This story didn't get the attention it deserves.

The karma train finally pulled into OJ Simpson's station. No blogging on the OJ story in the Gazette. Maybe comments can be posted here (since this story has to do with criminality). Some people think he got a bad deal. I don't.

What about knowing how to read? Does ignorance have anything to do with knowing or not knowing how to read?!

dude is not a pal of mine any more than i am your 'friend', and hes not the only one who sees your silly game. do you see the others defending me on this?? you emailed me and told me you were giving me a platform, or whatever word you used. i saw this story on the state journals website yesterday and did not comment cuz it doesnt warrant a comment. its about bad parenting, not marijuana, in my opinion. i dont need your platform gfan. i dont need your help. i think you are ignorant and even after this long you continue to stereotype me 'He has less of an excuse than you do'. you can spin this how you want, but your original post on this story implied i would defend these people, and that shows me you havent been listening to anything ive said or PROVEN. in my OPINION ignorance isnt defined by level of knowledge as much as level of willingness to learn and listen....

thekid, be a man with a clear head. You accused me of ragging on you when I did not. (I chose to engage you anew in your ongoing interest. And my first remarks about THC in breast milk were reasonable and not insulting.) You not only wrongly accused me but you did it as a result of being flattered and bamboozled by a guy who would love to see you prison. Your pal breaks down easy when it comes to back-and-forth reasoning; and he does this without the benefit of pot in his brain-pan. He has less of an excuse than you do. Smarten up.

gfan...are you trying to prove your MORE rite or something?? who EVER in this blog said it was ok for a mom to smoke pot while breast feeding?? certainly not me. i merely stated what ive read, and if you google 'marijuana breastfeeding' you will read about the same thing. if you look back at my history on the gazette you will see a majority of my posts are about marijuana. usually, when i post a comment about a story, whether it be related to alcohol, prescription pills, ehtanol or whatever, i post a comment and dont comment again...unless someone comments about my post and wants a discussion. im ok with this cuz trust me, ive got the time:). but i also do it to possibly open someones eyes to the hypocrisy us responsible smokers see on a daily basis, that the non smokers NEVER even consider. when i see you all but invite me to a conversation related to pot, well you know im gonna join. when i make valid points, and state the same belief as you that pregnant moms should not smoke pot NOR DRINK ALCOHOL, and i have several people posting that they all know what im about and this story isnt it, instead of acknowledgin any of that you then turn it into a 'why are you guys teamin up on me'?? grow up. if youre going to start a conversation at least man up and have the discussion.

billnewbie, you and thekid will be doing a bong soon together.

Clear thinking, such as dishing out crapola to thekid and expecting him to call it cream cheese.

Breastfeeding is the best method of feeding an infant. It is also good for a mother's health.

Marijuana products, THC (Delta-9 tetrahtydrocannabinol) is the active chemical in cannabis. A mother using cannabis causes it to pass freely into her breast milk and the THC levels can build up. THC attaches to fatty tissue and remains in the infant's body for several weeks. For this reason, breastfeeding whilst using cannabis is not recommended. To safely breastfeed an infant, it is recommended that a mother seek assistance from a health professional to reduce or cease cannabis use.

Anyone who supports mothers smoking pot during the period of breast feeding an infant is very wrong.

thekid and billnewbie united by of a common enemy: Clear thinking.

Symptoms of religiosity and chronic pot use:

Paranoia

Poor judgment

Brought on by THC in breast milk.

you have a point kidd.

rite, he was cited for disorderly conduct because of how he acted with the cops, not for giving his 4 year old a beer, cuz its LEGAL. these people lost their children for giving them pot, not for acting like an a-hole to the cop. what any of these parents did was not right. but you cant deny the hypocrisy in the dif't punishments handed out.

well he was cited for disorderly conduct. but yes i agree, totally wrong in that he could get away with giving his 4 year old alcohol. yes i did miss that story i have been working alot of hours.

I think Gazettefan has lost his touch. Not only does he assign me actions for which he has no basis, but he wants to be able to goad other people with despicable innuendo and pretend he meant no such thing.

thekid, I told you otherwise. You should believe me. Read all our posts here again. I knew this story would foster comments on all aspects of pot use, including the uses you champion.

Know who's goading and manipulating you: billnewbie, who'd like to condemn you eternal damnation.

sry gfan, your original post on this said 'thekid, my friend, you got your work cut out for you here!!!' most def implying that i would defend these people and goading me(again) into a convo. this story has nothing to do with the legality of marijuana or the hypocrisy of the current marijuana prohibition. this story is/WAS only about bad parenting. the ONLY possible thread for me to defend is the fact of the hypocrisy in that the guy last week did not lose his children for giving them alcohol, cuz its LEGAL, but these people lose their kids for giving them pot. and im not sayin they shouldnt lose their kids, but the guy who gives his kid alcohol most def should too....

billnewbie, what the _________ are you talking about?! Hey, thekid, you want to back me up on this? Is billnewbie right? I didn't accuse you of supporting what's mentioned in the story. I only questioned you on the THC in breast milk study, which was something you read.

cloud- i know you believe in the denon weed as gfan calls it but even KID is smart enough to know this is wrong. youre wacked" bud"

thanx billnewbie. nurse4u, sry but you are wrong, you missd the story last week??

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I feel sad for all of you. This is a tragedy and I can not believe that this discussion is even open to debate.

That's a bitter pill you've swallowed there Gazettefan and its not staying down well.
That was a cheap shot you leveled at Thekid, but then cheap shots are your forte. For all his faults (disobeying the law primarily) he has always advocated against intoxicants for children as you well know, but you goaded him into this discussion with your disgusting implication just the same for your own amusement.
Some claim that marijuana is not toxic.If so then why are those who use it and get high referred to as intoxicated?

What the heck, are we supposta let public schools teach our kids everything? The next thing you know they will want to take teaching finances away from the parents! Go figure, Bush and his no child left behind policy.

First off, I am sure that if you gave your 4 year old alcohol you would be prosecuted for child abuse also. How does one situation even justify the other?? There is not any justification in either situation. An individual should be able to choose whether they smoke marijuana or consume alcohol and a child does NOT have the mental capacity to make that educated choice.

but its apparently not abusive to give a 4 year old alcohol. in fact its LEGAL. sry, im not close to sayin its ok to give kids either, but if i had to chose there is way less risk to the child who ingest marijuana than the child who ingests alcohol

Not the worse thing in the world? I think its abusive. They are right to be prosecuted.
Let's imagine this scenario for a minute-parents getting high ok that's their agenda. But for their own amusement, they gave it to their children. Lil Johnny (not his real name)is in the corner with the munchies and the lil girl is scared at what she feels and the baby is zoning out and the parents are laughing, and this is not abuse??

Teaching a young child to smoke marijuana isn't the worse thing a parent can do, although it's not good. Ignoring their children is. I've even heard several people say they would rather get a beating than be ignored. At least it showed them their parent cared enough to do that. These people weren't raised in poor families, either. They were raised by parents who had their own personal agendas to pursue.

do you have any children? I hope you are NOT providing them with marijuana.
Your rationalization is ridiculous. I am sure most parents across the world are not forcing their kids to ingest large quantities of vitamins. YET you say it is not abuse to force their kids to smoke marijuana? You condone providing mere children with marijuana??
Did your parents provide you with marijuana? Is that what happenned to YOUR brain cells?

I wonder how the mother feels about this situation.

spark i never said it was ok for these kids to smoke marijuana. dont be so uptite. what i said is merely about the studies i read. not my opinion on the subject at all, merely what i read, and agreed gfan, we can find info to support any side of any argument, its always logic from ones own point of view. retiredairforce makes my point. its uncle sam protecting me from myself. thats not a fair law. if thats fair then why doesnt he protect myself from alcohol?? the 'eviler of two evils'. i support responsible adults having the choice to smoke marijuana. as for kids, the studies are there for both sides, but ill stay neutral:)

Hhmm janesvillean, did you not read ALL the posts here? Some people are justifying the actions of the parents..clouds555 for example.
But yea we are all competing for moral ground because parents had the audacity to give their 9,3, & 1 years old pot. Maybe we should stay quiet?

Considering the amount of vetting and screening a potential adoptive parent MUST submit to...wouldnt it seem that the same standard should be applied to those choosing to have children naturally to help ensure loving,caring and reasonably intelligent parents to raise children...parents, the most demanding and rewarding job one can take on.
Simply being capable of reproducing should not be permission to do so...these 2 idiots would NOT have passed the test I would bet.

Is there actually anyone in this thread arguing in FAVOR of giving pot to kids this young? Or are we all just competing for the moral high ground again this lovely afternoon?

Yes, thekid, I have to wonder about this study you refer to. But then again, it doesn't matter, we can find just about anything on the 'net to support a certain point of view (hello, creationists). The thing about THC in breast milk is outright unacceptable. Nothing to discuss there --like someone said below, brains still forming etc.

Anyway, is there a lot of tie-die worn at Sunday's event?

Laws put in place to protect you from you (marijuana for example) by the government are always wrong; IMHO. But, laws put in place to protect you from others are a good thing..like protecting kids from idiot parents.

My position on marijuana is its the individual's choice. HOWEVER, giving marijuana to a child that is 9, 3, and 1 years of age is WRONG. There is not a CHOICE involved here. They are intentionally giving it to a child who does not have the mental capacity or ability to make an educated choice to smoke. Furthermore, the children can not comprehend the mind altering experience, it can be very frightening I am sure. PLUS these kids have brain cells that are still forming/growing. You do not know what potential effects that marijuana could have on these children's brains, now or in the distent future. How can you justify what these parents did?? I am sure the 9 year old didnt make this up. I am sure they have drug tests that were positive on these three children. It is TRAGIC!

The kid - What stereotypes are you referring to? The obvious truth that marijuana is illegal and no matter how bad you want it legal, it still isn't?
Your insane studies and off the wall information makes no sense whatsoever to the fact that these are kids and smoking anything is bad and a poor choice. Give me a break. Quit rambling on with the useless information.

dont worry gfan...im not producing milk any time soon. nor am i reproducing any time soon;). i did some research on the subject for a friend of mine and the negatives i read about it were pretty much the usual stereotypes and it wasnt so much about what the minute amounts of THC in the breast milk would do for the kids, as much as what smoking pot does to a persons ability to parent, which as this story proves is about the parent and NOT the drug. the studies basically showed no direct link between motor skills and learning ability of the THC breast milk children, and the non-THC breast milk children. i actually remember reading about one study where the THC babys had better motor skills/learning ability but they didnt credit that to the THC in the milk as much as to the people who smoke marijuana on even a semi-regular basis are generally more relaxed and deal with stress better, creating a better environment for the child to grow and learn.

To his credit, thekid speaks adamantly against the child abusers in the above story.

Though I am worried about his remarks re: breast milk and pot.

andiwonderwhy - I think sterilization is a bit radical, especially since it will be difficult to have those kids once someone proves themselves to be a responsible parent if they've already been sterilized! :-)

But I completely agree with the parental responsibility part. Seeing some of the kids that show up in the elementary schools, and hearing about their home life, will just break your heart. Kids are a gift and a responsibility, not an accessory!

lakennedy gettin my back;) gracias. and wdwhacker is correct. this isnt about pot. its about parenting, pot just happened to be the drug this unfit parent chose...

My God, what kind of parenting is this? It baffles me how any parent half way concerned about the welfare of their children can make decisions this bad.

I see you guys are still at it. I've worked in the addiction field for 17 years, there will be people "for" pot and those "against" it. I stopped trying to change minds long ago. The issue is that children have no control over what their parents do, so we need to step in and protect them. you can't believe what I have heard and seen in my years as a counselor

Bellagio: thekid has proven that he, as a responsible adult, chooses to smoke pot. From what I read about him, he is a responsible citizen. He is choosing to break the law by smoking pot, and that is his choice. He has NEVER advocated this type of behavior. Because he smokes pot, it doesn't mean that he condones this sort of abuse.

i agree with clouds on the level that pot is harmless and non toxic. maybe not 'harmless' to children, but thats mostly the smoke. if you google 'cannabis cookies' you can read about how marijuana helps kids with adhd focus. there has been studies done about kids who drank breast milk from a pot smoking mother vs kids who didnt. you anti-potters would be SURPRISED by the results. but any marijuana consumed by children should most def be under a drs order for a specific reason, not a 27 year old 'parent' who does nothing but play video games an smoke pot.
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its people like this that make it so hard to talk to the anti-potters about what mariujauna really is. last week the story about the guy who gave his kid the 'eviler of two evils', people blamed the parent, now SAME story this week and people will blame the pot cuz its an illegal intoxicant and people believe as spark says 'It will make you even stupider', which is just completely NOT TRUE. most people who smoke on a regular basis will actually probably tell you the exact opposite, but what would we know, youve been told about the drug, and we only use it....:)

Where is the children's mother(s)?
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Why would you let you kid suck/lick on a pipe? That is one of the most foul tasting things. I can't believe a child would even do it more than once.
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This has been going on since people started smoking pot. Some of my friends in high school got put in the state's care because their moms would blow smoke into their cribs to put them to sleep. Among other nasty things. Some parents think pot is okay for their children to be around. Some don't. I think it's illegal and if I'm going to do it, it will not be done around my daughter, and I will not be around her when I'm under the infulence of it.

Ok...I'll get a clue?! Good for you that you can put down the percise system of arrest...guess I don't have the experience. But my point still stands....LAW ENFORCEMENT wouldn't have arrested without them having a reason....they probably have a lot better things to be doing then to pick on the innocent....my clue is...you better not have kids.

optimism - You just proved to the masses your ignorance. The courts DO NOT pick people to accuse. Law Enforcement needs probable cause to make an arrest. The DA needs to have a burden of proof called "Beyond a Reasonable Doubt" to successfully prosecute a person. And in this state a person is NOT proven innocent, they are proven NOT GUILTY. Get a clue!

Are you kidding me? I cannot believe what some of you people are posting! They gave their KIDS pot! I hope to God you never have kids.
Get off your trip about whether pot is harmless, etc. I could care less if you smoke it. Go nuts. It will make you even stupider and that's your choice. This is about kids, not you.

Just a guess CLOUD but I am willing to bet you are so defensive because you smoke in front of your kids and tell yourself there is nothing wrong with it....and this made you feel the need to defend YOURSELF...

CLOUD...the parents are not arrested for the harm Pot does or did to their kids...they are charged with neglect and child abuse!!!! I would hope that they would do the same thing if a parent heated teflon ON PURPOSE and let the smoke waft under the noses of the babies. You are way off base here, and in my opinion a bit too defensive. Re read the story. There was nothing written about the harm the actual smoke did....it was the harm the parents did.

clouds555, am I wrong, or are you defending the parents? I am not opposed to pot, by any means, but I think there's an age where it's acceptable to smoke, and something tells me that 9 years old just isn't it. And 3-years old and 1-year old? Be serious for a minute. That's wrong to teach your child. No, pot's not the worst drug out there, but that doesn't mean you should give it to your child.

ljs64- You are a complete idiot and lack any form of common sense.

WHAT THE F@#% is wrong with society....first we hear that a father by milwaukee gives his toddler kids beer at the state fair, now we have a couple basically making the kids smoke marijuana. What do we hear about next week...someone having the toddler snorting cocaine or brewing some meth? When (as a society) start making people be responsible parents, i.e. sterilization until you can prove to be a responsible parent. If they can make a drug to increase sex drive, then they need to inject these people with the drug that decrease their sex drive.

you may be correct optimism, but i argue for de-criminalization/legalization of marijuana as an option for responsible adults. this story has nothing to do with de-crim/legalization of marijuana it has to do with ignorant parents so when gfan says 'kid you have your work cut out for you here' he is implying that i will defend these people. ignorant parents are ignorant parents whether they smoke marijuana or drink the 'eviler of two evils'
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thats awesome to hear you admit about your college smoking. the people who have never smoked marijuana just CANT understand the perspective it gives you about yourself, your thoughts and others.

THEKID...I specifically remember you saying that kids should not be around the smoke, as well as alcohol. And I am just throwing this one out there, but I don't think Gazettefan was saying you would agree with what happened, I just think he was saying that because pot was involved you obviously were going to be brought into the conversation whether you wanted to or not. Just guessing....maybe I am wrong. Just and FYI...in college I smoked when I wrote psych papers....OMG....how deep I would get. It was so fun reading what I wrote the next day.

These parents are disgusting. Seriously. They need help, and they should have never brought children into their dysfunctional lives until they fixed themselves first. And don't tell me that they are happy with themselves, someone that would willingly do something of this nature is obviously deranged, and needs mental help. I just hope someone gives these children the mental help they deserve before they start a new cycle of dysfunction...

Pot is a harmless drug. Really? Even to children?
Don't see the humor here.

i like your word 'proven'. and please belagiobound..find me a post where ive said its ok for kids to smoke?? were you one that said it was kewl for that parent to give his 4 year old a LEGAL drug last week?? cuz yes alcohol is a drug

ljs64.....are you really as ignorant as your words show? Seriously, think about it, do you think that the courts have so much extra time to just radomly pick people to accuse without probable cause? Come on....even if a person is proven innocent in a crime, there was a reason they were singled out in the first place. They just found a good lawyer.

How sick! What a travesty! Those parents ought to lose all rights to those children and those children given to parents who care.

I agree with gazettfan, the kid has proven in MANY posts that he thinks doing drugs is "cool". And yes, pot is a drug.

ljs64, let me guess. you also thought kip lecher was innocent?

Well, at least they were teaching them to use a harmless drug.

I've got a lot of weed whacking to do here.

gfan you continue to prove your ignorance. have you read anything ive posted?? why on earth do you think i would be ok with kids smoking marijuana?? last week there was the story about the parent who bought his 4 year old a beer. did i expect you to defend that because you drink?? nope. thats ignorant. these parents are ignorant and these poor children suffer from it. what i can say with fair confidence is that these people are probably unfit ignorant parents whether they smoke marijuana or not.

We should have a TEST to be a parent or step parent. Yeah, that's the answer a test. Let's see how many suggest a parenting test. Ridiculous.
INNOCENT until proven guilty. The losers are people that condemn and convict people based on a news article before the accused have their day in court.

thekid, my friend, you got your work cut out for you here!!!

They should thank their lucky stars that their names were withheld from the story.

The World is so full of losers, it's sickening. Absolutely clueless to anything.

Oh my god!!!! Those poor kids. What else were these derelicts doing to those poor kids? Someone should just beat the daylights out of these two scumbags!