On March 27, 2012 at 10:18 a.m., Ezoner said, "I do not trust studies and data." [ http://gazettextra.com/news/2012/mar/18/... ]

So why are you making up these fantasy facts about your own studies and data? The election is over, Ezoner. Your man lost. Pack up your toys and quit your whining.

The states of IL, NY and CA are voted BLUE because of their large urban areas. I have asked allot of people who they voted for and 70-30 voted Romney. The ones that voted for Obama were: Unemployed (long term), Urban, Race Based, Young, Old and not very bright.

It was easy for me to see the concentration. Most of those younger voters, had very litte knowledge (not lacking education) but knowledge was seriously lacking. There are also reports of voting in multiple states near borders of large urban areas -- dual drivers license, etc....

Fear what was that rhetoric you were saying about Mississippi vs California?

"Democrat-run California earned its last-place rank under the federal government’s new measure of poverty, which incorporates more detailed analyses of welfare payments and the local costs of food, gasoline and housing."

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/16/golden...

Fear at 11-15 11:38pm. I'm stunned by the open mindedness of your opening paragraph.
Midnight_Ride's observation at 3:32am is correct.
As a conservative I had to look at either Romney or Obama. Which is CLOSEST to my position? That was the question, not the rhetoric from the left that painted Governor Romney as either a moderate or a right wing whacko.
Mitt Romney was predestined to be the nominee because in the structure of the Republican Party it was his turn. Because many of the liberals on this site don't bother to consider reading, watching, or listening to anything to the right, their knowledge of Republicans and Conservatives is formed by other lefties who know as little as they do.

fearandrhetoric4dummies
Nov 15, 2012 at 11:38 p.m.
did you watch the republican primary? HE was the savior from the Socialist, Muslim, Kenyan that is falsely driving the country directly to UN control?

You think very little of your leader. You didn't watch the primaries to come to that conclusion. You get that from fringe leftist.

Maybe you can tell us why Obama stopped talks with the UN to eliminate our 2nd amendment before the election and is back at it after. After, a lot of scandals are coming out after aren't they?

There was a seperate committee to look into Watergate. Why won't the left allow that with Benghazi Barry?

Time to correct more of fear's false rhetoric. She uttered, "You continue to point out how TERRIBLE the states of CA,IL, and NY are yet the standards of living in all those states are HIGHER than any of the Republican controlled states that are soooo much better with the tax dollars?"

I pointed to those three states, as a group once. The post declared how bad those state's finances are in; directly due to democratic failed leadership. Not one word was provided about standard of living. Just one more example of how the left fringe can't debate on the truth or real facts. The sheeple must attempt to twist and spin, while being untruthful.

If you want to climb up on your stool and stomp some more, please do. But stop complaining when you are corrected for your continuous false information and fringe driven rhetoric.

"Please RAF ignore my posts , its easy to ignore yours."
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Wow! Since 4 out of your last 5 posts were either in responce to me or mentioned me how exactly are you ignoring my posts?

Just more of the same from the hypocritical far-left, do as I say not as I do, sheeple.

Please RAF ignore my posts , its easy to ignore yours. Outside of fringe left, fo you say anything anymore? Are you tring to get 50,000 posts of the same phrase? Keep on truckin there skippy, what a disgrace.

Third_Eye- You must be kidding me, did you watch the republican primary? After watching people trash Rmoney over and over and then when the dust cleared HE was the savior from the Socialist, Muslim, Kenyan that is falsely driving the country directly to UN control? The right wingers will vote R no matter who is there, as is evidenced by Rmoney.
Watch what Newt said about him during the primary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB9Aa6qVa...
Watch this video, 65% of Republicans did NOT support Rmoney for the majority of the campaign. Newt calls him a liar, a cheat , etc and then supports him after calling him a "massachusetts Moderate" has taxpayer funded abortions in Mass, and that he should run as the real Mitt. He is no conservative. And then SUPPORTS HIM!!! And you are going to tell me that Repubs dont just vote the ticket??
Why Mitt lost:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwrB1vu7...

RAF pointing out my errors thats rich!! From a person who hasnt generated an original thought in about his last 4000 posts I find that funny. The "key" to a SOLUTION for your disagreement, wouldn't be to move. Stay here , Wisconsin is a Republican controlled state government and they will certainly take care of your beloved tax dollars right? Laughable like your repetetive posts. Wisconsin will join the poorest states in the Union per capita with total Republican control. You continue to point out how TERRIBLE the states of CA,IL, and NY are yet the standards of living in all those states are HIGHER than any of the Republican controlled states that are soooo much better with the tax dollars? Or at least so you think? Hilarious. Welcome to Wississippi people, full of really dumb, really poor people. Remember we live in the world where Wal-Mart is the worlds largest employer, USA< USA<USA!!
Fringe, fringe, fringe. Repeat , repeat, repeat. The right wing hypnosis and hysteria continues, all while ignoring facts. Sipping the silly juice has really affected your mind RAF, and its really too bad.

Ah, got to love mousezi. What's the government to run everything but is happy to have choices in the private industries.

Make up your mind.

The country is under the control of two extremist political "parties", how we get out of this mess is anyone's guess.

ABC News reports:

"Senator John McCain is demanding answers on the Benghazi attack, but his office tells ABC News he missed a classified briefing on the subject because of a “scheduling error.”

The classified briefing was held on Wednesday before the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee – of which Senator McCain is a member – and lasted three hours. It featured testimony by officials from the State Department, the Pentagon, the CIA and the National Counterterrorism Center.

During part of the briefing, McCain was holding a press conference demanding answers about the administration’s handling of the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya on September 11 that killed four Americans, including US Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens."
This is what happens when you just want to get noticed, and not really find out the facts.

Oh wait, I read that wrong. Mousezi was endorsing capitalism and freedom of choice for one business over another.
There's hope yet.

As I said, you are born with it and instintively conservative.

Go mouse, go free to pick your own pizza joint.

mousezi, yes we know that as nazism you want the government to take over all business and not give anyone a choice to buy pizza anywhere they like.
We got that already.

poobah, lets try again...

Tell me doctor copy and paste, now what?

Continued unemployment and continued poverty and welfare.
How do the Democrats get out of this mess?
Taxes? Okay, that will only bring in money from people that have it. When that runs out, then what?
When business give up due to the over reach of Obamacare and high taxes, where will the government get the revenue?

Do tell.

Midnight_Ride said, "Merely pointing out poobah that race shouldn't matter."

And you did that how? By stating that, "GOP has more hispanics in elected positions also?" Yeah, sure, Midnight_Ride. The problem has been that those white men who fear having to share power with a diverse group of people feel the same as you do - that race shouldn't matter. Of course, the only reason they feel that way is because they're so comfortable with having held the majority of positions of power. The times, they are changing.

third eye,
The economy has improved and continues to improve. That's why President Obama was reelected. So I guess we will see Hilary in the White House. The first African American President followed by the first female President. They couldn't write a better story than that.
Also, the only reason we have divided government is because the GOP had the opportunity to redraw the districts following the census. I'm not saying that the Dems haven't done it before or that they won't do it again. I'm just saying when Democratic candidates received 500,000 more total votes in the Nov. 6 House races, I'd hardly call it a message from the American people that they want a Republican House. I'd say it's a message that Republicans are skilled deck stackers.

Tell me doctor copy and paste, now what?

Continued unemployment and continued poverty and welfare.
How do the Democrats get out of this mess?
Taxes? Okay, that will only bring in money from people that have it. When that runs out, then what?
When business give up due to the over reach of Obamacare and high taxes, where will the government get the revenue?

Do tell.

Merely pointing out poobah that race shouldn't matter. The content of their character.
But I know it's hard for a lot of liberals to embrass individualism. That comes with freedom.
Something not in your vocabulary.

Looks like the reconstruction of the GOP starts with Romney doing a very rapid exit stage right!

"The Republican critics of Mitt Romney have had enough of their party’s failed presidential nominee. After Romney told donors his loss last week was due to “gifts” President Obama and the Democrats bestowed on women and minorities, Republicans are essentially coming together in a collective “go away, Mitt.”

On a conference call with top donors Wednesday, Romney doubled down on the “47 percent” remarks that dogged the final months of his presidential bid. Romney told some of the people who financed his campaign he lost because the key voting blocs that voted for Obama did so because Obama gave them free stuff.

“With regards to the young people, for instance, a forgiveness of college loan interest was a big gift,” to younger voters, Romney said on the call according to the New York Times. “Free contraceptives were very big with young, college-aged women.” Romney said made similar points about African Americans and Hispanic voters.

For conservatives and Republicans trying to make the GOP friendlier to those groups, Romney’s comments have not been well-received. To say the least.

“Romney’s theory isn’t just wrong, it’s pernicious,” wrote Daily Caller conservative columnist Matt Lewis. “Here’s hoping he finally rides off into the political sunset.”" [ http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/1... ]

If citing an article that talks about the composition of the House is race baiting, then your comment that, "GOP has more hispanics in elected positions also," is also race baiting. Do you care to rethink your choice of words?

And I take it by your absence of a response that you have no citation to your claim.

Still race baiting

Midnight_Ride if you read the CNN article you will notice it is discussing the House make-up. Reid and Kerry are in the Senate and you forgot Pelosi when mentioning the Democrat House leadership. I'm sure that was just an oversight on your part.

That said, do you have a citation to your claim that, "GOP has more hispanics in elected positions also?" Remember that "elected positions" includes more than governorships. Carry on, Governor!

WalterReuther Nov 15, 2012 at 10:51 a.m.
Your '12 years of Democrats' theory only works if the economy drastically improves.
Do you believe the Keynsian policies of President Obama will improve the economy?
'Candidate' Obama said he needed another term to fix the economy. How will more of the same accomplish that?

Sure, Reid, Kerry, Hoyer, Waxmann - etcc.....not old white guys?

GOP has more hispanics in elected positions also. Simmer down Poobah, that's a race baiting left winger talking point.

Back to the article - reconstructing the GOP. An interesting article in CNN today. [ http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/14/politics/h... ]

"When the incoming U.S. House freshmen of the 113th Congress take their class photo, the image will reflect two very different visions of the nation.

On the Democratic side: Women and minorities -- a coalition that, along with young voters, largely helped re-elect President Barack Obama -- collectively will for the first time in the nation's history outnumber white male Democrats.

On the Republican side: The majority of the House seats will be held by white men -- a group which far outnumbers the now dwindled numbers of House GOP women and minorities after the losses of two minority members and about a half dozen women from that caucus."

Finally, America the great melting pot that we were taught about in our segregated schoolrooms many, many years ago is being reflected in our elected leadership. Well, at least in one party.

"But I am a happy person, you fear driven refiblicans aren't RAF"

This cracked me up considering some of the hate filled, obviously unhappy posts that we find in the comments section dealing with articles on Walker and our Republican dominated state government. It seems as though the frown turns upside down only when they leave Wisconsin's borders!:)

Wally....As long as we have a divided government, it's all good:)

Wow. It's going to be a long 4 years for some folks. And then Hilary Clinton will probably be President for 8 years. So that's at least another 12 years of a Democrat in the White House. The thought of that must be driving some of you crazy....er....even more crazy.

fearandrhetoric4dummies Nov 15, 2012 at 12:50 a.m. RE: last paragraph
Sorry dude! Supporting the Republican party does not automatically include supporting every specific candidate. Thats how YOUR world works. Republicans do have the capacity to identify their own loons and withdraw support.
BTW I am not RAF or any other screen name on this site. It seems that the concern about multiple screen names eminates from those that have multiple screen names.
So what are your other names Fear?

It's okay to post as mousezi, you don't have to hide behind yada.

Benghazi Barry yesterday said don't blame Rice, she works on my instructions. Did he just step in it now? And the innocent film maker still sits in jail. By the way, 4 people are dead.

keep drinking that hater-aid motorman

MORE silly Re-FIB-licans --> "WI Lawmakers Back Bill to ARREST Federal Officials Who Implement Obamacare"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13...

******* ----> "HERMAN CAIN'S CAMPAIGN PROMISES WITH MIKE TYSON"****** (Video)

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/4ecfd3a...

You know a story post comment section has been exhausted when the fat lady sings mouse.

Yesterday Obama says the GOP shouldn't besmirch reputations. Hello, Hypocrisy alert.
That's all he did to Romney and got away with his wrecking ball to the economy with Chicago style take out tactics.
The idiocy continues on the left.

Another form of Nazism mousezi, go after me personally instead of sticking to the story lines. Bring that too, your immature drivel is a yawn fest at best not even fit for the alley way of a boys juvy home.

Must be you've run out of basement blog material and have exhausted your other alias. Grow up!

Mousezi
Nov 14, 2012 at 8:13 p.m.Midnight and wislady both need to change your make-up

Would like to explain this comment? If you are assuming I'm gay, is this yet another war by the nazism you push?

If you're comparing Conservative women i.e. Krisit Noem to Liberal women Wasserman-Schultz, bring it!
Condoleezza Rice vs Maxine Waters?

"I think the key to your disagreement with the fringe left would be to move to a state that will be seceding from the union."
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At least two points of errors in your latest rhetoric that require correction, the first being you think. I suggest acting like mouse is hardly thinking. Second, the "key" to my disagreement has nothing to do with moving it has to do with differing philosophy on wasting of govt funds and wasted tax dollars. I could correct your post wording but to be honest I am growing tired of pointing out all of your errors.

More fringe rhetoric and lies from the local fear merchant, "guess your freedom to support candidates who make statements like...blah blah blah".

I think the key to your disagreement with the fringe left would be to move to a state that will be seceding from the union. Dont let the door hit you on the way to rural King county Texas.

Actually RAF thoe are great discriptions of....lets let the readers decide.
Typical right wing whiners just like...........
Whats the saying?
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck........
All of those comments from RAlf reminds me of..........all of his aliases on these boards.
wislady
Midnight
JoyM
Third_eye
useret
Ezoner
etc,etc,etc

No one has more aliases on this website than the right wing baby that is RAF. whining, whining, whining. All he has to say anymore is about all of the "intolerant fringe left" over, and over, and over. For someone with 10,000 "career" posts you keep coming back, why render yourself so very irrelavant?
I guess your freedom to support candidates who make statements like "Some girls rape so easy" is a great thing? Rape babies arent a gift from God, the ever loyal GOP lunatics are, because no matter what they say/do they always march in lockstep. Its called an idiot brigade alive and well on the Gazette blogs. RAF and Winklady at the head leading the charge.

Sincerely,
The Fringe Left

The intolerant liberal progressive that stated this nugget, "keep drinking that hater-aid", also provided these gems (spelling errors included);

-"the two statements are only an equvalency in your own perverse logic system"

-"Grumpy Old People party"

-"religious loonies and Teaparty crackpots "

-"hitch up your double wides and head on down to your redneck utopia. Don't let us keep you."

-"they are our very own little black rain clouds of negativity"

-"Nothing more breathtakingly stupid, or more delusional that a teaparty Wisconsin representative"

-"He's not so good with that whole "readin ritin an rithmatic" thing."

-"Apparently its unacceptable to say that our governor is a piece of.... (Sashimi?, Pie?, Work?) leaving the noun open to what ever the reader wishes."

-"seek comfort in railing about her world view, where all misfortune comes from the scary 'libruhls holding back decent folks like her from living an all white, all christian 1950's fantasy reminicent of the movie pleasantville."

These few examples show a typical pattern of the left fringe progs and their do as I say not as I do mentality.

Oh! I get it. The Republican party should be more progressive, more like the Democrats. Wow!
Left leaning liberals disdain anything republican. They refuse to acknowledge another viewpoint and use derogatory names to describe Republican commentators.
Now to the amazement of all they understand Republicans. Is it osmosis?

"we are a nation that is an evolving multicultural entity with a strong desire for progressive social change"=Food Stamp Nation

Mousezi, did I hit a nerve?
Yes, Hollywood rich money is better the Corporate money. Afterall the corporate money has to go for employing Americans too.

Hollywood can just throw lavish parties and golf and wine test down under with Clinton.

If Obama doesn't do any better in his second term then his first term, I pity any Democrat trying to run in 2016.

Hopefully the suppression of the Benghazi facts will end sooner than later.

Sure mouse, that's what Hitler did. Outlawed all opposition.
Hail Obama!

Beyond socialism, markism, strait into Nazism.
Good for you Mouse
Show who you really are.

http://factcheck.org/2012/11/did-undeliv...
Take a page from Mitt`s book, and lie.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/11/0...

Flags being flown upside down showing times of distress as a protest to a stolen election.

Mounting voter fraud reports, suppressed military ballots by the hundreds of thousands and scandal.

fusion, right!

On MSNBC's Melissa Harris-Perry Show Saturday, CBS's Nancy Giles said the reason white people are "trying to eliminate all these abortions" is "to build up the race"

Mindless, brain numb liberal still not thinking about the child.

Midnight_Ride, depending on who he decides to log in as...

I figured as little would come from the mouse.

No answers, no thoughts
Voter suppression, scandals and coverups. Freedom of the press, now free to suppress.

Yes, well done Redder. The nation needs a better republican party, as you envision.

Well done redder.

Midnight siding with liberals.

As a devout Republican, I agree, change is needed without loss or focus on some fundemental principles. We need to focus on family, but not family in the 1700s todays family needs. we need to mantain morality, but not the morals of the 1800's we need to reflect on today. Are some of the issues really that far apart? I don't believe in abortion but I also don't believe its my place to tell you what to do. I don't think its a political issue, never should have been. I think stem cell research is fine, why are we fighting over it, nobody is killing babies for research. I don't really get the issue. I believe we need some social programs, but I don't believe that we just give handouts. Its the old teach a man to fish story. The GOP needs to soften up on the religion issues, I am a christian, but if your a muslim I don't think your a jerk, or jewish or Budist, its just your beliefs not mine. So why are we clinging to old issues. I believe change is good, progressive. I do not think we need to force each other into social and economic classes, the American dream is just that if its good for you it needs to be good for me too. We need to cap political spending. You want to donate, great, its going into a general fund, the fed can disperse it evenly amounst the candidates, so the democrats get 2 million and thats it, same for the republicans, socialists, communists and the alien class that might be comming in 16. I guess what I am saying is I can see your side, if you can see mine, I am willing to help you but you have to be willing to help me....why can we not all just get along? If you told your wife she had to do something and argued with her to that point and even called her names, what do you suppose she would do and think? I know what mine would do and visa versa. If we just all thought of each other in that way, more might get done.

janesvillean, funny that you should chastise someone on a different blog for having an opinion. You seem to have a pretty strong opinion with your multiples of "wrong"

I feel bad for you, all dressed up on top of the basement stairs with your best tri-cornered hat, don't-tread-on-me shirt, and knickers and waiting for the Patriot Rapture last Tuesday.

Liberal Super PACs Spent $200M to Secure Dem Victories

Good job non-patriots. As long as you have the filthy rich hollywood types, and non-manufacturing jobs in American. You ensure high poverty for your voter base.

The vicious cycle. People will cease to have the money to see your movies or buy your endorsed products or pay for cable to watch your shows.

What will you non-patriots do when the money runs out?
Brothers mouse?

It's one thing for a Democratic presidential candidate to dominate a Democratic city like Philadelphia, but check out this head-spinning figure: In 59 voting divisions in the city, Mitt Romney received not one vote. Zero. Zilch.

Voter Suppression?

141% voter turnout in St. Lucie County, Fla.

Voter Suppression?

Sources confirmed today that hundreds of thousands of military absentee ballots were delivered hours after the deadline for them to be counted after sitting up to three months in warehouse.

Voter Suppression?

UN poll watchers shocked at no voter ID. With a country the size of the United States of America, UN officials curious at the lack of identification to insure proper and fair elections.

Voter Suppression?

Cheer up ye Patriots! You can still hand out fliers etc in the middle of the night, and help with suppress the vote efforts. There will always be a need that.

And yes, you can still come to the GOP rallies. It's just that you'll have to sit behind the hispanics, gays, and blacks that we get on board. Considering the amount of cash we spent losing in 2012, we figure it'll be cheaper just to hire a whole bunch.

916WI -You seem a bit hurt by the billionaire consortium. I hope you don't think we actually liked you.

Don't worry, we may call on you Patriots again, in case our GOP base in Mississippi or Oklahoma ever needs shored up.

During an interview last week with Democracy Now, author and activist Cornel West offered harsh criticism of President Barack Obama, calling him a “Rockefeller Republican in blackface” and not someone who is actually looking out for the best interests of the impoverished. The prominent social critic also lashed out at black MSNBC personalities, accusing them of “selling their souls” in support of a president who has been anything but progressive.

Obama Team Hid Record Foodstamp Surge Before Election

........One glance at the number reveals why: at 47.1 million, this was not only a new all time record, but the monthly increase of 420,947 from July was the biggest monthly increase in one year.

One liberal progressive gets it right. Obama doesn't care about anybody or anything except his rich celebrity donors and golf.

Any word on the fifes yet, brotherkoch?

Patriots, you still get to keep the tri-cornered hats. Just don't wear them when you venture out of the basement so much.

RAF,
I ignored Malloy and Ed because this article is about reconstructing the REPUBLICAN party.

"The failed fiscal and social policies from the big three New York, California, and Illinois all run by entrenched democrat control, are what the national party thinks the whole country needs. Typical leftest rationalization; it is not the ideas are bad they just haven't been run right...yet. Hint; doing the same thing over expecting a different result fits right in there with delusion and insanity."
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RAF: That is indeed the best case conservatives can make against liberal philosophy. Where is liberal agenda-policy most seen today? Your big metropolitan cities.... Where do you find the biggest problems both fiscally and socially in society today..The big metropolitan cities. As a libertarian, I strongly believe in the 10th amendment. I say let states and cities pass any agenda they wish (that is not unconstitutional in the US constitution), if that is what the people of that city-state vote for. When you try to screw up an entire country with your agenda is when I have big problems. The federal government has become WAY to centralized in power, which was something the founding fathers staunchly opposed, and warned us of. There are so many things the federal government should be NO part of what so ever, and it should be left up to the people of the individual states. Unfortunately the federal government has got it's mitts into EVERYTHING now. People look to the federal government for everything now. We are now in a time where both sides want to ram their agenda through, and cripple all of America with it's blanket policy onto all, all the while just making the other side that much more furious when it passes into law. If things were left up to the states you simply vote by your feet. If you like a huge government that will take care of all your needs from birth to death, you simply move to a state that embraces that philosophy. When you try and ram through an agenda to an entire nation that is VASTLY DIVIDED on their beliefs in governments role to the people, is when you run into huge problems, that will eventually lead to complete social breakdown among the vastly opposed two sides. We are indeed moving near that point, as things are more divided now amongst the two sides then in any point of modern US history.

why_think your claim that one party should take control, another word for limiting free speech, of people in the media for doing the same thing both sides do is ringing with hypocrisy. Msnbiasc is the same as fox, just on the other wing. Talkers like malloy and big ed are just as bad as hannity and rush. The fact you ignore one side of the equation in your faux rush to assign blame or "pretend" to help the other side is dripping with partisan spin. If you are unable to see the big picture you are no better than those that echo what they hear from these people.

As far as your comment on my they run one way or the other, I addressed that in my first post, they listen to washington pundits and media helpers; much like your claim of wanting to help.

The only thing needed to win is run on fiscal and constitutional grounds. Limited govt messaging works in every poll.

Poobah; Thanks for your insights and I can see your point.
One thought. You observed, "Allowing themselves to be usurped by the pseudo-Christian and tea party ideologies is a far greater barrier to the party restoring viability."
I think the right leader could steer the party away from the fringes of those groups and incorporate their good ideas into a cohesive and appealing message.

The real joke here is that Michael Gerson was wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, then wrong some more, then wrong again, and then still wrong, yet this will have no effect on whether the Janesville Gazette continues to run his wrong, wrong, wrong columns. See also: Charles Krauthammer.

Bowlgal said, "This is the same exact conversation in 2008 when the Democrats proclaimed "we will rule for the next 40 years" then 2010 happened."

How myopic to compare a presidential election with a midterm election. The phenomenon we saw in the 2012 presidential election will take more time to be seen in deeply Republican house districts, but by 2024 states like Arizona and Texas will have become swing states.

Look what this loser did...a Romney tattoo on his face.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLOX_csho...

"According to Regulatory Impact Analyses published by the EPA, new and pending regulations could impose economic ... (close to 6,000 new rules)"

Obama waited until after the election with new EPA job killing rules. Closing down Shall exploration, further shutting down drilling and Obamacare taxes.

Where will the jobs come from and how will he increase revenue with no job creators to speak of. The Democrat party will be in trouble sooner then later.

RAF,
But did they run as moderates?

This is the same exact conversation in 2008 when the Democrats proclaimed "we will rule for the next 40 years" then 2010 happened. Democrats remained in control of the White House but by 10 million votes less then in 2008. They remained in the Senate due to some crazy talk by a few GOP Senators but did not gain back control of the House as they did in 2008.
10 million less voted for Dems. 3 million less voted for GOP. Think about that for 2014 during the famous 6 year itch season when the opposite party of the White house usually takes full control. Think about that when most Americans like Obama personnally and felt he desired the full 8 years to "fix" his promises not kept in first 4. The economy is very much still on the minds of Americans (not social issues or immigration) And it will be again if Obama continues on broken path.
This is big trouble for the Dems. If Obama does not fix his problems and only makes them more monumental the GOP will sweep back in.
History is on the side of the GOP on this one.

What the GOP needs to do is gain control of those who have the microphones, AM radio, Fox News... the pundits.
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The hate-filled insults spewed regarding the American's that voted to re-elect President Obama is disgusting. You cannot gain votes by insulting people. The democrats have tried and failed at the same gameplan.
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They need to put together proposals and sell them on their merits. Take the high road and stop whining.
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I actually listened to Hannity claim that the Obama campaign was sooo bad he wouldn't feel right if he had been apart of it and the win. This from a guy who pushed the "death panel" GOP victory in 2010.
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The GOP must stop the Hannity's of the world being their voice. Especially with the youth vote. They are simply too aware of the hypocrisies.
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Lastly, don't lump people together. The 47% comment that Romney attempted to run from, was repeated and reinforced by the GOP talking heads after the election. That won't be easily forgotten. I will have a hard time voting for a republican because of how republicans talked about me before and after this election.
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I am a moderate, GW x2, clinton x1 and Obama x2. I actually supported McCain until he got the nomination and moved right.
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BOTTOM LINE: If the republican party can't find a way to communicate their principals without insulting parts of the population they will continue to lose presidential elections.

Third_Eye said, "1- The Republicans allowed the Democrats to define them."

Akin and Mourdock did a fine job of defining themsekves without the Democrats help.

Third_Eye said, "2 - The Republicans did not address issues as they came up in the campaign, instead relying on the economy to see them through."

Incredible proposition. The Obama campaign had Romney on defense throughout the campaign. You didn't hear nearly as much about the economy as Romney had promised, simply because he could get no traction on the issue or enough time to go on offense.

Third_Eye said, "3- The Republicans lack a strong, young, charismatic leader and will need one for the opportunities that will come in 2016. The last paragraph in your 9:59 pm post addresses none of my point."

My 9:59 p.m. comment referred to two of your comments, and not your first two comments in this thread. Re-read my comment if you fail to understand that. Leadership is the least of the Republican problems. Allowing themselves to be usurped by the pseudo-Christian and tea party ideologies is a far greater barrier to the party restoring viability.

Third_Eye said, "Two previous posters wandered off the subject to Akin etc."

Your comment that, "Using Akin, Murdouch, and the birthers to represent the Republican party IS distortion," is what gave persons ample opportunity to expand on Akin and Mourdock.

Give it up Yada, your side won.

Poobah, to summarize my first post.
1- The Republicans allowed the Democrats to define them.
2- The Republicans did not address issues as they came up in the campaign, instead relying on the economy to see them through.
3- The Republicans lack a strong, young, charismatic leader and will need one for the opportunities that will come in 2016.
The last paragraph in your 9:59 pm post addresses none of my points. Two previous posters wandered off the subject to Akin etc.
Just once it would be nice if the lefties could answer a point instead of changing the subject.

As regular as clockwork, here come the articles with a blueprint to change the GOP. When the Reps win, we get articles stating how the right needs to moderate to "work with the left". After a loss, its scrawlings on how the GOP needs to be more like the dems.

The failed fiscal and social policies from the big three New York, California, and Illinois all run by entrenched democrat control, are what the national party thinks the whole country needs. Typical leftest rationalization; it is not the ideas are bad they just haven't been run right...yet. Hint; doing the same thing over expecting a different result fits right in there with delusion and insanity.

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/w...

"Under the health care law, if a company has more than 50 “full time equivalent” workers, a combination of full and part-time employees, but doesn’t offer “affordable” coverage that meets the government’s minimum value standard, the company will have to pay a penalty. This penalty is determined by the number of full-time employees minus 30 full-time employees. So to reiterate a very important point: part-time workers are not part of the penalty formula. The health care law creates a perverse incentive to hire part-time versus full-time workers."

More layoffs by the thousands announced this week. Will you be next?

The only thing wrong with the GOP is the uphill climb against media bias and suppression of the facts surrounding Obama.

Benghazi Barry got a free pass. As so did the Administration for the worse economy on record.

Buckle up, it's about to go even further into the sink hole.

I wonder if the liberals here understand that if Obama and the Democrats don't turn around this massive mess they will be out on their ears in 2016?
The unemployment will only be higher, the debt higher, gas, food, higher. Welfare higher.
What Democrat do you have in the wings that would even attempt to run on Obama's platform?
He blamed Bush for 8 years. Who can he blame in 2016 when it's three or four times worse?

The Romney campaign gave out $200,000 BONUSES to...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/elec...

Typical fear and her rhetoric, claiming others think or say something when it has never happened or been said.

The Republicans are just stooges. They have every excuse, and reason in the book for why they lost, but always fail to see the obvious reason. They simply nominated a BIG STIFF, who was totally UN-electable from "day one" (pun intended). This was so apparent during the primaries, and the most hilarious part was how Faux news (the GOP headquarters) and ALL the GOP party leaders and big $$ super PAC heavyweights just cleared the path for that clown. They twisted Cristie's and Rubio's arm NOT to run (either who would have very likely won). I guarantee you there was something going on behind the scenes on why the path was just cleared out for the big stiff. I mean they offered up as "competition" some pizza delivery guy, the wicked witch of the west, the Texas six gun gaf shooter, the disgruntled old white guy-career politician with multiple wives and concubines....Then mysteriously Huckabee, Cristie, and Rubio ALL decide not to run (and all were said to be running years prior). There was something going on. The big $$$$ GOP powers obviously wanted Romney, but were just to stupid to realize he had ZERO shot to win, no matter how bad the economy was.
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In any event, the GOP should be back strong in 2014. I see nothing but MAJOR economic problems as we go forward, all of which the President takes blame for basically ANYTHING that happens in today's age. People will be pissed at congress, but the President is the one who ultimately takes the fall for any course the country takes. Unless one made a lot on wagering Obama to win (wink) I don't see how anyone could have much joy in the Obama victory? Unless this monetary illusion can be kept going another 4 years, the economy only stands to flounder big time.

Now to the future of the GOP. I certainly dont think that the GOP is done for!! The rhetoric surrounding the defeat of Romney is astounding to me. The party has done a very poor job of fronting candidates. Mccain while a good man was a bad candidate, same goes for Rmoney. That was a poor choice! Paul Ryan could have beaten Obama in a general, I was shocked he didnt run as a top of ticket guy, he could have been the conservative "messiah" and a similar figure to Obama, he still may be.
The problem the Republicans DO have is that they are losing on social issues. People like RAF and the other hard right conservatives want a farther right candidate? Rmoney ran hard right to get the nomination, in the most hard right primary the country has ever witnessed!! I think that the growing minority population is a problem for Republicans who are viewed as the Old White mans party, righly or wrongly. And RAF suggests that they get older and whiter, or righter? If ther Repubs run a MORE conservative candidate they will lose again, because Hillary Clinton is waiting in 2016 and she is a very popular politican, like her or not. She is quitting the Sec of State job so she can begin her run, believe it.

Republican policy on Planned Parenthood hurts them with women, like it or not. The Republicans get harder right and run against a woman in the next election and they lose again!!
I believe that a guy like Marco Rubio would be an EXCELLENT choice for the next election. Very reasonable appealing young Hispanic who is moderate on certain social issues and conservative on Fiscal ones.
Mark my words if the Repubs dont change their tune in the next four years they may never win another national election. The growing minority population, and their harshness towards women and their health care decisions will keep them on the outside looking in, like Bill Clinton said best, "Its arithmatic!"
Alienating, hispanics, blacks, aisians and women spells decades of defeats unless the Repubs can re-invent themselves on social issues, they will have made themselves irrelavant. I may not agree with them, but a balance of power is needed in this country

""Thankfully we have complete Republican control of the state's government to insure that the rejected liberal message is effectively snuffed out!:)"" Thats great so now Wisconsin with its state conservative super majority can follow other states with similar super majorities, all at the TOP of the list when it comes to poverty, wages, and living conditions. Set your sights as low as possible?
916- Walker never won by 9 points in either one of his Gubenetorial elections, FALSE. . Walker took office on January 3, 2011, after defeating Democratic candidate Tom Barrett, obtaining 52% of the vote in the November 2010 general election. And in the recall it was 6% again? a very slim minority, so lets not suggest spankings based on false numbers.
I would also point out that the repubs were successful in the gerrymandering of the districts. Now they have 2 years to prove their mettle, a super majority to do as they please, because in the first 2 years Wisconsin is no better then when they took office, matter of fact worse. You can re-draw the lines of districts, but you CANNOT re draw the state as we just witnessed in the presidential election. According to my friend 916WI OBAMA and Tammy just spanked their Republican opponents, you know when Walker sees those numbers he is now sweating profusely.
All that being said I hope Wisconsin gets better, unlike republicans I refuse to hope for the worst when it comes to our future based on politicians in power. I have kids I want whats best for all of us. I dont believe that some mine in the northwoods will put even a small dent in the employment problem in this state, but now I am sure it will be the main focus. Looks like my fishing/camping dollars will now be going to MN/MI instead.

Third_Eye said, "Poobah; They (Akin & Murdouch)didn't even get traction during the campaign on the national stage even after a push by the Democrats."

Well, now you're changing the subject of your previous comment. You know, the one where you said, "Using Akin, Murdouch, and the birthers to represent the Republican party IS distortion."

And I replied, "No it isn't. Akin and Mourdock were indeed chosen by the Republican party to represent the Republican party."

Now, moving FORWARD to your second comment, I can offer you a bit of solace in that your statement has a bit of relevance. There was no time during the election cycle at which Romney had a viable path to an electoral college victory. So, even though Akin and Mourdock (it's Mourdock, not Murdoch) did have some impact on the presidential election, it could not have done anything but increased Obama's chances of winning. Obama was never in a position of losing the electoral college, not even following the first debate. Cheers!

"Schmidt traces GOP troubles with Hispanics to 1994, when voters with encouragement from Republican Gov. Pete Wilson enacted Proposition 187, which prohibited illegal immigrants from using health care, education or other social services.

The law eventually was overturned, but it left lingering resentment with many Hispanics at a time when the Latino population was growing swiftly and becoming increasingly important in elections."
Take away all of the free stuff and the natives--or in californa's case, the non-natives-- become restless!:)

Poobah; They (Akin & Murdouch)didn't even get traction during the campaign on the national stage even after a push by the Democrats.

The 2 party system collapsed a long time ago in California. Even the Republicans (Arnold) are Democrats.

Since there are many here that seem to think that Gary Johnson was sterling example of a good Libertarian candidate (including me, but boy, was I wrong),
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/candid...
In the last few months of the election Mr. Johnson had a large internet push to raise a million dollars to "get him on TV." He did raise the money, but click on the Expends tab, and tell me how much of that money Mr. Johnson spent getting his word out, and how much went to "administrative".
Turns out Mr. Johnson moved his campaign headquarters to where? Salt Lake City, just a walk from the Church of Latter Day Saints. Gary Johnson is not a Mormon, so why the move? NSON Opinion Strategies, or in other words the same exact address and building as Gary Johnson's campaign headquarters. There are deep connections between this conservative polling outfit, and Michelle Bachman, Orin Hatch and the founders of Citizens United.
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Gary Johnson was a scam, I and I fell for it too. Fake.

No they just don't like morons. My mistake.

No, they just like morons.

"The gender gap in the 2012 presidential election was the largest since Gallup began tracking the metric in 1952, according to data released by the polling firm on Friday.

President Obama won women by 12 percentage points, while Mitt Romney won men by 8. That’s a 20-point gender gap, edging out the 1984 election when Ronald Reagan defeated Democrat Walter Mondale in a landslide." [ http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-r... ]

Remember those test patterns that would be stuck on TV screens from late night until early morning? The conservatives are just like that; stuck wringing their hands over the racial gap while ignoring the historic gender gap problem that they have.

@RAF_ you are right the the black vote helped to elect Obama but certainly the almost exclusive southern white vote in states like Mississippi, Alabama etc. gave him a run for his money. Sonehow an exclusive white vote in southern states seems okay?

Third_Eye said, "Using Akin, Murdouch, and the birthers to represent the Republican party IS distortion."

No it isn't. Akin and Mourdock were indeed chosen by the Republican party to represent the Republican party.

"However, in 2016, when Obama is out of the picture, Black support enthusiasm for a Democratic candidate is less certain. Only 47 of respondents were “very enthusiastic” for a Democrat candidacy and 14 percent said they are more likely to vote for a Republican in the future if the candidate has civil rights issues on their agenda."

http://www.afro.com/sections/news/nation...

"Voters clearly reject the conservative message Republicans espouse"

If you consider losing an election by 2 percentage points as a clear rejection of the policies of the losing party, then Walker's spanking of the democratic candidate in the last election by over 9 points, would lead one to believe that liberal policies are overwhelmingly and completely rejected by the electorate in this state.......right?? Thankfully we have complete Republican control of the state's government to insure that the rejected liberal message is effectively snuffed out!:)

"President Barack Obama earned 45 percent of the Georgia vote on Tuesday, only a point or so off his 2008 performance. According to the NAACP poll, enthusiasm for re-electing the country’s first black president accounted for about 5 percentage points in Georgia this year.

Democrats “must quickly figure out how to motivate these voters who – if Obama is not at the top of the ticket – simply go away,” Jealous said."

http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-j...

Actually RAF was partially correct. The past two Republican nominees were moderates based on their political history. The problems stems from the Republican base. Republican leaders and most vocal supporters keep pushing their candidates to the extreme right. No candidate can get through the primary process unless they toe the extreme right party line. Plus aligning with the Tea Party has not helped. Voters clearly reject the conservative message Republicans espouse.

Using Akin, Murdouch, and the birthers to represent the Republican party IS distortion.

Obama has already invoked some socialism related policies, point: Faith based institutions having to file lawsuits because of the forceful attitude to adopt a healthcare policy that they don't believe in, abortafacients. Also under this administration Military Chaplains are not allowed to pray according to their dictates of their faith. These two infractions are unconstitutional. These are tip of the iceberg policies for the democrats.

thatwaseasy - Please tell me, what alternate universe do you get your information from? I also am very enthused by your analysis. I sincerely hope that the tacticians in the republican party follow your astute appraisal. I know it would be very beneficial.

Distortion! Are you kidding me! They made these statements out of their own mouths on television.I can't believe you haven't seen any of this with your vast knowledge of everything.

Paul Ryan did a televised interview with Josh Smith from WJHL.

Also 'chillin' are you unable to address the points of my earlier post without resorting to distortion?
I think not.

justchillin Nov 10, 2012 at 11:51 a.m.
You would have to show me the two items you supposedly quote from Romney and Ryan in context and not something Romney said years ago in another political lifetime.
As for the rest they are NOT LEADERS in the Republican party. They are minor political players (in the overall scheme of things) that the democrats used to represent the entire party.

justchillin......To lend some credibility to your argument, please reference the source where Paul Ryan made this statement--"Rape is just another form of conception"
Thanks.

Third_Eye: Lets step back in a moment of time shall we?

Republican Mitt Romney: Planned Parenthood,I'll get rid of that. Roe vs Wade: I hope to have that overturned.

Republican Paul Ryan: Rape is just another form of conception.

Republican Scott Brown: It isn't possible for a women to die from child birth with all of the modern technology these days.

Republican Aiken: The womens body has a way to shut that down.

Republican Murdouch: It is what God intended.

GOP Response: Crickets, otherwise we support them anyway.

It is sad to see America going downhill away from the strength of the American family & values our Greatest Generation knew all too well, ringing the true statement, "You reap what you sow".

The people at the top of the repub campaign sure got rich.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpVg3TwZP...

The Republicans allowed themselves to be defined by the democrats. For example, preventing federal funding of abortion has long been on the Republican platform. This was parlayed by the democrats into statements like "stop the funding of planned parenthood", and implied that Republicans wanted to overturn current abortion law. Among Republicans I didn't see a movement to make changes in abortion laws.
What the Republicans need is to confront issues like this. What we got instead is the constant drumbeat of familiar rhetoric.
While many have suggested what the Republicans need to do to win over voters, the bottom line is the party needs new leadership, like the ones that called for a more aggressive campaign that dealt with issues head on as they came up.
The Republicans will be facing a golden opportunity in 2016 if the economy does not improve by then. Let' hope they are up to the task.

Only the left re-write what's wrong with the right when all that's needed is a good solid Conservative. This election was all Obama. Do you on the left really seriously think that a Joe Biden or John Kerry would have won re-election in this failed economy? Now you're the party that had two top posts re-sign and reports of hundreds of thousands of lay-offs happening.
More people voted then people living in Colorado counties and Wisconsin counties on Illinois border and thousands upon thousands of military ballots suddenly show up the day after the election.
Nothing is wrong with the GOP that a little thing called voter ID wouldn't fix.

The GOP lost because they ran a fiscally liberal candidate. Romney would have made a better VP running mate for Obama. Ron Paul would have beat Obama.

That's naive Retiredairforce. Ron Paul was that candidate, and he was rejected by a vast majority of Americans. With the reach of the internet, Washington "pundits" and traditional media are less and less important. The only people I know who religiously follow the pundits are very right wing conservatives, and they almost exclusively immerse themselves in information that supports their beliefs, all the while wailing about the "liberal media", when they would only ever entertain the one viewpoint they've adopted to begin with. I haven't watched a cable news channel in 5 years, nor will I ever again.

Huntsman was the only Republican candidate that I felt had any integrity at all, besides Ron Paul, not that I agreed 100% with either one of them.

The 2 party structure is a reflection of the choices America and Americans have made. If we want a viable 3rd party, or 4th or 5th, they have to be financially supported, which means people have to make that choice. Either way, even with a 3rd or 4th party, like in other countries with many political parties, coalitions are formed, and in the end it still boils down to 2 basic choices. It's human nature.

The last 2 people that decided to run under the flag of the rep party were exactly what the media, and many on the left claimed they wanted, moderates. Until the 2 party structure is abolished the only way for a strong viable candidate under the rep flag to win will be to display and run as a fiscal and constitutional conservative. Stop listening to to the washington pundits and media "helpers" and run on what is right for the country.

Quite an amazing self-analysis of the Republican party by Gerson. Then he finished it up by saying, "The next Republican campaign will need to be capable of complex adjustments of ideology, policy and rhetoric."

I have a feeling the last adjustment, that of rhetoric, will be their preferred option. Much as it was this time with Romney's rhetoric about his frequently changing positions (yes, plural) on almost every single critical issue. It's going to take more than an adjustment to the rhetoric. Unless the Republican party divorces itself from the pseudo-Christian conservatives it won't be able to significantly alter its ideology and without divorcing itself from the tea party it won't be able to alter its policy. And what's left of the Republican party without pseudo-Christian conservatives and tea party fanatics? Certainly not a viable political party capable of winning national elections. So, rhetoric it is...right into the annals of history.