On Hunters stumble upon massive marijuana crop
Posted on October 17 at 1:47 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I never said thekid was "losing." I was addressing the circular nature of this debate, and the fact that you keep saying "if it was legalized, there wouldn't be drug dealers" and I keep saying there also wouldn't be drug dealers if people would stop doing the illegal drugs in the first place. I'm not suggesting that we will ever get everyone to stop doing drugs (that truly would be delusional), I'm trying to get you to see that YOUR actions and the actions of all other pot-smokers play a part in the bigger picture.
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Americans’ mentality in general that their personal satisfaction and pleasures are more valuable and therefore justified (even though they negatively affect others) is the biggest reason our country is in the state it currently is.
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If we weren't so selfish and always out for No. 1 "Joe Sixpack" wouldn’t sign for a loan that was way beyond his means, Wal-Mart execs wouldn’t demand lower prices that force companies to ship jobs overseas, business owners wouldn’t outsource tech jobs to India so they can line their pockets with profits, and Wall Street execs wouldn’t have traded away our economic stability so they could enjoy the high life.
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Sure, you're "just one person," but your actions play a part in the bigger picture, just like they can play a part in changing laws (the civil rights movement, for example, involved average Americans). So put down your bowl/joint, join forces with others like you (because, as posters have said, there are many) and start working to change the laws.
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So, I think I'm done here. I need to get off the circular-debate merry-go-round.
On Hunters stumble upon massive marijuana crop
Posted on October 17 at 10:55 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Ever get the feeling you're beating a dead horse? That's why thekid dropped out of this discussion. It's a no-win proposition. I agree, pot is not any better/worse than alcohol, but again, Americans on a whole are not responsible enough to handle either. I wish our society could somehow educate our youth and those who follow that alcohol can be enjoyed in moderation and is not needed in large quantities. I'm not sure how to get that message through to them. The party lifestyle is ingrained in our culture.
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But I do think it starts with us. We need to provide good examples to our children. And that starts with obeying the laws so that our children understand that ALL laws pertain to them (not just the ones that they like). If you don't like the drug laws, change them. But don't break them just because they're inconvenient to your lifestyle.
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Finally, as long as you continue to pay drug dealers for an illegal substance, you are part of the drug trade. And by doing so, you are also fueling drug crimes. Most dealers and suppliers don't just stop with marijuana. They deal everything. And where do those drugs come from? Gangs, drug cartels, etc. You, whether you want to admit it or not, are part of the problem. Change the laws so you're not, but don't keep justifying your actions while you're breaking the law.
On Hunters stumble upon massive marijuana crop
Posted on October 17 at 9:18 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Sweet, sorry it took me so long to get back to you, but if you read my previous post, you couldn't use the alcohol argument to call me a hypocrite. I said this:
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"You might show statistics of how legalizing marijuana is successful in other countries, but as the chronic abuse of alcohol in this country has shown, we as a culture are not responsible enough to use pot with restraint. While I know many people who are pot smokers and successful, productive members of society, I know of just as many who have gone the other way. It would be better if everyone refrained from BOTH alcohol and drugs to give them the high they could discover in other ways that don't involve ingesting mind-altering substances."
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You see, I don't have to tell my child to do as I say, not as I do about alcohol, because he wouldn't find me drinking. I don't need mind-altering substances to enjoy life.
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And you're right, the demand for drugs will never stop because drug users can't/won't give them up. The epitome of selfishness ... if it makes me happy, then I'll just ignore the laws and put on blinders about my part in the drug crimes being committed with my help.
On Hunters stumble upon massive marijuana crop
Posted on October 16 at 3:59 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
And I've given another solution...eliminate the demand and the growers go away! I wish thekid would think about that, too. He and his ilk are behind this problem.
On Hunters stumble upon massive marijuana crop
Posted on October 16 at 3:35 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
"Good parenting and hard work keep young kids off drugs! And you can do that and be an avid smoker!"
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Doesn't that make you a hypocrite, then? Do what I say, not as I do? Or, even better, I know it's against the law, but it makes me feel good? What message does that send your kids? Is it OK to break the law when it makes you feel good?
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And if there's no shame in smoking pot, why not let your kids know you're doing it? Why so secretive?
On Hunters stumble upon massive marijuana crop
Posted on October 16 at 11:13 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
You're right, we could take the profit away from drug dealers by legalizing it, but you and the rest of the illegal users could also do just the same by refusing to do/buy the drugs. Problem solved, and it doesn't require changing any laws...
On Hunters stumble upon massive marijuana crop
Posted on October 16 at 10:45 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
thekid: As a former pot smoker, I can attest that a lot of what you and other pro-pot people are saying here is baloney. It IS a gateway drug, it leaves many, many people incapable of functioning (let alone driving), it reduces short-term memory, it is as addictive to some as alcohol.
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You might show statistics of how legalizing marijuana is successful in other countries, but as the chronic abuse of alcohol in this country has shown, we as a culture are not responsible enough to use pot with restraint. While I know many people who are pot smokers and successful, productive members of society, I know of just as many who have gone the other way. It would be better if everyone refrained from BOTH alcohol and drugs to give them the high they could discover in other ways that don't involve ingesting mind-altering substances.
On On abortion, Obama running fast from record
Posted on October 13 at 11:01 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Oooh, Clouds/Obama2008, after looking back at previous posts and how you use capitalization and question marks, it's pretty obvious you're one and the same. I will refrain from making any snarky comments, although after all the insults you've thrown, it's pretty tempting.
On On abortion, Obama running fast from record
Posted on October 10 at 11:12 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Petcat: One would think it's not the mothers who would be penalized, but the abortion doctors.
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And not all pro-life advocates are in favor of the death penalty.
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On Trace amounts of snow falls in Janesville area
Posted on November 18 at 3:40 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
If you mean Tuesday (today), it's the 18th. Or did you mean Monday? I don't live in Rock County, so I don't know when you got snow.