Palin revs up Republicans for McCain

By GLEN JOHNSON  Thursday, Sept. 4, 2008
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Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, left, is joined by Republican presidential candidate John McCain, right, and daughter Piper at the end of her speech at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minn., Wednesday.

— The Republican presidential nomination his at last, John McCain makes his case for the presidency to the GOP convention and the nation after his surprise choice for vice president, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, energized delegates with a rousing speech.

Searing, at times sarcastic, but always smiling, Palin used her speech Wednesday night to cast the White House as the logical place for a man of McCain's character. The 72-year-old began his national service as a 17-year-old Navy midshipman, before spending 5½ years as a Vietnam prisoner of war and the past 26 years as a member of Congress.

"In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers. And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change." said Palin, toying with the central theme in Obama's campaign.

Palin's 19-year-old son, Track, ships out for Iraq next week with his Army unit. The governor was unflinching as she contrasted McCain's military record with a lack of armed service by Obama and his running mate, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware.

"There is only one man in this election who has ever really fought for you in places where winning means survival and defeat means death — and that man is John McCain," said Palin.

With his own acceptance speech Thursday night, McCain kicks off the general election and begins his final push to win a White House term that eluded the Arizona senator during a previous campaign in 2000.

"I think we've got to make the case that I'm ready, that I put my country first and it's time to put aside our partisan rancor and differences and work together for the country, and that I can create jobs and restore our economy and keep our country safe," McCain told ABC News in an interview Wednesday.

McCain secured his nomination early Thursday, Eastern time, following a state-by-state roll call vote by nearly 2,400 delegates gathered at the Xcel Energy Center on the banks of the Mississippi River.

Delegates witnessing Palin's political coming-out party had high hopes for her candidacy, especially after the 44-year-old faced the challenge of matching the star power of Obama. The 47-year-old Illinois senator accepted his nomination last week before a stadium crowd of 84,000 people in Denver.

"For too many times, we've brought knives to gun fights," said Chuck Gast, a delegate from Maryland.

When asked if Palin, a hunter, brought a gun to the fight, Gast said, "Yes, I think she brings a big gun — like a moose gun."

Alaska delegate Ralph Seekins, who knows Palin personally, said she relished her prime-time audience.

"She's an attractive lady and that's disarming to a lot of people," he said. "At the same time, she's a very capable lady. We respect her in Alaska and we think as the rest of the country and the rest of the world gets to know her, they'll be the same."

In a nod toward party unity, McCain also gave speaking roles to three of his former political rivals.

The highest honor was accorded former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who used a taunting, rollicking address to accuse Obama and the Democrats of not learning the lessons of the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

Giuliani said McCain "will keep us on offense against terrorism at home and abroad."

Alluding to last week's Democratic National Convention, he added: "Of great concern to me, during those same four days in Denver, they rarely mentioned the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. They are in a state of denial about the biggest threat that faces this country. And if you deny it and you don't deal with it, you can't face it."

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney said Obama "ducked and dodged" when asked recently about the threat of Islamic terrorism. "John McCain hit the nail on the head," said Romney. "Radical violent Islam is evil, and he will defeat it."

Meanwhile, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, known for his wit and humor on the trail, rebuffed those who questioned Palin's experience.

"I want to tell you folks something," said Huckabee. "She got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."







reader COMMENTS (1188)
Spanky
Nov 29, 2008 at 9:26 a.m.
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Uninformed voters and a base that wasn't thrilled about McCain is why Obama won. He had has base ready to go out and vote. McCain wasn't a good choice for the republican party at all. The only reason is was as close as it was is because Palin got the base fired up.

RetiredAirForce
Nov 26, 2008 at 8:58 a.m.
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Whythink…the phonics classes worked, that is the reason I pointed out your POOR remark on “the governor of basically Milwaukee”. You know, the city of Milwaukee with LESS people and almost 7000 times less land mass of the largest state in the nation, otherwise known as Alaska. But yeah…they are “basically” the same. I have no problems with your opinion of Palin, everyone has one. But when you come out and TRY to say a governor of any state is “basically” the same as the mayor of any city; it is ludicrous. Like I said we will always be screwed when voters have this much understanding of their own government.

whythink
Nov 25, 2008 at 12:20 p.m.
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Retired, did you miss your hooked on phonics today... The key work is BASICALLY Milwaukee.

Mrs. Palin ran a town the size of Monroe and a state with the population of Milwaukee. Thus my statement, "the govenor or basically Milwaukee."

I don't like Mrs. Palin because of her radical political views, her inexperience, and her general lack of basic world knowledge (geography for example). Thankfully/hopefully she will go away because President Obama will take office in less than 2 months.

RetiredAirForce
Nov 25, 2008 at 1:29 a.m.
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lol...somone that doesn't like Palin thinks Milwaukee has it's own govenor. We will always be screwed in this country when voters have this much understanding of their own Government.

whythink
Nov 24, 2008 at 12:24 p.m.
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Well, Ms. Palin certainly proved you don't have to be a genius to be the Mayor of basically Monroe, WI or the Govenor of basically Milwaukee, WI.

Hopefully, Ms. Palin will GO AWAY!

Spanky
Nov 16, 2008 at 5:09 p.m.
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Yeah you become a Governor because your dumb. Well said Nurse4u u moron.

nurse4u
Nov 8, 2008 at 2:28 p.m.
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How do you think Sarah Palin would do on "Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader?"
Do you think she would need help with geography?

whybesad
Nov 6, 2008 at 4:30 p.m.
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Lakekenndy=Clueless

lakennedy
Nov 2, 2008 at 3:58 p.m.
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Less than 48 hours, and he will have the white house, though.

Better get movin on out.

whybesad
Nov 2, 2008 at 9 a.m.
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Obama's "rich" are now making $120,000 it started at $250,000 can WE really TRUST this CLOWN? He doesn't have a CLUE!!!!

redder
Oct 31, 2008 at 3:43 p.m.
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gstube or whatever that means

Are you that riddiculous that you would vote for a man that insists on getting oil from his brethren. Clinton and the dems are the ones who insisted on not making the carabou walk across a dirt road. You people brought this on yourself. Had you listened 10 years ago you would probably not be in this mess to begin with but you didn't you hugged the tree and allowed this to happen. Do not blame McCain for your own short commings. Look at the mine that makes the batteries for your stupid electric junk, what is it a 25 or 50 mile dead zone around it. Yeah thats working out pretty good huh. Oh yeah GM anounced its 40k volt yesterday goooooooddddddiiiieeeeee 40k for a econobox really what planet are they on. How many of you have 40k for a little car? Get serious and quit being the fool and take a part in your own future. Media moles are not helping us now.

Spanky
Oct 31, 2008 at 7:20 a.m.
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gastrube exxon mobil also pays around 45% in taxes. Invest in the company and reap some of the benefits that's what I did.

angelwings
Oct 30, 2008 at 9:44 p.m.
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Something that has bothered me for a long time...A few years ago,I was in need of assistance.I lived with my mom,made little money and had(well,still have) 2 kids to care for.I qualified for medical and food stamps...a lot of $ worth of food stamps! I knew a woman with 2 kids also who had even less than me and no help from anyone whatsoever! She didnt qualify for ANY assistance! WHYWHYWHY!!!!! Why was I special and she suffered!

gstrube
Oct 30, 2008 at 9:59 a.m.
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Exxon's profit...$1,865.69 per second.

Yea, let's put McCain in office so he can give them more tax cuts. Maybe with the energy and economic expertise of Sarah Failin, he can get it over the $2000/second mark. Something they could be proud of while millions of Americans struggle to put food on the table and heat their homes!

whybesad
Oct 30, 2008 at 9:39 a.m.
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You will get results that's for sure your wallet will be thinner and all kinds of feel good bills will go through. Promises will be broken and you will feel all fuzzy inside knowing that you voted for "change". The change won't be any good.

futurerichguy
Oct 30, 2008 at 9:37 a.m.
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kiowamohican, Clinton did not cut the capital gains tax to 20%, it was congress, and it was veto proof as there were enough votes to over-ride the veto. McCain wants to drop it to 15%. I for one believe capital gains should be taxed equal to income at the marginal rate. Besides, if we don't tax capital gains, then we increases the burden on income taxes, and that just doesn't make sense given that those earning income are adding value to the economy, and those earning capital gains are typically speculating. If you're the smart money, then manage your finances like Warren Buffett who's worth $50 B, but pays less than 20% of his income to taxes. It's called buy, hold and reinvest.

Minan
Oct 30, 2008 at 3:43 a.m.
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With any luck we will have a newly elected democratic president and a veto proof congress after next week’s election. There better not be any scandals out of them. There is to much work to be done fixing the country’s problems. They convinced me to vote for them, I expect results.

MooShoo
Oct 29, 2008 at 7:05 p.m.
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I had my Obama/Biden yard sign stolen last night. No doubt it was one of those "real americans" that did it. Yes indeed, a Sara PHALIN low life Republican must have done it.
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Rather than get mad, I went to the Democratic Headquaters and got another yard sign. Yes, it is proudly displayed in my front yard. If some turd bucket takes it again tonight, it will be back up again on Thursday.
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I voted today and boy do I feel good about casting that ballot. I plan on watching Barak tonight and perhaps going on line to make another political donation. I don't get mad, I get even.

Spanky
Oct 29, 2008 at 6:20 p.m.
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Zoom where has whybesad lied? I have looked through the posts and haven't seen any. You seem like your a kool-aid drinking liberal who has blinders on and u r unwilling to look at Obamas actual plan. Obama has been lying left and right about his plans. Your taxes will go up under an Obama administration no matter what he tells you. You may not see your payroll taxes go up but, he will raise the taxes somewhere. Barney Frank has already said he intends to have bills that will raise taxes. Just wait and see and remember you were warned.

whybesad
Oct 29, 2008 at 6:05 p.m.
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kiowamohican your right on.

kiowamohican
Oct 29, 2008 at 5:29 p.m.
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Newsflash for you guys.
Clinton cut capital gains..Cut it from 28% to 20%.
Won't matter to much how much Obama raises it anyway. Everyone who has not been short selling the market has lost, and won't be claiming capital gains. Instead they will have tax WRITE OFFS for losses.

kiowamohican
Oct 29, 2008 at 5:24 p.m.
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Zoom:
Investors Business Daily has the race at 3%. They had the 2004 election dead on. Rassmussen also has it at 3% points, and he called every single state correct in 2004. Those are the only polls i will put any real stock into.
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c...
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Those polls were released around mid day yesterday and the market took off, DESPITE having a consumer confidence report that was the lowest it has been in over two decades. Obama has been ahead in most polls by about 7-10%. The market obviously does not go directly by polling #'s, but it does plays into it. All the smart $$$ knows the economy is doomed if he takes office, with a Democratic congress, don't kid yourself. If you don't believe that, I really don't care. If Obama is elected just watch the sell off in days/weeks to come. Position all your capital short sold, and you can clean house.

Zoom
Oct 29, 2008 at 2:27 p.m.
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Also whybesad, the tax plan is right there for all to see on the web site. It hasn't changed. I'll even provide the link, even though I know you will continue to spread lies anyway.
http://www.barackobama.com/taxes/

futurerichguy
Oct 29, 2008 at 2:26 p.m.
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Well said Zoom. Concerning capital gains taxes, we tried lowering them and guess what happenned? People sold and collected their profits and sent those profits offshore or splurged on luxuries. There was no reinvestment. The best way to encourage a buy and hold mentality is to keep capital gains taxes at a reasonable level that encourages investement but discourages speculation. The capital gains tax rate we had before Bush was working just fine. True too for dividend and estate taxes.

Zoom
Oct 29, 2008 at 2:09 p.m.
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OMG whybesad, how many times do people have to explain this? Do you really have no comprehension how our PROGRSSIVE tax law works, or are you just trolling at this point?

Each tax bracket is MARGINAL, meaning only the dollars ABOVE that bracket gets taxed at that higher rate, not everything up to that rate.

Also, Obama wants to repeal ONLY the rate ABOVE $250k, NOT the rates BELOW $250K. The calculator you linked to is comparing the Bush tax cuts to what they were under the previous Clinton administration. Plugging in numbers below $250K would not accurately reflect what Obama wants to do.

Here are some somple examples of what Obama proposes:
If you make exactly $250K YOUR TAX WILL STAY THE SAME.
If you make $300K, ONLY $50K would be taxed 3% more, or for an increase of $1,500.

Finally, you have to examine each candidates ENTIRE proposals, not just pick and choose what you don't like. Neither candidate suggests they will fix our countries problems by changing taxes alone.

whybesad
Oct 29, 2008 at 1:42 p.m.
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3% on $250,000 is $7,500 which As a business owner could be used to expand the business and put that money back into the community. Over 4 years that's $30,0000. That's just income taxes. You add up the capital gains taxes Obama wants to tax on somewhere between $150,000-$250,000 range (depending on what day it is) Futurerichguy don't you think that your able to spend the money you earned better than the government?

whybesad
Oct 29, 2008 at 1:36 p.m.
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Under The current tax code I save $1600 on taxes under the bush tax cuts. Obama wants to take those away. That means I will pay $1600 more under Obama. Isn't that a tax increase? You can look up yours with this worksheet.
http://www.smartmoney.com/personal-finan...

futurerichguy
Oct 29, 2008 at 1:15 p.m.
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whybesad, I'm going to be rich only if our economy improves and I'm able to make more money. Paying an additional 3% on income over $250K will not prevent me from becoming rich.

whybesad
Oct 29, 2008 at 11:20 a.m.
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futurerich guy your screen name is completly opposite of what you believe. Unless you plan on getting money handed to you or winning the lottery. Usually wealth is built because of hard work and new ideas to achieve this goal. Why punish hard work?

futurerichguy
Oct 29, 2008 at 9:42 a.m.
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There is absolutely no correlation between the polls and the financial markets. Obama's tax plan increases the tax rate from 36% to 39% at the $250K income threshold. That's where it was prior to Bush and the market was performing very well under this plan. Why is this so difficult to understand and why do people feel the need to exagerate it as a means to punish those who work hard? Besides, I don't know of too many people who believe that if they simply work harder, they'll be making more than $250K.

whybesad
Oct 29, 2008 at 9:26 a.m.
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Zoom yes I did watch the who exchange between Joe and Obama. It was a good move on McCains part to bring Joe to the forefront. Obama said in plain English what he is going to do. That hits home with normal hardworking people. We all as people want and strive to become successful. Obama wants to punish us for being successful. He keeps changing his so called "rich" benchmark. Biden is now saying it's $150,000. How can you trust it won't go lower before it's to late and he is in office?

Zoom
Oct 29, 2008 at 9:06 a.m.
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kiowamohican, Please illustrate where "Obama surges ahead in the major tracking polls". In fact, tracking polls have been relatively unchanged as a whole for the past two weeks, while the market has fluctuated wildely. Your incorrect correlation between polls and the market doesn't help your credibility relating to financial markets.

"Today's Polls 10/28: Stop me if you've heard this one before. Although the national trackers look slightly stronger for John McCain than they did a couple days ago, Barack Obama once again had an exceptionally good day in the state-level numbers.

To review the national polling situation briefly: Gallup and Research 2000 moved toward McCain, and IBD/TIPP moved toward Obama; the other five trackers were essentially flat. Among the one-off national polls, Pew and ARG moved toward Obama, and Ipsos moved toward McCain.

I increased the sensitivity of the trendline curve today, and will continue to do so over the course of the final week of the campaign. If there is any late movement, we want to be sure that we capture it. Even so, the trendline remains essentially flat, with perhaps just a slight bit (a few tenths of a point) of retreat off of Obama's peak numbers."
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Zoom
Oct 29, 2008 at 8:49 a.m.
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whybesad, did you even see the ENTIRE exchange between Obama and Joe the plumber? It is obvious, by some of the seamingly rehearsed way he says things, that he wasn't really interested in Obama's answer to his questions.

McCain put this guy into the spotlight, and made him a central part of his campaign, by mentioning his name 22 times during the debate (to Obama's 4). Considering all the media attention Joe has been seaking since the last debate, I don't hear him complaining about the scrutiny. Your concern is touching though.

whybesad
Oct 29, 2008 at 7:27 a.m.
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It shows character in a party when an average hard working American asks a Presidential candidate a question and that party throws that person under the bus and investigates him and ridicules him.

kiowamohican
Oct 29, 2008 at 1:28 a.m.
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Tomorrows headlines SHOULD read:
"McCain closes gap in polls, markets soar"
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It is rather telling that the markets have sold off the days which Obama surges ahead in the major tracking polls. Today when many of the tracking polls showed the race close with in 2-4 %age points, the market had its 2nd largest one day gain in history.
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Election is next Tuesday. WATCH the Asian markets that night! If Obama wins you will see a MASSIVE sell off. If McCain wins there will be a huge rally, mark my word on that!

whybesad
Oct 28, 2008 at 5:32 p.m.
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mooshoo don't cut yourself short you are very shallow in your beliefs as by looking at your previous posts. Watch that paycheck shrink if Obama gets in. He's the most liberal Senator and Biden is the 2nd most liberal. Funny how they are talking about tax cuts which is a complete lie.

MooShoo
Oct 28, 2008 at 9:39 a.m.
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Au Contraire Mr. Whybesad, I have very deep beliefs and values. That is why I find it intriguing that RNC would spend $150,000 on clothes for Sarah. It is a desparate attempt to fix an image problem, or as I wrote earlier, to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Sarah Palin is not VP candidate material, she is not ready for the national stage, and other than firing up the base, she is failing miserably. It is clear that she is breaking from the McCain camp and will provide a lot of theatre in the next 7 days.
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I have a lot of respect for John McCain and it must be tough for him right now. He took a gamble on Sarah Palin and it failed. The fact that the nation, the media and the pundits are debating her wardrobe a week before a national election is amazing. It is a political nightmare for John MaCain.

whybesad
Oct 28, 2008 at 8:43 a.m.
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Mooshoo your pretty shallow with your beliefs. Worrying about what Palin is wearing? She was a great pick for McCain someone who isn't a Washington insider and will fear nobody in Washington. We need more like her on both sides of the isle. Term limits would be nice.

MooShoo
Oct 27, 2008 at 8:41 p.m.
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I must admit that she sure looks like a Diva in those brand new clothes.

MooShoo
Oct 27, 2008 at 8:32 p.m.
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Wow, Sarah Palin has to be the worst VP pick in History. Back in September Sarah Palin was reving up Republicans for McCain. Less than two months later Sarah Palin quits reving and goes rogue on McCain.

whoanellie
Oct 27, 2008 at 9:36 a.m.
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oh give me a break!!! a race war??? whybesad I love your story!! It is exactly what is going to happen if Obama gets elected! Protect yourself and know who you're voting for! If they can't even answer a hard queston when asked and try to fault the news reporter instead, then I think they don't want us to know what they are really about. It's called gradualism. First they brainwash oherwise smart people then hide what they're really about. in this case it' socialism,and maybe even communism!

futurerichguy
Oct 27, 2008 at 8:29 a.m.
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whybesad, you're forgetting that you need to be at least 18 years old to vote.

whybesad
Oct 27, 2008 at 7:37 a.m.
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The Ant and the Grasshopper

OLD VERSION: The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed.

The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Be responsible for yourself!

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MODERN VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant sh ould be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving.

CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food. America is stunned by the sharp contrast.

How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?

Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper, and everybody cries when they sing, 'It's Not Easy Being Green.'

Jesse Jackson stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film the group singing, 'We shall overcome.' Jesse then has the group kneel down to pray to God fo r the grasshopper's sake.

Nancy Pelosi & John Kerry exclaim in an interview with Larry King that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.

Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity & Anti-Grasshopper Act retroactive to the beginning of the summer.

The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government.

Hillary gets her old law firm to represent the grasshopper in a defamation suit against the ant, and the case is tried before a panel of federal judges that Bill Clinton appointed from a list of single-parent welfare recipients.

The ant loses the case.

The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house h e is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he doesn' t maintain it.

The ant has disappeared in the snow.

The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Be careful how you vote in 2008

kraut60
Oct 26, 2008 at 4:15 p.m.
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" the rise of christianity" brought about the fall of the Roman empire..So, then it would follow that the rise of Obama (or Obamaianity) will be the engine that topples the USA? That would be the ultimate abomination or more correctly "Obama-Nation"...boy howdy and Jesus Palomino, you lefty pukes will have it made! Hope you enjoy it...here kitty, kitty

redder
Oct 25, 2008 at 2:35 p.m.
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The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.
-- Cicero , 55 BC

whybesad
Oct 25, 2008 at 7:10 a.m.
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whythink- I simply brought up affirmative action to show that Obama benefited from this program it wasn't all just having good grades and being a good student.

RetiredAirForce
Oct 24, 2008 at 10:40 p.m.
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Lakennedy…you are in the unique position in life of not only knowing the answers to unasked questions but also have a swami like ability to discern emotion from words on a web page. Do you also know the lotto numbers? To your question on polls, I am fine; I look at them now as much as I have in all previous elections.

whybesad
Oct 24, 2008 at 6:22 p.m.
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You wanna see this economy boom? Repel all capital gains tax on businesses.

lakennedy
Oct 24, 2008 at 12:37 p.m.
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So, smarty, still convinced that there is more than one bush doctrine? Sarah replied with "in what respect, Charlie" because she had no idea what else to say. Keep rationalizing to yourself that she did know. I understand that you're stuck with a really bad decision, and you've come too far to back out now. You sure get angry when someone calls you out on your idiocy. wink wink. Hey, how are you doing after looking at the latest polls? lmao

whythink
Oct 24, 2008 at 11:52 a.m.
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whybesad,

I did not call you a racist.

But, why bring up affirmative action?

whythink
Oct 24, 2008 at 11:50 a.m.
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Uh oh, John McCain the original anit-GW tax cut socialist.

The Obama campaign e-mailed an excerpt from a McCain statement on the Bush tax cuts in 2001 in which McCain said, "I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us at the expense of middle class Americans who most need tax relief." The Democratic e-mail also cited a McCain statement from the 2000 campaign that "I really believe, that when you are-reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more."

http://wcco.com/politics/barack.obama.jo...

RetiredAirForce
Oct 24, 2008 at 10:49 a.m.
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futurerichguy...your anecdote aside, you did not discount the facts of my statement.

RetiredAirForce
Oct 24, 2008 at 10:45 a.m.
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Lakennedy…You are wrong on the doctrine and her response to the question from Gibson. Did you read the transcript? Gibson asked a specific on the doctrine from Sept 2002 “smart pants”. The doctrine is multifaceted and has changed with additions many times between then and now. So her response “In what respect, Charlie”, was more than accurate. You don’t have to like the answer but try to get over your intellectual dishonesty by saying she did not answer. She provided comments on the subject; again read the transcript. As an aside, if you already know the answer to an unasked question you are indeed smarter than we all think you already are; wink wink.

futurerichguy
Oct 24, 2008 at 10:44 a.m.
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RetiredAirForce, your argument is a common regurgitated argument that the rich use to rally the working middle class against those living in poverty. It's a delusional ego trip that makes a working class Joe actually believe they're in a class above those in poverty. In actuality its the rich man who's keeping you in your place. He's holding a tiny carrot in your face while he's eating the entire carrot cake.

RetiredAirForce
Oct 24, 2008 at 10:32 a.m.
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Zoom...so you admit his plan can't drop a tax rate below zero; so how can he lower their taxes? A tax credit is not lowering taxes it is a hand out. His plan is a sham. If someone already pays zero and he gives them money he has not lowered their taxes!

Zoom
Oct 24, 2008 at 9:38 a.m.
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my comment was directed to whybesad.

Zoom
Oct 24, 2008 at 9:37 a.m.
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No, Obama said he will repeal Bush's 3% tax reduction ONLY for income over $250k, which is only 5% of working people and small business. However, for the 95% of working Americans who make less than $250k, their taxes will stay the same or decrease. This will result in a NET TAX DECREASE.

Obama also wants to eliminate capital gains taxes for investments in small businesses and start ups. McCain would continue to tax capital gains for small businesses at 15%.

futurerichguy
Oct 24, 2008 at 9:24 a.m.
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Raising taxes is sound policy when your government spends 20% of its budget on debt interest. Remember, Obama is just rolling back the Bush tax cuts so we can move closer to a budget surplus like we had under Clinton and start paying off debt. Also, the Bush tax cuts were a great experiment in tax policy that proved "trickle down" doesn't work. The Obama tax plan favors the middle class, but the most important thing is that a healthy middle class leads to a prosperous economy so everyone wins.

whybesad
Oct 24, 2008 at 9:10 a.m.
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Zoom- Obama has said he would get rid of the Bush tax cuts. Well, wouldn't this actually be a tax INCREASE? So, if he takes the Bush tax cuts away the percentage of taxes I would pay will go up. The capital gains taxes would go up and then Obama is going to tax the people and businesses earning $250K even more. Do you really think that raising ANY taxes in this economy is going to do any good?

Zoom
Oct 24, 2008 at 8:33 a.m.
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Yes RAF, Obama will provide a Making Work Pay tax credit of $500 for workers and $1000 for working couples. For those that pay no net taxes, I consider this a stimulus package for people who actually need it and would spend it, instead of more money for the 5% of the population that don't need it and don't "trickle down" the tax breaks created by Bush.

McCain's only relief for middle class families is an increase in the dependant exemption, which leaves out 101 million households. A family with two children would get a whopping $125 credit the first year. There is a reason you never hear McCain use the words "middle class". It's time for a new approach.

lakennedy
Oct 24, 2008 at 8:27 a.m.
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Retiredairforce: I'd hardly expect Sarah Palin to memorize the entire Bush Doctrine. I do expect her to be able to discuss what she agrees with and what she disagrees with. She can't do that. Now, back to you. You write "which of the many bush doctrines should she have memorized before the interview?" There is only ONE Bush Doctrine, smarty pants. It is comprised of many foreign policy principles, but all of them fall under one name: The Bush Doctrine. Nice try though. I don't think she should have to memorize anything in order to speak intelligently about it. Apparently you do, though. And that speaks volumes to the level of confidence even the right has in their idiotic nominee. She damn well should be able to discuss the Bush Doctrine. I guess I might need to lower my expectations when it comes to Sarah, I mean she isn't even able to name one piece of journalistic material she reads to get her news. This is who you endorse? I already know your answer: "you betcha, golly gee whiz, that mavericky Sarah Palin is goin to be my gosh darn Vice President." wink wink. Enjoying the polls? I know I am.

lovetoscrap
Oct 24, 2008 at 1:32 a.m.
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Betty, I believe you have it mixed up. There are rumors going around that actually have obama pegged as the anti-Christ. Scary. Of course we were assured at our church that he is not...he doesn't quite match up to all the criteria. And, with his policies he would be the greater of two evils making him a little more "of working hand and hand with the devil". Lying, deceit, murder, and stealing are usually characteristics of evil. Obama seems to have a lot of that going on for him.

BETTYEJ
Oct 24, 2008 at 12:45 a.m.
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It is a sad time in our country when two adults that are on the top of their party's ticket feel that the only way they can win is by dividing our country and causing a race War. People, we are better then this. For all of the ones that have got on McCain and Palin bus of Mass Destruction, this is not God's way, it is working hand and hand with the Devil.

Two wrong people don't make a right and this is the time that our country need to Unite.

Wake up America, see what is beneath all those fancy{$150.000,00} clothes and know that no amount of money can buy class. Either you have it or you don't.

The color of a person skin can change, but Character is something from within, and that is why I am voting for Senator Obama.

By the way, we didn't win the war in Viet Nam, not by a long shot, so McCain need to stop tooting his own horn. I know men that actually faught there and got the wounds and battle scars to show for it, but they have never used it as a stepping stone, and they are more of a Hero then McCain will ever be!

" WHEN YOU STAND FOR NOTHING, YOU WILL FALL FOR ANYTHING "!

RetiredAirForce
Oct 23, 2008 at 11 p.m.
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Zoom...still waitng for an answer on how Obama is going to lower the tax rate below ZERO; 30% of American working families are now (not) paying.

Zoom
Oct 23, 2008 at 5:17 p.m.
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...and under Obama's plan the "not so well off people" that "get all the breaks when it comes to programs" will be about 95% of working families and small businesses.

Zoom
Oct 23, 2008 at 5:06 p.m.
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Spanky, the threshold hasn't changed. Obama has always said if your income is less then $250k, your taxes rate will be the same OR lower than what it is now.

For those folks who really care about the facts, here's basically how it breaks down:
Income over $250k will be taxed 3% more, which is the same rate when Clinton left office. Taxes are marginal, so only income MORE THAN $250K gets taxed 3% more. For example, if your income is $300k, only $50k will be taxed 3% higher, not the whole $300k.
Income from $200k to $250k will be taxed the same as now.
If your income is below $200k, you will see a tax credit.

Stewy
Oct 23, 2008 at 4:02 p.m.
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What's wrong with less than wealthy people getting free healthcare and schooling? They deserve it. All these rich peple get what they want why can't poor people get things? Affirmative action is a great thing it helps blacks get into college and get a beeter education. You rich people just don't get it.

Spanky
Oct 23, 2008 at 3:37 p.m.
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It seems that the not so well off people get all the breaks when it comes to programs. I wish Obama would just tell us the truth about what he plans on doing. He changes his numbers daily. First it was he will raise taxes on people making over 250K now it's 200K it's just going to keep going down. It's really hard to trust this guy.

lovetoscrap
Oct 23, 2008 at 3:30 p.m.
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I can't stand affirmative action! What a joke. That is one thing that needs to be done away with. Let the person earn his job or place in college based on merit. What a bragging point...yeah, I was accepted to the UW Madison's therapy program...(of course I'm not telling you that I had an easier test to take to qualify and I still didn't earn as a high of a score as the white girl who didn't make it because she was white...just because I'm black!) Maybe the black kids who are selling drugs around here will have a little more belief in themselves if they realized they are no different. Maybe if the government would quit saying..."yep, you are special and something is wrong with you so we are going to help you out." The black men and women that I admire the most...Bill Cosby being one of them, is totally against afirmative action. I can see why!

whybesad
Oct 23, 2008 at 3:18 p.m.
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Humble beginnings living in Hawaii going to private schools. Going to Harvard that's pretty humble. Palin had to enter beauty contests to try and win scholarships to help pay for college. Which seems more "humble" whythink?

whybesad
Oct 23, 2008 at 3:14 p.m.
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Oh so now I'm a racist? WOW!! Not sure how you get that from any of my posts but, so be it you are entitled to your opinion. I'm not a Rush listener I can just see the media biased with my own eyes. But, thanks for being concerned about my listening preferences.

whythink
Oct 23, 2008 at 2:24 p.m.
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Ah, whybesad listened to Rush cry about the media not asking the Michell $ for clothes question.

If Obama was assisted by affirmative action then it just shows how much he has had to overcome to get where he is. It proves how no silver spoon was in his mouth at birth.

Why would benfitting from a legal program be an issue? If it isn't an issue why bring it up?
Maybe you share the same racist views as Rush?

whybesad
Oct 23, 2008 at 2:17 p.m.
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He was also was helped by affirmative action.

whybesad
Oct 23, 2008 at 2:15 p.m.
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Well all be mooshoo we aren't talking about Michelle and we won't hear anything about her from the media because they are in the sack for Obama 110%. Well mooshoo I was just pointing out that the media is very biased in their so called reporting but, your just to ignorant to accept that I guess. Did you know that Hillary pays $6,000 for one of those pant suits we have all come to love. Did ya hear about that in the media mooshoo? didn't think so.

Zoom
Oct 23, 2008 at 12:48 p.m.
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whoanellie, actually, Obama has lived middle class or lower much of his life. He paid for his bachelors degree with student loans, and didn't start doing well financially until after he earned his law degree. McCain became wealthy the minute he married into an upper class family, not that there is anything wrong with that.

This "spread the wealth" mantra, like the "socialist" mantra and comparing Obama's plan to Russia, is hilarious. Since you have enjoyed the benefits of a PROGRESSIVE tax system your entire life, and you call yourself a "middleclasser", you would receive a middle class tax cut under Obama's plan. In later life, if you aren't there already, you can also enjoy the other "spread the wealth" programs like social security and medicare. I haven't heard McCain proposing to eliminate social security or medicare, or propose a flat tax. Until that happens, using your logic, we are already socialist.

MooShoo
Oct 23, 2008 at 12:35 p.m.
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Aw Shucks, Whybesad, were not talkin about Michelle, were talkin about Sarah. So is the national news media. You know, the $150,000 clothes buyin' spree (wink, wink), jettin' the kids around on the taxpayer's nickle and this troublesome deposition thing. It's time you and me start sittin' around the table and talkin' like real americans, you know, just one of us average Joe's.

Zoom
Oct 23, 2008 at 12:30 p.m.
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If the Republicans hadn't been calling Obama an elitist, and Palin wasn't trying to paint herself as a "hockey mom", I'm not sure $150k for clothing would be a two day story. What exactly was wrong with her clothing anyway? I heard that the genius that approved spending $150K on clothing in one shot also approved the "terrorist" robo calls. The McCain campaign is a train wreck. Why do they continually give the media these easy shots so close to the election?

RetiredAirForce
Oct 23, 2008 at 10:20 a.m.
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Here is Obama's “reality” of spreading his wealth. From 2000-2004 he gave 1% of earnings to charity. In 2005 he gave 4.7% and in 2006 6.1%. If he really wanted to spread HIS wealth around he would have. The only wealth he wants to spread is other peoples money---typical politician “don’t look at what I have done, look at what I want America to do”.

whoanellie
Oct 23, 2008 at 10:13 a.m.
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if any of you think that Obama is going to spread his wealth anywhere near you, you are sadly mistaken. he will take from you and me and give to people who didn't EARN it!! If he so believes in this philosophy why hasn't he lived like we in Janesville who are mostly Middleclass? No, he will keep his wealth and get richer, while us "middleclassers will become as poor as the poverty level. look at Russia, they supposedly do this "Spread the wealth" thing. the only ones who have any money are the ones in power!! Boy! You Obama backers are sure brainwashed! I haven't seen any of his money in my wallet, and I'm not dumb enough to think I ever will. Keep your hands off my wallet Obama!

RetiredAirForce
Oct 23, 2008 at 10:05 a.m.
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lakennedy...which of the many bush doctrines should she have memorized for the interview?

lakennedy
Oct 23, 2008 at 9:41 a.m.
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whybesad: It really doesn't matter how much Barack spends on his clothes. He didn't take federal money, he's raised it himself. And don't even start complaining about the amount of money he's raised. It's a testament to the amount of people who support Obama. Besides, Bush still has him beat in the 2004 election.

lakennedy
Oct 23, 2008 at 9:39 a.m.
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I really don't care how much someone pays for their clothes. If the RNC wants to spend that much, let them. I'm a lot more concerned about the fact that she doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is, can't name one USSC court decision besides Roe v. Wade, and is unable to name one piece of news that she reads. These are all issues that concern me.

whybesad
Oct 23, 2008 at 8:42 a.m.
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MOOSHOO then you should dig up and see how much the Obama's have spent on their clothes the past 18 months. If it's such an issue for you. He's just an average guy to right? He's for the working people right? Do some research on it and get back and let us know what you find. O wait that's right it doesn't matter because he's a democrat.

whybesad
Oct 23, 2008 at 8:26 a.m.
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The economy wasn't as bad in 1992 as it is now. And Clinton raised everyone's taxes. Biggest tax INCREASE in history.

whythink
Oct 23, 2008 at 8:20 a.m.
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We will all be affected by the tax increase on businesses and corporations that make over 250k. They are the ones creating the jobs that most people work for. If they have to pay more in taxes they are less likely to hire people or retain their current employees. They will end up raiding the price for their goods and services that we all need in our everyday lives. Right now with all these jobs being cut do to the economic turn down we can't afford to overtax anybody or any business.

In 1992 taxes for those making a higher income were raised. Anyone remember the outcome of that. All those jobs lost and the deficit...oh wait, that is the result of the 2000 tax plan. The 1992 result was job creation and a surplus by 2000.

I don't buy the projection that a similar tax plan to 1992 will hurt the economy but a similar tax plan to 2000 will help it. For some reason that doesn't work for me.

whythink
Oct 23, 2008 at 8:14 a.m.
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whatdidyousay,

Are you against equal education for all? Is that what makes me socialist?
What about Health care? Allowing all Americans access to health care without having to declare bankruptcy? Is that socialist?
I believe our founding fathers would want Americans access to these things. I believe they are essential elements to LIFE LIBERTY and the PURSUIT of happiness.

BTW, does the consitution guarantee roads, rail systems, the military? These are all things paid for by taxes and yes, Bill Gates can and should pay a higher percent than myself. John McCain agreed with that in 2000, unfortunately McCain has sold out to the elite Republicans during this run for the presidency.

RetiredAirForce
Oct 23, 2008 at 7:49 a.m.
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The media already decided that depositions are no big thing...remember the Clinton days?

MooShoo
Oct 23, 2008 at 7:45 a.m.
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P.S. I wonder how the deposition is going for Ms. Phalin today. No doubt she is lookin' good, wink wink.

RUSerious
Oct 23, 2008 at 7:42 a.m.
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It is always wise to back up your stories with research before you report them. It saves embarrassment, as it would have saved the reporter who "broke" that "story".

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/roo...

MooShoo
Oct 23, 2008 at 7:40 a.m.
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You betcha its an issue. This is a woman who tries to convince the average Joe that she is one of us. B.S.! When was the last time you went on a $150,000 shopping spree for clothes? And you think she won't belly up to the trough of special interest lobbying funds? Give me a break.

whybesad
Oct 23, 2008 at 7:30 a.m.
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Yeah grasping at what she spends on clothes. That's an issue that Americans need to be concerned about. Thought you lefties wanted to talk about issues is the cost of clothes that she wears a real issue? Nobody ever says a word about Obama's $3,000 a piece suits or that Michelle Obama ordered caviar on the campaign trail.

MooShoo
Oct 23, 2008 at 6:58 a.m.
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Sarah Phalin, fashion queen. Governor from Alaska who wants to be your next Empress.

MooShoo
Oct 22, 2008 at 10:38 p.m.
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Thanks for sharing the link JohnDoe. She is just like us, one of those common people ya know sittin around the kitchen table tryin' to git buy without big government in our lives... when were not jettin' the family around at taxpayer expense or goin' on one of those $150,000 shopping trips.

JohnDoe
Oct 22, 2008 at 10:22 p.m.
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polert...for as much as you like to hear yourself talk...your silence on this issue is deafening...
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/P...

MooShoo
Oct 22, 2008 at 10:19 p.m.
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It just keeps getting better for Sarah Phalin. The RNC spent $150,000 on a clothes buying shopping spree for Mrs. Phalin. Proof that you can indeed make a silk purse out of a sows ear. She sure will look good giving that deposition in Alaska. This, my friends is the woman who shrills that Sen. Obama is an elitist. She sure knows how to fire up the base.

RetiredAirForce
Oct 22, 2008 at 8:08 p.m.
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Desertman…Why should America just “shut up” if the tax plan YOU THINK does not affect them? Have you read his tax plan? His plan states that 95% of American working families would receive a tax cut under his plan. If you had any grasp of the Presidents ability to affect your taxes you would know they only come in three forms; Medicare/Medicaid, SSN, and federal pay roll taxes. His plan is for pay roll taxes at the federal level. If you look at the level working American families pay these federal pay roll taxes you see they are broken down into groups of 5 (quintiles). Currently the lowest two quintiles (more than 30% of the families) pay a ZERO federal pay roll tax after deductions and tax credits. So how does Obama’s plan lower a working family’s tax below a zero rate? The truth is he can’t…that is the lie in his plan. This same lie is the one the majority of the voting public has bought as well as the media. If the basis for his tax plan is a lie, how do we really know what he will do? Remember when Clinton ran he said he was going to lower our taxes too. What did he do? Oh yeah, the largest tax hike in history. SO you can wallow around with your head in the sand over what you think his plan is. But please let the rest of us think for ourselves.

RetiredAirForce
Oct 22, 2008 at 7:51 p.m.
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Zoom…If you had read my post, you would have seen the “comparison” between Obama and Palin was from your reading not from my words. I simply stated any Governor from the 50 states has as much foreign policy experience as a first term senator.

Whatdidyousay
Oct 22, 2008 at 6:01 p.m.
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Whythink:
Why change this country into a socialist one? There are plenty already you can move to. Our founding fathers would be shaking their heads in disbelief if they could hear the likes of you. Unbelievable. I am wondering, are you a product of our current liberal education system? If so, then I can't fault you for your thinking, it's what is being taught in our public schools and liberal colleges today.

Zoom
Oct 22, 2008 at 5:59 p.m.
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FYI, McCain's choice of Palin as VP is now effecting him in the polls. One criteria undecided voters use to decide, is their perception of a President's decision making ability. Most (not all) of the Republican base doesn't care, but independant voters sure do. There are slightly more Democratic voters this year than Republican, so while McCain has shored up his base, he is now losing independant and undecided voters. McCain won't win with Republican voters alone.

"So, he knows the issues we that's impressive so do a lot of other people in this Country."

But Palin doesn't know the issues, as far as anyone can tell. If she did, she would be doing more than softball interviews with Katie Couric. Considering a VP's ONLY real power is to break ties in the Senate, and replace the President if need be, she is only qualified for half of the job. A lot of other people could break ties in the Senate. McCain took a gamble on Palin, and it may cost him the election.

whybesad
Oct 22, 2008 at 5:25 p.m.
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Ok Zoom what does Gov. Doyle do while he is over in Japan? He is trying to get FOREIGN countries to buy Wisconsin made products that is what Gov. do. It's very common among the 50 states. What foreign policy does Obama have? So, he knows the issues we that's impressive so do a lot of other people in this Country.

whybesad
Oct 22, 2008 at 5:20 p.m.
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Last time I checked it was McCain running for President not Palin. FYI

whybesad
Oct 22, 2008 at 5:19 p.m.
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We will all be affected by the tax increase on businesses and corporations that make over 250k. They are the ones creating the jobs that most people work for. If they have to pay more in taxes they are less likely to hire people or retain their current employees. They will end up raiding the price for their goods and services that we all need in our everyday lives. Right now with all these jobs being cut do to the economic turn down we can't afford to overtax anybody or any business.

whythink
Oct 22, 2008 at 4:30 p.m.
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If you believe the Gov. of Alaska has as much knowledge and access as a US Senator I can't help you.

whythink
Oct 22, 2008 at 4:28 p.m.
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If providing equal education for all is a socialist idea than sign me up for the socialist party.

I believe providing equally funded education and equal health care to everyone will greatly reduce the need for several other programs we currently pay for.

Last I check, according to J. Kozol "The Shame of America", in NY two equally qualified teachers can start at completely different pay rates. 50% difference. In a rich suburban district you can be paid up to 2x the rate of an equally qualified teacher in a poor urban district.
If this makes me a socialist, again, sign me up. I believe it makes me an American looking forward to a better standard of living for all American not just those born to the right parents, neighborhood or circumstance.

redder
Oct 22, 2008 at 3:28 p.m.
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desertman
I want my money in my check book. I want your money in your check book. I don't want part of my money in your check book. Thats it. Fundamentally its wrong for you to take what is mine. I dopnt care if its $5 or .50 whats mine is mine and I pay my share. What yours is yours. I don't steal from you you don't steal from me. If I earn 250k its not up to you to change the rules and start taking what I EARN. You see EARN is the word of the day. I EARN it not you. I WORK for it not you. It is mine not YOURS. Why is this so hard for people to understand

desertman
Oct 22, 2008 at 1:08 p.m.
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Just a quick question to all of you out there who believe in the McCain ticket. How many of you are going to be impacted by any tax cut. If you do make more than a quarter of a million dollars a year then you have a reason to say something. Anyone else should shut up, cause your taxes arn't going up. And if your so wrapped up in this new idea of socialism, it's already here thanks to your president Bush.

Zoom
Oct 22, 2008 at 11:47 a.m.
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The problem with Palin is that she knows nothing. She can't think on her feet. If she is rattled by softball questions from Katie Couric or a third grader, how much confidence will she instill to the rest of the world, especially our enemies, when she has to take over for McCain in what would be a crisis? The polls are proving my point. I can't believe you folks are still defending McCain's decision to pick Palin. It only brings light to his poor decision.

Mr. RAF, comparing Palin and Obama is silly, because they are running for different offices, but I'll bite. The difference between Palin and Obama is intelligence. Please tell us this foreign policy experience Palin has. She has been asked several times, and can't describe anything that would relate to foreign policy, except selling Alaskan oil to foreigners. Obama knows the world issues, has opinions, and can articulate them. There is no comparison.

RetiredAirForce
Oct 22, 2008 at 10:42 a.m.
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