Nice to see you have a sense of humor...
I ask you a question and you come back with that.
Best laugh I've had today, thanks...

you ask questions but you never answer any ?

Hey wait a minute...you state your going to stick to the subject and then go off on me.
I thought the subject was rural life, not benthinkin?

try sticking to the subject "reality of rural living" no one cares about your petty remarks and conspiracy theories. yes my husband and i use the same computer (go figure) and anytime he was signed in and i commented i said it was me. so again i never used another user name. speaking of user names you also made a comment about my user name and you were wrong about that also. justsaynotomath refers to people who can not add or subtract you know sarcastic. when will you get something right on here ???

Town of Turtle has a similiar tax base as Village of Clinton.

Posted by justsayno on March 22 at 8:24 a.m
"comment posted by "justsaynotomath" not "husbandofmath"
This was in reference to a post by husbandofmath. So either you are correcting your husband's thoughts, or using multiple I.D.'s.

Does the Town of Turtle have an unusually large tax base?

Living in a rural area is not a bad thing. This article does seem slanted in favor of expansions of city limits/services. I am a renter with children and dogs. It is impossible to find the right size home that takes kids and pets within the city without living in the 'economically challenged' areas of Janesville.
I will gladly sacrifice city services and ease of access to ammenities for peace and quiet.

"benthinkin" it appears "clouds555" said i instead of "justsayno" and corrected it. don't flatter yourself as you love to do. i would never hide and have had the same user name since i started. "husbandofmath" is my husband duh, but as far as "clouds555" i have no idea who that person is. this is kind of funny because i was going to ask you if "benthinkin and pizzaman" are the same person since you post at the same time most often then not.

Gary, not sure, have to pull the bill, however the Town of Turtle mill rate with Clinton Schools is only 20 dollars per thousand.

How much of that tax bill was for schools?

For those that complain about water bills and taxes, move to the Village of Clinton! The mill rate for my home tax bill was in excess $32.00 plus per thousand on an asessed value house of 156k equals $5300. Water bill for a family of 5 $100.00 per month. I moved to the village from Turtle Township and boy did I get the shock of my life. Move to Clinton for high taxes, high water and sewer, TERRIBLE STREETS, horrible sidewalks.. I will say the school district is great, and so are the people...

Hey cloud555, baased on your posts it appears that justsayno is also cloud555. Awhile back justsayno was husbandofmath.
Hmmm wonder why someone needs to hide???

Say how about backing up your acusation, or are you just spewing...well you know what

benthinkin , still no hobby i see. justdayno didn't slant anything. your a bully and we can all read that.

benthinkin , still no hobby i see. i don't have to slant anything. your a bully and we can all read that.

Septic systems always get the bad rap. They tell you sewer is the way to go. They don't tell you how much it's going to cost you to hook up to the sewer and how much down the road it's going to cost you. It's not a free lunch.

Justsayno you must've been jumping to conclusion again as you did not read the rest of my post about the "nice people", or did you slant the response to try to shore up a weak response.
Nice of you to go the personal attack route though with you being a "nice" country person.

It just amazes me that people can become hostile over something as simple as living in the country vs. in the city. I am sad that you need to be on defense about so many things. I am only stating that the reasoning they used in this news article was silly for thinking twice before you move to the country. It sounds as if there are other reasons not on the surface for the discouragement. AND PIZZAMAN..I can accept the fact that you are sarcastic, I will remember that in the future, it is so easy to take words typed out of context. Sorry for scolding you like a mother hen. :o) BENTHINkIN...a lot of times I agree with you, but sometimes you call names and that isn't necessary to debate with someone. I can understand what JUSTSAYNO means by nicer people. People tend to be more frantic and uptight in a larger city. Just look at the heart attack statistics in the larger cities such as Chicago. I am certain what JUSTSAYNO meant was, he misses the close nit relationships you make with people in a rural community.

i made no negative comment about the people of janesville. it sucks could be anything, such as traffic, and litter everywhere, etc. how could i know about people i have only spent 6 weeks with.
once again you make comments with nothing to back them up. get a hobby or something 185 comments by you in 3 months is a little obsessive wouldn't you say ?

Quote from justsayno "since my home has been under construction i have lived in a house in Janesville for a month and a half and it sucks ! i thought having the store close by would be nice but there is nothing else nice about it. i miss nice people and clean air !"
Let's see living in Janesville sucks...and you miss "nice people" cause your living in Janesville and yet you claim to have made no negative comment???

Stop urban sprawl. Vote this Tuesday,4-1-08, for people committed to preservation and conservation of natural resources. Your vote counts!

"benthinkin" i never said anything negative about janesville people. you need to read and not make statements that are false.

Sounds like heaven to me - septic problems or not, it's got to be better than putting up with the trash who moved into my back yard with a Rottweiller who wants to chew my head off and two other vicious dogs who'd probably be happy to help. City living stinks - you don't know what piece of @%$^(# will move next to you and ruin your Zen of paying all that property tax. In the country at least you've got the barrier of an acre or two.

OPTIMISM, I really don't think that you and justsayno need to keep bullying the folks that live in the city with all of those negative comments about them...

BEENTHINKING AND PIZZAMAN ~

I don't get it...there was absolutely no reason for you to pick on justsaynotomath like a school yard bully. WHy must you do these things? You can get a lot more attention for being nice.

JUSTSAYNOTOMATH ~
We also live in the country in Orford, and you are right, the people are nicer here, and you just have a feeling of "calmness" living in a rural community. It sounds as if the city counsel is for some reason trying to keep land for sale in the country so they can continue to expand urban life instead of rural living. It is just not for me, to live in the city, I am sure it is for many, but it is silly to use such goofy reasons not to move to the country to try and deter people from moving. Just goofy.

There was a wonderful documentary series presented on this subject a number of years ago. I believe that it was entitled "Green Acres".

I would take country living over city living any day, regardless of smell, tractors, response to, whatever.

My kids grew up swimming in a creek and building tree forts in the woods. The neighbors are always friendly and ready to help. We didn't have to worry about gang bangers or other influences, the kids would go out and play into the night and we didn't worry about who they were with.

Some of our favorite times are during a good snow storm where we dare not go anywhere in the car. We light a fire and just watch the snow build up and don't worry about shoveling the sidewalk (and we don't have to fight that J'ville sidewalk battle)- just plow the driveway in time to go to work.

It is getting more crowded out here, more and more folks are moving from the city to the country and I don't blame them, I made that move over 15 years ago and it's probab;y one of the best things that I could have done for my family.

I'll take the well & septic, response times and everything that goes with country living. I hope to live in a rural setting for the rest of my days on this planet.

whybesad'
Seriously, your water and sewer bill averages 200.00 a quarter? Do you live in Janesville?
Because if you do, I think you should call a plumber to check for leaks.
I water my lawn 4 days a week (May - Oct.) and the highest bill I had was 160.00

LOL, your does your girlfriend live in the park, or just do her cuise'in there?

Hey pizzaman, justsayno is able to get a pizza delivered in Orfordville. I bet if you can beat the fire dept.'s 3 minute response and get her a pizza quick you'll make a new friend.

what is you problem "pizzaman" ? why do you feel the need to comment on everything i say ? try commenting on the story, you know the reason for the blog.

PS: in Orfordville you can get great pizza delivered. the fire response was 3 mins. when i called. roads are bad in the entire state we had a record snow year. my girlfriend lives in palmer park and has never seen a plow. i don't smell any farms and most are horse farms anyways. not to mention it is so quiet i have to run a fan when i sleep just to have some noise.

is this story to scare people from buying a house in the country ? maybe so since there are so many homes for sale here in Janesville. i live in the country and i wanted to buy a house in Janesville so i wouldn't spend so much on gas. well let me tell you the gas is worth every penny ! since my home has been under construction i have lived in a house in Janesville for a month and a half and it sucks ! i thought having the store close by would be nice but there is nothing else nice about it. i miss nice people and clean air ! i still hate the gas but that's better then the alternative.

MCS- I have two teenage daughters who like to keep clean. So my water bill may be a bit high but, in no means misleading.

Oh, give me land lots of land under starry skys above. I live in the country, again. I tried the city, it just didn't work out. I'm still seeking counseling from living in an apartment complex. These are true stories; The first week I went out on my downstairs belcony to read my morning paper, the guy upstairs decided to clean fish, the wet newspaper and the fish guts/water, complete with scales came dripping through the floor boards of his belcony above me. The next weekend he tipped over his hot coffee on my head(he did apologize). By the next month, it was safer to stay inside. I invited friends over for lunch and our entertainment was listening to him and his girlfriend..um..make music together through the whole meal. I stayed for 6-months and moved back to the country and I plan to stay here. I now live on the river and sometimes it smells funny too, but I get to watch eagles fly by! Don't fence me in.

I'd take the smell of a farm over the Janesville Dump any day. I grew up on a farm down wind from a hog operation; lemme tell ya; pigs stink. And again, I'd take them over the dump any day.

Baymom
I thought the same thing...it sounds as if there are ulterior motives.

Is this slanted article your way of trying to prevent urban sprawl?

I've lived in the country and in town. In the country, you get farm pesticides, but in town, you get the herbicides applied to neigboring lawns and golf courses -- on average many times more per acre than is used on farm fields. In the country, you have to pay for well and septic and are responsible for keeping them clean and functioning. In town, you have to pay for water and sewer, and if the water's contaminated (mine has been) or the city sewer backs up into your basement (which happened to my neighbor), it's tough luck. In the city, you hear neighbors playing loud music in the night, and in the country, you'll hear farm equipment. The annoyances balance out, but in the country, at least you get some space to roam in and the natural world to view.

I've been to a few cities that didn't smell all that sweet. Cow manure would have been an improvement. Maybe I'm just a country boy.

Keep in mind that if you're pumping water from your own private well, you do have some costs associated with it. Besides the cost of drilling it and installing the needed plumbing, pump and pressure tank,etc. and maintaining it, there is the cost of the electricity to run the system. You might be paying less than municipal rates (maybe) but you aren't getting the water for free.

Private wells are not free from quality issues, either, especially if your well is near agricultural acreage where run off can leach nitrates or other contaminants into the ground water.

This article is rediculous. Scratch and sniff manure cards? ROTFLMAO!!! That is the funniest thing I have ever heard. We live in Wisconsin...even if you live in the city, on a day with just the right wind you can smell manure!! I live in the country, we built our house 5 yrs. ago, and don't let anyone who buys in the country or builds in this day and age tell you they weren't aware of septic and well issues before committing to the purchase...IT IS A MANDATORY PART OF RURAL LIVING and no inspector would allow you to forget that!! And at least you don't have that extremely high water and sewer bill all year long and at least you don't have to worry about the quality of your "chlorinated" water day to day. Or wonder when they are going to decide to raise the cost of your natural gas as they see fit. As far as noise...hmmmm would I rather listen to squealing tires, lawnmowers at 7am, dogs barking, loud music etc...or a muted hum of a tractor? No contest. Sure country living isn't for everyone and yes the commute can cost more, but that is why people need to plan their trips accordingly, just like in the old days. As far as I am concerned, the family values that country living create, can't be beat. City living for children allows kids to easily be tempted to make ill decisions. I think that you are either a country bumpkin, or your not.

whybesad....$200.00 a quarter for city water and sewer ???? NOW WHO IS BEING MISLEADING !!!
If not misleading then you've got somthing wrong.

Septic systems may be a pain but, with proper upkeep they can last for 30 years or more depending on usage.I moved from the city to the country and definitly prefer the country. I ride a motorcycle and can ride right down the road to rural roads. When in the city, I was dam near run over numerous times just driving to get to the country. Sure I have to shop in town but, I prefer the country.

I believe Jeff Sartell should have already discovered a need for a mound system before he bought the land. That is usually the first test you do before you commit to the land purchase.....contingent to a good perk test, or otherwise if isn't, then you proceed with the purchase knowing full well, that it will be a mound system.
Just saying

The maintenance of the well and septic and the cost of putting them in is a big chunk up front but, you have to realize is these people don't have a sewage and water bill coming in the mail every quarter. Mine average $200 every quarter thats $800 a year. They have to get their septics pumped every three years for $150.00. If you do take care of your septic system it should last a long time. The article was a little misleading.

Kudoo's to Jefferson County and its scratch and sniff appoach to educatate city people. Maybe if Rock County did the same thing Larson Arces wouldn't have its 5+ year battle with its neighbors.

City people need to remember who was there first when they move into the country. Farmers are not going to change the way do things just because you don't like it or the smell.

The article brings up some good points. I grew up in rural Rock Township and saw first-hand the realities of "country living".

The routine maintenance to keep your well and septic systems operational is not to be taken lightly, nor is the long response time for emergency services. Time after time we read about rural house fires leading to total losses. Adding a mere ten minutes to a fire department's response time can mean the difference between saving your home or losing it.

I can appreciate and understand the desire to live in an isolated, wooded setting, but so many newer developments are just urban style subdivisions planted on former farm land. Where's the charm in that?

Joeflint - I agree with you about no longer being able to see the stars in Janesville and truly miss that. You stated that the Janesville light pollution was some of the worst in the U.S. per capita. Where did you get these facts from, how were they measured and who did the study?

"Nowadays, Janesville is so bright that it is difficult to see the stars from anywhere in county"
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And here I've been hearing that Janesville is dim.

"You can't even see the stars." Indeed. It was only 20-25 years ago that one could +easily+ see the stars and the Milky Way from within Janesville. The light pollution in Janesville is some of the worst in the entire U.S. on a per capita basis. Nowadays, Janesville is so bright that it is difficult to see the stars from anywhere in county save out towards Magnolia Bluff. Sigh.