On Janesville teachers say 'yes' to the contract

Posted on September 17 at 8:19 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

You know what jq you are correct. I am done posting on this thread because I feel I have made my point.

On Janesville teachers say 'yes' to the contract

Posted on September 17 at 8:11 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

Point number 1: Some teachers are better than others. Teachers and unions always claim evaluations are not possible therefore we can never have pay based on merit. Can you clear this inconsistency up based on your comments?
Point number 2:"If you keep the compensation attractive you will keep the high number of applicants and keep the chance of getting an application from a 90th percentile teacher." You again are measuring teachers which your union and every teacher on this board has refuted since the beginning of time. How are you or maybe your interviewing skills so special? I'm sure some teachers would take issue with how you propose to evaluate them. Clear this up?
Point number 3: Good candidates will go elsewhere. Maybe...but the good candidates still left will be there for the right reasons.
Point number 4: My pissing match. Yeah I piss with the best. Merely pointing out how you claim to value education so much but fail to pony up more cash than you are required to back your convictions. Who's the tightwad? Your just more willing to spend other people's money. When it's your own? You are just as tight as me pal.
Point number 5: Why do we pay surgeons more? Seriously I have to cover this again...(this must be where your sign comes into play)? There are fewer surgeons in the world therefore in the free market place they are able to command higher salaries. If there were as many surgeons as there are teachers, surgeons would be much cheaper to hire. You seem to believe our teacher pool is so thin with as you say "good" candidates but the data do not agree with you, nor are you able to substantiate it which makes your point without merit.

On Janesville teachers say 'yes' to the contract

Posted on September 17 at 6:29 p.m. ( Suggest removal )

King,
Answer my questions. How are you able to tell some teachers are better than others? How does having a larger pool ensure this since they are all state certified and licensed? Good candidates are everywhere. WAKE UP, that is what I am saying.
THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN PAY AND QUALITY. You have no data because there is none to support your point. I may be a tightwad but well like the saying goes "here's your sign." You have the one thing that can't be fixed.
Sent that check to the school district yet? Who's the tightwad if you support education? I'll bet I double or triple your taxes easily? I contribute way more than you probably ever have in your entire teaching career.

On Janesville teachers say 'yes' to the contract

Posted on September 17 at 11:58 a.m. ( Suggest removal )

Continue on in your delusions. I could go point by point with you all day but you still do not answer questions or actually read what I write. You have not provided the data to back your points and have not delivered that check to the district office.

On Janesville teachers say 'yes' to the contract

Posted on September 17 at 9:09 a.m. ( Suggest removal )

Question #1 Yes, they are not doing surgery or flying the space shuttle.

Question #2 Yes, congratulations! It happens everyday! It's called the free market place. You made my point for me. If teachers don't like the pay they receive, they don't have to do it. I have been trying to get you to see this for what...going on 2 days? It happens all the time in every profession. SO the ones that really want to teach "for the kids" will be there for the right reasons.

Question? #3 Yeah...whatever, I lack common sense. OK. Still have not presented the data to back your ridiculous point. Signed that check yet?

Didn't think so. Typical.

On Janesville teachers say 'yes' to the contract

Posted on September 17 at 8:15 a.m. ( Suggest removal )

Sarah,It will never happen. The union would fight to the death to prevent it.

On Janesville teachers say 'yes' to the contract

Posted on September 17 at 8:13 a.m. ( Suggest removal )

Hey King Rizzo,
Dr. Schulte will probably be in her office within an hour. I eagerly await your report about how she gladly accepted your check for 2 or 3 grand.

On Janesville teachers say 'yes' to the contract

Posted on September 17 at 1:38 a.m. ( Suggest removal )

Stop going back to the usual union talking points and avoiding the questions.

On Janesville teachers say 'yes' to the contract

Posted on September 17 at 1:36 a.m. ( Suggest removal )

First you reiterate a poor argument about graduates, argue we need to keep pay where it is to attract the teachers when the marketplace clearly does not agree with you. They knew the pay scale meaning they were not going to get rich and sometimes they would have to have frozen wages. Maybe for multiple years at a time. But for the sake of argument lets say I'm wrong (which I'm not). Lets assume you are right. Teachers got into teaching because of the security, healthcare, and such (gosh I still thought it was for the kids.) We have so many people going into teaching that is a sign we need to scale back compensation to more closely reflect the market. Why if you are a business owner is this so hard to get?

The data you fail to provide does not exist because your whole line of reasoning would not pan out in the data. More compensation=better candidates=better instruction. It's false and an anecdotal reference to another poster shows you know your point is without merit.

"This reinforces my point exactly. So far, we have paid teachers fairly well, given them good benefits, and provided reason for them to believe that that level of compensation would continue. As a result young people have flocked to the field. Schools get to pick the best ones and the worst are left to find a different field." OK this really makes no sense. So you'd equate teaching with say flying the space shuttle or doing surgery? Sorry, I think teachers have a tough job but do not require the skills or talent of a shuttle flight engineer or surgeon. So there is no need to jack the compensation to the sky.
Again you have failed to explain why we need to attract the best of the best of the best if they are all state certified and licensed. You did not explain how you are able to know when one teacher is better than another because I really want to get you in there to get that pay based on merit system going.
My anti-union blather? Does your business pay any taxes? Oh, don't get me started. I love union bashing. I do it with the best of them! It's on of my hobbies and I'm good at it because they are sooo easy to take apart point by point.

On Janesville teachers say 'yes' to the contract

Posted on September 17 at 12:09 a.m. ( Suggest removal )

By the way...you don't want to test my statement because you know you'd lose, plain and simple. There's NO data to support paying teachers more improves instruction. I think we can lay that one to rest. Oh almost forgot...it doe not look as though many recent graduates are being dissuaded from becoming teachers. UWW's teaching program is always filled to the brim so there does not appear to be a shortage. Another of your points does not square with reality.