concernedwi, that's the impression I get too. oneheckofaguy gives the impression that all adults are predators after children.

I think one heck of a guy's argument's show that no adult should be allowed near any child at any time. Adults are completely incapable of not being attracted to children and unable to control themselves at all times.

oneheckofaguy,
Your argument for not allowing gay scout masters appears to be, they will be attracted to the young boys. You cite the improbability of straight males leading girl scouts (implying they too would be attracted to young girls) as evidence that your argument makes sense. My comment about gay men leading girlscouts was to show the flaw in your argument. By your logic, gay men should definitely be allowed to lead girlscouts.

It is true that there are instances of teacher-student affairs. However, it appears the majority of these incidents are with heterosexual teachers and students. For some reason, you think that is evidence that supports your view that homosexuals have no place in the BSA. I think it is evidence that we should remain vigilant. By your logic, we should have no co-ed classes in school, and male students should have only male teachers, and female students should have only female teachers. That sounds like an unreasonable fear to me.

Thek I said straight male in girlscouts.
Concerned. If wht you say is true. Then why is there so many teacher student relationships? Some end in murder. Opposits attract. I believe a gay male will be attracted to male students. Were not talking about cub scouts. If a female teacher has eyes for a younger student it stands to reason it would apply to a gay male also. They are not above the rest of the people nor will they have more restraint than a straight person.

I never knew that the BSA was modeled after a Scouting club that originated in England. The founder of that club Lord Baden-Powell was thought to be a gay man,though closeted. How ironic.

oneheckofaguy,
First of all, I don't see the Girl Scouts allowing a homosexual male into their organization any time soon. (Does anyone have any evidence of attempts of this?) Secondly, as concernedwi said, just because an adult male is homosexual, does not mean an adult male is attracted to male children. Pedophiles are attracted to children, and I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who supports allowing pedophiles to take an active role in the BSA.

Shoeboy.....Too funny:) As always, you prove yourself to be as dumb as a box of rocks! Please provide any quote in my post that lends itself to "hate" speech....Thanks in advance!

Oneheckof a guy, so you do believe that a gay teacher is sexually attracted to his male students or a female teacher to the female students? Wouldn't a straight teacher be attracted to their students that were the opposite sex? Of course not, because none of the people mentioned aren't pedophiles, they are just people. Gay men don't want to have sex with children.

916, being gay isn't a value or a choice or a decision. It would be hard for someone to explain to me why anyone would chose a lifestyle where they are going to be discriminated against, have their friends and families turn their backs on them, and have people judge them and treat them unequally. Why would someone want to be apart of a group that doesn't want them? Because gay people have children and want to be involved in their lifes and volunteer the same as straight people. Because perhaps they were boy scouts growing up and enjoyed the experience. Perhaps they actually want to make a difference and help young children. But I'm sure that you think the only reason that they would want to join is to recruit and indoctrinated the youth of America.

Thekai- If a man is gay, then his sexual interests is in males. It would be like putting a straight man in GSA
I don’t think any normal parent would want their children in a group of boys who has someone who finds them sexually attractive.

concerned......time to step off of your little soapbox and come back to reality and get over your condescending, judgmental self(If that's possible for someone as clueless as yourself?) The BSA has a core set of values that they believe in. These values are not right as opposed to wrong or better as opposed to worse than the values of gay people, just different. It makes zero sense why a gay person would want to belong to an organization that doesn't share the same set of values as they do.

All people deserve repect even when I do not agree with their lifestyle that does not mean I will agree with the lifestyle they choose. If I do not want my children or family to be subjected does not make me a bigot it makes me have morals that my family installed in me. Let the atttacks begin.

concernedwi, you may learn, great!

Yes you make 'Merica great...yeee haw!

concernedwi, Didn't call them repugnant. I referred to them living a repugnant lifestyle as compared to me, the tradition American family that made our country great and strong, which by the way is being eroded.

You call gays repugnant and I labeled you a bigot. That isn't name calling, it's calling a spade a spade.

MBHammer,
It is absolutely your right to choose where you send your kids. However, you brought up logic. I'm trying to figure out where you are coming from. Are you saying that just because a child care business employs homosexual staff, all other things equal to a reputable child care business with 100% heterosexual staff, that makes the place (employing homosexuals) unwholesome? Where is the logic?

thekai, Don't know about child care. Personally I would not send a child to an unwholesome place, bad environment.

concernedwi = Name Caller. If you don't agree with this person, you are called a name in the face of "intolerance".

The picture does not look like praying to me. It looks like grieving.
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Third_Eye,
A gay person is not always, "...obviously gay only when he or she wants that to be known." Sometimes people are outed, against their wishes. Some homosexuals may wish to be a part of BSA and not have their sexual preference known. That can be accomplished even right now, but if it is revealed that said person is gay, that can result in the person being kicked out. If the BSA decides to change their mind and allow gay membership, then there would be protection for those members.
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MBHammer,
What is the logic of not allowing a gay person to participate in BSA? Do you think there are any homosexuals in child care?

MBhammer, your true colors are showing through. You don't think that the boy scouts don't discriminate. You are for it because you are a bigot. Thank you for making your opinion known.

Gayness is a race?

The right to be repugnant? Guess so.

MBHammer, from google, the definition of discriminatory "Making or showing an unfair or prejudicial distinction between different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race,..."

Oh I forgot, those evil gays are going to corrupt the youth and convince them to change to their "lifestyle". How is wanting acceptance special treatment? I guess all of the civil rights activists of the 60's were looking for special treatment too?

concernedwi, Boy Scouts are not discriminatory. They have or had an established thing known as criteria. Parents, at least good parents like to know what their child is getting into, environment, etc. Child daycare centers have criteria also, not allowing former child molesters to be an employee. See how simple things become when common sense and logical thought process is used?

Concernedwi, that segment of society IS asking for special treatment, not equal treatment. They are demanding the BSA change it's long-standing policy to accomodate the lifestyle of a few. In my opinion, that is special treatment.

Donna, the point is that if they want to continue to discriminate they are allowed to. They are not being forced. And how dare the President speak up for a segment of the population and ask that they get equal treatment...not special treatment...equal.

#1
This comparison between gays and blacks puzzles me. A black person is obviously black wherever he or she goes. A gay person is obviously gay only when he or she wants that to be known.
Just what are these gay-rights folks accomplishing for the average gay person? I suspect not much.

user, etc, etc, .... gay and lesbian organizations and Obama, POTUS is pushing for the change so there is some pressure from the administration. While not a strictly religious organization, the religious organizations that are sponsoring troops are stating that those troops are expected to follow the sponsoring organizations religious guidelines.

No one if forcing the boy scouts to consider this. There is no court order or lawsuit. There are some actual people inside the organization that have a conscience. And Wislady, he is also dead so lets not get too excited about it.

Oneheckofaguy: Totally agree with you. The gay-rights people and Gender Neutrality Movement people are beating on the RIGHTS of heterosexuals. The BSA needs to take a stance and hold to the beliefs and standards by which the BSA was organized.

westorbust...I'm just saying this PC crap is going too far! And blacks, Hispanics, straights, gays, boys, girls, men, women, whatever, have their groups. As long as they are private they should be able to include or exclude whomever they wish. And you didn't answer my question....can a white woman be considered for Miss Black America?

President Ronald Reagan was born on this day.

Oh good grief donnaw. Miss Black America was created as a PROTEST against the MIss America pageant, because for 54 years, African American women were excluded, and it wasn't until 1984 when the first black woman actually won, Vanessa Williams. That being said, these pageants are completely idiotic.

So then lets get down to it. Are you supporting the idea that being gay is the same as being a racial minority, and that gay and lesbian people should have the same protections? Sounds like it. Good for you.

The Gov. is not forcing the BSA to do anything. I don't support them, and I never have.

In New Jersey they said there can no longer have a Father Daughter dance because it was gender bias. If gay people do not want to be called Father then it only stands to reason they would change the name of BOY scouts. Boy is after all a reference to a male.
It seems once they get their foot in the door they try to change everything.

Since the boy scouts have a religious creed, they should abide by the laws of their belief. If that belief calls homosexuality a sin, then they should not allow it.

I believe the Boy Scouts should be able to do what they want. They are a private organization. Can a white woman run for Miss Black America?