"the people who choose not to work" vato, I love it when you pull that one out. In this economy, with jobs so plentiful, anyone not working must be a freeloader who doesn't want a job.

Walker, Walker, Walker, Walker, Walker!!!
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ezoner how on earth are you to "plan" for a 30 year mortage? Again, your ridiculousness precludes you. At what point doesnt a person or family experience something or another in the way of an income change? So they are to set a 30 year plan forth? You see the lunacy in that? Dont really care to hear the answer from someone who is judge and jury as a slumlord.

Fear -- thats the problem - People dont plan period at any amount. They stretch their budgets to the max and then leverage their future incomes against property value growth and when it goes bad, they want help and support.

ezoner if they are making it before a politician comes along and essentially changes the rule due to no fault of their own they lose large amounts of salary be itb 600(shreks numbers) or800-100 a month in takehome pay how were they living high on the hog? No one can ever plan for that large a loss in income, especially when its politically motivated.

Teah Shrek emotion exists when you have the rug pulled out from you by no fault of your own. Yet you seem to ignore that some of your own facts are false. There are NO agreements to exchange salary for benefits, NONE!! Your comment about that is based in a supposition on your part, hardly a factual argument. Two teachers in the JSD living in the same home pay full insurance, there is no exchanges, so please spare me your condescention.

Fear,
You are playing the emotion argument, rather than the factual argument. Time to end this conversation, you have once again quit using reason.

Here is a great visualization of a compilation of many polls. The compilation of polls have it 49.4% Walker and 48.6% Barrett. But Barrett is making a big move in the last week and the timing of that swing looks very, very good for Barrett. [ http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com... ]

I thought that I was reading adult posts here. Funny, how some people act like children with their name calling.

"If teachers want a defined benefit retirement plan, then they need to pitch in for the cost."

They already put in 100% of the cost - it's called deferred compensation.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/20...

Lets see if Barrett has some substance in the debate tomorrow night. Tell us what you would do differently to cut the spending. You are a lawyer and know Walker cannot talk about the investigation. Milwaukee, jobs, no, Taxes raised, crime up, but you have a new trolly.

Fear -- These families that would lose their homes were living well beyond their means in the 1st place. By your own admission, they have the 1200-1500 in house payment and 2 car payments. If this is true, then they were over committed anyway. They need to scale back.

Vato you buy a home you CAN afford and 10 years later getting the rug pulled, isnt as plain and simlpe as you like to make it sound, wake up!!

""Most districts allow for some type of salary in exchange for not taking insurance.""
False!! This is not true at all. You have family coverage and there is NO "salary exchange" available! I am standing by what I know to be true. Families will be selling/losing homes because of these changes, things may be great for you shrek , but many families will suffer greatly because of these "reforms". Just because its not your family doesnt mean that it doesnt exist, it does!

"I will continue to have high integrity," Walker said.
Every Wisconsonite should see this for what it is.
Walker backers, name one thing that Walker has done that has the faintest smell of integrity.

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RetiredAirForce, you tend to only call people trolls when they confront you and ask you to explain the hypocrisy of your comments. If people sidestep the hypocrisy, you're happy to go on your merry way without name calling. However, your use of the nickname "poo_koch," which is nothing more than a not so cleverly veiled gay slur, has been quite consistent lately. Prior to poo_koch, it was No2, and most any kid who spent time on the schoolyard knows what that is a reference to. Add to that the fact you recently called me another derogatory name, which wasn't at all cleverly disguised, and the Gazette staff removed. It's quite obvious what's going on. You don't like being called out on your hypocritical comments and hope to intimidate people into not bringing up the frequent hypocrisy in your comments.

What prompted your trolling comments and gay slur username this time was various individuals asking you, and commenting, about the hypocrisy of your comment about people not paying taxes and trying to reconcile that with the fact that you pay zero state income taxes on your military retirement income. Something many veterans pay in other states. In the past, you've criticized Warren Buffet and other billionaires for being hypocrites because they support higher tax rates on themselves. You said they could pay extra taxes at any time if they really wanted to. Well, if you're really so concerned about people not paying taxes on their income, you can mail a check to the state at any time, just like you said Buffett can. You could donate the same percentage others pay in state income tax to the state at any time.

This is a case of you being asked about two hypocritical comments, hence, you roll out the gay slur username of "poo_koch" and the "troll" moniker in full force to deflect attention from the issue.

Gandalf your faux attitude over calling a person something they are, a troll, is no different then your clamoring remarks like idealogues, ideological extremism, and Nazi-like. As is typical of your left wing rants you want others to fashion their behavior and comments in a certain manner while you don't. I suggest you climb down from your ivory tower...

Fear,
My numbers are from other school districts, it is readily available information if you feel like taking the time to look. My calculations are based on 5.8% of the salary towards retirement and 12.6% of the insurance cost which I used a low $20,000 per year for a family. Unless the family is unmarried they only should have to pay for the insurance one time, unless your district doesn't allow for dropping the duplicate coverage. Most districts allow for some type of salary in exchange for not taking insurance.

Scuba

Koch's AFP flooding Wisconsin with out-of-state thugs to undermine our democracy - 40 buses!!

http://cognidissidence.blogspot.com/2012...

See, what did I tell you?

"A troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the PRIMARY INTENT of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

For a guy who has "nothing to offer in any discussion," I sure seem to get a response from you with almost every comment I make, RetiredAirForce. You flatter me to no end.

poo_koch you continue with your pedantic troll behavior, you have nothing to offer in any discussion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Inte...)

The major Flaw in your numbers shrek is that both teachers have to pay the FAMILY contribution which is substantially higher. I am also curious where your numbers come from. Its based on the cost of the Health plan NOT the salaries of the educators. Do you have access to what the cost per family plan x 2 is in Janesville?
916- Nonsense? You may not support the bank bailout, but I still hear from you and so many others about how tough it is all over and how everyone is struggling. Who is at fault for that? Is it public educators? Manly the fault of very wealthy bankers ,no? And yet in the name of capoitalism and free enterprise you and so many others oppose a "modest" tax increase on the upper 1-3% of job creators, why? The tax cuts certainly havent created any jobs, why do these people keep getting the most benefits from the tax code and yet so many like yourself who say "I am not wealthy" dont think they should pay the same rate as I do , OR as you do on your income. Offering Capital Gains cuts as another tax dodge. If you are not wealthy then why for all the special treatment of wealthy folks? Why is it that you and so many others believe that 2/3 of businesses in Wisconsin pay no state income tax? So the job creators pay no income taxes on their business profits, pay malf the percentage rate that I do, and I should sit here and listen to all this real world crap? Who is it thats not living in the real world? Tell me how many families in your version of the real world have 2 incomes that pay for family health care insurance coverage as the families of 2 teachers do?
Shrek please link your source as to the cost of the insurance cost of teachers here in Janesville. From the people I have been talking that are teachers in the district they are facing a 400-500 dollar a month hit on take home pay , maybe thats before taxes, I dont know for sure. Multiply that x 2 and there you have it. Again please source your numbers about insurace cost, because that is the percentage that you should be working with, not based on salary, since were nitpicking.

Fear......Rule with an iron fist? No. But follow though on the beliefs of those that supported/voted for him? Absolutely. I don't understand why this is such a surprise--Doyle did the same thing when he shut the Republicans out of the process when the democrats had control of our state's government. There is no grey area--either you are for or against union influence of our public sector. Walker has made it clear that he is against it, he has been and will once again be put into office by residents of the state that also share this mindset. He would be a total hypocrite if he went against the will of his supporters........
Your comment, "TEACHERS fault that the global economy bit the dust right? Subsidize big banks and screw the educators. Love your take on society" is more dramatic nonsense. No one is claiming that the recession is the fault of the teachers. While we're at it, find me one post where I agreed with the Wall Street bailout or subsidizing of any of the banks.
What I am against is your mindset of screw the middle class homeowners to subsidize the public sector. While the teachers didn't cause the recession, you seem to think that they should be completely insulated from it to the point that we should increase property taxes(which are already some of the highest in the country) to continue subsidizing this group. That is what I have a problem with. This group that you want to hit again, the middle class home owner, has already felt the effects of the recession. The whining of the public sector regarding 5.8% pension contributions and not having fully funded HC premiums has fallen on deaf ears with good reason......
BTW--I am FAR from wealthy. I actually make much less than many of the teachers I have spoken about here--the product of choosing a job I love going to over a career in the field I earned a degree in. I was/am extremely smart with my finances though, allowing me to basically live with a minimal amount of debt.......maybe that something that these people you know need to really work on........

Fear,
I plugged in the numbers for a family making $85,000 per year and they would have a maximum out of pocket reduction of $621.00. I realize that this is not small, but it is substantially less than the $800-$1000 that you mentioned. $410 of the $621 is for pension benefits, similar to what most of us put into our 401k.
It is not teacher bashing, just simple reality. The benefit cost is unsustainable and to think that we can pay for it by taxing the rich is a fallacy, there is not enough money available. If teachers want a defined benefit retirement plan, then they need to pitch in for the cost.

Ezoner_ iactually dont disagree with you on that point. You still have to take into account that not just one parent is taking a rather substantial hit on income here. Planning for that large of an income hit is nearly impossible. Lets also not act as if these folks were counting on some kind of crazy raise to susteain their families. Having car payments , saving for your kids college and having a mortage are all a part of the "American Dream" are they not? Over extending your credit is one thing, but when you suddenly lose say 800-1000 a month that you are used to having because a new party gets elected I think it gets tough to plan any type of future. Things in the economy happen, I get it. When my twins were born we had to make HUGE sacrifices. This attempt to balance the budget on the backs of folks who had nothing to do with its unbalance is preposterous, to act as if this is the first time this state has faced this type of shortfall is equally as dumb. Look back to the end of Tommy thompson, there was a 2 billion dollar plus hole that McCallum tried to plug with the tobacco settlement, why do you think Baldy(Doyle) got elected in the first place?

RAF - what was your rank when you retired from the USAF? As a taxpayer, I would like to know.

RetiredAirForce said, "Ironically since not all business's or people do pay taxes you still think all pay for it; sad."

RetiredAirForce said, "The fact is Warren, Obama, and even you can pay more taxes at any time if any of you really wanted to. Claiming any of you "want" to, but not until others do it, is nothing less than more of the same in this game of class warfare; the only thing missing is the term fairness." May 5, 2012 at 1:36 a.m. [ http://gazettextra.com/news/2012/may/03/... ]

You could practice what you preach, RetiredAirForce, with your military retirement pay on which you pay no state income tax. Far from being pedantic.

Fear -- I read your example of teh $85k family and they are over committed finnacially. Pure and simple. They have either too much house or too many NEW cars. They are living well beyond their means. I know a family with far less committed making $30k more. 1 car payment, $600/month house, plus normal benefits and living costs.

I would tell your freinds that they need to scale things back and should never have stretched their crdit commitments as far as they did.

TheUsualSuspect or is it another poster? How did you confuse a Walker plan with medical reform for our nation? A prudent approach to the cost question would be to ask those that perform it, I suspect you knew that before making a silly rhetorical question.

poo_koch just as you have shown how being a pedantic troll displays you have nothing to offer in any discussion.

Fear......no hysterics at all.....just calling bs, bs when I see it. We all know that you consistently exaggerate numbers to support your beliefs. I'm guessing you got the "salaries cut by a third" from one of the chain emails sent out by the unions.
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/stat...
To your credit, you "revised" your claim downward in the next post. The facts are the facts. I also know several teachers, and they were doing just fine financially before Walker and they will be doing just fine financially after Walker's reforms are implemented. Even if we were take your numbers as being accurate--and that's a big "if", it is unfortunate that your family of 3 cannot find a way to live on $85,000 a year without selling their house. Perhaps they overextended themselves? What I think it totally pathetic is that you are completely numb to the fact that people in the private sector are losing their houses every day, yet, despite the fact that we have some of the highest residential real estate taxes in the country, you are one of the biggest advocates of "tax to the max" out there. That's what I find truly pathetic. I'm just thankful that Walker had the will to see his reforms through. Judging by the polls, it looks like a majority of the state agrees with me:)

RAF, liberals rational?

RetiredAirForce, being honest and factual does not preclude being hypocritical at the same time, as you have demonstrated time and again.

" I honestly believe that Scott Walker could kill someone and you cowpokes would follow him right in the fire."
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So glad the left fringe can stay rational in their thoughts.

poo_koch as is typical of your trollish behavior, not only do you offer nothing to the topic you continually post off topic comments.

I understand reading comprehension is a chore for you, so I will try to be kind(ish). My remarks on taxes was a REPLY to a poster who claimed ALL did pay taxes. I merely stated the truth in my comment, not all pay taxes. Your input to all this was a link showing retired school teachers, retired state workers, those getting social security, and military pensions are exempt from state taxes while trying to accuse me of being hypocritical for being honest. Sadly as is usual to the case information you do bring up, to include wild accusations, are erroneous and off topic to the conversation or story; troll http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Inte...)

916- exactly what does my neighborhood being nicer have to do with your hysterics? The facts are what they are. I know of 2 families here in Janesville, BOTH parents are teachers. One family has 3 children, the other 2. COMBINED , INCOME for the family with three is roughly 85k a year , only because I am aware of the salary schedule here and neither parent has a masters degree. Now while you are busy spouting off sbout 30k Plus a year in benefits , In Janesville health is FAR less expensive 17k for a family and less for an individual. Of course BOTH parents in the JSD pay Family coverage even though in the privatized "real World" only one has that burden. Take 15% of that cost times 2 , then double the pension contribution. Plus estimating here because unlike some I wont ask people for their personal info, but a mortage payment of 1200-1500 a month 2 car payments and student loan payments? With a family of 3 kids the numbers arent there. So you can go to the Postcrescent website all day long, I am telling you this to be a fact 2 families here in Janesville that I know personally will be selling their homes solely because of this political stunt that the repubs have pulled, and 916/vato you have the nerve to say that others have fallen for the rhetorical garble. What a bunch of pathetic people that you would justify doing this to educators to serve your political ends/masters. I honestly believe that Scott Walker could kill someone and you cowpokes would follow him right in the fire. this guy is like your personal Charlie Manson. Again truly pathetic people you are.

Vato- crying? The only ones that are crying are the whiners complaining about this election. Youd be upset too if your profession was under financial attack by ideologues. And BTW the millions sleeping in cars and losing their homes are doing so mainly because of pricvate sector greed , not because low/middle class wages are being slashed in the name of nothing more than an ideology. Very little to do with actual finances.

Sorry proud- I did mis-take your words. So glad to hear it too.

I don't believe the new job numbers, that came from Walker's own Administration (people who were running an illegal campaign and run fake candidates), but if increasing jobs is the sole reason to vote for someone, then vote for Obama in November.

What's interesting is you have Walker trying to tout his job creation numbers which are minimal at best and easily at or near the very bottom in the nation since he took office. On top of that he tries to use the falling unemployment rate to bolster his claims. Meanwhile, you have Newt Gingrich on Meet the Press this morning saying that any claim to the falling unemployment rate is, according to Gingrich, misplaced because participation in the work force is at a 30 year low. People are retiring early because they can't find jobs, and many with plenty of working years left have simply given up looking for work. For being such a "rock star" of the right, Walker sure isn't getting any help from the higher ups in his party as far as staying on a message beneficial to his campaign.

Analertcitizen - I think you mistook my sarcasm. I am sorry. I don't believe a word old eagle scout Walker says. He repeats the same lies until people start believing them. That is what I was trying to point out in the first post.

@ Proud-badger- How can you say to dtb " now I understand. Throw facts out and listen to rhetoric." He stated the facts and used rhetoric very nicely. All of the newspapers have carried the information that he just gave you. It's documented and Walker is proud of it.

Dtb - now I understand. Throw facts out and listen to rhetoric.

Badger, they'll line up to vote for him because of what he says, not what he does. He's a great republican because he follows the mold of Reagan:
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Say out loud you're for smaller government while increasing the size and scope of government.
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Say out loud you're for less taxes, them give tax breaks to your wealthy friends while raising taxes on others.
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Say you'll balance the budget, then spend more and increase the budget.
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Kick the can down the road by refinacing debt and proclaim you've balanced the budget.
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Use voodoo numbers to say you've improved the economy and created jobs while doing the opposite.
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The list goes on, but you get the idea.

proud badger......we are voting for walker because we are not gullible enough to buy into the baseless rhetoric that you apparently have bought into........

Another distraction from RetiredAirForce. It isn't a matter of you hiding the fact that you pay no state income tax on your military retirement income, RetiredAirForce, and I never suggested it was. The issue is one of your hypocrisy of criticizing people for not paying taxes when you don't pay state income tax on your military retirement income.

So, why would the tea party people want to vote for Walker. He hasn't done what they want.
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TAXES. He has raised taxes on seniors and working families. To pay for CORPORATE giveaways, Walker raised taxes on seniors and working families by nearly $70 million. These increases include a $14 million increase by reducing the Homestead Tax Credit, affecting 247,000 homeowners and renters, and a $56.2 million increase on low-wage workers with children as a result of cuts to the Earned Income Tax Credit.

In addition to raising taxes, Walker’s budget also increased fees by more than $133 million,$106 million of which came in the form of UW System tuition increases. http://bdgrdemocracy.files.wordpress.com...

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ELIMINATED DEBT - BALANCED BUDGET... When Scott Walker was running for governor, he promised to balance budgets Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP); however, the budget he claims as balanced is anything but when using GAAP. By gutting public education to the tune of $2.6 billion and slashing more than $500 million from public healthcare, along with skillfully kicking the can down the road with accounting tricks that pass debt onto future budgets, Walker has given the appearance of a balanced budget.

But when using the GAAP that Walker promised to use, Wisconsin’s deficit will actually be more than $3 billion at the end of the biennium – a larger deficit than Walker inherited.
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So, why are the tea partiers voting for this guy?

poo_koch do you really think you have exposed a great secret from public information over taxes? If you are really worried about me hiding from it point out where I said I paid state taxes on my pension. You are such a troll...lol.

yes poo_koch what ever you say...

Typical distraction, RetiredAirForce. Of course, having it pointed out that you're paying no state income tax on your military retirement pay st the same time you're being critical of others that don't pay taxes, I could understand why you want to distract from that.

I've told you before, I've only ever registered and used one account on this site...poobah. I've also suggested you file your complaint with the Gazette staff. I'm sure they keep records of IP addresses and would remove multiple accounts. Perhaps you have done that, but my guess is you'd rather not know the truth and continue to insinuate that the only reason your comments are so often noted for their hypocrisy and inaccuracy by so many different people is because someone is using multiple usernames.

You mean the way it has worked with dental care, orthodontists, optometry care, and audio specialists somehow are not possible with other medical care? If you can’t see the ignorance, you are a very lost soul.

poo_koch, care to come clean on how many different accounts you are really using?

Fear....the blatant exaggeration is exactly what I was talking about. We were at a full 1/3 of their compensation package. Now, with your last post, were down to somewhere between 20 and 30 percent, which is still a total exaggeration, but at least we're headed in the right direction with the numbers. I also know several teachers in their mid to late 30's, and looked up their salaries on the attached website.....
http://www.postcrescent.com/article/9999...
Their total compensation packages ranged from a low of around $75,000 to a high of $103,000. So I have to ask you, if your friends are real and also in their mid 30's with combined compensation packages of around $150,000 on the low end, what kind of house do they live in that they are in danger of losing it? Surely it can't be one of those half a million dollar houses in your neighborhood....can it? I thought all of those had the "I stand with Walker" signs in front of them.......Maybe we need to go look for the one or two $500K homes that have the "recall Walker" signs displayed out front......huh?:)

hyp·o·crite 
noun

1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

RetiredAirForce said, "Ironically since not all business's or people do pay taxes you still think all pay for it; sad."

You know what's ironic about you making that statement, RetiredAirForce? In the state of Wisconsin, people don't pay state income tax on their military retirement pay. They do in many other states. "Military and uniformed services retirement benefits are not taxable for Wisconsin tax purposes." [ http://www.revenue.wi.gov/faqs/pcs/retir... ]

"This is all part of that ideological civil war," Barrett said. "He wants this state to be the prototype for the tea party nationally."

Walker is saving the state from the prototype for the union blue fisted, threaten small businesses and promote bad teachers nationally.

Re-elect Scott Walker!
I noticed Tom Barrett didn't answer Erin Davidson's question on his benefits from Act 10. Typical.

The same poster that said this "That being said I am always willing and more than able to debate ANY issue on facts" also posted this "A third of their income taken".

" their real hate for Obama seems be race-based and since they cannot go that route, they struggle and grow angrier"
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Spoken like the true racists the left fringe has become.

9116- are you going to tell me that If both Mother and Father in a family of three kids here in Janesville lose between 20-30% of their income due to these "modest" reforms wont be in serious danger of making their mortage payments? Unfortunately for you and your little minded friend RAF I know 2 families in Janesville that have already put their homes on the market because of the coming changes, and yes Mother and Father are both "radical" teachers. Not to mention another family in Milton facing the same problem. Mom a teacher in Milton and dad a teacher in Janesville, selling their homes thanks to modest reforms.
Dont tell me what I know to be true. Call anyone a "liar" all you want, come out of your cave and realize this is an ABSOLUTE reality all around the state.

Janesvilleis86ed- Just so were clear I am an independant contractor and own my own Business, what is it that you do for a living? While making dumb assertions about me on an anonymous website. That being said I am always willing and more than able to debate ANY issue on facts, what I am growing tired of is rhetoric from the people that speak in slogans.(RAF, Robotlord(bobolinkus),midnight, kay, etc...) getting older and ornrier by the moment.

Their entire argument seems to be built on some sort of emotional stress. I can't explain it except to think that their real hate for Obama seems be race-based and since they cannot go that route, they struggle and grow angrier reaching for anything they can use to bash him with. When they do present some substance, we end up going in a endless circular loop trying to reconcile their statements with reality or facts - like with RAF. It's sad.

youkillme - they seem to have a script with no logic, don't they...

Midnight, it is sad that you seem to think a label is more important than the content.

I just had a conversation with Tea party relative at our holiday picnic who told me that ObamaCare is very bad because there will be more than 15 million Americans left without healthcare. Assuming he was right, I asked if he was bragging or complaining about that problem. He sounded more angry and said he was complaining. I then asked him if he would join with me and start a petition asking to expand ObamaCare to include the 15 million that he left out? He said "no way in Hell - you're crazy." Exact words. Thought I would share.

Midnite_Ride, be careful what you ask for, you just may get it. And in this case, you now will. I'm very happy to tell you more. Probably more than you want to hear.

First, let me suggest that you learn how to properly quote other people. I never said, "Considered a progressive/liberal Republican," as your attempt at quoting me would suggest I did. Are YOU suggesting that Alan Simpson is a "progressive/liberal Republican" to use YOUR words?

Secondly, I see that you never showed back up on that article after being proven wrong, by your own standard of Gazette staff review, on your claims of racism. I don't find that surprising. You said, "If I think your comments are not nice and racist the gazette should be smart enough to just remove it. We will see now that I send in suggestion to remove it what the verdict of press bios is." Of course, the Gazette staff did not remove my comments as they clearly were not racist. Indeed, the only comments the Gazette staff removed was one of YOUR comments and the comment of the other person whose fake rage you blindly followed.

I suggest that in situations where you've followed in the footsteps of the fake rage of others, and where you and those you follow have collectively had multiple comments deleted for making derogatory and inappropriate comments about me, that you would do well to let those situations rest -- as I had done until you rekindled it here.

Poobah Posted on May 22 at 4:07 p.m.

On Feingold to rally early voting for Democrats

To angry old white fascists even moderate Republicans are progressives.

poobah, Quote from former Sen. Alan Simpson. Considered a progressive/liberal Republican. Please tell us more.

"In remarkably colorful terms, former Sen. Alan Simpson (R-WY) on Sunday lashed out at members of his party for their unyielding opposition to new tax revenues, whom he described as stymieing a debt reduction agreement." [ http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/... ]

“For heaven’s sake, you have Grover Norquist wandering the earth in his white robes saying that if you raise taxes one penny, he’ll defeat you. He can’t murder you. He can’t burn your house. The only thing he can do to you, as an elected official, is defeat you for reelection. And if that means more to you than your country when we need patriots to come out in a situation when we’re in extremity, you shouldn’t even be in Congress.” - former Sen. Alan Simpson (R-WY), May 27, 2012 on CNN [ http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoft... ]

This debate was an absolute disappoint. Mayor Barrett is an embarrassing excuse for a serious candidate. He has an abysmal record and offered us no solutions to what he claims are problems. I found him to be a joke. No wonder Governor Walker beat him the first time. And no wonder the percentage difference has not changed in the past two years. There is no civil war, just the same people voting for the same candidate, hopefully with the same results.

Commonsense should prevail here. They've already busted six of Walker's closest associates and charged them with 15 felonies while working in his office. The kingpin is always the last to fall. But I don't blame some of Walker's defenders, even Blago had loyal supporters all the way to the bitter end.

But RAF, the Hispanic news network got their info from a "reliable source"......how can we possibly question the credibility of their claim it came directly from a "reliable source"??:)

yada think for yourself once. If there was evidence available and a chance this was going to happen gramme and his cohorts would be all over the news with it.

LOL, it's more possible your breaking news story is a lie....much like the rest of the posts you provide.

Breaking is very possible - read it and weep..lol

I guess yada failed to read the last para of her "breaking news" story.

Too funny yada! Yeah, breaking news on the Hispanic news network....they beat every other major news source in the country to the story:)

Walker FBI JOHN DOE PROBE - Read it to see the NEWEST ON INVESTIGATION. From what I hear this is breaking news.....

http://hispanicnewsnetwork.blogspot.com/...

Wow. Lots of close-mindedness going on... No one's right and no one's wrong, yet everyone is stirring the eternal waves of turmoil into a hurricane of misinformation and redirect. How pointless of you to think you can affect the outcome of anyone's opinion in any way...
Sad, really, to think that so much effort is wasted on such trivial matters. What about the idea of unity and harmony? What about the honesty of the truth of self? What about about the willingness to see the bigger picture? What about the open mindedness of a goal beyond any shortsightedness?
These are rhetorical yet hypothetically possibly answered questions that only the honest, open minded and willing individual can answer...
Do you want to? Our future as a species is nearing an end because of our past. Is that reason to stop trying? Do you KNOW that you can change?

vataloco: stated "The Democrats want to piss (not peace) on the hard working people of WI. And, if Barrett is elected the only thing we will able to afford is going to the Goodwill store.
De Pie, con Walker!"
What are you talking about? That is happening right now.

TheUsualSuspect- You are the biggest brainwashed puppet on these threads. Go ahead and continue your ignorant way of thinking. Keep in mind all your doing is setting up your grandchildrens low wage future.

Do you see how stupid the above retort, copied from yours, is? It is funny you think either party represents workers, they only want votes; that's it. I find it's funny you don't think knowing the cost of an item before purchase is important, I suspect you don't shop much. Ironically since not all business's or people do pay taxes you still think all pay for it; sad. Lastly if you open your eyes, and ears, you would find the news from all networks and sources have the same amount of credibility based on truth and slant; that is if you were honest about it.

Politifact WI rates Walker's Job Claims as Mostly FALSE:

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/stat...
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We already knew that.

Midnight, one more thing, are you claiming that Randy Hopper lost because of fraud?

Midnight, I would never take the maciverinstitute as a reputable source, they have shown that they are willing to fudge the facts in order to move their agenda forward. As for the pictures the link showed, it looks to me like there are volunteers that are taking people to the polls to vote. There is 0 proof that anyone of the people voting are from out of state or registering illegally, or using someone eles's name to vote. It looks to me like volunteers helping people get to the polls who can't make it on their own. Not everyone owns a car or has the ability to make it to the polling location as easily as everyone else. I think it's a great service to help people get out and vote. If this were a republican group doing the same thing, I would have no problem with it.

Midnight, but where is the proof it's happening? And I use the term unionista sarcastically. As for voter ID and problems that occur, you still need to prove residency in order to register to vote.

916 I suspect the former...

Fear......cut back on the dramatics and the blatant exaggeration! "A third of their income taken" and "many of them losing their homes"......seriously??:) Either you a complete liar or you're completely ignorant regarding the statements you made......tone it down a little bit and if you're going to make things up, try and make them more believable........

concernedwi, unionista? That is an interesting word you use to describe an event you claim not to believe is happening. There targets are Sen. Van Wanggaard and Terry Moulton. They hold single digit leads and should they lose, like Randy Hooper, we know why. Fortunately the state is big enough to fend off the fraud used to unseat our Governor.
And Fortunately the Voter I.D. law will be upheld by November for the big election to undue any damage from the recalls if any (other then money). The Assembly holds an over whelming amount of Republicans for the Democrats to reverse anything. Praise God for that.

http://www.maciverinstitute.com/2012/05/...

******snoring*******

Can you make any factual claims tonight Bob or are you just parroting the commercials on TV? Waiting to hear you refute or even make a decent argument about anything. Some of your cohorts can you certainly haven't. Fancy that.

drib·ble (drbl)
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1. To flow or fall in drops or an unsteady stream; trickle: Water dribbled from the leaky faucet.
2. To let saliva drip from the mouth; drool.
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a. To move (a ball or puck) by repeated light bounces or kicks, as in basketball or soccer.
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Silly nonsense: "don't talk such drivel!".

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Its cool Bob you are the epidemy of an uneducated angry republican voter. I get it. Speaking in catch phrases works for you. I could have a far more relavant convorsation with my seven year oold, he has a much better grip about what is really going on, and whut nawt, fancy that!!LOL, this convorsation is over on myend Bob, go to bed, sleep it off.

You have nothing bob, use the word drivel please. Dribble is what I do to a basketball.

You have nothing, thats why you respond with blather. I love it. Scott Walker signed recalls, took office in Milwaukee county because of one. Anything on that BOB?

Do you have anything to say relating to facts Bob , or just a bunch of metaphors? Ill address the issue, and you can name call and not trust people, must be a miserable existance you lead.

""Nobody was so totally mad with hate and derision before this. And all for their own personal gain.""

Who created the derison? Who is standing to gain? Tommy Thompson is making millions as a lobbyist, after the tour that Walker just completed nationwide fund raising? He will be rich beyond his wildest dreams when no longer gove he will be wealthier than ever. Wonder why? And you really believe the Eagle scout gives a crap about you? LAUGH OUT LOUD, SUCKER!! Maybe you should ask the eagle scout why 66% of Wisconsin business pays no state income tax. Keep using cute metaphors, I am sure they make you feel good about what your saying, and things your father told you.

I guess Scott Walker must be a jabber and whut nawt. Too much beer tonight?

""The whole recall thing is a bunch of crap. Those who support it are waist deep into it going into the neck area.""
You mean like Scott Walker Bob?
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepoliti...

Boy between skippy and bob here is enough brain power to toast a piece of bread.
HEy BOB, whining? Maybe if a politician came after a third of your total compensaton be it pay or benefits, you might get a little testy too. Go ahead and support Scott Walker all you like its your perrogative, but to go off on these tangents about whiners , etc... you look like the one who is whining. The recalls are a part of our state constitution. Scott Walker signed recall petitions agaonst Kol and Feingold because he disagreed with their politics, nothing more, so please back off with the hypocritical hyperbole, there is enough of that here for you to read let alone repeat.

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Just don't like people without brains calling me all jabber and what not.
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What? I am here to tell you that every one has brains Bob , even you. Its how you choose to apply your brains. Unfortunately you seem to apply yours toward hate and jealousy toward your fellow middle class wage earners. Mainly because many of them, teachers, Police, nurses etc.... went to college and earned their place, and now they whine because their livelyhood and manytimes their homes are being taken away by a politician with a political axe to grind? There are plenty of places in the state busget to cut, BOB, educators compansation should have been last oin the list not first. Just because you and so many others have a myopic hatred of unions, you cannot see the forest through the trees. Enjoy your life as a "jabber" as if that were something funny and to be joked about. Shows your lack of real thought and how irrational so many people are these days. Especially in the political realm.
Busing in voters? I would rather a political party helped people to vote rather than spend millions on commercials with trucks driving uphill. Remember BOB there is nothing Illegal about helping people to vote. If you were a true American and believed in what this country stands for you would advocate any honest attempt by either party to turnout higher numbers of voters. Instead its the same old tired hyperbolic rhetoric about bsuing in voters or dead people voting. Creating more hysteria where there is none.

skippy31 said, "What I am curious about, is when he does get re-elected, will everyone shut up and stop whinning, or will we recall the recall."

Wisconsin State Constitution, Article XIII Section 12.(6). After one such petition and recall election, no further recall petition shall be filed against the same officer during the term for which he was elected.

Creature, what kills me is that you say we all need 2 jobs now. We have needed 2 jobs now since in the 90's. Who do you think employs people? We are our own worst enemies. We all need 2 TV's in our houses, an awesome cell phone, fast internet, cable TV with DVR's, all the other gadgets that cost money. We are the ones who help to increase the cost of living by all the needless spending we do. All the Dems do is name call, and bully people, because they have no argument for anything. They use anger. I did not want Obama in office, however, I understand that there is another election and it is at that time that voices will tell him to get out. Therefore, I along with many others need to accept that he got in and vote him out when it is time. By the way even though I don't like Obama for president, I still respect him as our president. People need to accept that Walker got in office and vote him out when the next election is.

I could see a recall if he did something illegal. Fact is, he just made people mad. What I am curious about, is when he does get re-elected, will everyone shut up and stop whinning, or will we recall the recall.

Bobolinkus and Matt, people are tired of your kind of worn-out overheated class envy divide and conquer gas. Take some Tums and cheer up.

Barrett got exposed big time. He's another "Obama"....trying to charm the pants off a society of people who are only interested in what's best for them personally. It's called the uneducated masses and Barrett fits right in with 'em.

Vato you are such a small person with a small mind. FOr a person that can at time be very bright, you sure are a dim bulb when it comes to partisanship. Too bad. You are one of the people that are stcuck in one mode never thinking just spewing.

"Goes After"
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Barrett was horrible last night. I am extremely disappointed that Barrett FAILED to mention the FACT that Walker is OWNED by the Koch Brothers, failed to mention the "troublemakers" he was considering and most importantly FAILED to defend what Walker called, "the hard-working tax payers" he didn't defend the teachers, correctional officers, social workers, counselors that are HARD WORKING TAXPAYERS.
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Barrett failed last night, it was disgusting how little this man was able to defend those Walker "conquered" after dividing this state.
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No wonder the DNC and our President has stayed away. Walkers policies are horrible for Wisconsin and ALL the hard-working taxpayers but Barrett is a pathetic excuse for a politican.
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Never the less, RECALL WALKER and SAVE WISCONSIN

Why Recall Santa? He wants peace on Earth and goodwill towards men.

The Governor Of Wisconsin thought about planting troublemakers among the people.

Recall "Divide and Conquer" Scott Walker!!

There is always competition for good workers, skilled or not.

RAF, there is a limit to how low they will drop but without minimum wage unskilled labor wages will drop because there isn't any competition for those employees.

concernedwi if that was the case I could get someone to wash my car for a dollar everyday.

Midnight, where is the proof of bus and van loads of unionistas coming up here to vote? This is just another rumor spread around.

RAF, without a mandatory bottom employers will take advantage and you'll see wages drop. As much as the idea of getting the government out of the way to let pure capitalism work, it doesn't work in the real world.

Do any of you have a job?

concernedwi I'm not sure what that party position is on minimum wage but I do think the idea of minimum wage might sound and feel good but as a believer in capitalism I do think setting an artificial bottom or top level is a bad thing, not a good thing. In our society today with millions in this country illegally that will have more an impact on driving average wages down than anything else; employers can take advantage of these people more than others.

The Democrats would have had a better chance with Kathleen Falk to win back the Governor's seat. Tom Barrett's record hurt him in 2010 and his only chance now are the van's of unregistered voters driving in from Illinois.

Yes he did. He was right. We don't want to see them bicker.

Midnite_Ride said, "Fact: This debate was very telling that the questions of what would you do were ignored."

Fact: Walker was given the opportunity by the moderator to ask Barrett ANY question he wanted to and he turned down the opportunity.

This debate was about attack and defend. Clearly Tom Barrett has very little to offer us and Scott Walker has a great record despite the disruption by the Democrats.
Fact: This debate was very telling that the questions of what would you do were ignored.
Fact: Tom Barrett also deliberately ignored the question of why he was attacking Scott Walker when he was using the policies to his benefit. The Woman just have made him answer that question. She let him slid

CREATURE You are correct!

Tedkennedy, I just want to clarify something, do you support Santa and his welfare program? I mean he is giving handouts to everyone without earning it. Kids even write a list asking for what they believe they are entitled too. Kind of sounds socialist to me.

RAF, The state governement had to prove that the state had a deficit large enough to justify removing 17,000 people from medicare. Yes, it is setup as a way to help people during transitions, but there are also people who aren't provided insurance and need the assistance. This is coming from someone who went without health insurance for over 6 years because I did not qualify for badgercare and wasn't provided insurance through my employers, I can say that I could have used the help during that time.
Act 10 wasn't an medical reform act but medical expenses were included, paying more for insurance, no choice of provider, and higher deductibles.
As far as pay and rates, the republican party is not shy about saying that it wants to abolish the minimum wage.

Walker believes it’s fair to break contracts and agreements, robbing the middleclass to pave the way for his minions. Now that his slash and burn agenda is in place he wants everyone to forget, accept and move forward into the dark ages of corporate domination of all workers. Walkers vision of Wisconsin is so one sided we will all need two jobs that will barely make ends meet as cost of living continues to rise.

Not much of a debate.
Both candidates just regurgitating talking points.
Interesting to note Walker shifting his eyes when making some of his less believable claims
and hanging his head at some of Barrett's charges.
Certainly no way nearly as entertaining as the national Republican presidential candidate debates.
Maybe they could bring Donald Trump on as a guest candidate for the next one.
Shake things up a little.
;-)

I thought it was an OK debate.
Not letting the debaters give a short response to counter any attacks by the other on a specific question left it more like just reading statements instead of a debate.
Barrett did a good job of consistently attacking Walker, and kept hammering his points.
However, IMO he never gave any real answers to what he would do except go back two years in time.....which is not a good enough answer to give him a real confidence vote...
This recall election is not like a general election. The recall has already clearly indicated that there are a whole lot of people clearly upset with Walker. This is a fact.
Now is the time to come up with something better (for those of those that are upset).
Unfortunately, I didn't see that in Barrett last night.
I will continue to support Walker, as I have thru all this.

concerdwi as you can see mooshoo and fordfan are perfect examples to the discourse remarks you mentioned earlier. It is easily apparent posters like this are incapable of reasoned discourse.

concernedwi, act10 wasn't a medical reform act.

"The republican party at a national and state level are pushing agendas that favor corporations and businesses over the worker. Any business would like to pay as little as possible for labor to keep their profits up, so by the law swinging to their favor it will cause wages to be reduced."
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Yet this statement never answers the question on a party wanting to set a (high) limit on wages. What you describe is not a new issue it has always gone on. In order for a business or government to operate it needs resources. If expenditures eclipse revenues it is not sustainable. People have the ability to make themselves an asset that employers want or they can become just a number. Regardless you still failed to substantiate the statement.

donnaw said, " Poo...yeah, and gay marriage should be at the top of our To Do List for the economic stability of Wisconsin!"

If you insist.

concernedwi
May 26, 2012 at 10 a.m.
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Great answer - RAF, don'tno and all other tea partiers will rip it apart. In the current right wing world there can be no agreement as that is a sign of weakness. Other points for them, never admit a mistake even when shown proof and in no way should you ever apologize as that builds toward agreement which we can NEVER tolerate. If we get close to agreement, the right-wing will move the goal posts. Playbook points and tactics for them.

concernedwi you bring up the 17000 people but provide no evidence these people no longer have any resources to care. A safety net system was never designed to provide care forever it was developed as a buffer to protect those during transitions.

RAF, I guess I would rather follow the golden rule and treat others the way I would like to be treated and lead by example instead an eye for an eye type of response.

RAF, how about I answer a few of these:

1. In order to provide resources to those that need it reforms are required. Why do you oppose this?

Aren't those in need the 17,000 that were removed from medicaid because of the reforms? What has Gov. Walker done to provide resources to those that need them?

2. Where did you get the false information one political party wants to put a limit on what a family or person can make?

Gov. Walker's own words were that actions speak louder than words. The republican party at a national and state level are pushing agendas that favor corporations and businesses over the worker. Any business would like to pay as little as possible for labor to keep their profits up, so by the law swinging to their favor it will cause wages to be reduced.

3. Why do you refuse to support meaningful medical reforms that give people the upper hand in managing their medical dollars and knowing before services are received what they cost?

Meaningful medical reforms would be great, however what act 10 did was allow local governments and school districts to pick any insurance company that they wish and impose any deductible they want. In the past these issues were bargained by the local gov/boards with the unions. WEA was never forced on any school district, however, better benefits were negotiations in instead of pay raises.

4. Who taught you benefits were only given by the government after taking money from just a portion of the tax payers?

The benefits in question are those that are either government employees or those that need government assistance. If the government doesn't provide these benefits who would?

5. Why do you think being a puppet for the left is okay but being a puppet for the right is not?

Being a puppet on either side is wrong. Politics is not sports, your "team" isn't always right. A true leader rules from the middle and compromises. He or she does not have a "I will not negotiate" attitude. As Mr. Barrett said during the debate, the Governor represents all of the people of the state, not just those that voted for him.

6. Did you learn about the silly fox remarks from MSNBC, dailykos, and the huffpost?

Any radical political view/source is going to be biased. Any information that is gained from those sources should be evaluated and researched on a case by case basis. I never hear a fact or read a story on a news source and believe it. I do my own research and look into the issue.

"your argument is that two wrongs make a right?"
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What? I neither said that nor implied it. You are the one that questioned my level of discourse. There is nothing right or wrong with it other than what a person "feels" about it. Would I prefer to have an educated and rational discussion based on facts and ideals over the the majority of the postings provided here, yes. But, I am more than happy to treat these people the same way they treat others. If you don't like it that doesn't make it wrong nor is it a game of two wrongs making a right. As I said it is communication.

So RAF, your argument is that two wrongs make a right? I learned a long time ago not to argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Donna my point wasn't that they should focus only on jobs but if they call a special session to have a self described "laser focus" on jobs then shouldn't jobs be discussed? You stated that jobs should be the most imporatant issue they should focus on, I was asking your opinion of what happened during the republican called special session on jobs. My own view is that government has a wide variety of duties that includes the economy and social issues.

TheUsualSuspect I have some questions for you.

1. In order to provide resources to those that need it reforms are required. Why do you oppose this?

2. Where did you get the false information one political party wants to put a limit on what a family or person can make?

3. Why do you refuse to support meaningful medical reforms that give people the upper hand in managing their medical dollars and knowing before services are received what they cost?

4. Who taught you benefits were only given by the government after taking money from just a portion of the tax payers?

5. Why do you think being a puppet for the left is okay but being a puppet for the right is not?

6. Did you learn about the silly fox remarks from MSNBC, dailykos, and the huffpost?

I did not watch the debate but based on the comments here, I wonder if anyone did? You only heard and seen what you wanted to hear and see. Neither side answered the questions. Both sides answered the questions. So, it is apparent that the debate resolved nothing, changed nothing. Can't wait for the next debate to hear a repeat of the various comments.

Gandalf......whhhhhaaatttt? My post had nothing to do with articulating an original thought, it was simply providing an accurate account of what I experienced last night.....the truth hurts....huh?:)

"I will continue to have high integrity," Walker said.

And I will be continue to be awarded the Presidential Freedom Award annually. Trust me, really I will. A Presidentail Freedom Award winner would not lie.

But in their session all they did was "side issues" not one jobs bill came out of a "Special Jobs" session.

Only an extremist 'subjective view' would say that Barrett won the debate. I was watching the debate with Barrett supporters, and there were plenty of moans about Barrett's performance throughout. He failed miserably to justify his potential governership. The consensus of the Barrett supporters was that he would do better at the next debate.

Walker wins!
I love when a candidate can talk about his record. Barrett's got nothing. He just looked like a foolish angry liberal who avoided the questions of what he would do.

concerned....your hypocrisy is hilarious....you criticize the legislature for taking up side issues and then say we shouldnt focus on just one issue like fiscal stability but other issues like gay marriage. Wow!

concernedwi I will gladly treat those with the same level of discourse that they display. That isn't as you declare "feel the need" or "being a bully" it is a means of communication. As is easily witnessed by comments as those like yada, certain people have an issue with talking civil, I decided long ago to treat these people in the same vein they display. If you don't like this I can only suggest to skip those posts that might offend you.

Ok RAF, why do you feel the need to attack people to feel superior about yourself? You seem to enjoy being a bully on here and I'm curious why. I enjoy a good debate with someone with an opposing view, but I don't feel the need to try to make them feel stupid because we have a difference of opinion. I noticed in the debate that Walker didn't answer questions about reuniting the state and keeps talking about the mandate that only half of the state gave him.

when I say VETERANS - NOT the fake ones like our Walter Mitty-->RETIREDAIRFORCE. Dream on...

Walker needs to answer some questions for the veterans on the $20,000 embezzled by his appointee to the position in charge of Operation Freedom. Walker was in close contact with this man. The money was to assist those veterans families killed in both war conflicts.

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/...

concernedwi was there a real question you want answered or was you pointless comment the end of your contribution?

RAF, you did a comparable job to answering questions as Walker did last night. If you don't have a good answer then attack the question or dodge it and talk about something completely different.

I pay all taxes do
All those running for office are full of it & into themselfs
The only one that I think has any thing upstairs is Lori Compas

Donna, what do you have to say about the special session of the senate on jobs this past year then? Wolf hunting, redistricting, and abstinence only education had nothing to do with jobs. Were you ok with that? As for gay marriage, while jobs should be a priority for government, it still has other obligations and can't just focus on one issue.

Poo...yeah, and gay marriage should be at the top of our To Do List for the economic stability of Wisconsin! We don't need no stinkin' jobs, let's just focus on gay marriage!

Will a translator be provided for Gov. Walker so he can understand all of Barrett's liberal hogwash?

Wow, now the subjective views of a meaningless debate are being compared to a game based on objective scores...the left has no sense of reality.

heldge are you really that dense to think a state official can do anything with a federal program? Just when I think there is hope for the left fringe comments like yours remind me there is little reason to even try.

fed
Do you even pay taxes ?

With the walker class of people they will soon be after all retirement benifits from everyone
even ( air force )

gandalf I think it is funny you criticize walkers past of not saying what he would do (despite the false notion of it) but fully embrace the no plan and barely an outline of one for barrett.

westorbust the absence of an economic plan, much like the absence of a budget, hasn't worked well for our nation fiscal picture either. I understand nothing could make you vote for walker nor am I trying to convince you to, but turning a blind eye to no plan is mere capitulation.

Wow, what a biased article. The slant of the article is so anti-Walker. Regardless, Gov. Walker represented himself well and demonstrated why this recall should fail.

donnaw said, "Oh yeah, Barrett would support gay marriage. I really think that plan will impact Wisconsin's fiscal health."

The one thing you got right. Same sex marriages have had a positive economic impact in the states that permit them.

Fed can't even feed himself !" Oh nurse, more slop here."

I thought Gov. didn't create jobs, RAF, private industry did. Walker's "plan" was no plan at all, and the shifting job numbers only prove that Walker was no more effective creating jobs than if we had elected a Hostess Twinkie. Demand creates jobs, not tax incentives. It reminds me of that great American movie Tommy Boy. :
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Tommy: Let's think about this for a sec, Ted. Why would somebody put a guarantee on a box? Hmmm, very interesting.
Ted Nelson, Customer: Go on, I'm listening.
Tommy: Here's the way I see it, Ted. Guy puts a fancy guarantee on a box 'cause he wants you to feel all warm and toasty inside.
Ted Nelson, Customer: Yeah, makes a man feel good.
Tommy: 'Course it does. Why shouldn't it? Ya figure you put that little box under your pillow at night, the Guarantee Fairy might come by and leave a quarter, am I right, Ted?
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Economic "plans" make people feel all warm and cozy because it makes them think that the people we elected actually know what they are doing. They don't, and in Walker's case, his "economic agenda" was aimed at furthering right wing agendas, not reviving an economy.

I'm not a huge fan of Barrett, but i'm much less a fan of Walker.

"Why do the republicans feel so strongly about taking away benefits?"
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LOL, what benefits? In order to provide resources to those that need it reforms are required.

"Why do you want your neighbor to make 10 dollars an hour?"
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Why do lie with such a silly comment?

"Why do you want one trip to the hospital to wipe out any savings you might have?"
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Why do you refuse to support meaningful medical reforms that give people the upper hand in managing their medical dollars and knowing before services are received what they cost?

"Why do you want to go backwards?"
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Another blatant lie and silly comment.

"Who taught you that making a living and a good wage is bad?"
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Wow, that makes 3 now.

"Who taught you that taxes will go down if you take away benefits?"
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Oops make that 4. Who taught you that benefits were only given by the government after taking money from just part of the tax payers?

"Who told you you had to be a puppet on the republican strings?"
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Hey the count is up to 5. Let me guess being a puppet on the democrat strings is okay for you?

"Who told you you're not allowed to think for yourselves?"
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The count is now 6.

"Turn off the FOX news and start thinking for yourselves."
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Make that 7 silly comments. Did you learn that what from MSNBC, dailykos, and the huffpost?

"Freedom!! Give it a try."
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I agree. The more we have other people and the government out of every ones lives the better.

I would not want (fed ) to teach My children

The
Very well stated

http://www.barrettforwisconsin.com/issue...

gandalf his website doesn't even have a plan on how he will handle the economic issues. His "plan" for jobs is that he has been on committees, that is not a plan for the state. His plan for crime is a false information that his efforts lead to reduced crime in milwaukee, the jsonline story debunked that myth.

Walker supporters will say he won. Barrett supporters will say he won. It is virtually impossible to listen to the debate and not be biased if you already have "your man". I read several posts hear saying walker did not answer the questions, yet as I listened to the debate (before reading the posts) I was thinking that Barrett was not answering the questions. It's too bad we have to rely on perception more than reality.

jas
walker is a lost person all into himself & his masters
Now is said he will talk to privite unions ??????
I noticed in the Daily Citizen paper ( It was stated ) that some one payed $100.00 for a space to put up a walker sign
walker & fitz will both be out the door soon

Grand Jury or Recall, either way Walker is history.

I didnt much care for the style of the debate. neither one was really able to address the things being stated by the other, That is where a debate really shines. As a teacher, I have to go with what I know and I know education.
the cuts were not good for education
kids are suffering because of the cuts
class size has grown and continues to grow
teachers were laid off (2-3% statewide)
WEAC insurance was NOT mandatory for all schools
Teachers were NOT complaining about the seniority system, and dont think removing the seniority system
is about quality, it is about cost.
I support the recall and will vote for Barrett Not because I'm whining or didnt get something, it is because the damage done to Education has been substantial and I need to try and stop more damage before it is too late.

Walker seemed distracted, probably worrying about his legal defense.

Public Safety

http://youtu.be/9i2tBGDDKm0

Barrett looked incredibly desperate.

Maybe I missed it, what was his plan for the future?

How is the investigation on his awarding non bid contracts going?

Walker did terrible in this debate, all he had was a few misguiding facts that he repeated over, and over, and over...He skated around questions, blatantly not answering most of them. Walker lost this terribly, it was almost embarrassing..

donnaw: Same said for Walker's tenure in Milwaukee. His in fact was rather worse as a record. just sayin

tam...yeah, the results of his running Milwaukee are sure worth voting for him!

Heard him say he would roll up his sleeves and work with everyone not just the "chosen" few. Heard him ask questions that got answered by tv commercial copy. Heard him give "facts" too, and they didn't sound good for the other guy...who's "facts" I'm not sure I can trust. Did not hear him say he would push for legislation for gay marriage. It would have been a great debate if the other guy actually answered questions asked, not just using his "talking points." Being practiced for a debate is a good thing, being scripted is not. IMO Thinking Tom has my vote.

Walker presented hardly anything and looked scared. Maybe he is really scared because the FBI John Doe probe is getting closer and closer to him. He has 4 lawyers and has a criminal defense fund. He has spent over 100 grand to his lawyers so far. Even Nixon said he was innocent of anything at first in Watergate and Walkergate looks bad for Walker. Those people charged so far(and some with the F word as in FELONY) had desks 20 feet from Walker, secret computers, etc. Those saying Walker presented facts may have had too much to drink last night. Walker looked foolish and did not answer questions from Barrett. Good to see Barrett also go after Walker and the MESS he left Milwaukee County in when he was County Executive - Walkers job performance and actions AS County Ex. then were worse than the claims against Barrett. Walker refused to answer the questions of Mr Barrett because he knows he has been caught red handed on video with facts he did not want the public to hear - like the DIVIDE & CONQUER quote. Walker has a plan and it has failed! Walkers job gains &claims on TV have now been proven by POLITIFACT in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel to be "MOSTLY FALSE" -

http://thepoliticalenvironment.blogspot....

You can also read the job claims by Walker as being false at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Also don't forget that members of Congress are taking a look at whether Walker lied under oath for his DIVIDE & CONQUER plan to pit worker against worker and make WI a right to work state. That means lower wages for all. Walker has created a huge political mess and his actions are class warfare - the rich get richer while the rest of America struggles to get by.

Oops I mean 1 more debate scheduled. I think they should both just go at it, bare nuckle boxing I say.

Oh yeah, Barrett would support gay marriage. I really think that plan will impact Wisconsin's fiscal health.

donnaw- that's why there are still 2 more debates scheduled.

Backwards Barrett!!! He slings mud, but has no alternative solutions. What an empty suit!

HAHA.. part of a debate can be attack, but the one attacking also should offer up his/her ideas on how to do it differently. Barrett did't offer anything. We still don't know what he would do.

You guys are saying Barrett "attacked attacked attacked" which is what you're suppose to do during a DEBATE!! Walker got taken to school on this 1st debate....

Barrett has nothing to run on,so what he does is attack and accuse.Go Walker!!

Walker presented facts and all Barrett did was attack, attack, attack! He never once offered a plan or his own proposals for a fiscally responsible Wisconsin. But we know what Barrett will do if elected....turn Wisconsin into Milwaukee!

helge1939 were you listening to the debate? I was. Did I miss Barrett's plan for Wisconsin on ACT 10?

I guess just attacking the Governor with no alternative plan for the economy is how he expects to become Governor?

The worst mayor in the history of Milwaukee wants to build a railroad in downtown Milwaukee and has no money to pay for it and you want him to bring these "tax as we go" policies to the state level?
I hope most people in Wisconsin are not that nieve.

walker lost this big time

Union busting is about 3 things:

1) creating a permanent underclass of worker drones who have to provide for their own welfare but cannot afford the basic necessities of life.

2) creation of draconian laws which restrict or do away with the civil rights of assembly, protest and of course seeking redress from government against laws which restrict rights

3) the suppression of the people, through not only creation of laws doing so but the fact that according to the %1 and the corporations the people have only one right to work our collective asses off and die when we cannot work anymore.

Whoever wins, we all want some fiscal responsibility and leadership. We the people deserve nothing less.