Small corner lot owners feel penalized by code
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JANESVILLE Most folks like a little privacy in their backyards, but some residents on small corner lots said Janesville's fencing ordinance makes it difficult for them to create an outdoor retreat.
"The taxes on corner lots should be cheaper than standard lots because the yard is useless to me," one frustrated resident said.
Another described the ordinance as "ridiculous," saying it makes no sense.
One Realtor told the owner of another small corner lot that a fence along his side yard would increase his property value. But zoning didn't make the fence practical, the resident said.
Council members Matt Kealy and DuWayne Severson have asked city staff to research the fencing issue and bring it to the council for discussion. A resident concerned about the code contacted Kealy.
The code requires fences or hedges taller than 30 inches be set back 25 feet from property lines, city staff said. Fences can be installed within the setback if the corner of the house is within the 25-foot setback and if the fence is built no closer to the property line than the house. A fence can be built within the setback if it can be seen through, such as a chain-link fence.
The code doesn't cause issues for homes not on corners or on large corner lots, associate city planner Brad Schmidt said.
He agrees it is "tough" for people on small corner lots in older neighborhoods because they have two setback requirements—one along each street. A 25-foot setback along two sides leaves little yard to be fenced.
"New, single-family home developments offer large lots, spacious backyards and the houses are set back farther from the street," he said.
After the zoning board of appeal received numerous requests for variances to the fencing rules, city staff in 2004 suggested the code be modified from a 25-foot setback to a 10-foot setback.
The city council, though, never took up the issue because the recommendation never made it past the administration.
The vast majority of fencing variance requests continue to be granted.
"We see quite a bit of these come through and getting approved," Schmidt said. "When that happens, that's when we need to look at code. Essentially, a precedent is being set, and now it is easier to change the code."
Kealy said he didn't think residents should have to pay $200 if the board always grants the appeals. Residents agree.
They said zoning should change, and they hope the council considers a two-foot or three-foot setback.
Residents with concerns spoke on the condition that their names not be published, saying they don't want to hurt their chances of someday getting fences.
"My first question is, 'Why?'" one resident asked. "What is your justification for even the 10 feet? What does even a 10-foot setback accomplish?
"Someone can put up a chain-link fence, but I can't put up a nice cedar fence? I could live with two or three feet, but to make 15 feet of your lot unusable, that is ridiculous, unless you can give me a reason why."
His home's setback is 15 feet.
Schmidt said reasons for the setbacks include:
-- Preserving lines of sight for drivers approaching intersections. He acknowledged that a fence in a corner side yard rarely impacts that vision.
-- Preserving lines of sight for drivers exiting driveways. Fences or hedges close to a sidewalk could block the view of drivers as they try to enter the street.
-- Preventing assaults. Fences and bushes provide places behind which someone could hide and accost passersby.
-- Preserving aesthetic. The front yard setback prevents a row of tall fences built along sidewalks, he said.
-- Preserving views for neighbors. A fence up against a sidewalk along a corner lot could block the vision of a next-door neighbor, he said.
Schmidt said zoning codes often are black-and-white rules, but properties have individual characteristics.
Dave Woodbeck, 137 S. Ringold St., earlier this year paid $200 for a variance for a fence on his small corner lot.
His fence is about 11 feet from the property line, or four feet inside the 15-foot setback established by the line of his home.
In a memo to the board of appeals, Schmidt recommended the variance be granted. Five similar variances have been granted within a one-mile radius of Woodbeck's property since 1991, Schmidt said.
In fact, all the homes along St. Lawrence Avenue are within the required front yard setback and do not conform to city code, he said. Parcels in the neighborhood are relatively small—about 8,700 square feet. Newer lots are about twice that size.
Woodbeck said he and his wife, Kristin, just wanted a little backyard privacy.
"At times, it felt like were having dinner on our patio with anybody who happened to walk by," he said.
A Realtor told Woodbeck a fence would help him sell his house if he ever puts it on the market.
Woodbeck wondered if the ordinance could be more flexible and require a variance only if staff and homeowners disagree.
Woodbeck said he's very social and has great relationships with his neighbors. Several neighbors, in fact, wrote to support his request for a variance.
"But sometimes you just want to have your own space," Woodbeck said.


Nov 20, 2012 at 2:20 p.m.
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Sorry or 11 feet
Nov 20, 2012 at 2:19 p.m.
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I don't see what this guy in photo is complaining about. Mabye I am confused but no way this fence in 15 feet from sidewalk.
Nov 20, 2012 at 1:50 p.m.
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To protect your yard from corner-cutters, you can erect a fence up to 30" without needing a variance. This is not about that type of fence. This is about e.g. 6' privacy fences, which do need a variance. A low picket fence (often between 3' and 4' would also need a variance but is not as objectionable as a privacy fence.
Nov 20, 2012 at 11:38 a.m.
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My experience has been property damage and to protect the investment a fence is some type of impediment is required to stop people from walking on property and cutting the corners while walking or riding bikes. They damage the property and grass will not grow in those areas. Plus there is the liability if people are trespassing and are injured when cutting the corner.
That has been the issue with corner lots as I see it.
Nov 20, 2012 at 10:54 a.m.
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So in other words people buy property and are completely uninformed as to ordinances / restrictions.
Nov 20, 2012 at 9:35 a.m.
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I guess if you don't like your property then move. Some of the set backs make sence for visability.I wish they would cut some big trees down that are on terraces so you can see traffic. My best example is the corner of Garfield, Milw, Centerway area. It isn't like these setbacks are new.
Nov 20, 2012 at 6:45 a.m.
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Janesville needs to get out of the stone age. We need practical rules and codes for practical living. Throw away the dated code book and start over. There is however a lot of good laughing material in there....lol.
Nov 20, 2012 at 5 a.m.
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$200 barely pays for the staff time to support the ZBA, let alone any other work done by the city. It's basically a "show you're serious" fee, so that the ZBA isn't burdened by request after request.
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The basic problem is that lifestyles have changed. Many people expect suburban yard space and privacy because they grew up that way. It's just as easy to get that privacy with a small fence and a hedge, if you ask me. (It would be nice if some of the corner hedges were cut back for traffic safety, though. Depending on the cross streets and other visual obstacles like trees it can make a big difference.) I'm not opposed to "patio living" or treating the yard as an outdoor room, but people need to be realistic when they are buying an existing home in an existing neighborhood.
Nov 19, 2012 at 5:01 p.m.
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Another thing is after you get the variance then you have to get a builders permit I would suppose.
Nov 19, 2012 at 5 p.m.
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200 dollars wow This is so wrong and IMO GOVERNMENT is way overstepping their bounds on many things You own the property and still have to pay. Taxes, fees and anything else they can charge you for. Janesville is becoming the place no one will want to come to.
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