Yes, it is a fact that they are chronic complainers, at least.

The inapprorpiate opinions (delusions) are the ones coming out of the mouths of the B-moonies.

You're right what was stated by Marcia could be an opinion. Sadly tho in this case,it is also a fact!

bravo, billnewbie. I have also noticed the opinionated ramblings of some of the so-called Gazette "journalists".
We don't need your opinions. Just the facts...Ma'am.

I left Janesville over four years ago. I followed the antics of K. Andreah Briarmoon f.k.a. Karen McGuire for years, before my departure. I still follow them. I agree totally with MajorMojo's comment, with one addition. Ms Briarmoon seems to relish being part of the problem and also seems to feed the fire so there is no positive solution as long as the proposed solution is not of her making or to her advantage or profit.

Perhaps the council should vote to pay her $147,000.00 to re-locate to another State.....just not the one I moved to, please?

Bill and Andreah, sitting in a tree,
G-r-i-p-i-n-g

Maybe Briarmoon could become city manager? She has all the anwers. She was willing to accept a council position for $0, maybe she could do the same as city manager. Then Steve could go to every council meeting and berate her for doing (not) her job!

They need to just move away. Far, Far Away

Jeeze, karl, talk about feeding their ego, you said: "Then again, maybe they do [know what's positive]."

How can your statement be applied to anyone whose ego can be fed in the way you first describe them?

They've done nothing to deserve positive credit of any kind.

They are under the delusion that the multitudes are behind them. This blog is a is a healthy dose of medicine to the contrary.

How can that be bad? If they have any sense, this blog is a long overdue reality check.

I wonder why anyone would think that they are enjoying this.

All of this time spent talking about Andrea and Bill, fullfill their goals and feed their egos. I now refuse to continue to talk about, or to the pair of them, until they become positive contibuting members of this city. The problem is that they have no clue what is positive or what is negative. Then again, maybe they do. I said no more talk to feed their egos and that message is now commencing. Have a great day and enjoy the sun that is now coming out.

We might be able to describe the B'moonies as a small coven of Oswaldians who cancel each other out -so far.

tjncj, what you did is interesting as long as the stark contrast between MLK and B'moon is understood.

Awe, come on, no comments on the Briarmoon "I have a dream" speech. It took me 90 seconds to do.

Face it, some people just aren't happy unless they're complaining about something. Those two aren't just happy, they're absolutely ecstatic!

I here that once Prochaska gets out of prison he's going to be his sisters campaign manager. Just think of the triumverate of McCoy, Briarmoon, and Prochaska! We won't need a city manager with those three in charge.

tjncj-NO WAY. You've taken what I've said out of context, and added your own twist to it.
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My point is that being complacent is much worse than being civily disobedient.
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Like I stated previously, I don't personally advocate for Briarmoon or McCoy.

Wow, are you comparing Briarmoon to MLK?

"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all carriage barns are created equal."

I have a dream that one day on the farm fields of Wisconsin, the sons of former realtors and the sons of former city managers will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the city of Janesville, a city sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the state of disrepair of their carriage barn but by the content of their lawn tractor shed.

I have a dream today!"

Civil disobedience is how many issues get noticed and then changed. Remember MLK Jr.?
Peaceful protest and civil disobedience...

Do you readers honestly believe everything anyone has ever told you without question? Authority is meant to be questioned. It helps keep them honest.

While I don't personally advocate for either Briarmoon or McCoy, their unhappiness with the council is based on their beliefs that things aren't right within it. They are NOT alone in their beliefs.

well, she didn't get her wish with her "FIRE CITY MANAGER" on her letter board on her place on West Court St. I laughed out loud (and was alone in my car) when I drove by.

Must be a family thing. Her brother Mr. Prochaska also has a little problem with authority and a case of lead poisoning to show for it.

Briarmoon's sad little mind can't accept any rule that she did not make. Nor can she fathom a world where she doesn't make all the rules. I can't decide if she's delusional as others here have said or if she is just a vicious person who's hobby it is to cause problems and harm to others.

Chronic complainers is the least of what they are.

Are you trying to say they are not chronic complainers? It is well documented, not anyones opinion. I can also imagine Briarmoon's hateful rhetoric monopolizing the situation. My guess is the reporter hit it right on the head.

I take issue with the reporter, Marcia Nelesen's use of the following phrases, "chronic complainers" "at it again" and "monopolized the conversation". These are opinions. Reporters should allow readers to form their own opinions and not provide them, though I know that is hard to do.

now i am not singleing out any member of the cit council or manager.But the issue of creating new jobs dosent seems to never get talked about to much at city council meetings.My hope is the at some point this issue needs to be discusced.An that a plan be put in place for the purpose of creating new jobs so workers can stay competive in the shrinking job market.An the present place i work at my bosses are over 60 an i know they are thinking about retirement.i dont know what that will mean for the company i work for but if it dose close i want to feel that there wil be jobs avalible cause i want to work for another 25 years an retire.An that should be on everyones mind.An by the my situation is a example of what i think the city coulcil should be talking about.An this is something that should be adressed to keep the city growing an to comntinue to prosper.

All true, karl_d. Sheiffer's salary is a product of what the market will bear for the skill required to expertly run a city.

The complaints about his salary come from people who blame their low incomes on people other than themselves.

Ed Pulliam has spoke well for at the very least, my feelings about compensation and the job our City Manager has done. I have not always agreed with him, but respected him and agreed with the vast majority of actions.

After running for City Council the past two years, I did some research on the City Manager's pay packages. Mr Sheiffer’s salary is not high, it is in the middle of the pack accross the nation for cities our size and smaller. I did not check every city, but enough to understand compensation.

Something many people do not know, is that there is a shortage of City Manager or City Administrator material out there and I am not even talking about quality ones. Some cities have limped by for several years trying to find the correct person, I hope that these two people do not discourage potentialially qualified candidates.

I have known or worked with all of the City Council people now on the council and the new people coming in. I feel that they will do a fine job and we just need to give them some room to do it. Even though I was unable to attend the meeting last evening, I knew the decision making was in good hands.

Keep up the fine work and find us another excellent manager. I believe that most people understanad what we need.

Steve and his staff have done a fine job and I commend them. I hope that they do in fact understand that this bunch of kooks is not reflective of nearly all of the city.

I must admit that there are times when i just laugh at the shear luunacy of this bunch. I don't think that someone could write a script like this. I find it harder yet to believe that Briarmoon and Co. believe their own schtick

People just don't realize that when the city manager has been around for 20 years and a councillor maybe two to six years, the manager will have name recognition, professional authority, and experience on his side. This is in fact a good thing.
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Steve became the focus mainly because of his longevity, and his longevity was due to his success. Even if we're lucky to get someone as good this time, we shouldn't _expect_ that he will be here 20 years. Only Sheiffer and Traxler (28 years!) stayed that long.
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A new city manager will not have those qualities other than professionalism and background, and even if they are a creative visionary and a solid political persuader, the council's role in the next 5-10 years will be more important. Especially if we go through a period of shorter city manager terms, which is a distinct possibility.

It's hard to get companies to come to Wisconsin. Wisconsin is a tax hell. Very unattractive to new companies looking to locate somewhere.

Well said, localboy...

And the questions become: What personal psychological state embraces that kind of lunacy? What kind of character would choose to view the world that way and choose to interact with the world that way?

They are living lives unexamined.

The problem Andreah and Billy have is they are still stuck in the counterculture movement of the late 60's, (early 70's by the time it hit Janesville)and they want to create a utopia based on nondoctriniare ideology, and chaos, directed at eliminating the establishment which we have put faith in to protect us with rules and regulations. They think they know best, because they are the people, and not the authority. They need to grow up and start accepting reality and not indulging in deviant behavior that is not productive. The are the vocal minority and the polls have proven that election after election after referendum.

It is a tribute to the people of Janesville that no real support has ever been garnered by B'moon and her two or three fellow malcontents.

Despite the fact that they have had, for several years, the benefit of invaluable coverage by way of radio, newspapers, and a cable access TV show to blather their delusional complaints, vitriol, and Hitlerian demagoguery, Janesvillers stand united in seeing this miserable crew for what they are.

Janesvillers, the city administration, and the city council should be congratulated for NOT contributing in anyway to any of this crew's delusions, schemes, and tactics.

Briarmoon's hate for Sheiffer and the city administration is so pathetic and a waste of time. You get one life to live, why consume yourself with such an agenda? Maybe if she found something positive in her life she could let this go and move on. Instead she pursues this course and becomes the laughingstock of the city.

jtmek, I think that is what 62,000 other Janesvillites are trying to figure out as well.

I just don't understand why, if Briarmoon and McCoy hate Janesville so much, they just don't move away???? Seems like it's a win-win solution.

Briarmoon does not know how to be a part of the solution, only a part of the problem with her negativity.

The one thing the city council needs to do is put mre effort into bringing new jobs to Janesville. This is the one area that the city council has failed to adress.An the job market here gets smaller every year an seems like less jobs get created.i recently talked to a few people that are friends of mine who worked at Shakeys they still haven't found a new job yet and its not from a lack of trying.Evean though we have new stores in the old Walmart building I think the city needs to start getting new companies interested in comeing to Janesville an this is what should be on the minds of the city council.

Well said Mr. Pulliam. When the council is weak, the city manager must be strong, otherwise the city will look like Superior, where time has stood still, while Duluth has prospered.
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However, perhaps the council would step-up if they were paid, something, anything.
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It seems out of whack that the city manager is being paid as much as a Governor, a Congressman, a St. Supreme Court Justice, and the supposed policy-makers for the city, the coucil, are not paid anything.