Filmmaker denies political motive in releasing Walker 'divide and conquer' footage
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JANESVILLE — The filmmaker whose short clip of Gov. Scott Walker went viral this week said he had no political motives in releasing the footage.
Brad Lichtenstein, who has been filming a documentary in Rock County for several years, said he set out to tell the story of how a community reinvents itself after losing a General Motors Plant and then facing the Great Recession.
Lichtenstein told The Gazette that he has been showing clips—including the Walker footage—to small groups this spring. The clip showing Walker speaking to local billionaire Diane Hendricks on Jan. 18, 2011, was among those he screened.
Lichtenstein on Friday provided The Gazette with the raw footage of the conversation, in which the governor, Hendricks and Mary Willmer, M&I Bank of Janesville’s community bank president, discuss collective bargaining for public employees, tort reform and regulatory reform. Walker later that year signed a bill that gives the governor control over administrative regulations.
Hendricks and Willmer are co-chairwomen of Rock County 5.0, a public-private partnership intended to promote economic development. Walker was meeting with officials from the group and others at Hendricks’ ABC Supply in Beloit.
Lichtenstein was recording what Willmer and others in Janesville were doing to try to create jobs in an area hard hit by the shutdown of its General Motors plant and related businesses.
Lichtenstein and Hendricks both told Walker that Lichtenstein was filming a documentary shortly after he started to shoot footage of the governor.
Within minutes of saying hello to the governor in the video, Hendricks told Walker she wanted to ask him about some issues that might be a “little controversial” before the public event, where reporters would be on hand.
She mentions that Lichtenstein is filming, and Lichtenstein tells Walker that his work would not come out for more than a year.
In the conversation in the video, Hendricks asked Walker about right-to-work legislation. “Any chance we’ll ever get to be a completely red state and work on these unions … ”
“Oh, yeah,” Walker broke in.
“ … and become a right-to-work?” Hendricks continued. “What can we do to help you?”
“Well, we’re going to start in a couple weeks with our budget adjustment bill,” Walker said. “The first step is we’re going to deal with collective bargaining for all public employee unions, because you use divide and conquer. So for us, the base we get for that is the fact that we’ve got—budgetarily we can’t afford not to. If we have collective bargaining agreements in place, there’s no way not only the state but local governments can balance things out. … That opens the door once we do that. That’s your bigger problem right there.”
Hendricks asked Walker if he would model himself after any other state, and Walker said he liked what Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels was doing with that state’s right-to-work status.
All three participants agreed that Sen. Tim Cullen, D-Janesville, was “a good man,” as Hendricks put it, and was someone they could work with.
Willmer was asked for comment today, and BMO Harris Bank, which owns M&I, responded with an email that stated Willmer was not involved in the Walker-Hendricks conversation.
“Any interpretation that Mary Willmer was involved in the conversation or endorses the content of the conversation or reflected the views of BMO Harris Bank is simply inaccurate,” according to the statement.
“We are very proud of the personal commitment and leadership that Mary has made to help bring middle class jobs back to her community.”
Word of the video apparently reached reporters from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, who pressed Lichtenstein to let them see the entire 6 1/2 minutes of raw footage of the conversation.
Lichtenstein said he held off sharing the footage until he had fulfilled commitments related to production of the documentary, which is why it did not become public until Thursday. He said he had planned to release the trailer for the documentary around this time before the date of the recall election against Walker had been set for June 5.
Lichtenstein said he has had no contacts with the Democratic Party or the campaign of Tom Barrett, who is opposing Walker in the June 5 recall election.
Lichtenstein, president of 371 Productions in Milwaukee, acknowledged to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he has done work on Democratic campaigns and had given $100 in 2010 to Barrett. Lichtenstein’s wife is a public employee, a professor at UW-Milwaukee.
Lichtenstein said he did not accept any funding for his film from labor or Democratic groups because of the ethical standards required by the Public Broadcasting Service, which is expected to air the film in the fall. Instead, his funding came from groups like The MacArthur Foundation and the Sheldon and Marianne Lubar Family Foundation, he said.
“I have no political agenda with the film, and I’m not releasing the trailer to have a political impact in Wisconsin,” Lichtenstein said Friday.
Both the Democrats and Barrett’s campaign were quick to use the footage Friday. Lichtenstein said he can’t control how the video is used politically.
“People out there are characterizing me as a tool for Barrett or the unions, but if you look at the full film, that’s far from the case,” he said.
Lichtenstein said the full 10-minute trailer, which is posted at AsGoesJanesville.com, and the full documentary to be released this summer will show that he was evenhanded in telling the story of people affected by losing their jobs and those who worked to revive Janesville’s economy.
One story told in the film shows a worker who blames both management and the union for the loss of her health insurance, for example, Lichtenstein said.
Lichtenstein said “As Goes Janesville,” like his previous work, is an attempt to bring people of differing viewpoints together to discuss ways to solve common problems, “rather than yell at each other. We want people to get together and talk jointly about their economic future,” he said.
“It does not take a brain surgeon to figure out that I have been involved in supporting Democratic candidates for a long time, but that does not influence my filmmaking at all, and the trailer and movie will reflect that,” he said.
Lichtenstein is working to have the film premiere at a film festival in June, “and after that I definitely want do something down in Janesville, for sure.”
He said he is working with several local groups to arrange screenings.
The 90-minute documentary is expected to be shown in a 60-minute version on public TV this fall.
Lichtenstein said his past films had portrayed all sides in a fair way. He has worked on “With God on Our Side,” which is about the religious right, and “Ghosts of Attica,” which includes the perspectives of both inmates and correctional officers recalling the takeover of a New York prison by inmates 30 years ago.
“I’ve never set out to make polemical films,” he said. “I’m not (liberal filmmaker) Michael Moore.”
The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel contributed to this story.
Jun 7, 2012 at 6:18 a.m.
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I just wanted to refresh my memory on how Hitler gained popularity in Germany. Very interesting. Sounds familiar, too. Just my opinion.
May 16, 2012 at 1:58 p.m.
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We ALL know (like Walker or not) that is a lot better than former Jim, the raid all departments, Doily ever did!!
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May 16, 2012 at 1:13 p.m.
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youkill......absolutely no denial and negativity over here. I hope that the conquer and divide strategy works well for our Governor Walker, just as I'm sure you hope it works well when the politicians you choose to support implement it........Good day:)
May 16, 2012 at 10:53 a.m.
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916WI, Why the denial and negativity? Scott Walker said he will divide and conquer. Get used to reality and seeing the truth.
May 16, 2012 at 10:39 a.m.
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Youkillme....So it's completely acceptable to blatantly employ the divide and conquer strategy as long as the politician is sly enough to not get caught using the actual words when describing it?? Riiiiiggggght!! You guys are too funny!
LOL:)
May 16, 2012 at 9:19 a.m.
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We're going in circles here but I'll play your game for the amusement. Doyles budget was divide and conquer, Obama's speeches are all divide and conquer, Pelosi and Shumer's politics are all divide and conquer, union solidarity is based on divide and conquer. See how easy it is, anybody could be accused of divide and conquer in games, politics and life. An imbecile could extrapolate divide and conquer from my conment here even though I never actually say "I will divide and conquer." That doesn't mean divide and conquer exists or not, it just means a third party interpretes it that way. The big difference is Walker actually said he will "divide and conquer" AND you're asking me to betray my eyes and ears and ignore it BECAUSE you claim other politicians divide and conquer all the time.
LOL.
May 16, 2012 at 8:29 a.m.
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Youkillme......Your comment, "RAF, I wrote that I do see a problem if the entire legislative branch, regardless of party or parties, adopts a "divide and conquer" strategy to deploy ON constituents - On citizens. But if they use "divide and conquer" on themselves or against the other political party, I really don't care." is where the disconnect(and the hypocrisy) is coming into play. If the democrats are using that strategy on my Republican representatives, you would have to be a fool to imply it wouldn't have an impact on the constituents that those legislators represent.......understand?
May 16, 2012 at 1:53 a.m.
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RetiredAirForce said, "You have shown to be nothing more than a parrot"
RAF, can you please limit the number of species you use to insult people? Sock puppets, trolls, red herrings, lemmings and now PARROTS! It's getting to the point where it takes an advanced degree in zoology just to keep track of all your insults.
May 16, 2012 at 1:37 a.m.
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LOL really? Doyle’s divisive budget is the same thing you claim to have a problem with; your words "the divisive actions from BLANK bothered me more than the...". When confronted with other divisive actions from your party leaders your retort is "you’re babbling". The fact is you have shown you have no issue at all with divisive tactics or words just with one person, walker. When provided with similar actions by members of your own party the best you could muster was deflection and crazy babble over sibling assistance. You have shown to be nothing more than a parrot with no conviction of position. I suspect one Wisconsin now website is a perfect fit for you; they will provide you with exactly what to say while never once showing you how to hold the position in context when confronted with it.
May 16, 2012 at 1:24 a.m.
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You're babbling Doyle, Pelosi, Reid, Shumer, a billion dollars, etc. What. No Obama? No kitchen sink? We're supposed to ignore Walker "just" describing in his own words a "divide and conquer" strategy on constituents after he literally bombed Wisconsin for over a year, but extrapolate divide and conquer from political speeches and your opinion? I'm projecting? Seriously. You need help.
May 16, 2012 at 1:15 a.m.
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Why would a person doubt the soros funded one wisconsin now's products?
May 16, 2012 at 1:03 a.m.
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LOL, the makeup of the two party system ensures that there will always be one party not completely happy with something the other party does. Doyle's last budget was also very divisive, pushing through over a billion dollars in fee/tax increases in less than 36 hours with no public debate. The story I linked showcased the democratic party leaders Schumer's, Pelosi's, and Reid's divisive political tactics but somehow that doesn't hold water to walker just saying the words. I suspect your projection of needing help via an older sibling displays a clear lack of conviction and sincerity of your own position.
May 16, 2012 at 12:58 a.m.
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Here's a little video put out by One Wisconsin Now, and because they're an obvious leftwing organization, nothing in it is true. None of the images or words in the videa are real. It's all dubbed and synchronized with holograms. If you're a nutter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO67mPokp...
May 16, 2012 at 12:44 a.m.
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RAF, the divisive actions from Walker bothered me more than the words over the course of the year. But he continued to deny accusations that he plotted against constituents. Now the proof is there.
Next time, come back with your big brother. You're clearly outclassed here.
May 16, 2012 at 12:38 a.m.
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So the actions dont bother you just fhe words? Okay, now I get it...lol.
May 16, 2012 at 12:21 a.m.
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RAF, you need to comment on it and explain why YOU think writers choosing the words "divide and conquer" in an opinion article to describe their perspective of a strategy between political parties is equivalent to a governor using the actual words as a strategy to use on constituents. The article doesn't even quote anyone using those words or anything close. Only the writer does.
And you're wondering why there's no comment on it?
May 15, 2012 at 11:45 p.m.
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Still no comment on the story I linked to....hmm wonder why.
May 15, 2012 at 11:13 p.m.
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RAF, I wrote that I do see a problem if the entire legislative branch, regardless of party or parties, adopts a "divide and conquer" strategy to deploy ON constituents - On citizens. But if they use "divide and conquer" on themselves or against the other political party, I really don't care. Knock each other out. My neighbor uses divide and conquer on her weeds. I don't care. Call it convenient. I don't care. I DO care when an elected top government executive talks about deploying that strategy on the people or a select constituency.
I'm afraid to comment on your half-baked circular non-sense here. You'll have my comment removed.
May 15, 2012 at 10:56 p.m.
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YKM stated " I only care about and worry deeply when a "divide and conquer" strategy comes from a top level executive government official. President, Governor, Mayor, etc. Whether others employ divide and conquer as a strategy is secondary."
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Yet has chosen to ignore the previous linked story showing his party declaring the same strategy http://thehill.com/homenews/house/152335...
I guess if you want to be a hypocrite its okay. How is the view with your head in the sand?
May 15, 2012 at 9:09 p.m.
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Thanks! I was feeling a little left out:P
May 15, 2012 at 9:01 p.m.
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Oh for sure 916WI. You didn't think I thought Vato and TCB were the only ones proud of state government using a divide and conquer strategy on Americans. And don't you worry either about me being lonely as there are millions like me who will fight for and defend liberty and freedom to the very end.
May 15, 2012 at 8:48 p.m.
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Youkillme.....please include me on that list as well! Any plan that has to do with reducing the stranglehold that unions and the democratic party have over the middle class residents of this state, I am in complete support of:)
May 15, 2012 at 8:26 p.m.
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bebe53, you're off the rails ...again. The Tea Party was protesting Obama one week after he was inaugurated. Obama has every right to criticize without it being labeled as class warfare. Stay on topic. This is about Scott Walker. Divide and conquer and be proud of it - like TCB and Vato.
May 15, 2012 at 6:47 p.m.
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Vato, You're "divide and conquer" and proud of it, but I'm the fearmonger? And you want me to capitulate and succumb to Big government with a divide and conquer plan unless I post my alternative plan here? Oh, okay. Ignorance is strength I suppose.
I think you guys should quit while you still have some ...hmmm ... some ...not honor or dignity, hmmm ...
May 15, 2012 at 6:38 p.m.
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Walker lied to Congress after telling Hendricks his 'divide and conquer' comment.
He knew. He knew and lied to Congress.
May 15, 2012 at 6:09 p.m.
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That's what I want to hear, TCB. Divide and conquer is a PLAN and you're proud of it. Not this phony argument deflecting to Obama or unions. Since it's so good, Walker should take that plan and run with it as his slogan for his campaign. No argument here.
May 15, 2012 at 5:20 p.m.
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Youk,
Divide and conquer is a PLAN. hope and Change is a slogan-not a plan.
Plan beats no plan.
May 15, 2012 at 4:56 p.m.
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California has a budget shortfall in the billions and Wisconsin has a surplus and our governor is being recalled. Free spending socialists need to get a grip!
May 15, 2012 at 4:49 p.m.
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Walker specifically said, "divide and conquer" and it's supposed to mean absolutely nothing? But Obama, Obama, Obama! AND I'm the one in denial!! LOL
May 15, 2012 at 4:36 p.m.
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Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem. [ http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/l... ]
"We have been studying Washington politics and Congress for more than 40 years, and never have we seen them this dysfunctional. In our past writings, we have criticized both parties when we believed it was warranted. Today, however, we have no choice but to acknowledge that the core of the problem lies with the Republican Party.
The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.
When one party moves this far from the mainstream, it makes it nearly impossible for the political system to deal constructively with the country’s challenges."
May 15, 2012 at 4:32 p.m.
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Right bebe53. The subject of this story is Scott Walker and the film maker who captured him admitting to a plan of divide and conquer. His exact words. Now you and few others here, LOL, bring in President Obama and insist that I must somehow extrapolate a strategy of divide and conquer from his speechs OR that solidarity really means "divide and conquer." LOL That Scott Walker actually saying that is precisely what he intends to do really ...means nothing.
And, I'M the one that's not consistent. LOLOLOL
May 15, 2012 at 3:52 p.m.
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bebe53, you're crazy in a nice way. I want you to post a link to an Obama speech as presdent of our country stating he wants or needs to impose a strategy of "divide and conquer" on Americans. In those words. When you can't do it, I'd like an apology and so would President Obama.
May 15, 2012 at 3:49 p.m.
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I'm very consistent and that's why some have a problem with it. You claiming I'm not consistent doesn't make it true. You'll have to back up your own consistency with something much better than union "solidarity" really means divide and conquer to be taken seriously. LOL
May 15, 2012 at 3:39 p.m.
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Yes I do, you are not consistent, it's ok, I refer you to my earlier post where I remain consistent.
May 15, 2012 at 3:31 p.m.
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Eagle1, again, I'm not referring to unions or my neighbor gardener who uses a divide and conquer strategy on her yard weeds. I'm referring to a head of state or government using divide and conquer on its people. Do you comprehend?
May 15, 2012 at 3:19 p.m.
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Yes I agree completely, the Nazi label fits with their rallies and chants of "solidarity" and blind allegiance to one party... oh wait you weren't referring to the unions were you?
May 15, 2012 at 1:17 p.m.
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I find it sad yet amusing conversation that there are people who would defend an elected top government executive for using a divide and conquer strategy on a constituency. I can see doing this in old Nazi Germany or the USSR, but in America? What went wrong in your learning curve or life? Is it brainwashing or hate?
May 15, 2012 at 1:10 p.m.
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916WI, sorry to burst your bubble you don't got it. Go back to school and learn basic reading comprehension.
May 15, 2012 at 1:01 p.m.
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Youkillme.....got it--it's completely acceptable when your party uses that strategy on the citizens that represent the constituency, just not on the constituency itself......uh ok--whatever floats your boat!
May 15, 2012 at 12:52 p.m.
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916WI, I do see a problem if the entire legislative branch, regardless of party, adopts a "divide and conquer" strategy to deploy on constituents. But if they use "divide and conquer" on themselves or against the other political party, I really don't care. Knock each other out. Just don't talk about using that strategy on the people or a select constituency and expect people to lay down.
May 15, 2012 at 12:09 p.m.
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People need to understand this term is used by the left all the time. It is as common as "in the crosshairs". Walker knew he was being filmed. This is just like the left to make a mountain out of a mole hill to have you distracted from the new poll showing Walker pulling away with now a 7% lead over Barrett.
May 15, 2012 at 11:53 a.m.
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Sorry hypocrites. I'd be against Obama if he said he will be deploying a divide and conquer strategy on Americans. So why bring him up? You only have your hallucinations as evidence. You can look at political parties, unions or anybody else employing divide and conquer in seeking an equivalency to dictator Walker, that's your moral prerogative. Again, I find it troubling when an elected top level government executive says he will use divide and conquer as a strategy on constituents. I understand you have to find equivalencies to defend him and his actions as best you can. Go for it, all the way to the bitter end.
May 15, 2012 at 11:15 a.m.
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Youkill.......So you see absolutely no problem with the legislative branch(which just happens to be controlled by the political party you support--how convenient??) of the government employing a divide and conquer strategy, but when the executive branch(which just happens to be controlled by the political party you are against) employs that same strategy it's reason for an uprising?? Seriously?? Hypocrite.......
May 15, 2012 at 10:47 a.m.
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It's good to be consistent youkillme, I understand the difference between an elected official and a union rep at a private business, however the second the unions stepped over that line and became a political tool they are now worthy of the same criticism. Is this not the same tactic Obama is using in class warfare by supporting the Occupy movement? Give me a break, Walker did not invent the phrase or tactic, the reaction by his opponents are proving that there is a stigma attached to it. I really only support Walker on ACT 10, however that is alot of support, it is the first time in my lifetime I have seen a politician willing to say the things many of us have for decades and do the things many of us have been wanting for even longer.
May 15, 2012 at 10:37 a.m.
May 15, 2012 at 10:33 a.m.
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Funny how when the truth exposes certain people for the fraud that they are then suddenly there must be a political motive behind it.
May 15, 2012 at 10:24 a.m.
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bebe53. I only care about and worry deeply when a "divide and conquer" strategy comes from a top level executive government official. President, Governor, Mayor, etc. Whether others employ divide and conquer
as a strategy is secondary. Besides, this has nothing to do with unions, it's about the budget - remember?
May 15, 2012 at 10:18 a.m.
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Wow, madeindreamland. The link you "try" to post is still attached to the story above; try reading it. I suspect your tinfoil hat is on just a smidge too tight.
May 15, 2012 at 10:14 a.m.
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Oh no! Lets see how hypocritical all the dem posters will be now that they read their party also believes in the "divide and conquer strategy". I suspect they will run for cover and pretend it never happened...
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/152335...
May 15, 2012 at 9:54 a.m.
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Eagle1, the person who talks about dividing and conquering is not a union shop. He's not a middle linebacker discussing a strategy to split the tackles and blitz up the middle to sack the qauarterback. He is the elected top level executive of our state government - the governor. You don't have a problem with that? If you're going to be funny, at least dress the part. Borrow F'edups orange jumpsuit, clown nose, size 24 shoes and flaming blue hair.
May 15, 2012 at 7:50 a.m.
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Do i think including that footage was political? not really, it was said on camera, were the comments political? sure, are unions political, sure? what's the controversy? As far as a divide and conquer strategy, anyone that has ever worked in a union shop can tell you that is a very common practice within those walls. Divide and conquer between the employees and management. For those people to be in an uproar after those comments now from Gov. Walker is laughable. The circus continues.
May 15, 2012 at 1:06 a.m.
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Why worry about just "one" company paying zero taxes? Shouldn't they all pay something as well as all people pay something. Wait, never mind...
May 15, 2012 at 12:57 a.m.
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I would be more concerned with the fact that according to the Wisconsin Dept of Revenue, ABC supply paid $0 in state taxes in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 and later years were not known yet. My guess would be zero as well.
May 14, 2012 at 10:35 p.m.
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if the people on the 5.0 committee are so against unions does that mean they are only trying to bring companies to this area that commit to being non union?
May 14, 2012 at 4:28 p.m.
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If this is such a big problem make a law that NOBODY can give more than $5000-individuales,
corporations and unions. Until then the rich on both sides can donate what they want legally. As for "divide and conquer" Obama is pro at that game. The more chaos he has the better he likes it.
May 14, 2012 at 2:48 p.m.
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MadeinUSA: Go from this comment over to the left margin. Follow the left margin all the way up to that link that reads: "Click here to watch the video clip." (It's right under the heading: "Watch the video")
BTW, Martha Stewart says the elastic band from an old pair of jockey shorts makes a dandy chinstrap that will keep any tinfoil hat from slipping down over your eyes. ;-)
May 14, 2012 at 12:46 p.m.
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Vato,
One thing that liberals and conservatives can agree on: The use of a double negative is considered poor grammar.
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"...they never really have nothing in common..."
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What do you have in common with a billionairess (inherited) who tries to use her money to push for right to work legislation? Could you talk personally to the governor about an issue that you feel is important?
May 14, 2012 at 8:38 a.m.
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lol, so typical of liberals.
May 14, 2012 at 8:07 a.m.
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nothing but fear and rhetoric...
May 14, 2012 at 8:04 a.m.
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Walker is interested in political power to implement right-wing social engineering. It has nothing to do with balancing the budget. It has everything to do with pillaging the middle class on behalf of his noble overseers.
May 14, 2012 at 7:05 a.m.
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(video from year ago)
The real Tom Barrett
http://youtu.be/1E3FNf7Ba60
(It's not violent speech if a dem says it).
May 14, 2012 at 6:19 a.m.
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916 I am not sure what is more hilarious in this game of walter and GA. Walter consistently lied about voter ID laws and GA, who claims to want to know your identity, has been posting under more than one account on these blogs for many months.
And these are the 2 saying others are being dishonest....ROFLOL.
May 14, 2012 at 3:49 a.m.
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poorrichard, I believe MadeInUSA is referring to the hiring of a gentleman named Tom Walker by ABC. He is, however, from Indiana and attended Bowling Green State University in Kentucky, so is probably not a relative of Scott Walker, who apparently was born in Colorado Springs, though his parents are from the Rockford area. I'm not surprised someone would suspect a quid pro quo, given that warm embrace that Hendricks gave Walker while asking what she could do for him, and Walker's hiring practices in Milwaukee County and state government, where people with no knowledge of a topic are apparently preferred for running state offices. But Tom Walker is apparently someone with long ties to the roofing industry. We can put that one to bed.
http://www.abcsupply.com/tom-walker-join...
May 14, 2012 at 12:52 a.m.
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Cant wait till ole Scotty is Gone baby Gone !
May 13, 2012 at 8:23 p.m.
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anyone in the private sector that thinks busting unions is going to advance their status in a right to work state... well, your a moron..
May 13, 2012 at 7:35 p.m.
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Made in USA-How about some "real" sources for the info you are stating.
May 13, 2012 at 6:38 p.m.
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Good American, good questions.
May 13, 2012 at 5:34 p.m.
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Total strangers should not have the right to love one another without first getting your approval, right winterstinks? The last thing we need in this world are more hugs. Eeeeeew.
May 13, 2012 at 4:34 p.m.
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Lack courage?? Seriously? Because I don't want to give out personal contact info to someone I don't know who's fixated on posts I made five months ago and who I'm currently arguing with on a newspaper's website? Are you an idiot?!? I told you where your "violation" is taking place. Go there, see it for yourself. You seem passionate enough about this cause to go the extra mile. Stop talking about it and do it--File your paperwork--let them investigate......Do it and report back with your findings and apology......I'm done with you at this point--just send the apology.......Good day......
May 13, 2012 at 4:15 p.m.
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Goodamerican.......As I really don't care about confidentiality and you seem to be deeply affected by it, I will make zero effort to resolve what you perceive as an injustice--if it means that much to you man up and take this on. Make the trip--It's right of 213 on the west side of Beloit. Report back with your findings and my apology. You can then submit your findings to the government agencies you listed........Good day.
May 13, 2012 at 4:06 p.m.
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916WI,
I wish you a very speedy recovery. Best of luck to you.
May 13, 2012 at 4:04 p.m.
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Goodamerican.......I seriously could care less. If this is that big of an issue for you SEND THE LETTER!!!!! If the confidentiality violation is that big of a problem for you, YOU need to do something about it. I have made it completely clear where this is taking place. Go there, witness it for yourself, and take the appropriate action to resolve it. Why you need me there to verify anything, makes no sense. Good luck, good day and send the apology when you have completed your investigation........
May 13, 2012 at 3:58 p.m.
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Wally, If you truly have been to the Woodmans in Beloit over the last three years and have used a card in the terminals without seeing the words come up on the display, I'm calling you a bold faced liar........Good day.
May 13, 2012 at 3:43 p.m.
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916WI,
I understand what you think you know. You're free to think whatever you want. Just realize that there is the possibility that what you think you know and reality are two completely different things. I work with recipients of food share benefits and have accompanied many of them to that exact Woodman's numerous times. Never in at least the last 3 years has the terminal displayed the word "Food Stamps". If you are seeing it, first, you should probably find something other than what others are purchasing to pay attention to while waiting in line. It's kind of weird/creepy/pervy/rude to be ogling someone else's grocery purchase. Learn some etiquette. Show some class. Mind your own business. Secondly, it's not really there. You are the only one seeing that. Set up a doctor's appointment so they can refer you to a neurologist.
May 13, 2012 at 3:41 p.m.
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GoodAmerican.......Sounds like a plan......As I said, I am expecting an apology for you calling me a liar when you are done with this. Hopefully you have the character to follow through with the apology.......As I said, I'm not holding my breath.....
May 13, 2012 at 3:32 p.m.
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GoodAmerican,
You're right. It's an out and out lie from 916WI. Retailers have to keep records of these transactions. If the terminals were coded to indicate that method of payment was a specific benefit program of any sort, the retailer could face extremely steep fines. Clearly 916 has merely convinced him/her self that they saw something that was not, in fact, there.
May 13, 2012 at 3:32 p.m.
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Wally, I will tell you the exact same thing that I told goodamerican.......The readout at Woodman's in Beloit absolutely, positively reads "FOOD STAMPS" when the recipient accesses those benefits. A phone call to any cashier at the Woodmans in Beloit would verify the info. It is not an anomaly as I have seen it several times.....Understand??
May 13, 2012 at 3:24 p.m.
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916WI,
Where to start? The tax increase was not $1.2 billion. It was $290 million. It was treated like numerous other budget repair bills before it without public hearing. The Dems didn't need any support from Repubs. They had the majority in both chambers and the the governor. The same goes for the Repubs in 2011. That's not the issue. No one is begrudging them their ability to pass legislation based on their majority. Again, since you don't seem to get it, Doyle's budget repair bill was entirely about the budget. Walker's wasn't. Walker has admitted that in a Congressional committee hearing. That was, is and will remain the problem. The compromise was that Doyle cut state worker pay and increased their required benefits contributions and also passed a modest tax increase. I already made this all very clear. Whether you choose not to read it or are incapable of comprehending it, I couldn't help you in either case.
Also, having worked on both Woodman's and Walmart's POS systems, I can tell you that when a person uses the Foodshare program's QUEST card the letters EBT show on the screen. That is how the terminals have been coded to display the method of payment. EBT stands for electronic benefits transfer. They have been coded this way to comply with the different federal and state laws and guidelines. It's been that way for some years now.
May 13, 2012 at 3:24 p.m.
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916WI,
Where to start? The tax increase was not $1.2 billion. It was $290 million. It was treated like numerous other budget repair bills before it without public hearing. The Dems didn't need any support from Repubs. They had the majority in both chambers and the the governor. The same goes for the Repubs in 2011. That's not the issue. No one is begrudging them their ability to pass legislation based on their majority. Again, since you don't seem to get it, Doyle's budget repair bill was entirely about the budget. Walker's wasn't. Walker has admitted that in a Congressional committee hearing. That was, is and will remain the problem. The compromise was that Doyle cut state worker pay and increased their required benefits contributions and also passed a modest tax increase. I already made this all very clear. Whether you choose not to read it or are incapable of comprehending it, I couldn't help you in either case.
Also, having worked on both Woodman's and Walmart's POS systems, I can tell you that when a person uses the Foodshare program's QUEST card the letters EBT show on the screen. That is how the terminals have been coded to display the method of payment. EBT stands for electronic benefits transfer. They have been coded this way to comply with the different federal and state laws and guidelines. It's been that way for some years now.
May 13, 2012 at 3:22 p.m.
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GoodAmerican........Have you read my last several posts??? YES, I AM SAYING EXACTLY THAT!!!!! Does that make it clear for you? Make your calls, go on a road trip and come back here with an apology. As far as them breaking any laws, after reading your "research" no confidential info comes up on the terminal, just the words "FOOD STAMPS" which happens after the recipient pulls out and swipes their card. You want to make an issue of a 5 month old post, fine......Just have the character to apologize for calling me a liar......Good day.
May 13, 2012 at 3:12 p.m.
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GoodAmerican.......You're pathetic.....I gave you the exact location where this takes place. Make your phone calls, verify what I have said, and then come back with an apology. Good day......
May 13, 2012 at 3:07 p.m.
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Wally,
What lies have I posted about the democrats?? Did they not increase taxes by $1.2 billion? Did they not illegally raid the transportation and malpractice funds, did they not completely shut the Republican legislators out of the process with every Republican voting against that bill? Where was the compromise there? Please tell me specifically which information I posted is "false". Your selective memory is starting to kick in again:)
May 13, 2012 at 3:01 p.m.
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Thanks for clarifying. You reap what you sow. No complaints from me.
May 13, 2012 at 2:59 p.m.
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GoodAmerican.......While I am really excited that you are going out of your way to research the issue, but the readout said "FOOD STAMPS".....You can post all of the rules and regulations you choose to, but it was clearly displayed on the terminal. I realize the program hasn't been called that for years, that is the way use of the card was coded into the terminal though. Take your card to the Woodmans in Beloit, pay for your food with it, and then come back here and apologize to me.......Thanks in advance!
May 13, 2012 at 2:57 p.m.
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916WI,
I think you standing in line and reading through someone else's grocery purchase is a lot more pathetic than someone checking into the lies you post on a newspaper website. I corrected your BS about Doyle's budget repair bill compared to Walker's. That's not pathetic. That's just making sure that other readers that choose not to do their own research have the opportunity to avoid being misled by your false information.
May 13, 2012 at 2:55 p.m.
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Youkillme....I never said it wasn't your right.......If you think marching up to the capitol building, screaming at legislators, portraying our governor as Hitler with the signage, and disrupting the workday of everyone who works in that building/area is a way to effectively get your message across, by all means, have at it. I prefer to simply let the elected official serve out his/term and then correct the problem at the polls. While your way is more dramatic, I find my way is more effective. As far as your comment regarding "rage" is concerned......By the signage, screaming, and words of those who rallied against Walker, I would dare to say rage is more of an issue with them, than those who do their "speaking" on election day.......Thanks!
May 13, 2012 at 2:51 p.m.
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Winterstinks, sounds to me your questioning your own sexualality. Something inside there you care to share with us ?
May 13, 2012 at 2:37 p.m.
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GoodAmerican....While it's quite pathetic to see that part of your life involves checking the validity of posts made on the gazette's website five months ago, you are wrong(no surprise there) The checkout lines at the Woodman's grocery store in Beloit absolutely do, or did back in January, say "Food Stamps" when the program was used. I am 100% sure of this. Do some more research, make some more phone calls and come back and apologize for calling me a liar.......I won't hold my breath for the apology.......
May 13, 2012 at 2:21 p.m.
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916 @ 12:48, surely you must feel the right wing backers are guilty of this if you have read any of the posts from that group over the years. And, based on your responses to them, it is obvious you have. Their, and I believe your, response is often pointing out some unrelated "similar" situation that occurred at another time. Calling others hypocrites for doing the same seems quite disingenuous. I was starting to have a little more respect for you than some of your colleagues. Perhaps I jumped to a premature conclusion.
May 13, 2012 at 1:52 p.m.
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916WI, if you have a problem with government or a politician and prefer to remain silent and sit it out till election time, that's your right. But all that does is create a deep-seated hate and festering silent rage and a basis for revenge and division. Others prefer to get directly involved when they see wrong and that's why so many are trying to put government back in the hands of the people. That's our right too.
May 13, 2012 at 12:48 p.m.
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youkillme....Nope, no protests at all......Just patiently waited to the next round of elections and handed every branch of the state's government to the Republicans and charged them with correcting the problems. Seems to be a much more effective way to get things done:)
Wally....Apparently in your world, you have no issue pointing out the wrongs committed by political parties you don't support, but conveniently turn a blind eye while not mentioning when those same wrongs are committed by the party you do support. Sounds very hypocritical.......Interesting.......
May 13, 2012 at 12:26 p.m.
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916WI,
Apparently, in your world, 2 wrongs make a right. Interesting...
Let's compare the 2 repair bills though, shall we? First, Doyle didn't underhandedly tie public union collective bargaining rights to a budget bill in order to push it through in a way that was unlikely to be stopped and then go before Congress and admit that that part of the bill had nothing to do with the budget. That was all Walker.
Secondly, only 290 million of that 1.2 billion was an actual tax increase and most of that came from closing a tax loophole that allowed corporations to move their profits to other states that wouldn't tax them. The rest was a hospital fee that hospitals across the state endorsed because it allowed for increased Medicaid reimbursements.
Was it rushed? Yes. Was it the HUGE tax increase many try to make it to be? Not at all. Was there much public hearing on it? Nope. None at all, in fact. Many budget repair bills do not get public hearing. Most budget repair bills do not have the elimination of workers' collective bargaining rights tied to them like Walker's did.
Also, Doyle was tougher on public employees than any other WI governor before him. He kept pay increases to a bare minimum and instituted furlough days which resulted in a 3% pay cut. He also made public workers pay more for their benefits. For example, the portion of health insurance premiums paid by public workers doubled under Jim Doyle. As I stated earlier, it's about compromise. Jim Doyle did well with what he had to deal with. He inherited a $3.2 billion deficit from the Thompson/McCallum years and then faced the nation's worst financial collapse since the Great Depression head on. Even though he faced much more difficult circumstances, he was able to hand off the state to Walker in no worse financial shape than how it was given to him.
May 13, 2012 at 12:18 p.m.
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916WI, I barely remember that time. There were no protests and no visible tax increase on my property tax bill or income. And, if you hadn't said we were divided at that time, I'd know. My neighbors and family members got along extremely up until March of 2011 and we still did not get that $1.2 billion increase refunded. Instead, we got $1.1 increase in spending.
May 13, 2012 at 11:42 a.m.
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Wally......Your comment, "When the Republicans took control of the entire state government they basically said "We have the votes. We have all the power. You will have no say anymore. We will now make life altering decisions for you." sounds eerily similar to what the democrats and Doyle did when they last had control of the state's government. They shut the Republicans out of the process, rammed though $1.2 billion in tax increases, and divided the state in the process......
May 13, 2012 at 11:38 a.m.
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Well, "divide and conquer" is the star scooter has hitched his wagon to. Is that a viable way to go? Based on the results we've seen so far, obviously not.
May 13, 2012 at 11:12 a.m.
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Well said WalterReuther!
May 13, 2012 at 10:56 a.m.
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Thats the best you can do yada, the same tired statement you have made before?
May 13, 2012 at 10:22 a.m.
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I agree with Dkush. We need to first open our eyes to what is truly happening around us with corruption in politics, the efforts of corporate society to own our country through their "ownership" of politicians (like Walker), and together fight against it.
May 13, 2012 at 10:21 a.m.
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RETIRED-AIR-FORCE - Walter Mitty is proud that you think you were in the Air Force. Sorry that I can't help - No vaccine against stupidity has been invented for you yet.I would insult you, but you would take it as a compliment. I do feel bad for you being arrested at Sams Club for stealing free samples.
May 13, 2012 at 10:08 a.m.
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sorry Scottie...you've been busted, and next you'll be ousted :)
May 13, 2012 at 9:48 a.m.
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Sorry for the double post
May 13, 2012 at 9:47 a.m.
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Yes dumb and dumber, bill maher and yada.
May 13, 2012 at 9:46 a.m.
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What is sad is that the United States is being turned into a third world country and we are allowing it to happen. Little by little, our rights are being taken away. Our Constitution is being torn apart. Wake up everyone and let's start working together and let's put a stop to this before it is too late.
May 13, 2012 at 9:46 a.m.
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What is sad is that the United States is being turned into a third world country and we are allowing it to happen. Little by little, our rights are being taken away. Our Constitution is being torn apart. Wake up everyone and let's start working together and let's put a stop to this before it is too late.
May 13, 2012 at 9:43 a.m.
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Bill Maher - said it quite well - "Voting Republican is an act of stupidity by the middle class" - - the Republican party does not give a rip about the middle class. Your vote for Walker is like shooting yourself in the foot - just dumb and if you do it again you will be featured with Scotty in the new Dumber & Dumber movie.
http://mariopiperni.com/republican-madne...
May 13, 2012 at 9:31 a.m.
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What a laugh, republicans are made at the cameraman for catching Walker red handed, that's funny. Bye - Bye Walker.
May 13, 2012 at 9:28 a.m.
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And just to make things clear, we, as citizens, are all being brainwashed by both parties. Whatever happened to our representatives working together to make this a better nation for all of us? They are all guilty of dividing and conquering. They are not working for us, but for their own and special interest groups. Maybe when everyone starts realizing this, we CAN start working together to make this a better place for everyone.
May 13, 2012 at 9:15 a.m.
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Let's see, Walker is being investigated by the Feds and now we see this clip, whether it be politically motivated or not, who cares, it's the truth. All I know is that I am sick and tired of my tax money going to give the rich corporations and elite more tax breaks that they don't obviously need at the expense of millions of people who are struggling because of a dwindling middle class. And you all think this is not planned?
May 13, 2012 at 9:12 a.m.
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Fedup,
How are tax increases the only alternative? When did it become spending cuts OR tax increases and nowhere in between? That's the type of mindset that is getting us nowhere. There should be compromise within a healthy fully functioning government. Republican hero Ronald Reagan raised taxes and cut spending. He worked across the aisle. As Speaker, Newt Gingrich compromised during the Clinton years. Democrats were more than willing to work with Walker to make his budget "repair" bill more palatable to a broader group of the citizenry even after Walker reversed on his pre election promises that he would work with and negotiate with the public unions. Compromise was off the table at that point, however. When the Republicans took control of the entire state government they basically said "We have the votes. We have all the power. You will have no say anymore. We will now make life altering decisions for you. What is important to you is irrelevant. If you don't like it, go work somewhere else, and best of luck to ya out there. We know we've got you backed up against a wall, and we will use that to our advantage." All the public unions hoped for retaining was their ability to exist as a union and their right to bargain as a union. Once the good times returned, why shouldn't they be able to eventually bargain to see a little return on their sacrifices toward helping those good times return? Walker, however, had already convinced enough people that WI's financial problems were rooted in nothing but the public employee unions. His logic insists that public union collective bargaining is inherently detrimental to state finances and that any public union member lived so high on the hog that the pittance he was forcing them to pay wouldn't impact their lives in the slightest. Try telling that to a public employee that was taking home around $28,000 who now takes home $24,000. Many bargaining units had negotiated a wage freeze with the state the better part of a decade ago to help with the state's financial issues that had already been revealed back then. They negotiated fairly, justly and in good faith to receive no pay increases so that their required contribution to their retirement and health insurance plans would remain at 0. Walker came in and basically told them "Now you will contribute to those things AND your wage freeze continues AND you will never be able to collectively bargain ever again. Thank you so much for your service to the state of WI. Now excuse me, I have to cut education and health care services for low income folks while giving tax cuts and no bid contracts to large corporations and wealthy campaign donors. I'll probably also hand out large bonuses to the state workers that are willing to do my bidding in all this even though I'm going to continually harp on and on about how broke WI is." That is Gov. Walker in a nutshell (not including good old John Doe), and that is why we are where we are politically in this state.
May 13, 2012 at 8:21 a.m.
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Not political? Sure...
May 13, 2012 at 7:52 a.m.
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Time to read & see more comments by Scott Walker. Great video here of Walker(one week before election)telling how he would negotiate with unions like he had as County Executive in Milwaukee.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/20...
May 13, 2012 at 7:46 a.m.
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usaret,
Not you, perhaps. For others it already has though. See, at this point, there are probably more voters that will jump off the Walker ship than get on it. That's why, in what will be such a tight election, that conversation is a political gift, beautifully wrapped with a bow on it.
May 13, 2012 at 7:41 a.m.
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So what if there was a political motive? Walker is out to turn this state into a poverty stricken Southern state like Mississippi or Alabama. All so his billionaire friends can benefit.
May 13, 2012 at 7:39 a.m.
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So, this great revelation is going to encourage me to vote for Barrett? Don't think so.
May 13, 2012 at 7:23 a.m.
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RAF,
My guess is that Lichtenstein had to stand by his word to Walker that what he was filming would never be made public for at least a year after the conversation took place. Plus, what better time to get some publicity for his soon to be released documentary? It seems like his personal gain is front and center here, not political motivation.
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From transcript of conversation:
Brad Lichtenstein: I've been doing a documentary -
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Walker: Oh, cool.
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Hendricks: - so what we're going to do and talk about right now is just concerns that Mary (Willmer-Sheedy) and I have that we probably, are a little controversial to bring up upstairs. OK? I don't want to - because there's press up there.
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Walker: OK, sure.
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Lichtenstein: Just so you know, nothing I do is going to see the light of day for over another year.
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Walker: OK, that's fine.
May 13, 2012 at 7:13 a.m.
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When you can't attack the content, attack the source. Regardless if the release was politically motivated, the content was not doctored, changed, or taken out of context. Yes it is a short clip, but if you read the transcript or watch the 10 minute "trailer"/preview then you'll see that the quote is fully in context.
May 13, 2012 at 6:36 a.m.
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walker & his goons are only out to make them selfs richer & have slave labor
May 13, 2012 at 6:31 a.m.
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"YOU WANTED A WAR? WE GAVE YOU ONE. AND WE WON. QUIT WHINING..."-rick_raff@4:54pm
Why are you shouting, rickraff? Do you think that you are at war? What makes you think anyone "wanted a war", rickraff? Do you think that you are a soldier and do you think that you are at war with other citizens of Wisconsin, rickraff?
May 13, 2012 at 6:31 a.m.
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Of course this is not politically motivated. Hmmm yet the guy donated to the Barrett campaign. I am sure that is just a coincidence.
http://www.wisdc.org/index.php?module=wi...
May 13, 2012 at 6:11 a.m.
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Yes, unclejesse because you don't like her perspectives on how the business climate in this state should be reformed, we should send her to a different country. Maybe she could take her businesses, charitable contributions, and the tax dollars that she and her companies pay as well as the jobs those businesses provide with her.........Great plan on how to best benefit Rock County there UJ......you should run for office!
May 13, 2012 at 2:17 a.m.
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(This Underhanded Governor will removed by Wisconsin Residents)...........shows her true colors as well ......greed just leads to more greed , how much is enough money Diane ? wish i could vote her to a dif country .
May 13, 2012 at 12:29 a.m.
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really intelligent posts defending this gaff! We have the "Koch Bros" call, slashing education, last in jobs and now divide and conquer... and yet they defend him. This is not a game people... it's the future of the state!
May 13, 2012 at 12:18 a.m.
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The best thing going for the recall is Walkers record and his own words. If his "tools" still think he's awesome- Well stupid is as stupid does.
May 13, 2012 at 12:07 a.m.
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@rick-Raff- " who's micro-brain feeds off union propoganda and not facts". Could anything could be more factual than an actual video of Walker talking about " divide and conquer"? what are you talking about.
May 12, 2012 at 11:55 p.m.
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Koch_Bros Were you previously posting as Mouse?
May 12, 2012 at 10:59 p.m.
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It is what it is.
He said it, she said it.
If you like what he is saying, why complain?
If you don't like what he is saying you can vote against him.
May 12, 2012 at 9:49 p.m.
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I have voted for both parties in the past depending on the circumstances but this guy is is a real dirt bag. Can we please vote him out and get started on rebuilding Wisconsins reputation?
May 12, 2012 at 9:11 p.m.
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sorry the previous post wasn't clear--why would she prevent it from being shown??
May 12, 2012 at 9:09 p.m.
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Schnibble...Why would she? She has never been secretive with regard to her support of our governor......Hopefully it is playing because I wouldn't mind seeing the documentary. I just wish that the festival was in the summer or fall as opposed to the winter.......Not fun walking from venue to venue in the snow/sleet.......
May 12, 2012 at 7:18 p.m.
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Such transparent partisanship -- change the subject to anything but the topic at hand: corruption.
May 12, 2012 at 6:45 p.m.
May 12, 2012 at 6:30 p.m.
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The truth is the truth, and it should be out there regardless of whether it becomes political or not. It's the same as making all of those recall petitions public. If you are willing to sign it, it might become public. If you are willing to speak in front of someone else's camera, what you say might become public. No politician that speaks of "conquering" the people of his state, whether speaking literally or figuratively, deserves the office he holds or the respect of a single voter.
May 12, 2012 at 5:53 p.m.
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Hmmm. I know I shouldn't assume statements from some of the numbskulls are true. They usually never are. My mistake. Brad Lichtenstein did not sign the recall petition according to the JS Online database.
http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/dataond...
May 12, 2012 at 5:07 p.m.
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Sure, go after the camera man who donated $100 to Barrett's campaign and signed the recall petition. That's important. Forget about the politics behind the Rock County 5.0, the conversation and the content of video. It was all fabricated with holograms for liberal propaganda purposes. hahahahaha -- Elmer Fudd
May 12, 2012 at 4:55 p.m.
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If walker & his people get to ////// THE PEOPLE OF WI CAN SHOP IN OTHER STATES
May 12, 2012 at 4:54 p.m.
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@Joe_McC- Apparently the Koch Bros money hasn't been able to influence PBS too much. Unless they will now try to undermine this videographer's career.
May 12, 2012 at 4:50 p.m.
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Deny it all he wants - but he signed the petition to recall Walker. There is nothing else to say.
May 12, 2012 at 4:41 p.m.
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PBS ... Koch Bos.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/
May 12, 2012 at 4:27 p.m.
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The video was shot in January 2011 ( 14 months ago)and Walker was told at that time that it wouldn't be released for at least one year. At that point in his history, Walker was really really heady with power and powerful people ( you remember David Koch) so he shot his mouth off again. He's singing a different tune now, and should be. What a dunce.
May 12, 2012 at 4:17 p.m.
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Why is this video just now coming out?
May 12, 2012 at 4:17 p.m.
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