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Nope...sure wouldnt now or if they moved.
Noisy, slow, unreliable, expensive pieces of metal. HD is prime example of why we "fell off" when it comes to the products we produce in this country. Honda and other companies produce similar products (in US and abroad) yet they have better ratings?? sorry im patriotic but not idiotic, if something similar has lower price but higher quality, needs less maintenance im buying that product untill my former product can keep up. Good luck hd...see ya on the flip side.
Victory Motorcycles, here I come
jvillerdr - Not sure what line you missed, but my posting was about the rights we have given up, yet we call ourselves the "Land of the Free".
I have seen people get seriously hurt and I have seen them sue and make millions off it. Did they deserve millions ? Not a chance.
Well,here I go,telling you the pure truth.You may like it,maybe not,I don't care.It's my opinion,I'm right,so sit back and listen up!We have allowed the unions,the rich,to dictate how we play the game far to long. Time we change,time we accept the rich aren't always the brightest beyond their given field.WI.,has got to supply cause for Harley to stay here.We cannot allow one more manufacturing job to head south.Not to Mexico,Argentina,not to Arizona.If you belong to the union at Harley,then stand up,tell your leaders enough!We,you,need jobs.Jobs that pay a fair wage for a fair days work.Not jobs where you're allowed to bring three newspapers in to read.Your at WORK!Not jobs with bennies far greater than the norm,but competitive.I've been complaining for 30+yrs. about how we're heading in the wrong direction,aren't you willing to listen yet?Lastly,hurray for ARIZONA!About time some got the nutz to stand up for AMERICAN RIGHTS! Wishes...
Some of the people here have it right, but others are totally brainwashed by the same old lines handed out by big business. If they save money on labor and other costs, it won't be coming back to the people of WI, in the form of higher wages or otherwise, and it won't convince them to stay here. Fanofun, you have no idea how many rights you do not have. If you get seriously injured someday, you will find that out.
Is it really any surprise that they would want to leave?WI ranks right up near the top as the most anti-business. The only real surprise to me, is that many other large companies still remain here. The only real reason can be attributed to tradition, and sentiment to workers. If it comes to bottom line, you are running out of this state as fast as you can load the trucks. Do the Art Modell; load up the trucks at midnight, lock the doors, put the sign on the door, and head off for the hills to relocate!
I wouldn't buy them even if they stayed in Wisconsin. I am indifferent to the product, but prefer the jobs to stay in Wisconsin. We can hardly take another large blow to the employed people in this state.
Just to add to my post, this goes for everything us Americans do. Are we really the land of the free ? Heck, my favorite color is blue, so ALL cars should be blue. I could get a group together to say red cars make people agressive, pink cars make people a hazard, black cars make people evil..etc...Like the chicken debate...OMG..really ? If someone wants a chicken on THEIR property, that THEY pay taxes on, that they are responsibile for, let them have a chicken. Again "Land of the Free" ? Really ? Is a chicken going to take away from your investment anymore than a neighbor with a rabid, attack cat ?? Talk with your neighbor, work with your neighbor, instead of trying to control your neighbor.
I used to live in Europe and found out we aren't "The Land of the Free". We restrict each other sooooo much because it's not what "I" want. Stop worrying about "I" and look at us = Americans. Look what we are doing to ourselves. We are pushing jobs and companies right out of our own backyards, our State, and our Country because of "I". People complaining "I'm not doing that, that isn't my job"....guess what they are finding other countries that will do it and cheaper.
We better wake up as a society and see what we are doing to ourselves. Instead of "I", we better look at US. And start accepting others and their likes and wants. Instead of we need to protect ourself, we need to protect our country from ourselves. Do more things for the PRIDE and PLEASURE of it, then for more money, more this, more that. Stop being greedy and selfish before WE become the third world country.
fanoffun10- You're right about the sue-happy people in the U.S. I am going to sue McDonalds because I bought a Happy Meal from them and it failed to elevate my spirits.
This is all of our faults, that companies move out of the state and some out of our country.
We have ALLOWED society to sue for anything and everything. Attorneys have sued to the point where every little, tiny, safety issue to every little, tiny whiner has complained about has made companies spend trillions on legal fees and implementing safety precautions for infant minded, sue happy adults. Companies are paying an arm and leg just to protect themselves from sue happy "I got a splinter in my finger" type people. And we have allowed people to push these through the courts. We are all guilty of driving these companies out.
Now I know some safety issues are legit. But people, we can't place ourselves in a bubble and blame employers EVERYTIME something puts us at risk of injuries. Truck drivers don't stop driving because someone COULD cut them off and kill them. They don't demand more money for the risk they take. But look at an industrial job. There are so many safety restrictions just to do a simple task. Yes, people are safer. But look back in US history. We kicked butt and turned out the greatest products. There was so much pride in that product, by that employee. NOW, it's just a job and they best treat me good or I'm out of here. Guess what ? Now the companies are using your own lines on you. Stop demanding, complaining, suing, and just work !!! Geez
916WI, the marketing HD does is what is keeping them in business right now. Unfortunately, the sales are slacking as to be expected since most of the HD's are overpriced. Their marketing of mass merchandise is a fine example of great advertising and marketing. I just wish Honda did 1/2 of the marketing HD has done and they would be doing good as well. Personally, I think Honda going into the V-twin market full force is a mistake trying to immitate HD, but if HD goes under, Honda will benefit from it for sure.
I wouldn't buy one anyway, sorry
br549 - the answer is power. No one pays millions of dollars to make 400k. To be the figurehead of the most powerful nation on the planet? That's a different story.
If this stinkin state did not have such high taxes, these companies would stay.
Only in America, where the richest companies on the planet complain about taxes that they don't really pay, get subsidies, incentives and other bribes to keep them in the country that made them what they are, and they still have the gall to behave like children that don't get their way.
see_bass - This is what I don't get. The companies have to leave WI due to high "Corporate Taxes". But they don't have a problem with overpaying their executives?? And, are these legitimate complaints or is it, in essence, a slight bit of extortion?? .By the way, I do know we have higher corporate taxes than a lot of states.
News - I agree with you 100%. Companies should have justification for firing or letting someone go.
Harley is in serious trouble regardless of where they move. From what I've seen, it's becoming more and more embarrassing to be associated with the "lifestyle" that Harley markets to their customers. They have an aging customer base and their only two inroads into a younger market(MV Agusta and Buell) they killed off........The latter was killed off in a way that sparked a serious amount of bitterness and resentment that alienated an entire segment of riders. Good luck Harley--you're going to need it.....
Maybe AMF can bail them out.
5cents49, you state no one blames the CEO of HD making 6 million a year, but I certainly do! I know of a few companies CEO's who take everything they can for themselves and get free mansion homes to live in, etc. paid for by the company. Don't you think they could take say a 5 million dollar pay cut to help out the company who pampers them? It is also a combination of the state of WI, probably more so in Mlwk., that the taxes and cost of doing business is much too high as well and also unions are too blame also asking for the sky and not looking out for the basic common workers needs, not extravagant desires. So, NO ONE person or thing is too blame for HD's demise!
I don't blame the unions; I blame the High Corporate Taxes, if you want these businesses to stay cut taxes.
Everyone is blameing the unions and the high cost of labor in this state for every plant closing. What, is there something wrong with making a decent wage? No one blames the company CEO's that make $6 million a year in wages and bonuses!!! Come on, give me a break. It's corporate greed that is ruining not only this state, but this country as well. The President of the United States makes a little over $400,000, and he's got a much more important job. I don't understand how they expect people making $6 an hour to buy $30,000+ vehicles and still feed and put a roof over the heads of their families.
I voted no not because I cannot afford HD's and I do own a Honda cycle, but because I wouldn't buy a HD whether or not the company stayed in WI or moved outside of the state. Could care less about HD's, but do feel sorry for the many employees' getting the ax or soon to be cut. They are overpriced bikes for what you get, but if someone wants to spend more money to get a HD, I have no problem with what other people do with their money. I try to buy the best vehicle whether cycles, cars, or trucks for the best bang for my buck and that suit my needs.
Oh for crying out loud. Out of Wisconsin no I wouldn't stop buying their product if it was something I was in to. Out of the USA most definately would stop purchasing product if it was something I was in to. If they move operations to another country I would speak out against them.
Wonder how many of the "NO" votes don't own a bike to begin with?
For those unaware what Wisconsin politicians did toward companies, do a search for combined reporting. This new "revenue source" aimed at business' cost Harley Davidson $22.5 million... It is anti-business practices like these that drive companies out of Wisconsin.
A very large portion of Harlys customers are Union Employees. They can kiss some of that business goodbye, and I don't think it would be in their best interest to do that.
It doesn't matter how much money you throw at them, they will still leave. The only difference being, if you give them the money they will use it in another country. GM did it. The first chunk of money they got, they turned around and dumped $1 billion into Brazil. That was our money we gave them. Why are there not rules in place that if we give you money you have to spend it here? It was our money! You want a bailout...fine, but you have to use to here to create jobs and better your operations here.
Darwin said it all! Its amazing how time after time it is ALWAYS the union's fault, and noone ever has a problem with how grossly overpaid our CEOs and executives are in this country. If these college educated CEOs and executives are so smart, why don't they earn at least part of their overinflated compensation by figuring out a way to cut costs besides screwing over their workforce. I never went to college a day in my life, and even I can figure out that cheaper labor cuts costs for a business, but it doesn't make it right, there are other ways. Amazing these fools went to school for many years and still cant figure out anything better. They really get paid that much to get to make elementary decisions like this?!?! Only in America!
Companies are run by managers not unions. Germany is highly unionized but only recently became the worlds second largest exporter next to low wage, low safety China. If companies aren't profitable it is because management is inefficient or incompetent or both. Moving to where labor costs are cheaper is merely a short term fix for a structural problem that will come back.
One of the first things to correct is to make Wisconsin a "Right-to-Work" state. Unions are ruining Wisconsin.
I can't afford their products either, but it would be a huge loss for WI. I'm just getting tired of companies throwing the "I'm moving my business if you don't give me major incentives" card. Its out and out corporate welfare that the middle class ends up paying for in taxes.
If I could afford it, I would. I can't blame Harley because it's so expensive to be in business in Wisconsin. Unfortionately, I think this is just the first of many more to come.
I like how you blame all of those people without giving specific reasons. I for one am going to blame Asian Carp, just because I don't like them. I don't care if it doesn't make any logical sense, because I'm so frustrated with them that I refuse to believe the problem could be caused by anything else.
Once again: Thanks Gov.Doyle, Paul Ryan, Mike Sheridan, and the list goes on. Who in their right mind would want start or continue running a business in this state? Harley wants to move to a non union state to try and remain profitable and, can you blame them. Look what Mike Sheriden and the U.A.W. 95 did for Janesville.!!!
I would but I already have a nice bike. I mean, GM is no longer in Janesville and I still buy GM.
I can't afford their products as it is...
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