Park decoy patrol designed as deterrent
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"Mike" who plays the decoy in the undercover sting in the Carver-Roehl Park goes through his routine in attracting male sex seekers.
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Dave Rossmiller sits in the woods at Carver-Roehl Park during a undercover sting operation to catch male sex seekers. Rossmiller would patrol and watch the Rock County Sheriff Department decoy as a back-up security personnel.
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Left-Back-up security Dave Rossmiller and arresting officer Josh Lund plan their undercover sting operation at the Rock County Sheriffs Department to arrest male sex seekers in the Carver-Roehl Park.
BRADFORD TOWNSHIP — The 67-year-old man from Florida was apprehensive about the two men he met in Carver-Roehl Park last Thursday, but that didn’t stop him from asking one of them for sexual activity.
He didn’t get what he asked for.
Instead, he was arrested on a charge of disorderly conduct.
Mike, one of the two decoy officers deployed by the Rock County Sheriff’s Office, explained that the man had not exposed himself, but had grabbed his own crotch as he asked Mike to expose himself.
If the man had flashed Mike, he would have been arrested on a charge of lewd and lascivious behavior, the sheriff’s officer explained.
“He’s leery of him,” Mike said of his fellow decoy, Steve. “He’s leery of me. He knows there have been undercover arrests. But he’s still out here.
“That tells me it’s a compulsion.”
Compulsion or not, having sex or exposing oneself in a public place is illegal, and the Rock County Sheriff’s Office is out to deter the activity.
The decoy operation last week was the latest of four this summer.
It was part of the sheriff’s office’s effort to keep illegal and undesirable activity out of a park with a reputation for anonymous homosexual liaisons but a park that the neighbors have been trying to reclaim for years.
“We’re not targeting these people for their sexual preference,” said Sgt. Josh Lund of the sheriff’s office. “We’re trying to make the park safe for the residents.”
If two people—male or female—met at the park and decided to have sex some other, private place, that’s their prerogative and a not law enforcement issue, Lund said.
While deputies on regular park patrol have issued tickets for underage drinking and littering, “the main problem down there (Carver-Roehl Park) is sexual activity,” Lund said.
Sheriff Bob Spoden reiterated that sexual activity, not sexual preference, is the target of decoy operations at Carver-Roehl Park and at rest stops on Interstate 90/39 in Rock County.
His office is trying to underline the message to the thrill- and sex-seekers: “This kind of behavior is not accepted in our parks. It's not because it's gay sex. It's because it's inappropriate sexual behavior in a public park. …
“The bottom line is that we intend to make sure families and go to Carver-Roehl Park and enjoy the park at any time of year without seeing offensive or illegal behavior,” the sheriff said.
Neighbors appreciate the sheriff’s office’s efforts.
“I think they do a very good job as far as patrolling the situation,” said Ruth Inman, treasurer of Friends of Carver-Roehl Park, the group that started five years ago, soon after the anonymous sexual liaisons made headlines.
“I think the frequency of inappropriate behavior seems to be less,” Inman said. “I judge that by the number of families going down there for picnics and walking the trails.
“Our main goal is for families to enjoy the park,” Inman said.
Carver-Roehl Park is on Carver’s Rock Road just north of Creek Road in Bradford Township. Besides a paved drive, picnic tables and restrooms, the secluded park has trails looping through woods and over creek beds that bubble with water in the spring but are now dry.
The park has been listed as on Web sites as a preferred location for anonymous homosexual hookups.
On the day of the decoy operation, the park was little used over about a six-hour period.
Besides the man arrested, a couple of teen boys drove a pickup in and unloaded bicycles for a ride around the area. A mother brought her kids in to use the restrooms, and a couple of drivers simply looped the park’s drive and left.
A reporter and photographer for The Janesville Gazette sat camouflaged in the woods. Nearby, deputy Dave Rossmiller, decked out head-to-boots in camo, watched from hiding and talked by radio to the two decoy officers.
Rossmiller’s job was to provide security in case anyone threatened the decoy officers. Lund was out of the park in an unmarked squad car, waiting to arrest anyone the decoy officers alerted him to.
The officers prefer to make the arrests as traffic stops out of the park so as not to cause scenes and to keep their cover intact.
The Gazette agreed to use only the first names of the decoys. They were armed and carried police radios.
Lund would disagree with Inman on who uses the park and how often.
“People know about it (anonymous sex) so decent people don’t use the park,” he said. “Very seldom do you see families use the park.”
But the frequency of anonymous liaisons appears to be down—at least from the number of arrests. Last year, four men were arrested in the park. The number this year so far is two.
Some might say that four officers on overtime for four shifts is a steep price to pay for two misdemeanor arrests, but Michael Chase, perhaps the park’s closest neighbor, thinks his tax dollars are being well spent.
Asked about the decoy operations, Chase said: “I like it. I think it’s effective.”
A neighbor for nine years, Chase said he saw men engaged in sex on a park trail two years ago.
“I go over there every day or every other day,” Chase said. “I’ve seen crap, and it disgusts me.”
He said he is seeing less one-on-one activity, “but what I’ve seen is single, older guys sitting in cars waiting for who knows what.”
But Chase thinks the park environment has improved.
“I think it’s a combination of sheriff’s patrols and the signs, the Neighborhood Watch signs: You’re being watched,” Chase said. “When I go there, I want to be seen as watching because I walk around the perimeter of the parking area.
“If I see cars, I go look at the vehicle, and they can see I can see their license plates. Nine times out of 10, they take off. I rarely call the sheriff’s department,” Chase said.
“I’m pleased with the improvements in the park.”
Cops see creepy duty as part of the job
“It’s weird, sitting in the bathroom, hearing the footsteps approach. You’re not sure what’s coming.”
So said Steve, a Rock County sheriff’s deputy and one of two deputies acting as decoys in a recent operation targeting public sex in Carver-Roehl Park.
Steve and Mike acted as decoys last week. They were armed and had radios and another deputy sat camouflaged in the woods as backup. A sheriff’s office sergeant waited in an unmarked car outside the park to arrest offenders away from the decoy operation.
“It’s a little disturbing to have a 60-something guy talk about my sexy legs,” Mike said.
The Janesville Gazette agreed to use only the decoys’ first names to preserve their cover for future operations. They have been decoys at Carver-Roehl Park before and have recognized some men whose apparent behavior is to continually cruise the park for sex, but the men generally have steered clear of the decoys.
The deputies think the activity is an obsession and part of a culture of anonymous sex between men, many of whom have wives or other heterosexual partners.
And, Mike said, “In speaking to them, many have a history of abuse as children. My guess is that they’re not only finding a sexual thrill but also re-enacting a situation from their youth, and now they voluntarily take the active role in those situations.
“In their minds, they’re being the person in control rather than not in control. But that’s just my guess,” Mike said.
“A lot of them seem to be married, so it’s an extracurricular activity. Most probably see themselves as heterosexual, but it’s thrill-seeking behavior.
“There is a fraternity out there,” Mike said. “People know each other; they recognize each other. They might want to have experiences with new people, but they find a sense of security with the people they know.”
Evidence of the brotherhood of thrill-seekers is that officers on decoy duty have seen some men apparently acting as lookouts for others.
Popular times for anonymous liaisons are the lunch hour and from 3 to 6 p.m., when people get off work. The deputies think many of the thrill-seekers are looking for anonymous sex with no strings attached as a quick diversion. The gender of their partners doesn’t matter.
Sgt. Josh Lund, the deputy in the squad car, was actually assaulted while on decoy duty several years ago.
“He made small talk for less than a minute, finished his cigarette, flicked it to the ground—and grabbed my groin,” Lund said.
Steve, too, said a man rubbed his groin. One man in a wheelchair asked him to step up on a toilet so that his genitalia would be level with the man’s face.
“You get to where you just want to run away,” Steve said, “but you can’t.”
The deputies cannot run because it’s part of their job.
All multi-year veterans of the sheriff’s office, the deputies said their law enforcement experiences have hardened them to life’s oddities and unpleasantness, even the creepy things people continually do.
But Mike acknowledged:
“Some people just aren’t comfortable with it. Let’s face it: It’s a distasteful assignment.”
The decoys engage the men in coy conversation. They indicate they’re curious about a sexual liaison but back out after the men proposition or flash them.
“There’s a play back and forth,” Mike said. “It’s an integral part of the operation.”
Sep 4, 2008 at 4:41 p.m.
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I can't believe that someone would really think that it's "okay" for people to just run along and "hide" in the bushes to get their jollies.
In my opinion, if someone thinks that public sex is okay, they either don't have children, or if they do, they really need CPS involvement in their lives.
Just sick.
Sep 4, 2008 at 3:33 p.m.
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The story linked below by tjncj was originally published on the old GazetteXtra site. We posted some stories from before our Oct. 22 launch date to fill out the content of the site. Photos for stories published before our new site launched didn't make the transition.
Sep 4, 2008 at 3:10 p.m.
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They had a bust last fall and posted pictures. This link is the story without the photos. I'm not sure why they aren't still here.
http://www.gazettextra.com/news/2007/oct...
Sep 4, 2008 at 12:50 p.m.
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When these people get arrested, does the Gazette publish their names in the paper? Since it was such a bad thing to have Screemin Meanies in town and several dislike the fact Halbach has other nekkid operations around the area, are these sexual perverts names and possible photos also going to be in the paper, on the internet. We want to get rid of this type of behavior/activity, lets see who the people arrested are.
Sep 4, 2008 at 10:41 a.m.
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truth1-get a life
Sep 4, 2008 at 10:20 a.m.
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Or woodchuck is missing out on hookups at the park.
Sep 4, 2008 at 10:15 a.m.
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Sep 4, 2008 at 9:29 a.m.
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Woodchuck-Pull your head out. This isn't about homophobia. It's about things going on in a PUBLIC park that shouldn't be. People in parks shouldn't have to worry about walking down the trails and dealing with this stuff. Seems like your being intentionally obtuse...if it isn't intentional on your part, your just ignorant.
Sep 4, 2008 at 8:42 a.m.
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If this is such a major problem, why have there been only two arrests this year? All you homophobes are making too much of it. And if the cops are doing this on overtime, the cost per arrest must be astronomical.
Sep 3, 2008 at 11:44 p.m.
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MadeinUSA: There are two guys in each car; it only appears to be one.
Sep 3, 2008 at 9:20 p.m.
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biggirl obviously has a vested interest in the cops being removed from there. There is no other justification for the comments he/she has made.
Sep 3, 2008 at 8:42 p.m.
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biggirl-"In response to the comment on mine, "public" is by no means clear, no matter what this article and the cops say. Clearly, people have to look and look quite actively to find this stuff: in fact, they even have look-outs, and if you were not biased, you could see that for what it is -- an effort to make the act more private, to keep it from families. Sorry, I don't find someone being grabbed after he engages in flirtation an assault, and I don't find behavior performed in bushes, "public" or even that offensive. Leave them alone, I say, until it becomes flagrantly illegal behavior."
Carver-Roehl Park is Public property, it belongs to the public for everyone's use. It is NOT a nude beach or a private club where people are to engage in open sex. Get it? If you would go to see how 2-4 vehicles are parked in that relatively small area, with single men in each vehicle, you might be looking for assistance from an officer wearing camouflage gear. You do NOT have to be looking "quite actively" to see this activity there, nor do you have to look hard to see it in other areas of our communities as well-the other Parks mentioned, it's right out in the open! It's not the homosexuality that's the issue so STOP pointing a finger @ supposed homophobes! Will you take your children to this park, biggirl, so your kids can see people having sex in the woods or bathroom? Of course not, so why defend this behavior?
Sep 3, 2008 at 8:23 p.m.
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biggirl these cops are clearly cramping your style! Men grunting in the bushes sounds like a nice family walk in the park to you? So what is you definition of "public"?
Sep 3, 2008 at 6:57 p.m.
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This park is beautiful. I have fond memories of girl scouts functions "years" ago. Wanted to take my kids (teens) there last fall, but after all the publicity, had to check it out with DAD first. We went, enjoyed the trails, found great photo ops etc. no problem. So I took the "teens"... okay near the parking lot, but once down the "trails", many "inappropriate" sounds were heard. We couldn't continue on to see the great creek, bridge, moss; nature at it's BEST... cause the teens were getting disgusted by the noises heard on the trail!! These are not "fragile" children either. They just wanted to GO!!! Glad they are trying to control the "activity" in these parks. Not anyway against personal preferences, just keep it to yourselves, and keep it private, no matter what way you lean.
Sep 3, 2008 at 6:56 p.m.
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I agree, if you want to have sex, with your buddy, get a damn room and let us enjoy our parks...even if we were talking a hetrosexuals I would say the same thing. Kids go to parks, so keep your adult sex life outta there...jmo
Sep 3, 2008 at 6:39 p.m.
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If they want it to be private and away from families...here's a thought...GET A ROOM! They can travel from other states for sex with strangers but they can't shell out a few bucks for a room? And btw, I highly doubt they have lookouts so they don't bother other people attending the park. I'm sure it's because they want to avoid being arrested. My God, how anyone could defend these deviants is beyond me...but hey, whatever floats your boat.
Sep 3, 2008 at 5:33 p.m.
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In response to the comment on mine, "public" is by no means clear, no matter what this article and the cops say. Clearly, people have to look and look quite actively to find this stuff: in fact, they even have look-outs, and if you were not biased, you could see that for what it is -- an effort to make the act more private, to keep it from families. Sorry, I don't find someone being grabbed after he engages in flirtation an assault, and I don't find behavior performed in bushes, "public" or even that offensive. Leave them alone, I say, until it becomes flagrantly illegal behavior.
Sep 3, 2008 at 4:40 p.m.
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What really bothers me is the fact that the Gazette even published this story. It's just one more ridiculous thing for people in Janesville to talk about. Am I the only one who is ashamed to be living in a city that not only has this type of stuff go on, but whose newspaper publishes it for all to read about? Yes, this stuff sells papers, and people should be wary of taking kids to parks (which in itself is very sad), but to publish an entire article, with details like, "A neighbor for nine years, Chase said he saw men engaged in sex on a park trail two years ago," is unnecessary. Is there really nothing more important to print than this crap? Yes, this type of thing happens everywhere, but the article could have been written in a much more tactful manner.
Sep 3, 2008 at 4:25 p.m.
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where is this park? creeps coming from out of state great!!
Sep 3, 2008 at 4:24 p.m.
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mrsjoe- funny i have that one saved in my email- spider!!
Sep 3, 2008 at 3:44 p.m.
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this article said,
"We’re not targeting these people for their sexual preference...” and "If two people—male or female—met at the park and decided to have sex some other, private place, that’s their prerogative and a not law enforcement issue."
fair enough -- but it's not heterosexuals exhibiting this behavior.
two guys willing to have sex behind a tree is specifically homosexual behavior.
i have tried to take my wife, daughter and dogs to hike this park. you really have no idea what the heck you might see. And as a man, God forbid trying to eat your lunch alone in a park nowadays.
I resent some pervert continually driving past trying to get my attention.
once, five different cars -- all with one guy in each (one with texas plates) were all parked at different ends of the carver parking lot (apparently all awaiting our departure before they made their moves). we hiked it anyway and called the cops from my cell.
this park is a gem.
and kudos to the folks trying to reclaim it.
political correctness be damned.
whether they are trolling the road behind monterey stadium, riverside, or carver, these guys are perverts and deserve far greater than misdemeanor charges.
Sep 3, 2008 at 3:36 p.m.
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They should go to Starin Park in Whitewater. There are college students hooking up there all the time.
Sep 3, 2008 at 2:48 p.m.
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Wow. So it's ok for these guys to troll for sex in public parks? How's about we list your address on these websites so they can hook up in your back yard? You don't seem to mind it. And it will keep our parks free of it. So we all win!
Sep 3, 2008 at 2:44 p.m.
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bigirl-that must be your screen name when you are on line picking up new people to meet at the park. This must really be cutting into your activities out there. If not, I can't believe you really think it is ok for people to have open sex in the bushes and restroom of a public park. Why should anyone wanting to lawfully use the park be subject to this perversion?
Sep 3, 2008 at 2:31 p.m.
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This is creepy reading. All the pop-psychology and homophobia by the police is especially disturbing. I fear for the safety of the perps, who have to deal with guys with such obvious issues. Leave 'em alone and save us all some money. As long as their public sex is in the bushes, it's bothering no one.
Sep 3, 2008 at 11:22 a.m.
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Happy Hollow Park has the same reputation as Carvers Rock, even the city parks like Riverside and Traxler are not immune to this behavior.Sign of the times? There's a pervert of some sort everywhere.
Sep 3, 2008 at 9:43 a.m.
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Anyone else feel like they needed to take a shower after reading this?
warm- Thanks for letting us know about Magnolia Bluff Park. Was thinking of going out there for fall colors next month, but will pass now.
Sep 3, 2008 at 9:09 a.m.
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Woodchuck-obviously you would prefer the company of creepy guys trolling for sex....you sound like your upset because the cops are keeping you from your favorite past time....I'll take the cops doing their job any day over the creeps.
Sep 3, 2008 at 9:04 a.m.
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I thank the police force SO much for doing this. My mom and I love taking our dogs out there, but it has become something we don't do very much because of the people waiting for god knows what. I am in NO way against homosexuals, but I wish they could find a different way to meet.
Sep 3, 2008 at 8:48 a.m.
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Maybe the cops shouldn't have to deal with this. Maybe we need to be more active in cleaning up our parks. I remember watching a documentary years ago about a guy who decided to clean up his own neighborhood with a video camera. His neighborhood was becoming a popular place for prostitutes and their clients to conduct their business in parked cars along the street. If he saw anything suspicious, he would grab his camera, get them on tape, then threaten to call the wife. Sounds like a pretty good idea to me. I'm guessin' it wouldn't take long to get rid of this problem.
Sep 3, 2008 at 8:19 a.m.
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THIS very same thing is happening at Magnolia Bluff in Evansville/Albany.
Sep 3, 2008 at 7:45 a.m.
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To me, armed, camouflaged cops hiding in the woods are a lot more creepy than adults seeking consentual sex. I'll stay out of that park just because of the cops.
Sep 3, 2008 at 7:34 a.m.
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I was down in C_R Park cleaning up some trees after a windstorm a few years ago. It involved several days of chainsaw work, loading and hauling wood. In those days I was there, there were the same 3 vehicles there with guys in them, eyeballing everyone that came into the park. They were trolling for sex. IIRC, I called it in to LEOs. It is compulsive behavior which is illegal, and has all too much potential to become predatory for young victims. Thanks for cleaning up the Park!
All you folks who think this sort of sexual activity is simply your right for freedom of expression etc., and your rights are being trampled on? You might believe this is some sort of a sign that we live a police state because surveillance is being done with tactical gear? Grow up. There's a time and a place for everything, and it's not in the public parks or rest areas along the highways.
Sep 3, 2008 at 7:31 a.m.
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I have nothing against gays, but keep it at home. Carver's Rock is a gorgeous park and my kids keep asking to go back. I won't go without my husband. I took the kids there when he was in Iraq and didn't know what went on there. I wondered about the grizzly looking guy sitting in his mini-van for hours, but thought nothing of it. Know I know. I should have guessed why he was parked right outside of the restroom.
A good way to deter bad behavior is by increased police presence. If you're at the park or anywhere and you see something suspicious, call the police.
Sep 2, 2008 at 11:42 p.m.
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I've been to the park once and never again will it happen. I took my boyfriends two sons and my daughter. The boys had to go to the bathroom. Of course they wanted to go in the mens...so I opened the door asked if anyone was in there and heard no response. I looked just to make sure and there were two men doing things that I never in my life wanted to see. I put the kids in the car and left. Never again will I go there. I don't care how "cleaned up" they get it. Like someone said, there will always be a spot. This park seems to be the best spot for them. It's disgusting that people can't do their sexual business in their own privacy not in a PUBLIC bathroom.
Sep 2, 2008 at 11:16 p.m.
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I remember years ago,i stopped in at monty's bar in Happy hollow,he said what'll you have,i said a penis kalata,he said up the hill,thats where the gay bar was. LOL True story!!! R.I.P. MONTY
Sep 2, 2008 at 11:12 p.m.
Sep 2, 2008 at 11:07 p.m.
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I must be getting old ... I remember hearing about this type of behavior in this very same park back in the late 1960s. Either the activity never left the park or it made a full circle back to its original spot. If I understand this article correctly, then young lovers (listen up, teen-agers!) will also be ticketed if seen having relations in a parked car. Is that correct?
Sep 2, 2008 at 10:30 p.m.
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Ok......I just discovered what a cheap b-tard I am because what stood out in this article for me was the fact that all off this was conducted on OVERTIME. Kind of a long article which makes me wonder about who's crotch was being grabbed during the writing .....harumphhhhhhh
Sep 2, 2008 at 10:24 p.m.
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"Park decoy patrol designed as deterrent". I think a "Friends of Carver-Roehl Park" softball team in which every player is required to bring a bat to the game would be more of a deterrent and wouldn't cost a dime.
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Sep 2, 2008 at 6:37 p.m.
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This park is, and always has been, a beautiful park. Several hiking trails that one can use in the summer and then XC Ski or snow shoe in the winter. A babbling brook that one can stop next to and relax or stand on one of the many bridges and watch. I especially love it after a fresh snowfall in the early spring with all the birds chirping. That one big hill on the east side always makes me fall though... I don't mind the cops being there at all I have nothing to hide and do nothing wrong in there, unless enjoying the peace and quiet and nature is wrong...
Sep 2, 2008 at 5:18 p.m.
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"The decoys engage the men in coy conversation."
Sep 2, 2008 at 5:18 p.m.
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"America has a huge sexual dysfunction and is one of the most uptight in the developed world...loosen up."
America is sexually dysfunctional because we want our parks free from sexual activity? We should just loosen up? Seriously? I don't care if it's heterosexuals or homosexuals...GET A ROOM. How difficult is that?
"I think we should have higher priorities for law-enforcement officers than busting gay dudes trying to hook up with other gay dudes..."
They're not meeting here to hook up elsewhere. They're grown men aggressively seeking anonymous sex in a PUBLIC park. They sound more like sexual predators to me. What do you suggest we do about it? Ignore it and leave the parks and waysides to them?
Sep 2, 2008 at 5:01 p.m.
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SORRY DAVE; BUT Y-M-C-AAAAAAAAAA, just hadda! Jungle Love!
Sep 2, 2008 at 4:08 p.m.
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See, what Janesville really needs is a Gay Bar. Forget Sreemin Meemees.... How about Sreemin HeShes..... LOL Madison is too far for most to travel to find others with the same interest.....come on open a gay bar.....
Sep 2, 2008 at 3:41 p.m.
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The problem is it just ends up driving that same activity elsewhere, so it ends up being a never ending loop. People will never stop their sexual activity and will always find a way to scratch that itch. There will be another park, or wayside, or alleyway, always. I understand the need to keep certain activities from the eyes and ears of children, however does it ever end? No.
America has a huge sexual dysfunction and is one of the most uptight in the developed world...loosen up. We force our preteens into adult clothes with adult ideas and don't give them the tools to make smart decisions eventually giving way to adult issues.
Sep 2, 2008 at 2:09 p.m.
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I'm not sure how successful this patrol really is, but I don't have anything against it if they follow proper protocols to avoid entrapment (i.e. urging someone to do something they otherwise might not). It is a public park and should be kept safe for families. That said, the deputies seem to have the right idea, that this is more of a nuisance issue than a real threat (i.e. it's mostly adult men looking for other like-minded adult men).
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When I lived in Chicago I encountered this problem from both ways as a single male visiting a forest preserve for hiking or mountain biking or even just photography. I was approached by males obviously looking for a hook-up, and I was shadowed by cop cars. It's very frustrating and the opposite of relaxing, which is the whole point of having a place like that to begin with.
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Ultimately urban planners understand that public spaces like this need foot traffic to be safe. The more people in the park, the fewer problem individuals (whether it be sex, drugs, or who knows) will come visit. The county and perhaps the friends of the park should consider the design of the park's public areas with regard to sightlines and pathways.
Sep 2, 2008 at 1:01 p.m.
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Many of you on here need to get a life! A lot of people go to this park for family enjoyment. There is nothing worse than being on a walk on the trails and having creepy men/women popping out of the woods to see if you are willng to "play" ...with a kid in tow. The point of the police is to preserve the park, it's new playground, and the families safety. Bring on the camo I say!
Sep 2, 2008 at 12:52 p.m.
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I can't believe some of your commments. A total lack of reason. You don't want cops at the park (responding to something which they had to respond), but you wouldn't care if there was sexual stuff (and who knows what else)?! You must not be a parent then either, I wouldn't want my kids going there with or without me, if police weren't detering this activity.
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People ALWAYS make the negative comments about the police: "following them", running radar, busting dopers etc. Well, if your prioroties were straight, you wouldn't have to be concerned about it then would you?
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These police officers can continue there tasks, and I am grateful they are working to clear out this kind of crap, which is occurring in places where good people should be able to go to be free from it.
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Keep up the good work, despite a few idiots who oppose it.
Sep 2, 2008 at 12:48 p.m.
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Does anyone know of a park where lipstick lesbians meet?
Sep 2, 2008 at 12:36 p.m.
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And to think I never heard of this park.....I have been missing out on a lot of fun I guess. I have nothing against gays, but why do they always go to the extreme?? There is nothing wrong with meeting somewhere to find others interested in the same thing, but goodness, can't you find somewhere discreet to have sex?? I am sure you wouldn't want to walk up upon a man and a WOMAN having sex...
Sep 2, 2008 at 12:02 p.m.
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Calling all car's calling all car's police in woods watch out if you go in the woods,MOTHER NATURE has a new name RCSD.
Sep 2, 2008 at 11:59 a.m.
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What the statement was correct no bad words it told the facts handcuffs,police in the woods, ????????????????
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Sep 2, 2008 at 10:31 a.m.
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Hate to say it DAVE,BUT you DO look like someone looking to hook up.
Sep 2, 2008 at 10:27 a.m.
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I would rather have police hiding in camo around the park then run the risk of me and my children walking up on 2 people having sex at the park. I don't care if it is 2 men, 2 women or a man and a woman, it is not the kind of nature I go to the park to see.
Sep 2, 2008 at 10:20 a.m.
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I think we should have higher priorities for law-enforcement officers than busting gay dudes trying to hook up with other gay dudes...
Sep 2, 2008 at 10:17 a.m.
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I don't think it's police in camouflage outfits that have been keeping the majority of people away from this park.
Sep 2, 2008 at 10:05 a.m.
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I think I'll start hanging out at Carver's Rock to see what the cops are up to. Hiding out in camouflage outfits? Who would want to go to any park knowing they're being actively watched by police who could pop out of the woods at any moment for any reason? How many people like being followed by a squad car in town? I don't go to Rotary Gardens, either, because I don't think parks are any place for cameras. I'd like to hear from people who don't share the same view.
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