GM to return to full production, for a while

My best friend is skilled trades at GM. I work for a utility company. I make 54 cents an hour more than him. (I only reference that to try and prevent the "you work at kwik trip" comments) I have a college education, but not the temperment for corporate politics, thus the blue collar career. He and his plant friends act like the center of the universe in Janesville. My father-in-law retired from GM 3 years ago. And he and his friends are true, work hard everyday, reap what you sow, stand-up kind of guys. The bad rap for some plant guys mostly comes from the younger employees, 40 and younger. They are the ones with the "Look at my house, I want a new 09'" mentality that causes the animosity between them and some in the community. The older guys seem to be the ones who "get it" I feel true compassion for anyone faced with losing their means of supporting their family, and wouldn't wish it on anyone. I truly wish you all the best.

2010 seems to be the deadline for a turnaround.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic...

the rumor I heard today was the plant was closing for good by 2010. Don't know how much faith to put in this but if came from the same person who told me the second shift was going the day before it was announced.

I guess maybe a while back when Woody said there is a grim outlook for the plant here, he may have not been kidding. We will see what happens tomorrow!

Hey all of you Gm workers that decided to take the retirement. After finally getting the first pension check that was for 3 months because they were so slow, it was post dated by 10 days so the credit union will not take it until 10 days from now. Wow, what a trick to pull I would say. Be sure to read your check carefully as they may do that to you too.

GM will announce their "new" restructuring plan 6/3, the same day that the (crappy) may sales figures will come out.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ttac-ca...

Seabee--in the auto industry direct labor is not the most expensive part of the vehicle (not in gm's case anyway). Direct labor only accounts for approximately 17% of the price of the vehicle depending on the model. The most expensive part of the vehicle is purchased parts; bolts, screws, glass, etc. So your math doesn't add up. When Gm looks to cut the cost of the vehicle they go after the parts supplier not the labor cost.

I hope the news is good on Tuesday for GM-Janesville.... I talked to someone and he feels the announcemnet will be that the plant is closing or will go idle...That was his gut feeling... :(

i am a uaw worker

i am human.

jackson1 Do you work 3rd shift at Walmart ?

I sure hope GM can get it's act together and pull through this. We need GM here in Rock County.

Hugh-Jass: You hit more nails on the head than you realize-all except the troll part-trolls leave bait-not take it like I do-just ask Zoom. I guess I’m afraid if the bait sits around too long it’ll start to stink-just like the real trolls who do leave it.
Writing posts all day? Well considering I read GazettExtra and other news nearly every day, and have been registered here (enabling me to post) for 5 months, that makes it an average of just over 1 post a day. More than many-less than many-not a record in any case-but have it your way. And you’re right-and I’ve said it myself-they are at least novella length. But if I speak ill of people, it’s to, or about, people who, in a troll-like fashion, speak ill of people just because....well, I assume you’ve done your reading and know their “reasons”. Check it out. <-----look-my first “short” story!
Hey forget the short story-if you think “discussing” with the likes of jackson1, for example, is debate-and my posts are trolling-then I hafta think you’re pulling my leg.

"seabee" i guess you know where you can stick you math comment ! my husband works for a nonprofit company. so once again your WRONG. he still works there because the layoff isn't for another 2 months.

Someone, somewhere in this list, mentioned it's not all about GM. They are absolutely right; Everyone in this community will be effected in ways they may not be aware of. It's called a tax base. The greater Local 95 who send parts to, and/or build the vehicles in the Unit 1 facility, amounts to around how many people? 8000? Eliminate 8000 jobs in the income ranges of $15-$35 an hour and calculate the losses of income for tax revenues; County, State, and Fed money that won't come back to us. It is well into the Billions every year. The disposable income of these people has been estimated at around $2 billion annually, which translates into a sales tax loss. So, if you're all too happy to see these jobs leave the area? Fine, but the government has to make up those lost tax dollars somewhere and they're looking to your money now, to get it.

insameboat-thank you for your support and i do feel for all of you that will be hit hard because of this.
DDoright-thanks for the info & staying on topic

Well it does seems more things are in the works. Doing a search of GM news: more cuts are coming but they are not saying anything beyond that. No who, what, where etc... Flint is accelerating it's plans, so it's probable they will do the same here. I wouldn't expect us to work "for awhile" let alone thru the end of June. Days on hand are as follows per our paperwork handed out yesterday: Tahoe-150 days, Suburban-184 days, and here's the killer, Yukon/Yukon XL-201. 60 days is optimal. Lots are full of 07's and 08's and they are slated to begin building 09's soon. Way too much inventory to continue to build these. Oh yeah it's going to get worse, much worse. On a side note, rumor has it, and this will kill all the haters, is that they are looking to bring in a car here. But that is rumor and if you work there you know how the rumor mill loves to churn and to take it all with a grain of salt. What happens, happens. There is nothing any of us can do about it but keep going until they tell us not to. But take pride in what you have done here. Everything the company has ever asked us to do we have done and in most cases bettered what they have asked of us. Look at all the awards, JD Power year after year, and all the others. This is one of the best producing and is the most profitable plant they have.

not everything is about gm.there are others out there(like me)that are being affected by the layoffs.I feel sorry for them as much as I do for everyone else that is affected by all of this.I see every day how hard they work and I have to say alot of them do work hard.I deliver parts down there,so I see all of this.so I think before anyone can put them down maybe just maybe,they should see what they do.this layoff is going to be hard on everyone.but I dont blame the employees at gm.I blame gm corperate office,they are the ones that want the million dollar bonus,and the big pay raises.so when they do all that who are the ones to suffer.the workers and there suppliers.another person to blame is our goverment for letting our econamy get this bad,starting with the gas prices.so if anyone has the need to complain about what is going on,then complain to them or blame them dont blame the workers.

Diamondback:

I have worked on the line for GM and have also worked in the corporate headquarters of another auto industry company. Now, I also have a business degree and follow my old companies very closely. I can see many of the restraints that GM has compared to Toyota. For instance, many know that the auto industry relies heavily on Research and Development. That R&D takes a boat load of cash. With the companies like Toyota paying their employees less than GM and not having to pay retirement benefits after their employees retire, they are at a huge advantage. Because of this, their Profit margins are higher and Toyota can sink more money into R&D. There are many more variables obviously, but it seems I have already written a small novel in this post so I will not name the others. Believe me, I have a long list of things I believe Rick Wagoner is doing wrong up there in Detroit. I don’t know if the Gazette has enough server space to hold that list either ;-)

justsaynotomath, do the math. Labor is the #1 expense in most companies. If you are not making money and need to make some cuts, well, do the math.

optimism needs to change his name to pessimism.

Hey all you GM workers - thanks for all that you have done to promote our town and provide for us all. Those who are staying - best wishes and keep up the good work. Those who are leaving, best wishes on your new endeavors and a pat on the back for your efforts here in Janesville. You have all served our city well.

Wow. I'm not on anyone's side. But it would seem this RUSerious guy/girl is one of the biggest "trolls" that he/she likes to put down. They have nothing better to do then write on here all day? Yet, RUSerious has hundreds of comments listed and decides to write a book instead of briefly making his point. I think he made a point, just not the one he intended. I actually like some of these "trolls" comments. Of course, that's because I like debate and differing opinions. Obviously, not everone does.

It's the classic "it won't happen to me" syndrome. Be careful people, it is coming to all, in one way or another. Sad that you are taking a time like this to be so heartless. I pity you on your day of demise....hopefully you aren't treated as terrible as you treat others.

All I have to say GM employees...I am so sorry that the fate of your jobs has become the popular water cooler topic that makes other's feel they are better than you. It is disgusting. I am so sorry, and wish you all WELL.

GM is going to announce more production cuts on Tuesday. To those of you who did not take the buyout. I wish you luck.

cocktail-I really got a good laugh from some of your comments on GM workers !Most GM workers DO understand the economic concepts on supply and demand.What most people need to understand is from the DAY I started here I was told not to expect to be here long this plant is CLOSING.26 years later here I am still working at GM. As far as being uneducated about the auto industry ,I get a education everyday that I work here and know more about cars/trucks then I ever thought I needed to know.You said you bought your first CTS at 24 ?? that must make you about 27 years old ? Have you ever worked in the auto industry or are you just making educated quesses on what really goes on here ? As I said most of us do GET IT ! You just learn not to listen/believe all the rumors that come your way.

So I go on to Wikepedia and type in bottom feeder expecting to see pictures of some of these gloating on the mis-fortunes of others.
NO pictures, but a pretty good description...
"Also, many exhibit what is termed an "inferior" mouth, which means that the mouth is pointed downwards; this is beneficial as their food is often going to be below them in the substrate"

as a matter of fact a contract employee can not "just walk away" without penalty but, nice try. another fact there is a no penalty for the employer for breaking the contract unless we take them to court.i wish my husband could get a buy out like GM employees, that's great ! $450.00 a week for a family of 4 is considered poverty. after 2 decades and unemployment insurance the best we could get is $350.00 a week. we are a family of 5 and $350.00 a week is out of the question when we currently live on 3 times that a week now. we will have to move to another job and that is just the way it is. that is if we can sale our house ? see the problem here is not the workers it's the companies letting go expensive employees for CHEAP ones ! i see rock county having a lot of empty homes, no jobs and high crime in the near future.

Seabee, I distinctly said "be responsibility (ON BOTH SIDES) commensurate with that employment."

Indentured servitude? Employees can walk whenever they feel like it and don't really care what this does to the employer. Sounds to me like a fair reciprocol arrangement.

Diamondback:

I have absolutely no problem with GM workers at all. My comments are only directed at the idiots on this board that post misinformation about GM (corporate) and how the auto industry works. Most of the idiots my comments are aimed at clearly demonstrate their severe lack of understanding rudimentary economic concepts such as “supply and demand.” They also don’t have any understanding of the impact that the global economy has on GM itself. Most of the working population at GM understands that concessions will have to be met to keep GM in business (such no health benefits after retirement). However like in any industry, there are always a couple morons that get on these boards and prove how uneducated they really are about the industry they work in.

And by the way, the CTS was selling fine by the time I bought one. I will agree the first 2 years of the product were very shaky as far as sales are concerned.

;-) opinions-no one ever needs to know.
justsayno: I care. I don't remember the issue or where it was posted-but can be quite certain I wasn't one who expressed any "so what?" type of comment. (not sure who did so I'm not sure who you're pinpointing here), but I can't imagine dedicating 2 decades to any one employer just to have it pulled out from under you all of a sudden. I think any employer who has the ability (business and capital) to retain any employees for that length of time should be morally and legally responsible for making sure the impact is lessened. I hope that happened in your husband's case. For example-as part of the "license" to employ people (on some sort of sliding scale) should be responsibility (on BOTH sides) commensurate with that employment. I don’t mean insuring a lifetime of taking care of their needs (unless agreed to ahead of time as part of an employment package), but something to ease long-term employees into the next phase of their lives if they are let go suddenly and without warning and cause (on the part of the employee). After all, businesses rely on GOOD employees for the success of their businesses. Indentured servitude should no longer be part of our national culture.

so lets see here, a couple months back my husband was getting the shaft by his job of almost 2 decades. i was told by many of you on here to stop whining and get another job. so what's with all the whining on here now ? shouldn't you take your own advice ? can't you just get another job ? i see many user names on here who didn't care at all when it wasn't them. i see the tide has shifted. good luck with getting another job.

RUSerious. I really dont care what you have to say.

private comment for opinionsforfree-you’re getting redundant (email me privately if you need to know what that means). Try commenting about their bad teeth despite dental coverage, or maybe how their children are uneducated even though they have tuition coverage. How about how they couldn’t afford the full price for a GM vehicle without the fantastic employee discounts. I’m surprised you didn’t think of it before. (by the way-it’s “make it THROUGH high school"-not “make it though highschool". Whatever you do, DO NOT give them fodder for claims about your educational background.)

Diamondback-don’t trouble yourself anymore-they’re playing a game. (Kind of like “Truth or Dare for Dummies”.) You can tell even more since their comments from last night-after our troll discussion-that they aren’t real, no one could really be that naive and (especially) jealous to make those wild claims about any one group of people and expect real people to consider them true. Even if these trolls were serious and did believe it, which they don’t, and meant it about rummage sales and that stuff-they couldn’t afford to buy the stuff even for 1/10th of a penny on the dollar-even with the convenience of the payday loan place they claim to want to place for their use next to Zachows-where they were going to wait for the sales to appear. They know anyway that even IF GM closed down, and a couple thousand were out of work-those laid off people will be far better off financially than the likes of them.
I even wondered if jackson1 (and even the others) grew (or finally exposed) a heart and commented so outrageously immediately this morning for the purpose of letting you know they were playing the troll but didn’t want to admit it outright. If that is the case, I want to commend you, jackson1, on your newfound humanity. I’m going to assume it’s true from now on whenever I read those extreme, to the point of comical, comments from the troll wannabes. No one could possibly be that stupid for real. Could they? It is a well known fact that internet trolls are not aggressive in real life-not very outgoing, often live with parents and often cannot hold a job or have many “adult” responsibilities-thus their more brutish persona they adopt for the internet.
Thanks zoom, for the reminders. I think normal minds have a hard time grasping the concept that people would fill their time that way.

Just think. You didn't even have to make it though highschool either.

Ah, four weeks to go and I will be collecting 95% wages, sipping beer and watching the Brewers.

Ill help out. I will buy up some of the toys GMers are going to be selling.

opinionfornothing- See you know nothing about GM either...IF YOU DID you would know that we work 10 hour days. Some people need to find a better hobby or something eles to do with their extra time. I know come on down and HELP with our food baskets and all the other fundraisers we do.

MYYEAR- I'm 59 years old ,have no house payment live in my first and only house.(920 sq.ft.)No toys,credit card debt,I have EARNED everything that I have.I have WORKED 26 years for GM.You won't see me standing in line for anything ,but I WILL be HELPING OTHERS in NEED !! See you there.

Eat all you can now . I will consider giving to the food bank when I see you in line ! Thank you for showing your true colors . I rest my case !

I was thinking beer and sandwiches. Theres nothing like pounding 12 beers then going back to putting a part on a tahoe drunk for 8hrs a day

MYYEAR- Sorry you are a small minded person. You come on here and blast us ,but yet you can't/won't answer any questions or remotely give a intelligent comment. And to think i'm the factory worker !(i'm being sarcastic) As I said make sure you give your FAIR SHARE ,I DO!!! I never give it a second thought!!!Want a ride in my new truck??? I'll even pay for the gas !I was going to take a lunch today but I'll just order in !

GM has provided stable employment, great wages, and health insurance to many hardworking and appreciative employees over the years. The GM employees in my life were able to raise their families, contribute to their communities and look forward to a secure retirement thanks to this job. Perhaps now that has changed. Either way, the GM employee profile I am familiar with, is the family person, strong work ethic and always grateful for a good job. My father was one of them and I know that there is no way I could have done that job for 35 years-keeping in mind that often times need over rides choice. My thoughts are with all of the families facing the loss of a job with GM as well as others connected companies. Peace.

diamondback -------Seabee-Want to buy my 08 SUV?? I want a NEW 09 !!
Pretty much explains it all , doesn't it . Then you wonder why !

I didn't answer for a reason . Maybe you can make some food to feed all the GM employees after they sell their stuff at the pawn shop they should have money to buy a taco or something .

MYYEAR- You never did answer my questions.. That's ok because I know you don't have any answers for them. I will give you that SOME are preparing for what is to come. Go read the story on United Way.... They seen the shortfall in 2006 when 900 plus left GM.I have said that it MAY NOT be the full $100,000.shortfall from GM workers ,but open your eyes/mind and read between the lines in the story about people leaving their jobs.When you lose that many from one employer what do you/others think is going to happen ? I don't expect you or any others to agree with me(after all i'm just a factory worker)but this is SO much bigger/deeper than just GM.By the way my FAIR SHARE is a weeks PAY.... What about YOU ????

oh and a payday loan place

Make sure you have lots of tissues on hand . I have a feeling there will be a big need for them !

I think i am going to open a Pawn shop next to the bar in the GM parking lot

cocktail- Well there's the answer to why you got the rebate in April.The CTS DIDN'T sell at first the way GM thought that it would.I don't watch real close what Toyota and the others offer ,but I can remember some good rebates on those also.Sure is funny how you don't like GM workers....but YOU BUY what WE BUILD !!

Sarah:

You are really astute (sarcasm). You must have nailed it on the head when you said that all the whiners must be from Craig HS. Because the only time Parker HS people complain is when there isn't enough rain for their crops to grow or the price of milk is severely low... Cow Pie High never disappoints to amaze me.

Hey Jackson:

I see you are reusing comments now. "I just am looking forward to the rummage sales as GM workers run out of cash, and need to sell there toys. I want a new boat but do not want to pay full price. I see my neighbor that works at GM just purchased one in the spring" I guess you are not bright enough to come up with new witty things to say. By the way, you won't be able to afford that boat on a Burger King wage.

diamondback:

You are wrong. I was able to own my first brand new CTS at the age of 24 because GM put huge rebates out after suffering their first $1B loss quarter. GM does put out larger incentives to move cars/trucks off the lot when the inventory gets heavy or they suffer large quarter losses. This happens in other months than the normal June inventory time. I bought that CTS in April of that year. In fact, those heavy rebates are one of the causes of such lower residual values on GM cars compared to be Toyotas, Acuras, etc. Can't wait to shop for a new CTS next year. Hopefully the production managers still don't have that whole inventory thing worked out then either.

RUSerious - That was wonderful. Thank you for taking a good look at this. Finally, someone made sense.

I am sick of hearing all the GM bashing. I truly fell for these people. One place no one has said anything about is the Railroad. My husband works there and isn't sure if he will still be here after the cutbacks. He will have the option of transfering but so did the other guys that have already been cut. So guess what they are still spending money but in other areas. Some GM workers will be doing the same if the move and find other jobs the money will go elsewhere also. My famiy used to have a boat, large vehicle, waverunners, a cabin, and plenty of other toys but we didn't work for GM. You can have the toys if you know how to manage your money no mater where you work. We have chose to live a better life for our kids. That is one of the reasons we moved up here but now we might not be able to stay because of GM. Do you know how much money the rail system brings to your area? Bet not and don't you think that will be a big loss if GM were to shut down? Have fun with you bickering back and forth I will focus on my future instead!

Well, after all the comments from all the whiners on this board -- I'm assuming that you must have went to Craig HS and are carrying on it's grand tradition of whining about everything.

RU and the other troll feeders,
Your idea of a troll is still off. They don't post comments because they care about the subject matter. They post comments to get a reaction. Ever notice how jackson posts first and almost never comments again? And people keep feeding into it. One troll comment generates 30 posts. The troll feeders are actually the people bringing the discussions to a halt. Sad.

I thought forsure one of them would complain about having to work the whole month of June yet !

No. I really do think GM workers are overpaid, no skilled cry babies who can drink and do drugs at work. P.S I am not jealous what so ever that I don’t work at "plant". I pity the people that work down there
Hurahh for the local 95 whiners

It boils down to ad revenue. The more arguments that are created on this site, the more eye balls that are here that look at the advertisements. I'm guessing some of the anti GM comments are strategically placed. Its fuel for the fire. I wouldn't be shocked if Gazette staff are stoking the fire from time to time. We're all the just puppets on the way to more profits. However, regardless it's still fun LOL.

You're absolutely 100% correct SarahB. And (whether or not this is what you were referring to) I found myself in the "feeding the trolls" trap-but it certainly was sad when I chose to read the news stories about our area and seeing people over and over again feeling that they have to defend themselves for being part of the subject of a story NOT because they are sex offenders, not because they robbed a bank, not because they ran over someone while driving drunk (ok trolls-place comments here)-but because they make their living at a General Motors facility!! Just writing it here makes it sound so unbelievably incomprehensible. Think about it!! That's why these trolls are verbally slaughtering their fellow human beings-because of the employment that fate arranged for them. Good God-no wonder the world thinks of us as they do!

This is all so endless and so silly. It doesn't matter what the story on GM is about; the comments always end up the same each time: People who don't work at GM complain about the media attention GM gets and assume that the employees sit on their butts all day while the autos built themselves; GM workers continuously reply that non-GM folks would not last one shift at the place because the work is very, very demanding; the rest of us debate whether the town is going down with the plant, and everybody picks on jackson or jackson1. Maybe we all need something better to do with our time.

Hey RUSerious, I am not a troll, more of a half-troll. Diamond, thanks for the offer but I'm not an SUV guy. unkbd, has you got the sniffoos? benthinkin, what is a co-signer? The person that covers your checks? It amazes me, all the vitriol that you "nice caring people" manage to spew from your mouths towards others that don't share your views or have a whole different take on whatever the topic may be. I may very well be all the things that you nice people have called me, but one thing I will never be, unlike all of you, is a hypocrit.Peace out and DECERTIFY THE UAW!

Hey Seabee, everything I've got is for sale, and always is to a big talking dude like you.
Price is average retail value +20%.
The 20% is because you stated you wanted to give me a real good price...
How about it???
Or can't you get someone to co-sign for you.

Seabee......I would eat my vehicle before I would sell it to an arrogant vulture such as yourself.

Seabee-Want to buy my 08 SUV?? I want a NEW 09 !! Okay that wasn't nice ,but neither are you at times.In the big picture of life we are all just doing the best that we can and still giving back. I was just wondering are you at least happy that the workers at Simmons are getting called back to work,or do they deserve their layoff too?

There seems to be a lot of whining on here and it's not from the GM workers. Jackson, maybe you need to get a job or a hobby other than bashing everyone else. It seems like some of you are only happy if there is some sort of bad news pertaining to GM. Most of the people that work there have realized for quite some time that things were changing and have tried to prepare for it. That being said, it isn't ever easy for someone to lose their job and security no matter how much or how little they make. Laughing in their faces about it just makes you pathetic and small. Those of you who think it is so funny to offer to buy atv's, boats etc., you're the lowest of the low. Maybe you can really feel like a big man and offer to buy their kids' toys from them too. What I'm wondering is why don't any of you post where you work so we can criticize your wages and laugh when your job is gone? I wouldn't do that to you though because I was raised better than that. Wish I could say the same for some of you. Thanks to those of you who are being so supportive. It's appreciated!

Just a quick post for the likes of Stacey, Diamondback, Mirandadee, Danias, Etownmilton and other wise souls (and I will listen to my own reasoning as well.); Ask yourselves why trolls like jackson and his spawn jackson1, Janesville(yeah right)hero, Seabee, myyear08, rlms, opinonsforfree (thus their value) and so on seek out with gusto each day, read with great interest, and then post repeatedly to articles related to GM, criticizing the multiple stories, slamming the workers, calling them drunk, lazy and uneducated (when they know as well as you and I that GM workers come in every shade from high school educated to college graduates, live in humble homes and live in mini-mansions, drive the same car they had when they started there or drive the latest, greatest SUV or import, drink their free time away or never touch a drop, are carefree singles to parents of 5-occasionally adopting from local or foreign orphanages).
These trolls cry loud and often about the fictional criers from GM. (Doesn’t anyone else notice GM workers may respond by unnecessarily defending themselves, but they aren’t here complaining about their plight NOR bragging about how they’re better than anyone else-where are the quotes that initiate these claims? Self-defense does not count)
You will figure out as I have that the trolls obviously have nothing, absolutely nothing, better to do with their lives, not a single one of them. Notice they ALL claim not to care (and why should you care if they do or don’t?) because they run businesses or otherwise find themselves with lots of capital, have superb educations, have busy, fantastic and important lives, yet they still find the time to spend most of said lives on GazettExtra digging out forums for their complaints about GM workers and how they’re not worth the pots they spit in (and generally speaking, these trolls drop their higher educations at the computer room door and get grammatically lazy).
Ask yourselves why they would waste their time doing this. The logical answer is-because they have absolutely nothing BUT time-and none of the other above average assets they claim that (they think) would put them in a league above these GM workers they love to put down.

If any of you GM people lose your jobs and want to sell a Harley, jet-ski, or atv, let me know.I'll give ya a real good price for it.:)

MYYear-Joking about what?? The food deliveries ? No that's my guess on the amount.One pizza place said they delivered 200 average a week.Your answer made no sense about GM workers would have to take a lunch like the rest of you ??? How is that going to help local buisnessess?? If you have only lived in town for 10 years ,you don't know what happened in 84-85 to the house market. By the way there are 45 foreclosers in tonights paper. What do you think of that ?

thank you to all of you who are being so understanding and caring about the GM workers it is nice to know that there really are SOME nice people left out there ..........it really does mean alot!!!!!!

I can't believe the lack of decency on this thread. How someone can be thrilled about the misfortune of others is beyond me. It's really disturbing.

Karma, people.

I never realized there were so many people that hated GM workers. I think a lot of people do not see all the other companies that support GM in this community it is not just Lear Seeting. there is a large portion of SSI, Gilmans or whatever they are called now, JATCO and many other trucking companies. Some of the companies like SSI and Gilman don't rely 100% on GM in janesville anymore but they will be affected. And will some small businesses be hurt? you better believe it where are all these factory workers going to get good paying jobs in Janesville? Maybe they can get a mini-shifter job at 1/4 the wages that will support a family. And what is going to happen to the housing market now in janesville? Before you say anything about me, NO I don't work at GM in fact I had to go out of the county to find a decent paying job in my field.

I don't think Janesville will become a flint Michigan but I don't see us growing either. What I do see is housing prices will continue to fall, the tax base will shrink in janesville we will have to cut back on city spending, maybe put off some projects and tighten our community belt but Janesville will servive.

Gee the only people I see crying about this story is people who don't work for GM. Hey here is one for ya get a life! I don't want you to feel sorry for us workers, I just hope I don't buy or having anything to do where you people work because I'll be pinching my pennies. Oh by the way Jackson couldn't even make it a whole night when he work for summer help so it just explains why he is doing most of the whining he is just____ !

all i know is if GM does close down where will the local charities get a large amount of their donations people like to bash GM workers because of what they have if people only knew how much the employees give to help our community they would be SHOCKED!!it will be a sad day for the people who get help from these places.do all you GM haters give to charities like they do???why are people so jealous of general motors employees that they will say anything just to make them look bad ......i am sure there are still some people who come to work drunk but i bet i can say the same for just about any job...i know employees of McDonalds come in drunk and high but you don't see people commenting on the in the paper ....do you??? just for the record i DO NOT agree with the drinking and drug use that may go on but it is not only happening at GM!!!!!

and i have stated in a previous post as an outside ( not from janesville) i have no idea why there is so much hatred against the gm people but i think it is all kinda childish to me. and i really havent read any gm employees crying it is everyone else that does the crying and complaining about them. i dont know it must be a janesville thing.

i dont know MYYEAR08 you seem to care an awful lot to me. you have quite a bit of complaining to do about gm.

Not the case here . Moved here about 10 years ago and all I hear is GM crying . Please get over yourselves !

my experience. the people who criticize gm in janesville and offer rude and crude stereotypical comments are the same people who had their applications rejected. sorry!!

I have to wonder when the GM people will give up and realize .... We don't care . Close the place and do it now . I'm sick of hearing the crying . Close the elementary school of Janesville . GM

Curious do g.m. workers still come to work drunk and high?

Life will go on with or with out G.M.
People will adjust, business's will adjust and survive.

G.M. is not all that, as we all can tell.

As you can see the highly educated folks down at the plant(or their spouses) can't see how the community can survive without GM. If they would have taken an econ class is high school maybe they would understand.

So GM people keep banging your chest when your company goes out of business because they keep building a product that nobody wants with a bloated over paid workforce

Duramax Tahoe is the only way to keep janesville's plant open...haha

diamondback .. I can only assume you are joking ? Maybe GM employees will have to bring a lunch just like everyone else has to . The small business people in the world are creative and will surely survive . You give them very little credit . I am sure they have already started planning on ways to bring in new business once the plant is closed . You don't really think they are that stupid to just wait and see what happens do you ?

staceyt .. you do seem like the exception and i hope thing do work out for you . I don't think everyone dislikes people who work at GM, rather get sick of the people, who work there ,who seem to think they are the supermans of Janesville. They are no different then the rest of us and we all need to learn how to be thrifty in this day and age . What we don't need is GM employees acting as if Janesville will close down if the plant does .

Oh yes, the end of the world! That is what we've all been told for so many years. If GM leaves, what will we do? We'll move on. We'll survive and we will not become Flint. It is just arrogance to believe that this town is only on the map because of GM. Yes, we will all have to buckle down, but for the same reason GM is, high gas prices which has driven up the cost of pretty much everything. NOT because GM is laying off. To Stacyt, I guess you should have planned better, no one thought GM would be here forever.

MYYear-No not really !!! Can you answer my question ?? Could it be that you don't have the answer or that you never really thought about it ?? I'm off to work ,I'll check back on my break.

hey cubfan48 i have NO boats, i have ONE suv and my husband drives a old pickup truck and our daughter has a 97 old cutlass we have only a small home less than 1500 sq ft so we are not the sterotype of what GM workers are i will say some of them live way above their means but most do not!!!! i wish people could just understand that not all are that way but they will only believe what they want to it is easier to go along with everyone eles rather than stand up and say something on their on own!!!!!

WOW .. tough words for a factory worker . Feel better ???????????

staceyt-DON'T listen to these dumb ***** I also work at GM and can see the big picture for the future of Janesville.Case in point MYYear said we will ALL have to buckel down... I would say that DOESN'T make the small buisness owners very happy !I said before and I'll say it again WHO is going to make up the LOSS $$$ just in deliveries (food) on a weekly bases . My guess it's around $10,000.-$15,000. a week.Maybe all the haters /we will be ok will pick up the loss for these places.(i'm not counting on it)Again these people are just dumb,or don't want to see what is happening.

cubfan48 .... I couldn't have said it better myself ! Stop crying and take charge of your life ,you are the only one that can change it . GM SURE WON'T !

Staceyt...sell one of your boats and snowmobiles and drive a normal car like most other people...