Behavior ruins fun for kids
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Kyle Geissler talks with Janesville Gazette reporter Frank Schultz about how parents can avoid ugly scenes on the sidelines of their kid's sporting event.
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JANESVILLE They scream obscenities at the referees.
They criticize their own kids’ performance.
They threaten the coaches.
There’s even been some minor violence.
Unruly parent conduct at sporting events happens everywhere, including at games for grade school kids.
It comes from a minority of parents, but when it crops up, it poisons youth sports, say local coaches and referees.
Janesville youth hockey and lacrosse parent Margery Tibbetts recalled an incident a few years ago, when parents verbally abused the coach at the rink, pushed him in the parking lot, and then chased the coach with a car.
“Mainly it’s verbal, either criticizing the kids or the coaches or the other parents,” said Tibbetts, who sits on the board of the Janesville Lacrosse Club.
Babe Ruth coach Tom Davey remembers a parent who got drunk and unruly, embarrassing his 17-year-old son.
“He had to go into the stands and tell his father to leave. Now that’s a horror story.”
Coaches and referees say a change has come over parents since the 1960s, when kids organized their own sandlot or pickup games and parents stayed home, to today’s organized leagues for even the youngest children.
Ironically, more organization has meant more parents behaving badly.
“As society has gotten more uncivilized in general, I think we see that in the conduct of fans and parents,” said Jack Hoag of Janesville, who has coached basketball, football and baseball at several age levels.
“I just think sometimes people don’t take a step back and check themselves and think about what we are doing and why we’re there,” Hoag said.
Most coaches and officials interviewed for this article think things are getting better, although it’s still a problem.
“I think it was worse, in my observation, probably four or five years ago than it is now, because I think the clubs and all the associations are taking a harder line on it,” Tibbetts said.
“Sometimes I think parents expect too much of their kids,” said Tom Bier, who has seen a change for the worse since he began officiating youth games as a senior at Craig High School in 1969.
Parents expect too much and put too much pressure on their children too early, Bier said.
“I can see on the kids’ faces that it’s not fun,” Bier said.
Parents’ tacky behavior is commonly aimed at three targets: coaches, officials and the kids.
Attacking the coaches
Hoag said he’s seen parents trying to micro-manage coaches’ decisions, right down to the batting order. Or, they try to undermine the coach by complaining to the high school principal.
Davey doesn’t mind the occasional parental outburst, if it’s not over the top and if the parent gets over it and sits down right away. But nonstop harassing of coaches or umpires is not OK.
“The child doesn’t want to hear the parent screaming out loud for the whole game in a negative way,” Davey said.
“I understand where they’re coming from,” Davey said. “They want their son or daughter to have the same chance as anyone else to be successful.”
“Part of it is that parents have so much influence in the hiring and firing of coaches at the high school level, and if things don’t go well for their son or daughter, they start raising hell about it,” Bier said. “I think that’s a shame.”
Yelling at officials
“I used to be a guy who yelled at officials a lot,” said Kevin Porter, athletics director for the Janesville School District.
Then someone challenged Porter: “If you think you can do a better job, why don’t you get an official’s license?”
So he did.
“I don’t think people understand how hard it is to be an official,” Porter said. “You’re not going to see everything. There are things you’re just going to miss.”
The younger the kids, the harder it can be, because younger players are just learning the game, and that makes them unpredictable, Porter said.
While the Janesville School District has no guidelines for parent behavior, foul language should not be tolerated, Porter said: “They get one warning as far as I’m concerned,” and then they’re out of the gym.
Chris Nicholson, an official and commissioner of the Rock Valley Conference, said his worst experience was at a baseball playoff game. A father objected to a call and followed the umpires out to the car after the game, shoving one ump before Nicholson intervened.
The man later was arrested.
Nicholson said it bothers him that anyone would think he would favor one team over another.
“I don’t know any sports official who would intentionally make a bad call to blow the game for anybody,” Nicholson said. “… I’m up there to do my best and try to enforce the rules as fairly and equitably as possible.”
Dan Rankin, who has officiated at volleyball and basketball for more than 20 years, said it’s getting worse.
“Everybody wants their kid to be the Michael Jordan or Mistie Bass, and they’re not, and they just can’t accept that fact,” Rankin said.
“Cut ’em some slack, and the calls tend to even out,” Bier said. “… Officials make mistakes at all levels, and nobody feels worse when they make a mistake than an official.”
Hammering the kids
“I think parents are harder on their kids for their performance on the field than I’ve ever seen,” Davey said.
More parents send their children to sports camps, and that might be driving the high expectations, Davey said, but the best thing a parent can do is to be positive, especially when the kid’s in a slump.
“A lot of parents are living through their kids or have their kid in sports with the expectation that they’ll get a scholarship,” Tibbetts said. “… They’ve taken the fun out of it and expect perfection at every move,” even of 6-year-olds.
If a child is a standout at age 9, that’s no guarantee of success later, Bier said.
“By the time they get to high school, they may not be playing that sport anymore,” Bier said.
Solutions
“Shut up and let ’em play” was the blunt advice from several coaches and refs.
“If a parent can’t come to have good time and cheer their son or daughter on, stay home,” Nicholson said.
“If a kid makes three errors out there and strikes out three times, the sun’s still going to rise tomorrow,” Davey said.
More important than performance on the field is high expectations for your son or daughter’s conduct, Davey added.
Think about what’s important: “It’s about the experience that their son or daughter is experiencing—the leadership skills, developing teamwork, sportsmanship, becoming a positive role model, enjoying those experiences—because unfortunately not everyone can be on a winning team all the time,” Nicholson said.
Tibbetts said it might help if parents and kids are educated early, at the youngest ages in the club leagues.
Janesville Youth Hockey has altered its philosophy, stressing the value of learning the game and having fun, and de-emphasizing winning and playing lots of games, Tibbetts said.
“And I think the kids play better and have fun,” Tibbetts said. “I think maybe that’s had some positive impact.”
But it’s natural to get upset when one’s child is in the middle of an intense competition. Over the years, backers of some local teams have found a way to police themselves: Tootsie pops.
Some passed them out at the beginning of the game as a reminder. In youth hockey, Tibbetts said parents would pass one to anyone who got too mouthy.
“It was a fun way to quash it. It all became good fun,” she said.
In the end, it should be about the kids’ character, not their statistics, several coaches and refs said.
“And when you go to the game, just sit and enjoy the game and be glad they’re out there participating,” Bier said. “And at the end of the game tell them, ‘Boy, you played great.’”
Sports-parenting expert says take a seat
Leave the coach alone. You have no business questioning lineups or any other game decisions.
You’re a parent. Sit down, enjoy the game and support your child. That’s your role.
That’s the word from Dan Doyle, executive director of the Institute for International Sport at the University of Rhode Island. Doyle is co-author of the recently released “Encyclopedia of Sports Parenting.”
Doyle said it’s great that parents have become more involved with their kids’ activities. Contrast that with the late 1950s and early 1960s, when Doyle was a sandlot kid. Then, it was rare for a parent to show up at a game.
But parental support has warped into something ugly.
Kids need to learn to deal with success and with disappointment, Doyle said, and they won’t learn it if a parent complains to the coach every time Junior gets benched.
“It in effect robs kids of the chance to grow and to take that journey to self reliance,” he said.
Some parents might have visions of a college scholarship or Olympic berth. But what are the chances?
Doyle said a recent study found 382,000 children registered in youth basketball leagues, but by their senior years in high school, only 81,000 were playing varsity ball.
Of that group, 1,100 ended up with a Division I scholarship.
Nevertheless, parents with visions of glory push coaches and berate referees.
“It is an unfortunate part of contemporary parental culture, but I think I see change,” Doyle said.
Doyle, who has spoken at numerous campuses for the NCAA, said some of that change is coming from coaches, who are more willing to resist parental pressure.
“Dad or Mom needs to take on the role of Counselor of Wisdom, to counsel the child to deal with problems. Picking up the phone and screaming at the coach is not a noble thing to do,” Doyle said.
It’s natural to feel those protective parental impulses when your child is on the field competing, Doyle acknowledged. “But you have an obligation to have some dignity and self control.”
Cheer. Be respectful. Recognize the human frailties of everyone, including coaches, refs and kids, Doyle advises.
“You can cheer as loud as you want, but don’t be swearing or yelling. It’s not right.”
PARENT RULES
Youth sports groups have started adopting rules for parents such as these from the Janesville Lacrosse Club:
-- I will be a positive role model for my child. I will encourage good sportsmanship by showing respect and courtesy and by demonstrating positive support for all players, coaches, officials and spectators at every game, practice or other sporting event.
-- I will not engage in any kind of unsportsmanlike conduct with any official, coach, player or parent such as booing and taunting, refusing to shake hands, or using foul language or gestures.
-- I will not encourage any behaviors or practices that would endanger the health and well being of the athletes.
-- I will teach my child to play by the rules and resolve conflicts without resorting to hostility, violence or unsportsmanlike conduct.
-- I will demand that my child treat other players, coaches, officials and spectators with respect regardless of race, creed, color, sex or ability.
-- I will praise my child for competing fairly and trying hard, and make my child feel like a winner every time.
-- I will never ridicule or yell at my child or other participants for making a mistake or losing a competition.
-- I will emphasize skill development and practices, and how they benefit my child over winning.
-- I will respect the officials and coaches and their authority during games. I will never question, discuss or confront coaches or officials at the game field and will take time to speak with coaches at an agreed upon time and place.
-- I will refrain from coaching my child and other players during the games and practices.
-- I agree not to criticize my child’s teammates at any time or talk negatively about his teammates with him or others.
-- I will provide positive support and encouragement for my player participating in the Janesville Lacrosse Club program and emphasize the importance of achieving common goals through teamwork.
-- I understand that the coaches try to be as fair as possible. I will support their team placement decisions to my player and other parents.
-- I will be a respectful fan and encourage good sportsmanship by demonstrating positive support for all players, coaches, parents and officials at every practice, game or other Janesville Lacrosse Club event.
Aug 17, 2008 at 8:32 p.m.
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i agree w/justsome1here about the entire "live, eat breath" the sport. I loved playing basketball, I played since 3rd grade and played all through High School. But when it comes down to my summer break, and I'm being told that if I miss a game because of going on a family vacation- I think that's where it drew the line for me. It took the fun out of the sport. I would be at a summer bball camp Sun-Thurs. Come home, go back up to Milwaukee for that Thurs. night game. Have a Friday off, but have to be at a tournament in some other town at 8am.And that was every week liket that through my summer! So I had no life. It's understandable that it would take up some of my personal time, but when I have no life whatsoever.... it kind of takes the passion away.
Aug 16, 2008 at 1:44 p.m.
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Unfortunately, today's culture has been conditioned to love a winner and not pay much attention to the loser. It is not just enough to tell your child to do the best you can and have fun doing it. Coaches expect children (no matter how young) to "live, eat, breath" whatever sport they choose to particpate in. Mainly because winning coaches keep their jobs. Unfortunately, parents buy into this mentality. I have seen coaches belittle young children in front of their parents and sadly, the parents feel that this is acceptable behavior because they feel it benefits the child. No one participating on any team, whether it be at the elementary, middle school or high school level should be made to feel like a failure if they do not win. Remember, we lead by example.
Aug 16, 2008 at 11:47 a.m.
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that is pretty bad when you have to have a meeting for THE PARENTS on proper behavier!! they should be Fans NOT fanitics. enjoy the game and just have fun and be happy your kid is envolved and happy playing and hopefully staying out of other trouble!!! and also be happy their are adults some working for free teaching your kids sports and taking the time with them.
truth1- the article said one guy was arrested. maybe more should be.
Aug 16, 2008 at 11:01 a.m.
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Children are a product of their enviroment. Most of the time that means parents, though an overzealous coach can cause the same behavior problems. I am fortunate to be very active in athletics in Beloit. I coach at the elementary school I work at, assist in the fall and spring at the HS and coach a Junior Legion team in the summer. The things I encounter never cease to amaze me. Parents upset with playing time or living vicariously through their youngsters remains my biggest problem.
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Chris Nicholson and Tom Bier are class act guys. We are fortunate to have such good officials in our area. I wouldn't change places with them for a minute. It is never easy to make a call when you know 50% of the people are going to be angry. Keep it up guys!
Aug 16, 2008 at 8:18 a.m.
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I played basketball at Craig and there were times when parents in the stands would yell at refs (including my parents and me on the bench/floor), sometimes it's just getting caught in the moment of the game. It's understandable that we get into the game and yell at anyone, whether it be our own team, the refs or the coach, but when it comes to attacking a ref in a parking lot- that's ridiculous!
Aug 15, 2008 at 10:36 p.m.
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Beloitguy, you are right. There are no easy answers. So we must earn the positive changes a little at a time if neccessary. True too, that kids (and parents) are exposed to the ultra extreme side of sports, and it affects their reasonings.
Aug 15, 2008 at 10:34 p.m.
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BR549, I think the mother in the photo looks very intent, as though she really believes in what is being discussed. Cameras always catch us at our best-right? But it's funny she does look mad. But we can't assume.
Aug 15, 2008 at 10:31 p.m.
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There is equal blame to go around -- from coaches to parents and to players, especially as they get older. Kids have seen too much Sports Center. The world we live in is changing and I really don't think there are any easy answers to solving this growing problem.
Aug 15, 2008 at 10:31 p.m.
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Can we agree that it is a good thing that this is being brought up in an outlined community forum (newspaper/ meeting with the parents etc.)
It really is a big subject. To the Orfordville resident, I understand your concern, and I have been at-at least one game the past basketball season. Behavior you described is unaccepatable.
Regarding behavior...parents are the 'teachers' of the children. Proper attitude, ethic, and general behavior, is what we keep loosing value of. Where do you think the kids get their behavior. Imagine, some of that kind of behavior happening back in the 1950's! It would be the talk of the town for months. We are allowing ourselves to become too unsensitive.
I was glad to see this article in the gazette. I also thought it was professional and appropriate to involve the parent aspect, such as "parent rules". I hope it helps. Sports are supposed to be competitive, but not a free for all, Jerry Springer event. Kudos to those involved in this, for pointing out what is really important. Besides, sports can be hard enough on the average kid.
Aug 15, 2008 at 10:11 p.m.
Aug 15, 2008 at 9:19 p.m.
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NICE!
Aug 15, 2008 at 9:16 p.m.
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I live in Orfordville and they need to start removing the parents and or kids from the games so the other people can enjoy the game. Example 2 years ago a parent threw a empty pop bottle on the basketball court after the refs called a foul on Orfordville. The Supt. at that time new who it was and nothing was done. The kids have no respect for the cheerleaders and the staff does nothing. They have hall monitors and they are a waste of time and money. I hope the staff does a lot of improvement this year so I can enjoy the game. I hope they will start showing the bad people the door and don't let it hit them in the rear on the way out. This goes for the parents and or kids. When they show them the door, don't let them back in. There were times last year that I almost left the game because of the behavior of the parents and kids. I hope the staff reads this and does something about it.
Aug 15, 2008 at 9:04 p.m.
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Kids have to learn life is not fair and disappointment, but then again their parents seem too as well...peace.
Aug 15, 2008 at 7:42 p.m.
Aug 15, 2008 at 6:52 p.m.
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My child has played in everything from mighty mights with the Y, Little League, JYF, middle and high school sports and by far the the classiest team he has played for is the Janesville Lacrosse Club, I believe it all comes from the coaching. Parents and players take their cues from the coaches on just how far they can go. There are exceptions to every rule but this is how I feel.
Aug 15, 2008 at 5:49 p.m.
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Coaches should be required to sign and follow a code of conduct as well. There are just as many coaches that are "over the top" as there are parents.
Aug 15, 2008 at 4:50 p.m.
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Whoever wrote the article doesn't know anything about Craig Athletics... Jack Hoag is the last person that should be contacted concerning these problems...
Aug 15, 2008 at 4:15 p.m.
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Interesting and thorough job on this always timely subject. As a kid, I was a competitive swimmer and was blessed with setting several state records. However, my best effort could always be improved on according to my dad. And he let me know this after every event I swam at the meets he attended. I actually banned him from attending any of my meets after I was about 11. I feel badly about my actions now (and loved my dad dearly) but also am grateful that he never blasted my coaches.
Aug 15, 2008 at 3:33 p.m.
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Kids no longer know how to organize games, they have to have them organized, by adults. Gone are the neighborhood against neighborhood ball games, kick the can and such. The sad part is, neighborhod sports, were common for most of these parents.
Aug 15, 2008 at 2:29 p.m.
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It is absolutely heartbreaking to hear a kid say they are soo embarassed when a parent gets out of line. I have experienced it at baseball, after a great game instead of congratulating the kids, or coaches, parents are waiting outside the dugout to raise heck because their little pumpkin didnt play the right position, or didnt get to play enough all together. Parents, you are not doing your kids any favors by trying to bully the coaches into doing what YOU want them to. Let your kids EARN the position they are suited for, if they arent cutting it,and they get benched, or moved to another position, let them experience some disapointment, ITS GOOD FOR THEM!!! god forbid they learn some life lessons along the way.
Aug 15, 2008 at 2:15 p.m.
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This is why the kids should quit organized sports, gather themselves together with their equipment, and go off to play by themselves like we used to. You get the adults involved and the whole thing just becomes awful. :-)
Aug 15, 2008 at 2:13 p.m.
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Northman, you have a good idea, except I don't think the kid should have to pay for the parent's behavior (provided it would reach that far). The child may end up resenting their parent for the rest of their life if sports teams should take your idea into consideration. Instead of the child getting the boot, it should be the offending parent.
Aug 15, 2008 at 1:38 p.m.
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Maybe it’s time to have parents post a “good behaviour bond” when they register their kid for a sport. You pay, say $250, which is put into a special fund. If you get to the end of the season with no problems, you get your money back. If you misbehave, you’re fined $100 the first time, $150 the second, and your kid is thrown out the third. People will go right on being rude and ignorant, until it hits them in the pocketbook. Then they smarten up fast.
Aug 15, 2008 at 10:57 a.m.
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I think that it is also important to remember that these coaches are volunteers and truly care about todays youth. I feel very strongly about the great job that these people do in organizing and teaching our children the basics of this fine sport. Thank you coaches for such a job well done.
Aug 15, 2008 at 10:47 a.m.
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I find it funny the dads yelling "put the ball in the hoop" at the top of their lungs,....as if the B-ball players didnt know what the objective of the game was...lol.
Aug 15, 2008 at 10:36 a.m.
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When a child participates in a school sponsored or a private athletic league a code of conduct should accompany the registration. Participation in the code of conduct is not optional. Failure to comply (by the parents or guardians) should result in ejection (of the parents or guardian) from that event-for the season.
It really is this simple. Its one thing to be supportive its another thing to be abusive. Children learn this type of behavior. When a parent or guardian acts like a jerk what are the chances that child will grow up to act in a similar manner?
Aug 15, 2008 at 10:35 a.m.
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Having 3 kids that excel at most sports is great! I am the parent that speaks up to the father, mother, grandparent that is being rude. I have challenged a few to get out there and ref or ump. Most of the time it does shut them up. I have been at high school baseball games with awful, awful parents. One father sat right up to the fence and yelled every time our pitcher was just getting over the top and about to pitch the ball. Another time a mother got up to the fence and began yelling/swearing about a poor call. I was completely embarrassed for her/myself/and the team.
I always tell my kids to try hard, but most of have fun. If you don't have fun then there is no point to the game. Lose - it's no one single persons fault, it takes at least 9 kids on the field to play a baseball game. No one kid can be the entire team. Win - GREAT! Make sure to let the other kids know how much you appreciate their teamwork.
Aug 15, 2008 at 10:10 a.m.
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Too bad a few jerks have to spoil things for everyone else.
Aug 15, 2008 at 9:59 a.m.
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SO, why aren't they charged with disorderly conduct?????????????????
Other people are for similar things .......
Aug 15, 2008 at 9:15 a.m.
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This article is great and hopefully parents will take it to heart! Everyone wants their kid to be good at whatever they participate in, but you need to keep things in perspective. A couple of years ago at Parker, administration had to hire a staff "chaperone" to sit near a basketball dad that was way over the top. That dad should not have been allowed in the gym if he needed a private babysitter.
Aug 15, 2008 at 9:12 a.m.
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really not a whole lot different then other sports and minor and high paid pro sports,maybe this is why the nfl is cracking down
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