered. why do you think i do what i do?? to work on those numbers. im still surprised you dont understand why peeps dont tell you they smoke pot. its illegal. what does your dr risk if he tells you?? or a judge admits it?? or what if the two cute:) teachers i met the other day who were totally on the team...admitted it to you?? an im not sayin YOU gfan, im sayin you as in joe anti-potter schmoe, who IN MY OPINION knows nothing about what marijuana truly is AND CAN BE. you serioulsy wonder why peeps dont open up about it?? walk with me for a week. i scream hippie pothead an have no problem bringin it up and people have no problem confiding in me that they smoke. look at the bloggers on here, same as me, behind a screen name. what would you guess, 50% agree w you an 50% agree w me?? weve gone rounds for months now...and id guess thats a safe estimate. even if its 70/30 anti, which its not, do you think those samples are far off from real life?? not even everyone on my side smokes, lots of people who dont smoke for various reasons, they just KNOW how silly it is to have the 'eviler of two evils' COMPLETELY LEGAL AT 21, while our NUMBER ONE CASH CROP goes untaxed, and at last count...has yet to directly kill anyone...

thekid, here's another take on it. The way you feel about pot and alcohol leaves you outnumbered by the number of people who feel the exact opposite. For decades this consensus, one way or another, has made itself known. That's why recreational pot smoking has remained illegal.

And what's this business about shutting my mouth?!

thekid, the last part of your most recent post indicates that you didn't really read my post. If the stereotype weren't true, these people wouldn't care about the criticism (but they are 'noided-out) and furthermore, the criticism wouldn't be there because people know enough about pot because they've had a long enough time to learn about it. The pot experience has had plenty of time to make itself known.

Now the first part of your last post: We are spinning our wheels. Fewer people smoke weed than drink alcohol now. That goes against you in one way. What else works against you is that legalizing weed would cause more weed-related driving problems because more people would be smoking it more often.

justsay...., so what's your real point, if they were high on weed too?

lets say for arguments sake that roughly 20% of the population smokes pot. using that same number in the list justsayno listed, that would mean about 4 people would have ALSO been 'whacked' on weed. so if you take those 4 out cuz the alcohol cancels out the pot. or even if you BLAME the pot only, what are you left with?? 14 people caught drunk driving(not even counting if any of these are multiple arrests) vs 4 for pot(again, if you rule out the fact that they were also tanked on the 'eviler of two evils')
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and again those people who i talk about smoking dont tell you they smoke cuz ignorant people WILL judge them. plus if i drop a name scott will delete, at least he did when i merely referenced which a.d.a i smoked with. youve said before im the exception to the rule when it comes to pot consumption. what i want people to realize is i AM the exception to the rule...but only if the rule were talkin about is to keep yo mouth shut about pot smoke. the bad parents you read about, or the lazy people you refer to, are actually the exception to the rule when it comes to adult marijuana consumption.

justsay...., even thekid will tell you that the stoners on that list whacked on weed will get a pass on that score because of detectability problems.

thekid, the stigma that disallows you from mentioning all these "reputable" people who smoke pot can only persist after all this time as a result of the stereotype being substantially true.

During alcohol Prohibition, there was no so such stigma and Prohibition only lasted about a decade. Drinking, and drinking establishments existed almost as though alcohol was legal. This is one of the powerful facts that compelled the re-legalization of alcohol.

But by your admission all these pot heads (many of them seeming to be in Who's Who, by your description) can't poke their buzzed heads above anonymity. This self-imposed alienation from the real world is consistent with the stereotype. That's the real reason pot has been illegal or prohibited for six or seven decades now; and why it'll stay that way.

hes obviously not president cuz of that. but it obviously did not derail his desire to become a productive member of society either. that like all things...falls on the individual themselves...

God help us if he's President because of that.

what do you mean 'if' im correct?? its not a debate. im not makin this up. id give you names an job titles but scott would just delete:) an its in no way my business to tell who smokes pot. you are more than correct in yo belief that a smoking ban will pass. i have no doubt im right in my belief that pot will be de-criminalized or legalized in the not so distant future. science will win. rod g smoked pot?? good for him. i bet it wasnt that so much as his greed that got him in the trouble hes in now...but im not positive. president obama also smoked weed...maybe hes prez BECAUSE of it??

thekid, if you're correct, many people might say that that explains why the whole country has gone nuts.

Blago in Illinois is accomplished, (he's the governor) and it's been reported that he smokes weed.

to add to your non stereotype kraut every pot smoker i know, and i know alot, holds down a job and takes care of their family. ive smoke with business owners. ive smoked with professors. ive smoked with nurses who know drs whos smoke. i smoked with an asst distritct attorney of a county in the area;) i know teachers who smoke. as the story says lawmakers obviously arent immune to the 'demon weed'. yet when i think about my friends who have trouble living a respectful healthy motivated life...they have one thing in common...they like to drink to the point of intoxication on a regular basis. thats ok cuz thats the life they chose. but its not ok that they can legally chose that life and i cant legally chose mine.

justsay..... click below to see my post about thediplomat's complaint re: my posting.

http://gazettextra.com/news/2008/dec/06/...

By the way, thekid, watch out for the post-police, namely thediplomat, he doesn't like excessive posting. So if you got time on hands or it happens to be very convenient for you to post a lot, you might want to think about doing something else with your time. We don't want to upset thediplomat, do we?

thekid, there's not as many as you'd like us to believe but there's definitely more than there should be.

With legalization the problem would become aggravated. As for alcohol usage: there'd more people mixing weed and juice. Not good, not good.

justsay...., wow, what a rotten thing to say!!!

spark i apologize. it was whybesad who said its 'never been legal'. as for my 'high horse' history lesson. whatever...when someone says something SILLY like its 'never been legal' ill spend a few minutes educating...i gots the time.
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gfan in one blog you question the total number of pot smokers. uncle sams numbers say up to 15 million smoke pot every year. you question that even tho i give you the link. so you dont believe in the number of pot smokers...yet they are gonna drain society?? will more people smoke?? yes. will less people drink?? i have NO DOUBT.
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i dont know what got removed. the racist point is still up...it was about the problem with testing for highness NOW. i dont know what i would have said to warrant removal. it may have been when i said i dont give a rats...

As a mother of a child who got into drugs AND alcohol in Jr. High, I find this very close to my heart. It started with pot and led to other more dangerous drugs. So you better believe I think pot is a gateway drug!! my child is now a 17 year old still struggling with the addictions! I have 3 brothers who got into it (pot) too and all but one is still dealing with drug addiction and alcoholism!! They do not lead productive lives and live off the state, waiting for the next dollar to get the next high! Drugs are destructive( and so is alcohol) and have ruined many lives in my family!!I don't find the comments about making it legal very funny and you need to get alife. Go to a meeting or something, it sounds like you have the same addiction problems as my family! You'd like it legal so your lifestyle could be just like my 2 brothers, grow up!!!

Kid- when did I ever say it's always been illegal? I was talking about the legalization of it now. Get off your high horse with all your history lessons you're trying to push on everyone. And once again, I laugh at the medical excuse all you use so you can justifying getting stoned. Sorry kid, I've always been pretty decent to you, but you asking If I'm real just upset me a little.

thekid, I didn't request the deletion.

thekid, I just noticed that one of your posts here was deleted by staff. Is it the one that echoed your earlier stereotype of blacks and Mexicans? Just asking.

thekid, in response, I can only repeat what I posted below:

Legalizing pot would cause pot heads to smoke more pot. And legalizing pot would increase the number of pot heads. All this would be a tremendous brain drain and performance drain on our society. The Jamaicans would pass us up in productivity.

How would this be helpful to our economy?!!!

gfan addressing the principal given then. can you set your personal beliefs about pot on the shelf for a second. monetary wise only. can you acknowledge that when we as a country are flat ass broke, it may make sense to, instead of continually spend money fighting it and GETTING NOWHERE, actually use it as a revenue source?? i mean you cant argue that it is currently a revenue source for the gangs. why would we not want that revenue in uncle sams pocket??

its ignorance to the facts of marijuana that keep it illegal. spark says its always been illegal. are you fo real?? george washington grew hemp. at one time the hemp plant was money. the first laws in this country regarding the hemp plant were laws REQUIRING you to grow it. in the 1800's it was one of the most commonly PRESCRIBED medicines. it didnt become illegal until 1937 when the racist harry anslinger used it as a political tool. always been illegal. sheeesh. did you miss the story about the mummy they unearthed who had marijuana on him??
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kraut- I have an open mind about a lot of things and I also welcome change in many places. Just not on this subject. So be careful who you stereotype as close minded just because they don't agree with legalizing pot. There's a lot more important things out there to worry about that maybe you should be more concerned about yourself.

Who you calling a mudbass?!!!

I was addressing the principal given: legalize it so we can tax it, godfather's idea.

whybesad, pot used to be legal. Alcohol took about a decade to get legal again, pot has had 60 or 70 years with no real success re: legalization to just being able to smoke it for fun.

Alcohol was legal before prohibition. Then the government decided to make it illegal. Pot has never been legal. If they legalize pot there isn't going to be a mad rush of people going out and getting high. Those people already exist. There are an awful lot of people that smoke pot. Some may even be treating you at the hospital and teaching your children.

did you just use contract killings as a reference on why pot should remain illegal?? yer a mudbass. when i smoke pot legally ill be the only one affected. if you contract kill someone legally thats not the case. again...MARIJUANA IS THE NUMBER ONE CASH CROP IN THE UNITED STATE ALREADY...only the gangs are profiting instead of uncle sam...the SAME thing that happened during alcohol prohibition.

godfather, if revenue from any source is justification for legalizing something that's now illegal, why don't we just legalize contract killings and tax it?

Again, smoking anything of any kind in public places is on the way out!

And yes, when booze became legal again, people drank more of it and more people drank it. What's odd about that conclusion?

thekid, do I have to explain the difference between camel turds (cigars) and reefer-sticks?!!! That's all we need, more of you bloody-eyed hippies swerving down the road in your vintage Yugos and and tricked-out Vegas.

good posts godfather. i can hear the voice;) those are silly assumptions gfan. and also, i dont remember and im not gonna look it up, but i thought i remember reading that you agreed with someone(on the smoking blog) that cigar bars would still be ok to smoke in?? i truly dont remember. thats where legal pot will be smoked in public, cuz a hemp bar will be designed specifically for that, and the smoking aspect would be the ONLY reason to enter...same as a cigar bar...WHEN we get legal pot i mean:)

Gazettefan: What are you talking about? How would legalizing pot make people who smoke pot smoke more? Drinking is legal, does that mean people who drink, drink more? It would mean revenue from people who use marijuana. Sell it at stores then where you buy cigarettes, or have the government establish legal places to purchase marijuana.

The coming statewide smoking ban will leave no room for pot smoking in public places.

Legalizing pot would cause pot heads to smoke more pot. And legalizing pot would increase the number of pot heads. All this would be a tremendous brain drain and performance drain on our society. The Jamaicans would pass us up in productivity.

With the state budget facing the greatest deficit yet, let's wisen up and make a couple of needed changes. First, invest in a toll system. We pay to drive on Illinois roads, why not charge them for coming to Wisconsin. There are numerous people from Illinois coming to their vacation homes (Lake Geneva, northwoods, etc.). Time to make them pay for the services we provide.

Also, time to legalize marijuana in some way and tax it. Taxing marijuana and making it legal would generate a ton of revenue. Especially in a bar/social setting such as our local taverns.

Marijuana is a gateway drug, but alcohol use leads to drug use. Some people are responsible, some arent't and nothing will change that. Let's get some income from this and take it from the dealers and gangs.

The point is we can catch and TEST the drunks not the pot heads. Are both dangerous? Yes, but only one can be caught and thus supposedly controlled. I'm not arguing we are doing a good job with DUI, but that does not mean we should legalize pot. Of course that is those of who live in reality.

its possible and even probable he didnt get 'arrested for smoking pot' cuz its not illegal to smoke pot. if they could PROVE he was high while driving they could ticket him with a DUI, which is pretty much the same as the operating while intoxicated he recieved. but there is no ticket im aware of for just being high. its the possession/cultivation/distribution one gets arrested for. alcohol is legal and we cant keep those peeps off the road...how is that a valid reason for keeping marijuana illegal??

kid - is it possible even probable he didn't get arrested for smoking pot because the Supreme Court said you need a court order to take hair, urine or blood samples. So you can't test for someone driving high.

It has been many years and I've been high and I know I can't drive high. 95% of the people I've seen high shouldn't drive. So, how do we keep people from driving high? Until that happens there is no way we should legalize pot.
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By the way the hemp the smoked even 50 years a go had no where near the THC levels of todays pot, not to mention 100 years or "2-3 millinea" ago. It has been genetically crossed to be stronger just like 98% of all plants we raise, sweet corn has more sugar, tomatoes last longer etc.

made myself clearer?? its the SAME thing i wrote the first time. you just wanted me to be judging so you read it in a dift way. cops may be trained to tell if someone is high, not necessarily high on pot, but im sure they can tell. to the untrained eye?? not so easy. especially if you get someone who smokes on a regular basis. we function as normal with a buzz as we do w/out. you, like most, would NEVER be able to tell if we're walkin around target with a buzz, woodmans with a buzz(unless were spending excess amounts of time in the chip aisle:), working with a buzz, or even driving with a buzz. IM NOT SAYING I DO ANY OF THESE...but i know peeps who do all. anything you read about the driving aspect will tell you stoner drivers dont swerve or fail to maintain control as the drivers under the influence of the 'eviler of two evils', they actually SLOW DOWN AND PAY MORE ATTENTION. next time you roll past someone going the speed limit or slightly above, dont assume theyre just old...they could be part of that 'stoner nation' ;)

OK, thekid, you've made yourself a little clearer.

By the way, the pronunciation is not "n'awlins" It's more like Nor'lens.

Appreciate the concession. But it's easy to tell someone is whacked on weed but there's nothing like a breathalyzer for evidentiary detection.

The stats on bad driving under juice and weed are still stacked in favor of weed because of the detection problem AND fewer people smoke.

nononononono gfan...thats not what i said. i said thats the reason that marijuana was prohibited in the first place cuz of the mexicans bringing it in from mexico and the blacks smoking it...especially in n'awlins. thats not my theory gfan...thats history. someone else posted the same thing.
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i will agree that pot prolly does get a 'free pass' sometimes. not cuz of lack of detection. lack of IMMEDIATE detection. its impossible to say if someone is high NOW. im well aware the combo of the two drugs is not a good idea. but the fact is stoner nation drives MILLIONS of miles every year...stoned...without the carnage that alcohol creates...so its safe to say that in the situations where pot gets a 'free pass'...the accident may not have happened if the driver was 'whacked on the demon-weed' only...and not the 'eviler of two evils'...

thekid, didn't you over-characterize blacks and Mexicans as pot smokers?

What about pot getting a free pass because of detection problems?

good posts gabby. you are correct...alcohol is worse...hence the term...and COMMON belief...the 'eviler of two evils':)

pot gets a free pass cuz we know which of the two drugs is the TRUE 'demon'. i put these links on the other thread and like i said there...i dont expect you anti-potters to actually read this and, gasp...learn something, let alone believe it but....
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/199...
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and i dont expect you to watch this video or even TRY to comprehend what the gentleman says at the end of the video.
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gfan im glad you made it to the convo...you forgot to answer my question as to whom i stereotype?? please if you are going to accuse me of something explain your reasoning. like when i call you ignorant. i at least take the time to say you are not ignorant in all aspects...just when it comes to what marijuana really is and you def seem ignorant to the possibility of learning new info regarding the topic. so please...who do i stereotype??

As far as pot being a 'gateway' drug....get real! Nothing is a 'gateway' drug. The user CHOOSES to find something more. Not all pot smokers do harder drugs. Not all people who do harder drugs smoke pot. A very close friend of mine who is addicted to meth has never once smoked pot. He went straight to the cocaine and the meth. I get sick of people bashing pot all the time. Just because it's illegal does not mean it is the worlds worst drug. When my daughter is a teenager and she came to me and said she tried a drug. I would hope to God it was pot and not something else. There is a lot worse out there than pot! (Alcohol being one.)

I'm just wondering if pot and alcohol were reversed if people would still feel the same way. What if alcohol was made illegal instead of pot years and years ago? What if all our bars were smoke bars, where you could get a joint rolled for you and sit and smoke, play pool, listen to the jukebox? Would you still feel the same? Would people be trying to leagalize alcohol? I wouldn't be. Just like now, I would rather smoke than have a drink, but since it is illegal I cannot!

They caught this goof with weed in his possesion. But many times when people are whacked on pot and juice, pot gets a free pass because of detection problems. Then thekid gets on his HIGH horse condemning the nectar of the gods while exalting the demon-weed.

i feel ya kraut. its not a waste of breath for me...its just practice:) and what if that pig is wearing lipstick??;)

Nice guy.....

We are never going to have world peace and there will always be two sides to the story. The government and people around it are more corrupt than ever and there is no light at the end of the tunnel. I hate to be Debbie Downer, but as long as there are republicans, democrats, and liberals… there will be no common ground. Most humans have an opinion and are not afraid to voice it. A lot of humans also have the mentality that if you don’t follow their way of thinking… then you are worthless. Unfortunately, the world is part of many LARGE cults…. It’s a republican thing, a democratic thing, a liberal thing, a nazi thing, an army thing, a Christian thing, a stoner thing, a government thing, etc…. It never really seems to be an American thing… because no two people will completely agree on everything… I feel this is why the world is becoming more and more arbitrary every day. It would take a complete global meltdown and reboot to save us from where we are heading…

Also, I realize I am a “glass half empty” type of person.. I know this, and have accepted it. However, I am also one that is not afraid of the truth, if you are… I am sorry. Not everyone hears “if you were happy, and everyone worked together this world would be a better place” and actually MAKES the world a better place… hence my argument above. Some people just don't/won't.

as do most people with me:)

And I can say this, I know WAY more people that drink that have never smoked pot or done any other type of drug compared to the ones I know that started smoking pot and now do drugs that are 10 times worse. Will just have to agree to disagree which is fine.

when you say you never will...all you are doing is shutting down your mind to other options. WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW IS NOT WORKING. think about it, if we have to debate whether something is medical...could it be that bad for a responsible adult to consume?? what do we debate on alcohol?? deaths and drunk drivings. ive said it a million times and ill say it a million more. if pot is a 'gateway' then alcohol HAS to also be counted as a gateway drug. you cant just pick an chose where to lay the blame.

Again, don't get me wrong. What you do on your own time, is your own business. I'm not saying you're a bad person or anything like that.

A lot of moralism here. All I can say is we're paying through the roof for our morality, as police and incarceration budgets have ballooned in the last 20 years so that they now exceed the budget for the entire UW System. Punishment may give us pleasure, but it also costs a lot. Why can't we find alternative ways to treat offenders?

Ya I read your post. I'm sorry, I just don't agree and never will. I believe your theories about legalizing would only cause more problems in society with drug abuse and habits. Just like the medical excuse that's used that we spoke of before and just like pot being a gateway drug (which it is) for other drugs.

good post sarahb. exactly why drug abuse should be a public health problem NOT a criminal one.

did you even read my post??

Kid - Ya, he got busted for two things that are illegal. Pretty simple.

Gamma: I am not sure why you include the word "addicted" in your list. Addiction is a chronic illness. Would you replace it with "diabetic" or "epileptic" or any other identifier for someone with a medical condition. (By the way, I do not condone using these identifiers either because it is better to say that one "has an addiction" or "has diabetes," etc.) My point is that addiction involves a change in the brain's chemistry. No one abuses any substance, whether legal or not, with the goal of becoming addicted to the substance. Now, back to the article. Do I think this lawmaker has an addiction? I have no idea and could care less. I do think he has poor judgment, however, and has likely committed a crime of driving while under the influence of at least one drug (alcohol) and, possibly, two drugs (alcohol and marijuana). I don't think anyone with either substance on board has any business being behind the wheel of a car.

It turns out that Rep. Sheridan said in a statement today that Wood has "taken full responsibility for his actions and declined the chairmanship" of the Ways and Means Committee. Sheridan also said with "serious charges pending, I believe that to be the right course of action.”

The requirements for the job of politician include any or all of the following: addicted, greedy, immoral, dishonest, corrupt, unfaithful, and being able to lie, or at least stretch the truth to cover one's own butt.

schmuck?? i obviously do not condone drunk driving. but this guy is not a bad person cuz he got one dd. lots of peeps get one and even more could have gotten one. he did get in trouble however for USING alcohol. he got a ticket for POSSESSING marijuana. that ticket should have never happened...same as he wouldnt have been ticketed if he was only in possession of alcohol.

Kid - Any story regarding this, you're going to use the eviler of two evils argument. All's I can say is, when you get busted for this type of thing, whether it be pot, alcohol, or whatever, it makes you look like a real schmuck no matter who you are.

Speaker-elect Sheridan should yank the Ways and Means chairmanship away from Rep. Wood.

What kind of small business did he run? Maybe selling the pot? Just another politician saying they are sorry. Sorry for what? Being Caught is what!!

married father of two, small business owner, wisconsin lawmaker. geeze thats gonna throw off some 'stoner' stereotypes. the best part of this story is that it focuses on the alcohol part of it. even when he apologizes he says he 'drank too much and exercised very poor judgment' why?? cuz we all KNOW how harmless pot is in comparison to the 'eviler of two evils'....

Sounds like the ole double standards,do as i say,not as i do. Hypocrites,aren't they! ALot of law makers are just phonies,i think they drink ALOT!