On Signs of the times: Rock County tackles concealed carry complications
Posted on November 14 at 9:26 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Lets compare someone supposedly safe, say a doctor, to law abiding concealed carry licensee's and we wont use one single NRA data source.
ATF Max 8 million CPL's US, approximately 186 million age 21 or older or 4.3% of the people licensed for CPL.
Possible deaths from CPL holders in 3 year time span from Violence Policy Center report last year, 137 or 45 per year equals .00000562 per concealed license holder. You can also review Florida's data on CCW at http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/stats/c... it says the same thing.
JAMA http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/ful... 700,000 doctors in US kill 44,000 to 98,000 by medical malpractice every year or .14 per physician.
Physician is .065 or .14 /.00000562 = 12,000 to 25,000 times more likely to harm you than a CPL holder.
So where is the risk from concealed carry holders and why aren't you antis crying to ban doctors?
After all, there have been what 48 previous states to pull data from? Thought the VPC and other anti gun zealots would be able to EXAGERATE just a little more eh? You antis are really slipping, cant even tell a credible lie anymore!
On Signs of the times: Rock County tackles concealed carry complications
Posted on November 14 at 9:22 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Wow, more than one person, scared of the proverbial boogeyman. You know, the mythical monster under the bed, the invisible one that children believe in. Yet here we have supposed adults, afraid of what they cant see, cant articulate, and cant prove.
That the law abiding gun owner carrying concealed is such a danger.
On Would concealed carry have helped or hurt at State Fair?
Posted on August 12 at 5:54 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Funny, the people that tried to break into my parents house never came back EVER after someone with a gun confronted them and or placed a load of #9 birdshot in their arse. Rocksalt is an even better reminder!
Funny the people that were encircling me and a friend at a boat launch suddenly went the other way when my Glock was "exposed".
Funny the man with the history of violent assaults against women never came back when he had a 4" .44 mag put in his face to prevent him from breaking into my parents house when my 5'1" 100 lb mother was normally all alone.
Funny how the majority of self defense gun uses never get recorded because NO SHOTS WERE FIRED. Or maybe you can disprove DOJ Offenders Fiream use study Nov 2001 and multiple police shooting incident reports dont state clearly only 15% of the time a gun is used were shots fired?
Maybe the idiot who believes mass force of young strong men is not a life endangering threat is 1) an idiot 2) one of the flash mob themself 3) a trained ninja or some other super human defensive expert that is 100lbs and frail but can still kick Godzilla's butt. Well, we see only #3 does not apply!
Funny how when one actually reviews all the current documented defensive gun uses, we do not see the intended victim being disarmed like the fantasy claim of an unenlightened blogger. But hey, 49 states now with conceaLED carry.
You should have THOUSANDS of examples of victims being disarmed.
No, hundreds then maybe?
No tens maybe?
Geez, sucks to be you chicken little, no data to support you claim even though almost 3 decades and 49 states with data are available, how pathetic!
On Law enforcement leery about concealed-carry legislation
Posted on May 18 at 10:23 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Yeah, all that government data, studies and facts, yet you anti's have what government data, studies and facts to counter the aforementioned data?
Oh thats right, again please warn everyone when you get those facts as we will have to dress warm for the aforementioned hell freezing over.
On Law enforcement leery about concealed-carry legislation
Posted on May 18 at 10:20 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Why is it, that the police, whose best response times are 4 minutes, avg 15-20 minutes can only solve 8.75% of all violent crimes committed on a yearly basis?
FBI UCR 2008 1.38 mil VCR (Violent Crime Reported) 49% solved to prosecution, 80% success rate. But oh wait, we have to remember those 4.8 million violent crimes the government recognizes that were not reported USDOJ National Victimization report 2008.
So based on that (1.38 mil x 49%) x 80%) / 1.38 mil + 4.8 mil = 8.75% of the violent crimes committed are solved each year.
Yeah, we need to listen to all those police how they are there to protect us individual citizens, uh yeah right.
On Law enforcement leery about concealed-carry legislation
Posted on May 18 at 10:16 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Lets review the following 10 mass shootings, and note what the body counts were where resistance occurred versus no resistance.
October 16, 1991, Luby’s Cafeteria, Killeen, TX, “Gun-Free”: 1 gunman, 23 murdered, 20 injured.
December 17, 1991 Shoney’s Family Restaurant, Anniston, AL: 3 gunmen, 20 hostages, one ARMED customer (Thomas Glenn Terry). Police finally arrived to find one dead robber, one wounded robber and the third had fled when the shooting started. NO INJURED INNOCENTS.
October 1, 1997, Pearl High School: 1 gunman, 2 murdered, 7 injured: Stopped by ARMED vice principal.
April 20, 1999, Columbine, “Gun-Free”: 2 gunmen, 13 murdered, 24 injured. Many were murdered AFTER the police were “on scene”.
January 16, 2002, Virginia Appalachian School of Law: 1 gunman, 3 murdered, 3 injured. Killer was stopped when confronted by two ARMED students.
April 16, 2007, Virginia Tech, “Gun-Free”: 1 gunman, 32 murdered, 25 injured. Most were murdered AFTER the police were “on scene”.
Dec 9 2007, Colorado Springs, New Life Church, 1 gunman 2 murdered, 3 injured, gunman stopped when armed woman shoots gunman, who then turns gun on self and commits suicide, while 100 other church members are in church.
Feb 14,2008 Northern Illinois UNiversity, 1 gunman, 5 dead, 18 injured, gunman kills self long before police arrive to engage.
May 4th, College Station Georgia 2 gunman, 10 victims, 1 dead gunman, 1 victim wounded. The 2 thugs robbing a party begin discussing if they have enough bullets to do the job. One man retrieves his firearm, kills one thug, chases the other off.
Nov 5 ,2009 Ft Hood Texas, 1 gunman, 13 dead, 30 wounded. Military personnel on base are BANNED from having a weapon, but the shooter did, and it was almost 9 minutes before police responded
Gun Free Zone 5 incidents
Defenseless victims murdered: 86
Defenseless victims injured: 117
Where murderers encountered ARMED resistance 5 incidents
murdered: 7
Where murderers encountered ARMED resistance; injured: 14
Wow, where no resistance occurred 9 plus times higher body count.
Yep, a higher body count is morally superior to a lower body count based on the anti's beliefs.
On Law enforcement leery about concealed-carry legislation
Posted on May 18 at 10:14 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
We of course see how the anti gun lobby claims such effectiveness of this pathetically useless law with the hard data they can present that the 1.66 million plus who weren’t prosecuted then didn’t go and buy from an unlicensed source?
We also see how the USDOJ survey in 1997 where felons identified purchasing their weapons from 80% street buys, 12% retail stores, 2% gun shows.
Then that 68% reduction of attempted buys from licensed sources puts the street buys at 95.52% in today’s numbers. Firearm Use by Offenders, Bureau of Justice Statistics, November 2001 http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=pb....
Amazing how ineffective that poster child of futility is and this trend is similar with ALL gun control laws.
Yet more laws will prevent criminals and terrorists from getting a firearm, ROTFLMFAO, uh yeah, and the moon is made of cheese and the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, right!
On Law enforcement leery about concealed-carry legislation
Posted on May 18 at 10:13 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Haynes vs. U.S. 390 U.S. 85 1968, where the US Supreme Court ruled 8-1 in favor of Haynes that any law requiring a felon to self incriminate themselves and violate their 5th amendment rights was not enforceable as a charge for prosecution.
Hence criminals don't have to follow the laws that do so, e.g. your stolen weapons, registrations, etc.... Amazing how the criminals don't have to obey these laws yet only law-abiding citizens do? This just validates the hypocrisy that laws affect only the felons!
After all, 20,000 gun laws and we see how effective a piece of legislation is at stopping violence because if it did, there wouldn't be ANY VIOLENT CRIME.
Of course we see from the USDOJ Background Check & Firearm transfer report 2008
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/htm...
Brady Check report that of the 99 million checks for purchases from licensed sources only, since 1994.
We see a total of 1.67 million valid rejections, a 68% decrease in felons attempting to buy from a licensed source, and 58% of those rejected being felons.
We see that between 2000-2008 only 13,024 were prosecuted, or less than 1%.
On Law enforcement leery about concealed-carry legislation
Posted on May 18 at 10:11 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Yet here you are, placing a plea to the 80 million law abiding, when you should be talking to the two groups responsible for more than 95% of the deaths from use of firearms. The career criminals/gang members and the crazies who commit suicide.
The government acknowledges in USDOJ National Gang Threat Assessment 2009 that 80% of all violent crimes committed in the US each year are committed by career criminals/gang members. http://www.justice.gov/ndic/pubs32/32146...
Suicidal people kinda speak for themselves.
Shall we review police studies in Chicago and MYC where between 76-80% of those involved in shootings, both shooter and injured were both involved in criminal activity at the time of the incident.
www.popcenter.org/problems/drive_by_shoo...,
www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/publ..., www.nyclu.org/files/nypd_firearms_report...
So when are you going to address those two groups responsible for over 95% of all deaths using a firearm as frankly it is rather stupid not to address the largest reason for a problem, then again, we are talking about progressives here.
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On Signs of the times: Rock County tackles concealed carry complications
Posted on November 14 at 9:32 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
As far as CC being illegal before, do you really want to try and prove that concealed carry has been illegal or banned since the origination of the state, much less the US Constitution?
Come one, lets see how concealed carry has never been legal, but something about hades freezing over before that occurrs comes to mind!
What you will see is that concealed carry was banned over a 5 decade travesty of rights infringement. A travesty that has thankfully been turned around dramatically in the last 17 years.