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As usual, being (67) years old, my opinion may vary...They have a legal right to occupy the park, so not a problem.BUT...they do NOT have a legal right to refuse to move out at night, or to have it cleaned.Simple to me.Enforcing the law like they are doing now is the right thing to do.
"a Collective Gaggle of Malcontents"? Kind of reminds me of "nattering nabobs of negativity", coined by another famous criminal Republican by the name of Spiro Agnew. Convicted of all kinds of things after being investigated for extortion, bribery, tax evasion and on and on. Oh those rich GOPers, they are so comical when they get caught.
Yes I say a Collective Gaggle of Malcontents, meaning the vast majority of those interviewed and shown on filmed footage are representing themselves quite poorly. In any group there is a variety of people, but we all garner an observed assessment. And when the wayward outnumber and outbehave the genuine, it's time to call a spade a spade. As an Iraq War Veteran myself I've earned the right to assess the crowd as much as my brother in arms has earned the right to stand in it, so hold your misplaced criticism to yourself.
My only question is, "Who was the person who voted 135,489 times to skew the results?" Come on Gazette staff, with your technology savvy you can surely figure out how to block multiple votes from the same IP address without relying on cookies.
Gee, the Gazette removed my comments about slanting the vote by blocking Gazette cookies. Pretty petty Gazette, especially when your know there is a problem with your poorly written voting procedure. Tell me exactly what violated your stated policies. In your posted rules, you state "Share what you know", obviously you don't believe in your own site policies.
"Wisbaglady", "RetardeAirFarce", Bwaaaahahaha! That right there is some funny stuff.
BTW...this will make any future polls by the Gazette meaningless until they fix it.
135,000 no votes ? most of these polls have several hundred vote.
135,000 voted no? What a joke. Nice job stacking the deck Gazette!!!! You are liars and crooks!!!!!
wader 8 said, "the hundreds of televised interviews I have seen of them portray a collective gaggle of wayward malcontents who are obviously not contributors to our society."
Does that include the 24 year old Occupy Oakland protester, former Marine Corporal, and Iraq War veteran who is in a hospital fighting for his life due to the head wound he got from the Oakland Police? Wayward malcontent, indeed.
Why is the Gazette leaving this poll up? The count has obviously been tampered with. Last night I posted a one sentence statement at 6:25. From the time I posted the comment and viewed my comment (less than 1 minute) over 2000 votes had been added to the oppose count.
"Your revolution is over, Mr. Lebowski. Condolences. The bums lost. My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski?"
This vote is rigged!
Didn't know that the Gazette had 150,000 readers!
For the 1 percent of the population with the highest income, average real after-tax household income grew by 275 percent between 1979 and 2007.For others in the 20 percent of the population with the highest income (those in the 81st through 99th percentiles), average real after-tax household income grew by 65 percent over that period, much faster than it did for the remaining 80 percent of the population,but not nearly as fast as for the top 1 percent. For the 60 percent of the population in the middle of the income scale (the 21st through 80th percentiles), For the 20 percent of the population with the lowest income, average real after-tax household income wasabout 18 percent higher in 2007 than it had been in 1979.
As a result of that uneven income growth, the distribution of after-tax household income in the United States was substantially more unequal in 2007 than in 1979:The share of income accruing to higher-income households increased, whereas the share accruing to other households declined. In fact, between 2005 and 2007, the after-tax income received by the 20 percent of thepopulation with the highest income exceeded the aftertax income of the remaining 80 percent.
Over 135,000 voted no, yeah I would say that this has been rigged big time. I have never seen such huge numbers on these polls before. Funny how the majority of votes were for yes before.Please read:http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/numb...
Well....I'm a real person, my vote is valid, and I am against what these protesters have become. I initially agreed with a couple of their stated concerns like the Wall Street bailout debacle, but they obstruct, they violate the law and show disregard and contempt, and the hundreds of televised interviews I have seen of them portray a collective gaggle of wayward malcontents who are obviously not contributors to our society.
Since they cannot behave and cannot collectively articulate a purpose and plan which has a snowballs chance of effectuating change....they should go home and stop causing damage and expenses for the cities who have been tolerating them up till now.
Who are these pointy headed minion zealots of the Koch Bros., hunched over their computers for hours, repeatedly casting votes in polls to try to make their extreme ideology look mainstream?
If fraudulent votes can't be detected, the Gazette shouldn't have any polls. A poll with fake results is much worse than no poll at all.
Really rigged. Last night the "in some ways yes" answer had 280 votes, now it has 217. Gazettextra, you done been hacked.
Talk about a skewed poll! Anyone can see this is rigged.
What is the Gazette trying to pull? YesterdayYeas far outnumbered the nays. It looks to me like the same old Republican Voter fraud.
only 55 to 65000 in jville but there's 150,000 votes on this poll? Anyone who thinks this is not rigged isn't very bright.
Try breathing into a paper bag.
Very true jimbofish. Just recently, Dropout Boy Walker used taxpayer dollars to put a website into action. He just puts a bunch of numbers on it about how wonderful he is and how many hundreds of millions of $ he has saved with his saintly acts. Some people actually believe all of these numbers without question, without any evidence that these are true. Coming from a known, proven liar of course would cause any rational person to not believe them at all. But some people are taking these random numbers as the gospel truth. They follow these lying politicians like zombies. In fact, I wonder if some of these rabid followers of the Dropout aren't just that, some kind of horrific zombie.
"Che" goes by the name of a Marxist Revolutionary and doesn't even know it. Don't expect him to comprehend something as abstract as the Constitutional Right. He wouldn't recognize one if he tripped over it. Just because he believes the numbers being generated by a macro or script is only typical of a cross-threaded right wing nut.
Che,You must be a troll.
I don't think 101,000 people read the Gazette
Typical vote rigging by the GOP
The poll has been taken over by Dropout Walker and his minions. He thinks that no one will notice.
LOL, lol!!!!! The poll numbers are rigged like Wall Street and the numbers in our 401k's! No one knows what to believe except it's all the union's fault or Obama's, that's what the rigged corporate media sock puppets know for sure. LOL.
At least they aren't stupid morons like the believers in the GOP.
They are like an Obama Promise, full on talk, little on substance.
Very true, woodchuck. It is good to see people, all ages of people involved in OWS. Seeing the young people involved is very heartening. It shows that they are aware that something is wrong, very wrong.
OWS is doing a great service by shining a light on our banking system so the rest of us can finally understand what's going on. It's NOT a right/left democrat/republican thing. We are, almost all of us, part of the 99%. We've been getting ripped off for generations, our standard of living is in decline, and we're not going to take it anymore!
How about we quit sniping at each others political parties and look through the smokescreen from both sides and see the real problems with our country today.Check this out and actually do something instead of just talking like all the people we have elected to do something that just blame, fingerpoint and TALK!http://www.getmoneyout.com/
It looks like both sides are stuffing the ballot box on this one. That is way too many voters for one of these polls.
Ha-ha-ha. The same thing happened to another poll here that favored "the people." It flipped in a matter of minutes. The last time I vied this it was 50-15-35. The hacked poll here reflects Wall Street. One big giant scam.
Someone with a lot of time on their hands and an obsession has learned about proxy servers, I see.
Onedayatatime: Your post of Oct. 20 at 5:08 p.m. is spot on. Thank you for sharing.
I, too, am worried about the future of our country. Some people say they don't care, they aren't interested or don't have the time. Those are all just excuses. Everyone needs to become informed.
no13409.."all of you were much more educated on the actual issues at hand." Take your own advice. Believe me, I'm very educated on this subject. If you had studied history you would find that history is repeating itself. We've already had first hand experience with what happens when restrictions on Wall Street are lifted. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/... As soon as the GLS Act was repealed Wall Street went right back to the same exact practices that caused the 1929 crash. You are truly wearing rose colored glasses if you believe the maket is "free". The current rules that now apply to Wall Street allow the market to be manipulated so that the average investor might lose their lifes savings because of what some hedge fund manager does, while the BIG investors risk relatively nothing. My lifes savings is a drop in the bucket to them. The current economic mess is a direct result of that deregulation.It would be a wonderful world if the market were truly free and and everyone did the right thing and there was no greed or thirst for power, but that is not the real world. We need to live in reality, we need regulation.It just baffles me that conservatives accuse liberals of drinking kool-aid. Wall street has collasped world economies. It terrifies me to think what they would do with no restrictions!!!
I wish after reading these comments,that all of you were much more educated on the actual issues at hand.I wish you could take the time and apply the effort to investigate why we are in this predicament.It's truly time to get past the red flag blue flag mentality and study history.Capitolism is far and away the best economic system there is.A risk and reward system that,when unrestricted by an agenda based political body,gives everybody the opportunity to fail or succeed.Everybody reading this,under a true,unrestricted free market system has the ability to be rich beyond their wildest dreams,if that is what you desire.Just bear in mind that everything in life has a cost.On the other hand,no effort or sacrifice equals no reward.Be who you want but don't ask your neighbors to carry your water if you can't keep up.So quit being played by the slight of hand politicians,quit waiting for somebody else to fix your problems.A true American does it his own self.
totellthetruth....What in the heck does the State that I am in have to do with a story about a national movement? I have just upgraded your level of goofiness to 9.
These protesters at OWS look and act like the same ones who were at the Capitol in Madison!
NoPatience, if all you can take away from the protest is one incedent of pooing in public, you have no interest in listening, and you're a lemming to right wing media.
I'd be more willing to listen to them and support them if they spoke something other than drum. Pooping in public... not the best way to get your message across. I wish Phish would just go on tour already so these dingdongs would go somewhere else. P.S. The rampant anti-semitism? Wrong, and needs to be denounced by their "leaders".
sonofrichard44, you can't even define what you think their aims are (those are not all the same thing). The real question is why people like you wholeheartedly support unrestricted capitalism, when it hasn't been very kind to many Americans. It's pretty hollow asking people to support an economic system that steals their life savings in the blink of an eye, pulls their home out from under them, and leaves their career blowing in the dust -- and then they're told it's their fault. A lot of us just want the kind of capitalism that the US had for most of the 20th century, with some pretty basic bank regulations that return their primary responsibility to protecting customer assets, not shareholder profits. I know, I'm a complete radical for suggesting that.
Know and understand what your Plutocrat wants to do to the American way of life. After all, they do know what is best for you.http://alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed...
Oops! I meant to say Republicans.
helge1939: The problem is that our representatives, both rebulicans and democrats, are bought and paid for by big money. We need to separate our representatives from big money and our representatives should be representing us.
Every one should make a good wage the ones you need to be mad @ are those elected to office They are the ones that do not seem to get itThey play their games & keep getting paid big bucks for just flapping their jaw
It looks like Janesville's usually silent majority is speaking loudly in this poll. Power to the people!! The corporations keep getting richer and the people keep getting poorer, yet many believe that this is the way things should be. There is no accounting for ignorance.
How can anybody support a Marxist/Communist/Socialist/Anarchist Revolutionary movement like the one that is happening on Wall Street and all over the world. Granted that most of the people there are students who are being used. However, the students do have an argument of their own. They say that they're student debt is too high. Yah...and? They want the 1% percent to pay for their debt. First of all nobody forced you to take out a loan to pay for school. And secondly get off the streets, go get a job, and, in the president's words, "quit grublin, quit cryin!" These supposedly, "college educated" are to stupid to realize that they are standing next to RADICAL REVOLUTIONARIES in this movement. Many of these radicals are the same people that were students during the 60's. They need to wise up and get out!!
I support the "need" to protest, but the protest is falling on deaf ears. It doesn't matter if a million people "occupy wall street" the so called 1% are going to keep on making money the same way they have for years as long as the "laws" allow them to do so.
@helge...The on going problem is that people no longer make the wages to save or invest. It is taking everything those who are employed are making, just to make ends meet. I myself took a 60% cut in pay, I'm working 1/2 again as many hours with less benefits. I'm just one of millions that this has happened to. I'm not looking for a hand out or anyone else's money. I, like the protestors, simply want to be paid a living wage so I can once again save and invest for my future. I cut my 401K contribution from 25 to 15% just so I could meet my monthly obligations, many others have also had to do this. You can't save what you don't have.
Hypocrites, who wear and use and live everyday with item stocks bought and sold on wallstreet.The age of dummy down democrats is at it's highest ever as more wall street money goes to Democrats then Republicans. More smoke and mirrors by the liberals who cater to the idiot followers. It's like the piped piper leading rats with musical notes. Good Stuff!
Mouse My money as well as other tax payor money The point being that some think those of us that save & invest our money to make more need to share it with those that do not save
Nice posts Pastafarian and onedayatatime.
Why do some think that others need to share their money with those that do not save & invest
Great posts. Tea Party members seem to forget that their first protests came about after the bailouts on Wall Street.
VERY INFORMATIVE, THANKS FOR THE LINK!http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesameric...
taysgranny...I posted this on another article but it applies here as well. This is not a conservative, liberal issue. Our government has been bought off for years, both parties equally. We've all been hurt by this. Please don't play into thier hands and allow them to further divide us. The protest in D.C. included Tea Party, Republicans, Democrats and Independents. Demanding the corruption on Wall Street and the buying of our government stop, is something we can all get behind. The people who control things don't want us to be united or informed. They lose power. Please don't give them anymore.People are not demanding handouts. They simply want the disfunctional government to do something to correct what has caused this mess and ruined many lives. "Go get a job"!!!! That's the whole fricken point, there are no jobs! Be careful using the moron term.
Pastafarian...I posted that link quite sometime ago. It's very enlightening. Unfortunately, the people who should read that the most are the same ones who are the most uninformed and insist on staying that way. It's an independent study which presents facts and statistical data which disproves most of what they believe to be true. Ignorance is bliss. I worry everyday about the future of this country and how uniformed and apathetic the people of this country have become. I bet that maybe 1 out of 50 people are watching the Republican debates.
Does at least ONE protester on Wall street realize that Wall Street is made up of Democratics? IF you say, "No it's NOT" then do your homework!!!
It's the blind leading the blind waiting for a handout. Whatever they do, do NOT go get a job. Just wait for someone to provide you with what you feel you are entitled to! Morons!
I don't remember if I got this link here or not. It does show what is happening now.http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesameric...
There is truth in the statement that there doesn't seem to be a specific or cohesive message coming from the protestors. People are angy about the symptoms without understanding the cause. I am a Production Engineer, part of my job is, when things go wrong, don't put a band-aid on the symptom, find the root cause and correct it. When I lost my job and 40% of my 401K I wanted to know what had changed since The Great Depression and the corrective measures that were put in place to ensure there would never be a stock market crash again. I researched it and found the root cause to be the repealing of the Glass Steagall Act. As soon as this law was repealed Wall Street returned to the exact same practices that caused the crash in 1929. It only took 9 years, 1999 to 2008. The banking industry spent 300 million dollars on lobbying between 1997 and 1999 to Repeal the GS Act with the passage of the Grahm,Leach, Blily Act.We need to protest but we also need to be informed. It doesn't help to achieve being taken seriously and getting our voices heard when idiots are walking around painted like zombies and wearing ridiculous costumes. Our politicians already think we are stupid and they can get anything by us, these people just reinforce that opinion. If we the people can get the Citizen's United and the Grahm, Leach, Blily Act repealed and the Glass Steagall reinstated, the conditions that allowed the current economic mess to happen will be eliminated.We will see a return to the economic boom of the 50's & 60's when the middle class grew and the economy thrived. The rules are now written so the money once again goes to the top, we need to do some editing!
whybesad 401k's are a redistribution of the wealth to the Plutocrats. Why do you think they lobbied Congress for them. It was to shed offering pensions to employees. This created a new financial market to exploit the workers. They give their money to Wall Street en-mass, that creates a bubble, The Plutocrats sell at the top, the bubble bursts, they make a killing,the workers are stuck. Wash, rinse, repeat.
what's the democat's job plan? throw money at it and hope for change?
Why bite the hand that feeds you? How many people do you know that have 401K's? That is protesting your retirement. Those stocks are made up of those evil corporations that you someday will rely on in your golden years.
Dead on posterguy. We are sliding closer and closer to third world status!! Don't forget what our own government did to the Kent state students.
We have a serious problem in our country. Wall Street power brokers and big banks and corporations, helped greatly by the US Supreme Court's Citizens United ruling, own our government through donations and lobbying. Let me be clear...both parties are at fault here. As has been pointed out in the news lately, President Obama has taken more donations from Wall Street than any other candidate.*The bottom line is, our political system is broken, and there isn't a politician running for or in office who isn't taking full advantage of the system in place. Until we can separate corporate money from politics, we'll never get out of the economic situation we're in.
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