Fear certainly likes to hear himself talk. It's simply fasinating to see how "low informed" the left really is.

Obama a truth teller? Really? You can't possibly be that low informed if you think that.

Even the very liberal New York Times has said Obama is losing the debate on the economy while his approval rating drops even further.

10 million fewer votes for Obama in 2012. They didn't go to Romney, they just didn't vote. SAD

fear....feel better?

More hypocrisy from the fearfulrhetoricmachine complaining about a single radio host and single cable because they lean in opposition to your politics while you posts links from liberal sites. Typical retorts of spewing nonsense over blah blah and blah blah, never offering anything other than left fringe talking points and nothing original....yawn.

As opposed to the party that you follow donnaw? Find me a politician on either side that lies less than half the time? Rush may be an "entertainment" radio show but he is certainly the head of the conservative movement in America. Like it or not he is the spinner of most that is right wing politics in this nation and lies pretty much all the time. Pick our poison? Ill take Obama over the lyingright wing rhetoric spinners anyday. Conservative politics has a 24-7 infomercial for you to repeat, its called Fox News. The Republican Party is deeming itself more irrelavant each day, and they are doing it on their own. I am starting to believe that they will never see a presidency in my lifetime, Im 37.
Their positions are almost complete and total zimplistic BS, and they are not reflective of the demographics of this nation. They love calling themselves fiscal conservatives, but NONE of them practice what they preach. All politicians spend money its just a matter of on whaat. unfortunately all of the simple minded Tea Party followers and Conservatives, seem to think that Right wingers woill cutr spending. Politicians all spend tax dollars its what they do, its just on THEIR interests , THEIR donors. Scott Walker has proven that to be true.
Anopther laughable thing lost in all the HILARIOUS labels used by Repubs as some kind of way out of this situation, is their aparent understanding of mathematics. I love all of the budget rhetoric, all of the dont spend taxdollars garbage, and yet what happens right here ion Wisconsin? Spending is UP. They also are going to lower taxes in the face of higher spending? Al;l this time walker told ou we were broke, guess that was another line of garbage you bought.

Here is a fact about Wisconsin. Budget was never balanced, never was. Our 3 BILLION dollar structural defecit still exists after ALL of the hot air put forth by the Repubs? What I want to know is when will conservatives stop blaming Democrats for all if the shortcomings of their own representation? When will the partty of personal responsibility , hold their leaders personall responsible?

Best article I have read in awhile , JSonline has an article talking about the low chances of Ron Jon's tough re-election bid. Get the nincompoops out, I am all for smart conservatives, ie Mark Green. Instead we elect clowns like Walker and Johnson? Wisconsin has been duped by reall stupid people and should be ashamed.

oneday....your problem is that you are comparing a radio show host in the entertainment industry with the president of the United States, who by the way you admit lies 27% of the time.

donnaw..no not like Obama. Obama is rated as not telling the truth 27% of the time. That's a big difference from 94%. Oh, I forgot you have difficulty with math.

The world has thrived on the free enterprise not communism, socialism, or government bureaucracies.

Classic from this admin over the healthcare fiasco known as obamacare, "Henry Chao, an official at the Centers for Medicaid and Medicare Services who is overseeing the technology of the exchanges said at a recent conference. “Let’s just make sure it’s not a third-world experience.”"

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obamacare-...

From the wacko land of left wing rhetoric here is today's dose of fantasy spin; "Look to Chadd, the Sudan and Haiti to understand where conservatism, free market, small government principles gets you. Somalia is a good example of what libertarianism will get you"

If it wasn't for risk taking entrepreneurs you wouldn't have food stamps.

Look to Chadd, the Sudan and Haiti to understand where conservatism, free market, small government principles gets you. Somalia is a good example of what libertarianism will get you. It is Ryan and the rest of the corporate whores in government that is driving the country's race to the bottom.
My hope is American will be strong enough to survive the tea party clowns trying to bring down our government.

oneday....you mean like Obama?

This is what the left fringe in this country want to drive our healthcare system toward...through ignorance.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QNBzJ60a...

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/...

http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/NHS...

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-02-0...

http://www.itv.com/news/central/story/20...

This last is one of the "leaders" picked by Obama to run obamacare...he praised the UK health system...

You people who keep repeating "low information voter" probably had never head the term before Rush Limbaugh. It's kind of ironic that people who now keep repeating this are the low informed . Anyone who believes a word RB says is really not informed. Why would anyone believe one word from a person who has been proven to lie 94% of the time. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/...

fearandrhetoric4dummies, Can't you just say the word "affordable" will be redefined in the future? No need for all the previous spiel.

""Look to Cyprus to understand where liberalism and a socialist Government gets you. Then look to Greece, then look to Spain, etc.

America under Obama isn't that far behind these failing countries.""

FALSE, LIES, RHETORIC. You seriously need to stop. Ask Paul Ryan how close we really are. You, similar to your Fox New overlords have offered nothing. No solutions, other than labels and lies. It seems to me that you have been Hannitized.

http://www.politicususa.com/paul-ryan-tr...

http://www.politicususa.com/republican-p...

now go do your own research.

3.There are few methods for controlling rising costs in private insurance in the U.S. In running their business, private health insurers continually face a choice between asking health care providers to contain their costs or passing on higher costs to patients in higher premiums. Many of them find it hard to do the former.

2. They are flexible in responding if they think certain costs are exceeding what they budgeted for. In Japan, if spending in a specific area seems to be growing faster than projected, they lower fees for that area. Similarly, in France an organization called CNMATS closely monitors spending across all kinds of services and if they see a particular area is growing faster than they expected (or deem it in the public interest), they can intervene by lowering the price for that service. These countries also supplement lowering fees with other tools. For example, they monitor how many generic drugs a physician is prescribing and can send someone from the insurance fund to visit physicians' offices to encourage them to use cheaper generic drugs where appropriate. In comparison, U.S. payment rates are much less flexible. They are often statutory and Medicare cannot change the rates without approval by Congress. This makes the system very inflexible for cost containment.

France and Japan demonstrate that it is possible to have cost-containment at the same time as paying physicians using similar tools to those used in the U.S. There are three key things that stand out when you compare these countries to the U.S.:

1.They use a common fee schedule so that hospitals, doctors and health services are paid similar rates for most of the patients they see. In the U.S., how much a health care service gets paid depends on the kind of insurance a patient has. This means that health care services can choose patients who have an insurance policy that pays them more generously than other patients who have lower-paying insurers, such as Medicaid

Pearson: Whether measured relative to its population or its economy, the United States spends by far the most in the world on health care.

The U.S. spent $8,233 on health per person in 2010. Norway, the Netherlands and Switzerland are the next highest spenders, but in the same year, they all spent at least $3,000 less per person. The average spending on health care among the other 33 developed OECD countries was $3,268 per person.

Not to mention those AWFUL socialitst nations outperform the United States in almost EVERY statistic. Life expectancy, infant mortality, EVERY SINGLE ONE.

The U.S. is a very rich country, but even so, it devotes far more of its economy -- 17.6 percent of GDP in 2010 -- to health than any other country. The Netherlands is the next highest, at 12 percent of GDP, and the average among OECD countries was almost half that of the U.S., at 9.5 percent of GDP.

Let me help you out:
Health-care costs grew slower than the rest of the economy in 2011 for the first time in more than a decade. For health policy analysts, that’s huge: When they try to get really aggressive on controlling costs, they usually aim for cost growth that is 1 percent higher than the rest of the economy.

That’s the target for Medicare cost growth in the Affordable Care Act. If costs grow any faster, it triggers the Independent Payment Advisory Board, or IPAB, to make binding recommendations to Congress on the best way to hit that target.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonk...

MATHEMATICS, ARITHMATIC, STATISTICS

NOT RHETORIC, CATCHPHRASES, OPINION POLLS

Stop watching Fox News

More rhetoric and OPINION polls, really?
Could you please point out a politician that has kept anywhere near all of their promises?
Just one, Ill wait..........
Scott Walker keeping his promises?
Repeat, repeat , repeat.

I would ask you to look at world health statistics when pissing and moanoing about Obama care. You will see tht socilized health care systems outperform the United States in both cost and effectiveness. But I am sure in all of your research that includes Opinion polls and rhetorical attacks on other countries and their syatems you have found that hhavent you?
The fact of the matter is this, you are a low information voter. You speak in catchphrases and rhetoric. If that gives you peace good for you, buut it doesn't make your Opinion polls any more factual that mathematics could easily point out for you.
You are a subjective person with axes to grind. While I try to be objective and look into actual facts. You want to use terms like socialism to try and make hollow points. If you actually do some research you will find that when you put aside rhetoric and emotion, the captalistic system of health care is the biggest failure on planet Earth. I am not a fan of Obama care BUT if it helps to bring down cost(it is, FACT) and gets people care that were denied it before, then I am all for anything that gets us closer to a single payer system. If that makes me a Socialist in your book, than so be it. I would rather be a Socialist than whatever it is you call yourself.

Anyone that doenst believe that health care should be a human right is less than human.

Look to Cyprus to understand where liberalism and a socialist Government gets you. Then look to Greece, then look to Spain, etc.

America under Obama isn't that far behind these failing countries.

My hope, is as a Capitalist country, American will be strong enough to survive Obama.
The survey shows there is still hope. REAL HOPE in her people.

I'll add the country was not going well in January 20, 2009 and Barack Obama the candidate made a lot of promises he has since not kept and revealed himself as someone not who he said.
10 million fewer people voted for Obama in 2012, not just me.
The problems for Republicans are they did not vote for them as well as 3 million fewer for Romney then McCain.

They simply did not vote. That's how discouraged Americans are right now.

I was a "low information" voter. Meaning, did not pay much attention and only caught a few ads as I don't watch a lot of television. Only you on the left make the jump of welfare as typical.

Obamacare made me pay attention, then the Madison Occupy. I started investigating, and getting involved and asking a lot of questions of Cullen and Feingold and Ryan.
The Democrats are not who I thought I was voting for and Republican reflect more of my idea of freedom and liberty. And it doesn't come at the hands of my Government as you liberals/socialist want.

Oh Fear, how you go on and on.

Pulse Opinion Research asked respondents to choose between two different budget approaches without their being identified with a particular party.

Only 28 percent of those surveyed went for a plan similar to that presented by Senate budget chairman Patty Murray last week, which would raise taxes by $1 trillion, add $100 billion in infrastructure spending, and reduce the deficit but not wipe it out.

The vast majority picked a plan similar to the one offered by House budget chairman Paul Ryan: Trimming federal spending by $5 trillion, not raising taxes, and reaching a balanced budget at the end of a decade.

Research further showed 57% preferred Republican ideas. An astounding 40% were surprised they did not agree with Democrats.

And it's Bowlgal as in Super Bowl, Salad Bowl, etc.
Filth only makes your words weak and discredited as a level of immaturity.

And if you want to post as more then one person, don't use the same ridiculous comebacks.

Inform yourself....PLEASE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuyrBRUsu...

Greed as defined by the informed among us:
Timothy D. Cook, Apple
Compensation: $378 million
Corporate profits (2010-11): +85%
Stock gain/loss (2010-11): +34%

Most all products.......made in China

David M. Zaslav, Discovery Communications
Compensation: $52.4 million
Corporate profits: +80%
Stock gain/loss: -2%

Michael S. Jeffries, Abercrombie & Fitch
Compensation: $46.6 million
Corporate profits: -16%
Stock gain/loss: -7%

Rupert Murdoch, News Corporation
Compensation: $29.3 million
Corporate profits: +18%
Stock gain/loss: +49%

Ian M. Cumming, Leucadia National
Compensation: $29.3 million
Corporate profits: -99%
Stock gain/loss: -21%

Gregory W. Cappelli, Apollo Group
Compensation: $25.1 million
Corporate profits: NA
Stock gain/loss: +10%

Lloyd C. Blankfein, Goldman Sachs
Compensation: $16.2 million
Corporate profits: -67%
Stock performance: -45%

John T. Chambers, Cisco Systems
Compensation: $12.9 million
Corporate profits: -16%
Stock performance: -30%

Robert L. Antin, VCA Antech
Compensation: $12.1 million
Corporate profits: -13%
Stock performance: -15%

Any questions?

""Greed is a word the left uses as code for "working hard" and "doing well" and not being government dependent.""

Oh really? Is that what it is? More stinky BSNONSENSE. ou really make it too easy.

Greed to me is.....wages falling while corporate profits RISING to record levels. I know you would lOVE to blame that on Obama but it is much more complex than your friends Hannity and Rush would help you to believe.

The people that you and so many low indformation voters like you love to degrade as takers, or welfare cases are the hardest working in society working 3 and 4 jobs to make ends meat and taking Medicaid because in the new America created by the Neo-cons you have to choose between rent and dctor bills. Millions of Americans work their Arses off and get nothing for it, never used to be that wa before all of you well informed Fox viewers decided that Unions were the bad ones helping to provide higher wages and benefits for a larger number of people.

Bwol you are a PERFECT example of why this country is spiraling away. ou watch too much TV and listen to too much radio and do not truly inform yourself. I would continue but you wouldnt get it.

you must be a miserable person, I feel sorry for you, I really do.

wiggle
Mar 22, 2013 at 8:28 a.m
Hey, mouse if you're going to stick with wiggle and you are losing on the discussion you might not want to revert to your "I'm a rich guy" Bros Koch routine.

wiggle and fear having trouble contolling themselves it seems.

(This comment was fearandrhetoricked by the site staff)

As a proud "middle-skill" worker, I do not have the ambition to run a company. I work hard and play hard. Live for the weekends.

But I'll leave you with Liberal logic 101--

Unionize all the low/middle skill workers so they earn $2.00 more per hour - then pay union membership of $5.00 per hour.

Thumbs up fat cat union liberals!

I promise you all to vote Republican in the future to help grow the economy and provide opportunities for everyone.

Greed is a word the left uses as code for "working hard" and "doing well" and not being government dependent.

Greed is a word the left uses not for Unions who take advantage of the hard working folks or politicians who vote themselves a pay raise.

Priorities.

Thank you wiggle *mouse* for proving my point.

I applaud the person making the Sub Sandwich and applaud the person who helped me at Ace Hardware and I applaud the person who checked out my grocery cart at Woodmans

I applaud you all for working really hard with not much gratefulness from the left and not collecting the Government hand out they have made it so easy for you to obtain.

Thank you!

Yes Fear, I did vote for Obama in 2008. I also voted for Clinton twice. The Democrat party is not who they present themselves to be. All you have to do is educate yourself and look to your own values of freedom.

There are about 20% that believe in full government takeovers and control of their lives.

But a recent survey suggests most Americans believe in what the Republican party stands for.

Until they hear the word "Republican"
The Democrat propaganda machine has done a very good job of demonizing the word Republican.

Many of those same people then don't educate themselves on what the Democrat party has become. Or always has been. I just didn't know it either until a couple of years ago.

I realize it's hard for those on the left to respect people who really work hard for the jobs no matter what level they may be at. Skilled or unskilled. Everyone starts somewhere. The beautiful thing that still exists in America (even under Obama's failed leadership) is you can go anywhere and do anything you want if you want it bad enough.

Yes, even you wiggle with your pour comprehension of getting names correct.

Bowlgal- for the win in America the beautiful.

Go out and earn some money today. Don't take it from the taxpayers as you sit behind your computer posting under various alias.

Good, I can see I've struck a nerve in the posters who may be one in the same as their intolerance invokes such rage they can't spell my name properly.
Yes, that makes your arguement more affective..namecalling.. good job on that.
Typical blue fist mentality.

So in other words what I address you as on these boards isnt up to you. Its up to me and my FREEDOM to say what I wish, even if you dont like it. So will it be Darlene or Wislady?

BTW the fact that you call for my posts to be pulled is even funnier because they almost NEVER are!! So I guess you onl believe in the Second Amendment, not the first.
I have never requested a comment be pulled on these boards, never will. Freedom of speech should at least exist in an anonymous blog, should it not?

To the POSTER who would like me to use her REAL fake name as opposed to the name I call her:

If you want respect, stop being so condescending and ridiculously shallow with your points. If you keep contending that Republicans are the answers to all the worlds problems and Democrats are the cause, I will call you Darlene, because that is who I picture you to be. I believe that you , unlike many who post nonsense rhetoric that hold the same belief system as you do, have the ability to discuss an issue without sounding like a cave"person". what is unfortunate is that you choose to be condescending and downright rude to those who disagree with your stance.
I feel I must come back at you and risicule our points, because when you are ridiculous and mean you must be and WILL be talked down to just like you talk down to others.
I personally could care less if you don't like being called a different fake name because frankly you irritate me. Like I irritate many on these boards. I am called names all the time, do I care? NO!! why would I this is a FAKE discussion forum, with fake names.

If you want to engage in a reasonable discussion in a resonable way I am always game. If ou choose to blame one tribe for everything while propping yyour tribe up as the Saviors of the world than I will continue to label you darlene. After thousands of contentious rude posts, I am happy to see that you are so thin skinned. Now you know how you make others feel. ou caim to be a God fearing woman, maybe you should read the teaciungs of Jesus before posting. I am not God fearing, I fear no one, I fear nothing, yet I know of the teachings of Jesus and what it takes to be a decent human being, because I am one. I will continue to be my entire life. You want respect form me and others , give it back.

As for GM and their profits, google it genius. I have many friends that work at GM, I know what they got. Of course it's no where near what the bankers got as bonuses while laying off thousands of their mankind, oops sorry, minions. But enough to enjoy a nice spring break with the family.
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"profit is only a good word if it is made by the unions and not actual business owners who actually provide the jobs."
Good Lord you need some sunshine honey!!
Unions are a business, what business doesn't want to make a profit, Duh. Insurance companies make billions denying life saving treatments, Anyone who thinks that's just fine is ..... I can't think of a word that won't get my comment 'removed'. Greedy doesn't even touch it.
Unions would not be needed if big business cared about the minions MAKING the profit. Greed- the root of all that's evil.

Profit...the bottom line.

geld uber alles...

Tea Party values...money and profit above all.

People only factor in with regard to what their potential/actual earning power for the corporations profit.

Profit...what profit is there to ones soul from paper masquerading as gold?

Any paycheck should be a good paycheck. Unless you are a leftist who doesn't want to lose their voter base of government handouts. Face it lefties. Profit is a good word.

GM? for lefties/mouszis, profit is only a good word if it is made by the unions and not actual business owners who actually provide the jobs.

This is too classic left wing nonsense.

People on the right can deny class warfare all they want but this is such an blatant example of it even a totally blind person should be able to see it. Granted, many people do like to work with their hands at skilled trades, that is their choice. What about the many who would rather go to a four year college or further but cannot afford to. How many of the middle skill people will be able to earn enough to send their children to a 4 year college if that is what they want? A lack of education creates persistently poor underclasses to fill these low wage jobs. All you righties keep preaching it is the dems who practice plantation politics and are keeping people down but yet, right here thrown in your face, you are being told yourself or your children are relegated to a certain level of education and wage earning ability. It's the Dems who want to make higher education available to all who want it and it is the Republicans that are saying this is all you deserve. How many CEO's do you think have less than a 4 year degree?

Huge bonus at GM? Really wiggle? I'd like to see that article.
Tell me, when do they plan on paying me back. Jane Q Taxpayer?

WOW

wiggle, I would expect no less then that communist anti-capitalism tone. People don't go into business to not make a profit. If they all provided insurance before Obamacare it now cost them nearly 150% more after.
Who would even stay in business? Why don't we all just close up shop and allow the government to run everything. They've done such a great job so far with Amtrak and the Postal Service and the 2 dozen green energy flops they've wasted our money on.
Wow, I'd love to talk to your employer.

wiggle...apparently you didn't read $35,000 OR MORE AND 14% PAY $75,000 OR MORE. A persons success, either with a four year degree or a two year degree depends on their work ethic and habits, and their ambition. Starting wages anywhere are just that....starting wages, not the ceiling. $35,000 a year comes out to about $17/ hour. That's not a bad wage. And you are doing a disfavor to people who do support themselves on that. If both spouses work that can doubled. Many people with BS degrees would be happy for that salary to start out with and understand that they have to start somewhere.

blow-"Of course we've endured her union spew with little reference to how the union with no conscience just takes the money of those hard working Americans and redistributes it to the Democrats"
Not sure if your talking about me or someone else but.... where do I begin.
Unions take dues and provide a decent wage with benefits for a worker. If the worker does not want to pay a small fee to ensure he is paid a decent wage with benefits (ex- a GMer) then he does not have to keep that job does he? He is free to go work for a non-union company then complain about how over paid a union worker is. Talk the talk about union wages putting a company in financial stress and I'll laugh at your ignorance.
GM for example- got a bail out as did the banks, GM turned the company around and kept darn near every employee that wanted a job. The banks - they handed out thousands of pink slips and multi-million dollar bonuses. GM made a nice profit this year - and guess what? The employees got bonuses thanks to the union. If any person working at GM feels giving a few bucks to the ones that made it possible to earn a good wage and collect part of the profits, they are free to go work at a non union company and make chump change and watch all the profits spent on a lavish lifestyle for the owner who would rather cut their hours than provide health care.

I read the story donna, 35,000 is not going to support a family. 62% of factory jobs are low paying. I come from a family of factory workers. That's why I went to college, picked a profession, worked my way up, now I own my own company. I've seen what being a 'master' is like, I make 3 times that, in a short period of time. My few employees make a very good wage, I share 50% of my profits with them. I am NOT a republican and pay them dirt rate and keep every cent they help my company make.
Blow- " about going nowhere jobs, look no further then Obamacare and Obama/Democrat policies.
It has created an environment of few jobs in general but specifically part time jobs. People with full time employment cut to less then 40 years, people with jobs laid-off to keep under 50 employees."
There you have it a perfect example of greedy republicans. The multi-millionaire owner would rather make a possible middle class employee, a low class employee than to part with the price of health care premiums. Greed - plain and simple.
Most people do want to 'earn a buck and feel self worth'. But how does someone feel when their boss pays them peanuts then cuts their hours so they don't have to pay for health ins for their minions?

fearandrhetoric4dummies

Ever since the John Doe and the arrest of Darlene Wink, you have continued to refer to me as "Darlene". I have asked numerous times for you to stop, and I have asked your comments be removed on occasion. I have never been arrested, even for a minor offense. Please stop referring to me as "Darlene", or should I refer to you as Brett Hulsey or Gordon Hintze?

"I could actually agree with Darlene and Ezoner IF the American dream was available to hard working blue collar workers."

Of course we've endured her union spew with little reference to how the union with no conscience just takes the money of those hard working Americans and redistributes it to the Democrats.

Believe in the American people and not the government.

If wiggle wants to talk about going nowhere jobs, look no further then Obamacare and Obama/Democrat policies.
It has created an environment of few jobs in general but specifically part time jobs. People with full time employment cut to less then 40 years, people with jobs laid-off to keep under 50 employees.

When the hardships start hitting wiggle (mouse, yada, Brotherkoch) she'll perhaps understand the value of good paying jobs filled by hard working people who value self worth and accomplishment in earning a buck.

wiggle...did you even read the last part of the article? Read the second to last paragraph that talks about how those in middle skilled jobs can earn as much or more than some with college degrees.

The elite educrat/money complex wants everyone in line paying for a "degree" whether the payor gets anything out of it or not...This is exactly why those not intending to get a "degree" have been looked down upon for decades and generally kicked to the curb by the public school establishment.
They have suckered tens of thousands of people into "education" debt with no plans for those people to actually get anything out of it while taking school tax money from thousands of parents and delivering little to nothing in return.
Robbery and theft with a smile.
At least there is school choice now which improves the situation a bit.

I cant believe what I am reading in the way of comments by some of the left wingers. In their desire to just disagree -- they miss the main point.

We need workers at ALL levels. Not all jobs need or should be highly skilled. We are currenlty pushing secondary education for ALL. When what we really need is a group of people that do not want the debt, the additional education, where a community college would provide the skills needed to get a job, raise a family. The assumption that everyone needs or should have a 4 yr or greater college degree is ludicrous and only pushes debt onto kids that cannot be repaid and in the end they may not desire the education. It dilutes the focus of those that really do want the 4-year degree and devalues it for those that desire it. We forget, that some prefer to work with their hands, weld, build, and we need them is what Walker is saying.

There is nothing wrong with that, and in fact they will develop that skill and will become highly skilled at some point. Master welders, master plumbers, master wood-workers. We need those skills and it starts from a mid to lower level skill and develops over time. Even those with 4-yr degrees need to develop skills based upon the training they have had at a university.

Quit trying to find the negative in everything said by someone with an opposing political view and in this case their should be support in filling the void that puts many to work.

"Who cares what people think about what I say?"
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Good point HandBookHarry, since it's obvious even you don't think about what you say.

Donna this story is about how these going nowhere jobs are not being filled by the young Americans. Tells me the young Americans are smart enough to get an education to have somewhat of a decent life. They are choosing to find something other than the going nowhere in life dead end jobs. Perhaps walker is slashing education, to ensure his fellow repub fat cats will have their minions to keep working hard for peanuts while making them millions. People are not stupid, who, with any brains, would choose to 'work with their hands' making 10 bucks an hour for life while the 'boss' collects mega bucks off them. Modern day slaves are disappearing and the fat cats are running out of ignorant people so walker is doing his best to make the young of WI ignorant.

fear....you are forgetting one thing and the most important thing...that is that some people do not want to go to college. Some people like working with their hands and making things. Some people do not have the aptitude or want to put the effort out for four years plus for an education. So do you force them to go to college to get a four year degree? Everyone makes a choice in life. If money is your goal then you follow that career choice. If you want to work in manufacturing then you get the training you need and go that route. Opportunity is there, you have to want to work towards your goal.

Should say middle skills, low paying jobs. Wages for these so-called middle skills jobs are what? Livable? Many are many are not.

I could actually agree with Darlene and Ezoner IF the American dream was available to hard working blue collar workers. Unfortunately those days have passed. This is not a matter of opinion anymore. No that labor unions are being destroyed your chances at making a long term living wage at a blue collar job are near impossible. Farmers struggle but do well because they recieve Welfare(subsidies) from the government.

To the people who continue this unbelievably stupid assault on educating yourself should think.(hard for some) These are some statistics for you that anyone should try and think about before deciding that college just "isn't for you".

http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm

The average college graduate makes more than a million dollars more over their lifetime than the non-educated. That seems well worth the effort. Why are Republicans so opposed to working hard to get educated? People aren't born stupid, they choose ignorance. Anyone who applies themselves in college can graduate, just hard work and responsibility. Arent those values that Repubs claim to cherish? Guess not. People should make every attempt to educate themselves as much as possuible, the faiure to do so dooms you to a life of struggle in AAmerica. Blue collar careers have been sold to China for pennies on the dollar. Please help me with some blue collar careers that will allow you a profitable life? Arent Republicans all about profit?

Right wing thinking is driving America into an upper/lower class society with no focus on the middle class that made us great. Your ignorance is ruining the nation. Soon we will be China, and it will mostly be due to the people that advocate for free trade and unfettered Capitalism, with no restrictions. Remember how we got here? It wasn't Obama's fault.

Apparently you did not ignore me. Who cares what people think about what I say?

handbook- Have you noticed that people are ignoring you? I don't think I'm alone in thinking you are more than a little " off". Who even bothers to read what you write!

bennetonf1-yes they have "Industrial Arts" classes, but they call it "Tech Ed" in middle school, once they get to high school they can go more in depth depending on what they want to learn. (woodshop, auto, construction, design etc.)

"Why do YOU support giving taxpayer money to schools that have LOST their accreditation or INCREASING taxpayer support of schools whose performance is NOT measured?"

Why do we pump billions into instruction that only lines union pockets? And produce low readers and low math skilled students?

WHY DO YOU SUPPORT SUCH UNIONS?

"Good point, Ezoner. Republicans have always adhered to the lowest standards and set the bar very low - makes it look like they are achieving success even as they fail."

Why do liberals set a low standard for our schools? We trail the world in math and science but line union pockets efficiently. Where is the success all that intelligent teacher credentialism yields? Show me.

Dusty

Public sector unions tried to set labor compensation and they got exposed.

Sooner or later people wake up from the blindness called liberalism. And they allocate alright, right into the pockets of six figure making union communists.

Good point, Ezoner. Republicans have always adhered to the lowest standards and set the bar very low - makes it look like they are achieving success even as they fail. Why do YOU support giving taxpayer money to schools that have LOST their accreditation or INCREASING taxpayer support of schools whose performance is NOT measured?

Are "Industrial Arts" classes offered in JVL schools?

wislady posted:
"So say the Liberal Elite."

FYI...I am neither liberal or elite...I am an American veteran that sees his nation in jeopardy of becoming an oligarchy due to the greed of money-worshippers who have subverted the Republican party to appease the reactionarys of the Tea party.

One would think that Walker would reject government intrusion and let the free market determine how labor is compensated and allocated among competing businesses.

Ezoner, how much money is our Governor giving to Chicago schools.
That practice should be stopped.

Panama -- I see the standards are doing SO well in Milwaukee and Chicago....

"30 years of elitist public school stupidity and neglect has caused an imbalance of workers and available jobs."
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So what do Republicans believe is the best method for reversing the effects of the "elitist public school stupidity and neglect" they have helped to foster over the past 30 years? Walker has decided it's best to take money from public education and ONLY increase funding for those schools who meet specific "performance" standards. Except voucher schools ARE NOT required to meet specific "performance" standards. According to the Journal-Sentinel, "Three private schools in Milwaukee continued to receive taxpayer money through the voucher program after losing their accreditation, under a loophole in state law that requires such schools to obtain that official approval but not maintain it."
So what's the point of increased funding for Technical colleges when our public schools are failing. Walker and his administration have done NOTHING to improve education in Wisconsin but they have fattened the wallets of former Republican legislators who lobby on behalf of voucher schools AND padded the bottom line of for profit schools.

"Education is feared by the so-called patriots as education would expose them for the sham and greed they really represent"

So say the Liberal Elite.

1. "We must be competitive on wages and benefits! Employees have been greedy and unions have been overzealous!"
2. "Why is nobody applying for these jobs?" *scratches head*

You're all nuts. Pre Walker middle skill level jobs were valued. They were well paid, union protected, and we admired them. People in "middle skill level" jobs had a shot at the American dream of home ownership, educating their kids, health care etc. Now, we criticize their " greediness" as a bad thing and want them to work for less wages and no benefits. Don't even start with me!

Love the math shenanigans....the 66% of 3.2M jobs is a static number, the vast majority of which are already filled; while the 25% of high school seniors looking to go to tech school is additive year over year, BUT 66 IS BIGGER THAN 25 SO WE HAVE A PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!

"Education is feared by the so-called patriots as education would expose them for the sham and greed they really represent"

Yeah..shame on those teacher unions....

truth1, perhaps to you, but it makes sense to me. We previously sought to achieve better positions not mediocre ones. This sounds like we're doomed to go backwards. I want the best for my offspring. How about you?

Awhh are the poor lefties running out of people they can demand hard labor for 12 hours a day at min wage with little benefits from? Maybe if the jobs provided more than the 'barely scrapping by' life, more young people would go for them. What kid wants to work in a factory making millions for someone sitting behind a desk while he barely makes above 10 bucks an hour?

nomoreres- That post makes zero sense....

Well said, will. What people should be concerned about is that there will be such a need for "middle skilled" positions. That doesn't say much for progress. Welcome to the elitist society. A place has been designated for you and you will be thankful you have it. Is this really what you want for your children. Wake up before it is too late, please.

The tea party, whatever their faults may be, has nothing to do with it...The problem began decades before their existence.

5 years of Tea Party ignorance and propaganda has caused the easliy lead and influenced to denigrate education and educators.

The fools who support the Tea Party will be the first sacrifice the Tea Party makes.

Education is feared by the so-called patriots as education would expose them for the sham and greed they really represent.

30 years of elitist public school stupidity and neglect has caused an imbalance of workers and available jobs.

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vnvet- A 4 years degree may not do any good but still has to be PAID FOR.....So, yes, it can "do harm".

vnvet ... What Donnaw said and more... Why pay for a degree you may not need, why accumulate debt for a degree which may not be valued, why accumulate debt and then be seen as overqualified and passed over for a position becuase the employer feels you would change after being trained.

The question is simple -- we stress college and then have people that lack the practicle skills required to get a job.

vnvet...education and experience are two different things. Not everyone is cut out for college or wants to go to college. I think what Walker is saying is lets give good solid skill training at the junior college/tech school level so the kids that are headed into the work force can get a good job. Having a skilled work force will also help attract companies. And the fact that Walker didn't finish college is beside the point. There are a lot of educated people with several degrees who have no common sense.

Are "Industrial Arts" classes offered in JVL schools?

It is time for progressives to quit looking down their noses at people who chose to work in the trades, or farming. There is no disgrace in hard, physical labor.

woody

So why is a voucher given for HALF, while the remaining money stays at the school? The school benefits from that money WITHOUT having to teach a child. They should look at it as FREE money, and 1 less child to be responsible for (a progressive win-win).

Maybe scooter thinks he can cut school funding more and promote middle skills. All the while big corporations get rich from scooters charter school plan.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMioWnzh0...

LOL...but isn't it obvious Donna, that he is saying " I don't need education, so why should you ? " How is a four year degree going to hurt your chances of getting a " middle skills" job ? The more experience one has the better his chances of work.

Hang on for the Walker haters to appear here.