Janesville’s Ryan remains national election winner
While the Republican ticket of Romney-Ryan was defeated in Tuesday’s election, Paul Ryan may still prove to be a political winner. After re-election to his seat in the U.S. House of Representatives, despite a relatively strong Democratic challenger, he is well positioned to be a leader in the impending Washington tax and spending battles.
Ryan has made headlines and sparked debate with dramatic proposals for comprehensive budget reform. His measures focus heavily on health care. Ironically, the hostility generated may strengthen his hand in trying to avoid the dreaded “fiscal cliff,” which early next year would bring draconian budget cuts.
Democrats charge he wants to abandon the poor, evict the sick and pull that plug supporting Grandma. Republicans rejoin that the plan is essential to avoid bankruptcy.
The GOP argument may have mobilized the conservative party base, but earlier statements about Obama administration health care reforms hurt credibility. Sarah Palin, relentlessly crisscrossing the country in 2010 campaigning for right-wing tea party candidates, regularly raised the specter of “Democrat death panels” that would terminate the elderly.
With this background, Ryan’s serious approach could be persuasive, especially if he is willing to be flexible. To criticism that proposed cuts are harsh and insensitive, the Republicans can reply: What is your alternative?
The Democratic left wing in Congress has frustrated party efforts to hammer out detailed alternatives to Ryan’s proposals. President Obama ignored the proposals of his own Simpson-Bowles deficit reduction commission and largely abdicated leadership regarding Congress.
More generally, Republican emphasis on “supply-side economics” can aid deficit reduction efforts. The U.S. economy has doubled in nominal value every decade since 1940, the most remarkable growth record in world history.
Relative growth has been slower over the past decade and a half, but recovery from severe recession is also under way. Even limited economic recovery will increase revenue, providing breathing room to negotiate agreement and avoid the feared fiscal cliff.
During World War II, U.S. debt levels were higher than today, yet we paid down the burden. Ryan suggests that era was different because we owed “ourselves,” not foreigners, but earlier conservative William F. Buckley Jr. condemned this argument as rationalization—debt and the welfare state were always bad.
Ryan demonstrates that conservatives have accepted a more active role for government in providing social services. The argument is about means, not ends.
Over the coming weeks, Paul Ryan can position himself well to be the 2016 or 2020 Republican presidential nominee, or the next speaker of the House of Representatives. Demonstrating serious bipartisanship, however, will be crucial.
Arthur I. Cyr is Clausen distinguished professor at Carthage College and author of “After the Cold War.” Reach him at acyr@carthage.edu.


Nov 14, 2012 at 8:16 p.m.
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lol. like I predicted, comments were turned off at http://www.gazettextra.com/news/2012/nov... within minutes.
Nov 14, 2012 at 7:11 p.m.
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MBHammer "As Rush says, "It's difficult to compete with Barack-O-Clause"." Please state exactly what you believe President Obama is giving away. Afterall, Rush Limbaugh is such a creditable source.
Nov 14, 2012 at 4:26 p.m.
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I am glad that BO found time to get his gray hair dyed, he was looking kind of "old".
Nov 14, 2012 at 4:07 p.m.
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Goodbye Obamacare, Hello Mining Bill
Nov 14, 2012 at 4:07 p.m.
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I lost mousezi? True the GOP didn't gain back the WH but nothing changed. I lost nothing.
The GOP gained back full control of Wisconsin. Seems to me, you lost.
Nov 14, 2012 at 3:12 p.m.
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Benghazi Barry is signing copies of Jim Carrey's movie "Liar Liar"
I heard it's mousezi's favorite.
Nov 13, 2012 at 5:35 p.m.
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Wisconsin....winning!
Nov 13, 2012 at 4:28 p.m.
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wislady hasn't seen the election results.
Romney/Ryan=LOSERS
Nov 13, 2012 at 12:49 p.m.
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Of course Paul Ryan is a winner. Otherwise, why are the liberals still whining about him?
Nov 13, 2012 at 11:49 a.m.
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yada
Nov 13, 2012 at 5:07 a.m.
BROTHERKOCH - Your "rapture" comment to 916 was funny and true.
Of course it is mouse, you said it. Wow - commenting on yourself. How much lower does a person get?
Nov 13, 2012 at 11:27 a.m.
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As Rush says, "It's difficult to compete with Barack-O-Clause".
Nov 13, 2012 at 5:07 a.m.
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BROTHERKOCH - Your "rapture" comment to 916 was funny and true. Ryan is no - as the headline says - "national Election Winner" - He has returned to a city that has voted against him.
MILWAUKEE JOURNAL SENTINEL - "He LOST his hometown of Janesville TWICE - By 10 points for Congress and by 25 points for Vice President" - Maybe he should try modeling...like in Time magazine.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepoliti...
Ryan Pix
http://globalgrind.com/news/paul-ryan-wo...
**Pix above may shw a future Backstreet Boy replacement with hat on backwards???
The marathon
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...
Nov 13, 2012 at 12:06 a.m.
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Bowlgal said-"UN involvement in US constitution" WHAT??? You my dear have jumped off the cliff, what a lunatic you are!! Back to the alleys maybe? the rest of your statement was pretty silly as well. Ignoring the FACTS as oneday put them forth is troubling as well. Par for the course of the rightwing squakers on these boards.
Real MATH and statistics really suck when they prove that your opinions are for the most part false. And then the UN thing?? You gonna hunker down with the Judge in Texas who believes that Obama is going to hand over the nation to the UN and threatened a Civil War? Lay off the sauce lady its really getting to you.
Nov 12, 2012 at 11:49 p.m.
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916WI - too funny. You seem like a lost puppy since your patriotic Rapture didn't occur last week.
Nov 12, 2012 at 9:58 p.m.
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I laugh at all the wingnuts trying to justify their views, or to generate an issue. Guess what? You lost.
Get out of your echo chamber of Fox/Rush/Rove. etc.
Nov 12, 2012 at 8:12 p.m.
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So the only specific plan you can point to is tax cuts? Isn't that what the dem party claimed created all the problems?
Nov 12, 2012 at 7:17 p.m.
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From losing 700,00 jobs a month a gain of 3.6 million jobs.
Housing recovery: The latest reading of the Case-Shiller House Price Index went positive on a year-over-year basis for the first time in 21 months.
Government reported last week that GDP grew 2% in the third quarter.
Improvement in consumer spending and housing.
"Bring jobs back to the U.S. by eliminating tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas, and creating incentives for businesses to bring jobs back to America."
President Obama passed reform laws to prevent Wall street from causing another financial collapse and bailout. "His budget includes investments in education, manufacturing, and infrastructure, while cutting spending to its lowest level as a share of the economy in more than 50 years. "
"President Obama has put forward a specific, balanced plan of spending cuts and revenue increases that reduce the deficit by more than $4 trillion over the next decade, including $1 trillion in spending cuts he signed into law last summer as part of a deal with congressional Republicans."
If you care to find out the details
http://www.barackobama.com/taxes?source=...
Nov 12, 2012 at 6:42 p.m.
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916...How about just for starters the Jobs Bill
1. Tax Cuts to Help America’s Small Businesses Hire and Grow
2. Putting Workers Back on the Job While Rebuilding and Modernizing America
3.Pathways Back to Work for Americans Looking for Jobs.
4. Tax Relief for Every American Worker and Family
You can read the details at http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-offi...
Nov 12, 2012 at 6:20 p.m.
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Bro--Too funny! I didn't even have to make reference to your stupidity in this comments section. You did the job quite wonderfully for me!:)
Nov 12, 2012 at 3:16 p.m.
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"not to point it out"
Did that to make you feel better.
Nov 12, 2012 at 3:15 p.m.
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I saw that mistype, but was kind enough to not to point it, since the past week has you flummoxed.
Nov 12, 2012 at 2:31 p.m.
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"policies"
Nov 12, 2012 at 2:25 p.m.
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Oneday....which specific polices of obama's are working to the point that Republican's should get behind them?
Nov 12, 2012 at 1:34 p.m.
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The election is over.
It used to be that when a President was elected the country accepted it and gave the Presidents policies time to work and if they didn't he lost re-election. Obama's policies are working and the economy is recovering, albeit , slowly. The American people have spoken, give it more time. Afterall, it did take 11 years to recover from the Great Depression. Instead of undermining the President, why not be a true American and support policies that are working instead of trying to find every negative news article about what has gone wrong. Maybe we'd all be better off if we would focus on what has gone right.
Nov 12, 2012 at 12:37 p.m.
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Bowlgal said, "Oh, so it's Cantor's fault. Not the FBI or the White House."
I'm glad you've cleared that up and hope you enjoy some relief from your ill feelings soon.
Nov 12, 2012 at 12:02 p.m.
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Oh, so it's Cantor's fault. Not the FBI or the White House. Yea, Okay.
-Report: FBI Suppressed Petraeus Scandal to Protect Obama
You know, It's just sad that Obama is so ashamed of his policies and behavior that so much was suppressed or his plans were hidden.
Why so ashamed?
Be careful Democrats. Be careful you don't take it so far the next Candidate that doesn't have the same "likeability" as Obama brings down your party.
It's just one election away.
Nov 12, 2012 at 11:50 a.m.
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Yes, Bowlgal, I doubt nothing can diminish your palpable ill feelings which surely are exasperated upon learning that two Republicans, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and Rep. Dave Reichert (R-WA), knew about the Petraeus scandal for some time now.
"House Majority Leader Eric Cantor knew in October about former CIA Director David Petraeus' involvement in an extramarital affair, a spokesman for the congressman told CNN on Sunday. [...] The Times reported that Cantor learned of the whistle-blower through Rep. Dave Reichert, R-Washington." [ http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/11/us/petraeu... ]
Nov 12, 2012 at 11:31 a.m.
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Bowlgal..of course he golfs...it's the one thing he might get better at.
Nov 12, 2012 at 11:16 a.m.
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Doesn't it just make you ill to see all the news coming out after the election? Sky rocketing food stamps with held, affairs, scandals, deep problems from Sandy, massive layoffs due to Obamacare, 6000 new regulations, UN involvement in US constitution and Obama golfs.
Nov 12, 2012 at 9:54 a.m.
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Ryan is pro govt spending (defense IS government spending children.) And pro tax breaks for the uber-wealthy. A formula for higher deficits and national debt.
Nov 12, 2012 at 9:53 a.m.
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Ryan hasn't offered any way out of the national debt.
Nov 12, 2012 at 8:08 a.m.
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We understand some people's need to be unusual; particularly when it helps to mask the impact of their most cherished economic policies.
Nov 12, 2012 at 8:02 a.m.
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"Usually", just another way to attempt spinning from the truth; national debt increased every year under Clinton, as it has every year since 1957.
Nov 12, 2012 at 7:53 a.m.
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"Debt burden is usually measured as a ratio of public debt to gross domestic product." [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_... ]
That's true unless you want to ignore the impact of inflation and the size of our economic output; then you use raw debt numbers as most conservatives do when trying to mask the disastrous effects of trickle down economics. The re-election of Obama was a repudiation, in part, of Romney's desire to return to trickle down policies with deeper tax cuts for the wealthy.
Nov 12, 2012 at 6:35 a.m.
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Obama and the National Debt: President Misleads Public on His Role In Exploding the National Debt
http://www.policymic.com/articles/15723/...
Nov 12, 2012 at 2:39 a.m.
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janesvillean you are entitled to your own delusions but not your own set of facts.
Year______National Debt
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 4,064,620,655,521.66
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/repor...
Nov 12, 2012 at 1:03 a.m.
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Take one look at the following chart and it's clear why conservatives don't like talking about debt as a percentage of GDP. Debt as a percentage of GDP by president: [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Fed... ]
A very nice graph of debt as a percentage of GDP by president. Every Republican administration since Ford has significantly increased debt as a percentage of GDP. Not the same can be said of Democrat administrations, going all the way back to the end of World War II. Reagan/Bush I more than doubled it. Bush II increased the ratio by almost 30%. Bush II used 9/11 as cart blanche to go on his borrowing frenzy to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and bailouts, leaving our economy in a shambles.
Nov 12, 2012 at 12:45 a.m.
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RetiredAirForce, you are wrong, but that's not surprising. Clinton did reduce the national debt by $70 billion since the four budgets through FY 2001 had more in surplus than the four budgets through FY 1997. Math is something Republicans reject because it's a little like "facts" and "science", but that's the reality you would rather deny.
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The next fella, whatsisname, added over $3 trillion to the debt, and his vice president actually said "Deficits don't matter." (Look it up.) And he wasn't using that debt to feed and shelter people, he was paying American men and women to risk their lives looking for weapons of mass destruction that did not exist (and a few other things).
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So we're pretty tired of you hypocrites trying to lord it over us because time and again you get into office and increase the debt by more, and crash the economy and leave it to us to pick up the pieces. Liars and incompetents are not the people we should be looking to for solutions.
Nov 11, 2012 at 10:46 p.m.
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I get a kick out of the "claim" of a surplus coming from the Clinton years. These same people just ignore that the debt increased every year he was in office. Math is not that hard, the debt is the sum of deficits/surplus. If the debt increased each year it is clear there was a deficit each year. Ignoring facts doesn't change reality, or history.
The only thing more funny is pretending adding almost 6 trillion to the debt under this president was the fault of the last one.
Nov 11, 2012 at 7:12 p.m.
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oops! actually thought is was wise....must need stronger glasses, Lol
Nov 11, 2012 at 6:53 p.m.
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The most "transparent" administration has taken lies and coverup to a new level.
Nov 11, 2012 at 6:43 p.m.
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"wiselady- no offense but they ALL lie, and I am respectful"
then please address your response with my correct username.
Nov 11, 2012 at 5:24 p.m.
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wiselady- no offense but they ALL lie, and I am respectful, which is why I hate all the narrow minded comments some people direct at others. Everyone has the right to believe what they want, but nobody has the right to force their ideas on someone else. Just because someone thinks something, doesn't mean they are right, they do however have the right to think it. The point is some people always point fingers and try to shove their ideas down everone elses throat. So my message to ALL is don't be THAT person. And thank you for correcting my name, I do appriciate it.
Nov 11, 2012 at 5:14 p.m.
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wislady said, "And I hate the fact that we have a president who lies..."
Then you must be terribly relieved that Romney lost. I can't imagine your distress had he won.
Nov 11, 2012 at 5:08 p.m.
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And I hate the fact that we have a president who lies (Benghazi), along with the DOJ (Fast and Furious), and Sebellius (HHS secretary).
Nov 11, 2012 at 5:07 p.m.
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pretty bad when you loose your own county..
Nov 11, 2012 at 5:07 p.m.
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pretty bad when you loose your own county..
Nov 11, 2012 at 5:05 p.m.
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bryn
Please be respectful, I took the time to correct an error with your name.
Nov 11, 2012 at 4:51 p.m.
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wiselady-it's the majority of voters who blame Bush, keep Obama out of it. I don't agree 100% with our president, but he did't create this mess, therefore I will not blame him. When we only think one way we miss a whole world out there. Just like I hate the fact that our money paid for Ryan's protection, but I don't deny that it was what needed to be done at the time. Don't care who it is, there are certain things that have to happen in the world we live in.
Nov 11, 2012 at 4:49 p.m.
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bryn...correction
This is only one, there are numerous articles, but MSM is doing a great job at hiding the stories. You can do your own research (not Google, obviously) and see for yourselves.
Evidence of massive Obama voter fraud in Colorado! Ten counties show 104% to 140% turnout!
http://www.redstate.com/2012/09/04/color...
Nov 11, 2012 at 4:41 p.m.
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So, byn, is obama going to continue to blame Bush through two terms of HIS presidency?
Nov 11, 2012 at 4:23 p.m.
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donnaw- Obama is STILL digging out from Bush. Like I said before some people have too much time, all they want to do is attack others. Maybe those folks should find something productive to do like, I don't know, help those in need, pull weeds at Rotary, clearly they need a positve hobbie 'cause all I see from them is negative. It makes me very sad to see the same couple of people ALWAYS on the attack here, I am sorry life is sooo boring that you can find no other outlet. This is a great place for opinions', but just cause you think it, doesn't always make you right. Don't belive everythink you think, keep your eyes and mind open.
Nov 11, 2012 at 4:08 p.m.
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With her 140% comment, blisslady is confusing Russia with the USA - again.
Nov 11, 2012 at 3:57 p.m.
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Wislady you can not explain why Ryan can not even win in Janesville. And then you throw out some silly statements with no facts! Really and you wonder why no one can take the right wing BS.
Nov 11, 2012 at 3:54 p.m.
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poobah
No one said the president is elected with popular vote, quit trying to argue something that isn't in dispute.
Nov 11, 2012 at 3:51 p.m.
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wasp2491
Conservatives need to practice the GOTV and the "Knock and Drag" techniques so that we can have over 140% voter turnout like dems did. Amazing, more votes than people in the county!
It doesn't take much analyzing to see the horrendous fraud that was used in this election.
Hopefully, before another presidential election, the voting system will be made secure and honest.
Nov 11, 2012 at 3:18 p.m.
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donnaw said, "Her math was correct for the popular vote..but go ahead, avoid facts."
donnaw, it seems that you and wislady are avoiding the fact that the popular vote doesn't elect the president; wislady and you are comparing apples and oranges. Presidents are elected by the electoral college; congressional members are elected by the popular vote. Compare the numbers that elect the officeholders and Obama's victory point spread was more than twice that of Ryan...23 to 10. FORWARD!
Nov 11, 2012 at 1:44 p.m.
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bryn...oh we're back to blaming Bush. Just think what an awful economy Obama has just inherited from himself. Now we can blame him for the last four years.
Nov 11, 2012 at 1:10 p.m.
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Hellooo people, stop blaming Obama for the deficit, we had a surpluss when Bush took office, and a huge deficit when he left. Takes more than 4 years to overcome that. And some of you have far too much time on your hands, get out and make a difference in your community instead of crying how bad things are. ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU, WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY.
Nov 11, 2012 at 11:28 a.m.
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The Republicans only retained their dominance in the House because of gerrymandering. The Democrats received 500,000 more votes than the Republicans did, and yes, Ryan can't even carry the town or county he calls home. Telling, no?
Nov 11, 2012 at 11:09 a.m.
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wislady - I am absolutely sure you are right! You always are of course. Rmoney has long history of showing up at disaster scenes hammer in hand ready to pitch in. Ryan also has a long history of helping at charitable events. When local charities were asked at the time of his pot scrubbing fiasco, not one local charity could ever remember him making an appearance. I do enjoy watching you folks analyze what went wrong. I hope the gop strategists agree with all of you. I think you have great ideas that will work well in the next election.
Nov 11, 2012 at 7:44 a.m.
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I know that if Romney had won, he would not have gone golfing on Saturday as the hurricane victims still beg for food, heat, and clothing.
Nov 11, 2012 at 7:41 a.m.
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Speaking of dreams....lol
Nov 11, 2012 at 6:52 a.m.
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I think the guv is lucky he wasn't running or he could very well be looking for a job himself. The assembly candidates didn't do too well here in Rock County either. The senate candidates were running in newly gerrymandered districts. Not quite as simple to analyze as some of you folks would like. But I will will leave you with your dreams.
Nov 11, 2012 at 5:22 a.m.
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poo... Her math was correct for the popular vote..but go ahead, avoid facts. As far as Ryan.. He is too smart and too good a person for Janesville. And those who criticized him for taking time for his family are laughable when Obama has spent most of last year campaigning, visiting his Hollywood buddies, playing golf or being on fluffy tv shows. Some President!
Nov 11, 2012 at 5:18 a.m.
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WISLADY AND Abortion comments - AND duh Repub;icans put us in wars where innocent people are killed & brave U.S. soldiers are fighting wars that we should not be in. Bush knew that NO WMD existed.
http://www.salon.com/2007/09/06/bush_wmd...
"Casualites in Iraq"
http://antiwar.com/casualties/
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/national/...
Nov 11, 2012 at 5:07 a.m.
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hint hint to P a u l R y a n ---> Not a leader in Janesville. That is why the people voted AGAINST YOU.
ZERBAN DEFEATED RYAN 54% TO 44%
http://m.jsonline.com/more/news/17799849...
Nov 10, 2012 at 8:49 p.m.
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wislady said, "I believe Ryan won over Zerban by more than 10 per cent...Obama won over Romney by 2 per cent."
The popular vote doesn't elect presidents; the electoral college does. Obama won the electoral college, 332 to 206 (61.7% to 38.3%). Now, let's revisit your math, wislady. Obama won by more than 23 point margin over Romney. Oh dear.
Nov 10, 2012 at 8:34 p.m.
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the election was over Tuesday. enough of LYIN RYAN AND THE RYAN GAZETTE
Nov 10, 2012 at 7:34 p.m.
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I guess some people believe balancing the budget is extreme. These are the same people who don't think partial birth abortion (even up to the ending month of pregnancy) is what NOT extreme. They believe in the "right" kill babies, but protest when wolves or deer are hunted.
Nov 10, 2012 at 7:18 p.m.
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I believe Ryan won over Zerban by more than 10 per cent...Obama won over Romney by 2 per cent.
Democrats control the Senate , republicans control the House, and Obama holds the Executive Office.
In Wisconsin, Walker and the republicans control the branches of government. Sounds like a win for Wisconsin....no obamacare.
Nov 10, 2012 at 4:11 p.m.
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Not only did Ryan lose Rock County and Janesville, he lost his own ward. His neighbors say he and his family are nice but they just don't beleive in his extreme politics. Ryan isn't a man for Janesville. He is a man for the new district which includes Walkersha. What he needs to realize is that the country spoke and has decided which way they want to go when the elected Obama/Biden. Now maybe he will turn down his extremism.
Nov 10, 2012 at 3:26 p.m.
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So wislady how do you explain how Ryan lost Janesville twice in one election! this will good to hear.
Nov 10, 2012 at 3:25 p.m.
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"Ryan demonstrates that conservatives have accepted a more active role for government in providing social services."
Arthur, turn your calendar forward several months. April Fools Day has long passed.
Nov 10, 2012 at 1:59 p.m.
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If you don't know, I hope you didn't vote in the last election.
Nov 10, 2012 at 12:58 p.m.
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dtb, What path did they choose? Describe.
Nov 10, 2012 at 6:26 a.m.
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"good articles" not "food articles"
Nov 10, 2012 at 5:53 a.m.
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The Fox article described how the street markets and little shops are mostly closed now because of the turmoil and not able to make enough money to stay in business.
Nov 10, 2012 at 5:51 a.m.
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Lets hope Obama can be as successful with our debt reduction as the Prime Minister of Greece has been in negotiating a financial deal with his coalition of the left and the right in his country. They agreed to raise the retirement age, I believe immediately from 65 to 67 , cut govt pensions by 15% and cut public wages by a third. CNN and FOX have food articles on this. There are some frightening articles on what is going on in Greece. Let us be warned. The CNN piece said the gov't has been warned for over 20 years that they needed to cut expenses.
Nov 10, 2012 at 5:36 a.m.
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dtb...yeah, the voters would like to continue on this path we've been on the last four years, blind dumb and headed for the financial cliff. Obama can bribe people to vote for him by promising all kinds of personal goodies but he doesn't know squat about getting this country back on economic progress.
Nov 9, 2012 at 7:20 p.m.
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Congrats to Ryan, and looking forward to him returning to the Budget Committee to school Obama in the deficit issue.
Next up, the republican majority in Wisconsin and the 2013 legislature.
Nov 9, 2012 at 2:49 p.m.
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And the people of his own Rock County and Janesville are not buyin Lyin Ryan.
http://199.233.45.158/results11062012
Nov 9, 2012 at 2:26 p.m.
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Sorry Cyr; the American people rejected the Ryan path loud and clear.
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