the NOBs (nuns on bus) are funded by Acorn, and SEIU...among other similar groups.

I wonder if Mr. Ryan truly understands his Catholic faith's true treatment of women in general all these years. Only MEN are created equal! The Catholic church should get in the 21st century and allow priests to marry and allow women to be priests. Read the new guidelines for sexuals abuse cases.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jul/15/...

"Tweaking existing church policies won't have real impact on bishops' behavior and won't make the changes that kids need to be safe," said David Clohessy, director of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests.

And controversially, the new document classifies the attempted ordination of a woman as a canonical crime equal in gravity to molesting minors and heresy. That has outraged advocates of greater rights for women within the Roman Catholic Church, many of them in the United States."

SG, from whom do you learn your world history, the Grand Imperial Wizard of the KKK?

And who's shouting you down? No one. Something redeeming inside you is making you feel small for your Limbaughism.

Snobbery, billnewbie? An example of snobbery is your stance that you have a special relationship with the almighty creator of the universe while that same "god" ignores the thousands of babies and children who die each day from dirty and malnutrition. Snobbery indeed.

And you'll only come back to this thread to read my post but you won't have the nerve to respond to it. You can't handle the truth.

@916

Zerban challenging Ryan for the Congressional seat. Zerban loves entitlements.

Rob and Cornelia Zerban

"Rob learned early how to make the most of his life, and how government can be a partner in creating the American Dream. Rob was raised in a single-parent household where his mother worked outside of the home to keep a roof over his head. Growing up, he ate government cheese and received free milk at school.

With the help of Pell Grants and Stafford Loans, Rob attended the Culinary Institute of America at Hyde Park, New York, a prestigious culinary school where he was trained as a chef and learned restaurant business management."

http://www.robzerban.com/about

Maybe with his culinary degree, he can "cook the books"?

Wislady.....Who is Rob Zerban??:)

Gazettefan telling someone to lose the snobbery??? Now that's funny!!!!

These women have been removed, why aren't they referred to as former or admonished in the headlines? They have been rejected once, do they really want to come to Wisconsin to join with the recall losers?

This little event was nothing more than a photo op Rob Zerban. The nun bus was a nice touch though.

Chants of "Tell me what democracy looks like" were tried, but fell flat after two chants.
What democracy looks like...the election of Scott Walker....AGAIN.

I saw that Rob Zerban was trying to make the most of this, making sure he got in front of the mike...standing nearby, Yuri Rashin.

SG, the nuns are members of a private institution known as the Catholic Church. Paul Ryan is a public official and member of Congress. I am far more concerned about a congressman either using his religion or proposing a government budget document based on his religion more than I am about a squabble between the nuns and the Vatican. It's none of my business. Paul Ryan is all my business because I live in the 1st Congressional District and pay taxes that pay his salary.

SG, lose the snobbery.

And, again:

(nuns not following the rules) It's as though you're focusing on the hijinks of teenagers in the Hitler Youth Movement while the Nazis slaughter millions.

SG_ Oops again. Your statements on your previous posts specifically said "nuns" make $48K. See below. Now you want to change the statement. Not buying it. And by the way, "laffs" is spelled "laughs".
1. @analert, you seem to be misreading things. As I previously posted, the 48K per year is an average of ALL nuns in the USA.
2'. "@analert, I hate to break this to you, but the average yearly income of a nun in the States is around 48K per year. A little research, please.

Jesus was a rabbi who taught adherence to the Old Testament. The Old Testament teaches that a disobedient child should be stoned to death.

YKM: Which reality? Your reality or the one the rest of us live in?

Youkillme.......A reality check?? Maybe you should take your own advice on that one:) It's really easy to see how people could support one and not the other. I don't think that anyone would argue that many of the messages relayed in the bible and in Christian or Cathloic teachings are strong and just, people have become disenchanted with those delivering the messages. Similar case with unions and what they have evolved into.........

I just find it very bizarre that some folks here are bashing the nuns for not being in lockstep with a church they consider rotten to the core, but leave a congressman to run wild who invokes the "rotten churches" teachings as the basis for his government budget document. Seriously ...it's time for a reality check for a few.

SG- Give it up. You clearly lost your argument within your post of made up facts. You need to learn on these blogs that someone will always find the truth in your statements. Now you want to reference teacher salaries. Grabbing at straws. Go to another site.

SG, curiously. Is Paul Ryan's budget based on his religion and if so, does that coincide squarely with anyone who believes in a separation of Church and state? IF his budget is not based on Catholicism even though he insists it is, is it wrong for nuns and bishops to try and set the record straight regardlees of what the Vatican thinks? how does what the Vatican rules change Paul Ryan's statement of a catholic-based government budget.

SG, maybe we're not so far apart on this re: the Catholic Church being whacked. Except if I were to single out what part of that whacked-out group deserved criticism, I'd be inclined to focus on the rotten-to-the-core element of that group.

It is a documented fact that the current pope, before he became pope, played an instrumental role in his Church's institutionalization of child rape. Such behavior makes what the nuns are doing unimportant, even if what they are doing can be described as whacky.

It's as though you're focusing on the hijinks of teenagers in the Hitler Youth Movement while the Nazis slaughter millions.

@SG- Sorry to belabor the subject but the link YOU posted discussed all 'clergy" which includes priests and it also stated about nuns:
..."This makes it virtually impossible to estimate average earnings. However, nuns give up any earnings they may have to the Church, so in essence, nuns don't have a salary, even if an average were assessable."
What other information can you cite as this information only adds to my argument that nuns essentially volunteer their time and you posted the link?
Also, your condescending comment; "@analert, your catholic education should have taught you to read better than that" fits here as another foot in mouth comment.

The nuns are not dictating Catholic Church policy. They are merely exercizing their Constitutional right by calling out a congressman who claims that his Ayn Randing based budget is built on Catholic Doctrine. The nuns claim it is not. I believe the nuns.

SG, the problem with your point is that the Vatican and the nuns are both claiming to derive their existence and morality from the same book, the bible.

The problem with the Vatican's version of morality is that they've made a bunch of it up: the Vatican has doctrine beyond what the bible says. Whereas, the nuns can cite the bible directly to justify their actions.

Your view only holds if you are willing to claim that the popes channel god (which, by the way, is church doctrine). But even then, you'd have to deal with the fact that god is contradicting his own biblical stance.

You can't dismiss the burden of the Catholic Church's basis.

In any case, your point is non-democratic (small d intended). If, at worst, the Catholic Church is a volunteer group (acutually, that's all it really is), since when are the members of a volunteer group denied the right to influence the stance of the group?

@SG- I have searched and searched to find information on the average salary of nuns to be $48k. I come up with things like " They receive a modest stipend...", " They return their earnings to the order...",etc. The only statement close is the average salary in Sisters, Oregon being $48k. Can you cite the source of your information so we can clear this up. I will listen to any factual information but don't really like made up statisitcs.

SG, I would suspect that the lord doesn't have a land line given that he's supposed to have been communicating with humans for thousands of years by way of an invisible cell phone.

Don't you believe that the pope is channeling the lord, and therefore it is the pope who's expressing the lord's wishes. In which case, he should have smote the nuns by now?

I mean let's stay on track about what the bible says about the lord.

@Fear- RE: your post at 11:52 PM. I, too, find SG's comments and link hilarious since he proved my point. I think he/she excerpted something earlier from the internet that headlined the average median household income of people residing in Sisters,Oregon and thought it was the median income of "sisters" (nuns). And... it was on the heels of his cryptic post to me; " @analert, I hate to break this to you, but the average yearly income of a nun in the States is around 48K per year. A little research, please." Too funny.

It's also entertaining to see leftists constantly cry about "separation of church and state" while simultaneously cheering on their leftist nuns and having the federal government dictate Catholic church policy regarding the abortofascient and sterilization benefits Catholic ministries must offer contrary to Catholic teaching.

Like I always say, being a Democrat means never having to say you're sorry!

Who's directly following god's dictates? the Vatican or the nuns?

Speaking of...the fear mongering left fringe, I see he has deposited more rhetoric.

While youre at it why dont you link the other top 10 searches from google Yahoo answers, wikianswers, ask.com, etc......
Nuns perform services at Catholic schools, in Hospitals, etc......How many of them do you see driving around in Cadilacs?Should they not be paid for teaching or any other work that they do? It may not be assembly line manufacturing but it is work. Why spend your life being a condescending jerk? You sound like RAFs cousin, an angry, bitter old labeller.

SG- We are in Agreement about the Bible, little more than a stroybook. What I do find quite hilarious is your link about nuns salaries is an ehow page? Your kidding right? Even on the linked page here is the text.

""Nuns play a leading role in the spiritual life of the public, often doing important social work with a selfless and humble attitude. Nuns do not get paid the same way other people do for working -- they turn any earnings over to the Catholic Church, which they trust to provide a stipend that will cover minimum expenses of living. Their pay thus depends on their community, not on how much or where they work."""

So please slow down and read your own links before going offon tangents, I get you are some kind of right wing guy who enjoys labeling others as some way to make yourself feel more intelligent but it wont work here. So if you want to have an intelligent dialect, try dumping the libs/leftist crap its just another way for people to disguise ignorance, see-TedKennedy

The idea of Jesus returning to stop "child diddling" only if it were committed in a "serious religious entity" is an interesting one.

@Walter- Amen brother.

So NOT interested in getting into it with you SG. Fanatacism is simply not my thing whether is anti or pro a cause. You obviously have some issues with religion. So do I, but I don't really need this forum to debate the issues.

The bishops and nuns who support Paul Ryan for his Atlas Shrugged views of Christainity, society and government should be fired from the Church. Ayn Rand and Jesus are not compatible.

@thirdeye- Your comment "Jun 16, 2012 at 10:01 a.m.analertcitizen: Your lack of knowledge about the Catholic Church is reflected in your posts" is kind of a foot in mouth statement.
I attended Catholic schools from 1st through 12th grades and spent 3 1/2 years at a Catholic University ( 1 semester abroad in a state university program) and I am still a practicing Catholic. I have witnessed Vatican II and the changes in the church. I studied the encyclical " Humanae Vitae" when we got married to come to a conclusion about birth control. I watched nuns go from habits to street clothes and accepted it. When the Church changed the rules from no meat on Fridays to meat allowed, I went with that too.I do not believe in abortion but do not feel it is my job to judge anyone who feels the need to make that horrific decision. I have not left the Church because of the many abuses within it. I don't agree with all of the Churches tenets nor do I agree with the people who created the abuses but I do believe in the basic beliefs of the Church. You couldn't be more wrong in your statement.

wasp2491, your Jun 16, 2012 at 10:22 a.m. comment is spot on. It'll be interesting to see if the TedKennedy's of the world attempt to address your comment.

Sisters, do you really think he is going to listen to you? If you donot have 7 zero's attached to you name you don't even exist.

"The U. s. Conference of Catholic Bishops is not out of step with the Vatican. They criticized ryans so called budget proposal as not in line with Catholic teaching. Should he leave the church?" NO!!! He needs to spend more time in church and actually listen.

The U. s. Conference of Catholic Bishops is not out of step with the Vatican. They criticized ryans so called budget proposal as not in line with Catholic teaching. Should he leave the church?

analertcitizen: Your lack of knowledge about the Catholic Church is reflected in your posts. For instance, the role of nuns is largely catecetical. Their role is to reflect the teachings of the catechism, so yes if they "express a voice" that differs from Church teaching they should be "fired".
The Catholic Church is not for the timid.

@SG- You are mistaken about the average salary of nuns. Nuns who are physcians, social workers, nurses, or other professionals receive the same salary as their counterparts but the average nun does not. They take vows which prevent them from keeping their earnings. I realize some John Birch Society writings would have you think otherwise but it is simply not true. I did a search and found that the average wage in the city of "Sisters Oregon" was $48k. Could you be citing that?

Not if you follow an emperor in Rome.

@SG- The Catholic Church has benefitted from free labor from nuns for years and years and years. When they step up and express a "voice" they should be fired? How do you fire essentially a volunteer? We'll see if they don't change some of the rules when the good sisters go away.

"The group says it plans to hold a news conference at 2 p.m. Tuesday in front of Ryan’s office at 20 N. Main St."

Really?
Can't wait to see that crowd.

*snicker* only Tea Party would attack nuns. With vile comments to boot.

TedKennedy. You don't have have any proof of them trying to destroy the Church or any of your other trash talk. You should swallow your acidic phlegm before spewing it here.

I would advocate for 66% of businesses in Wisconsin that dont pay income tax, to start paying first. Then YES churches should pay. Do nuns earn a salary?

I was wondering...do nuns pay taxes? If not, maybe they should.

Nice job fear. I have a long standing admiration for nuns. They were part of my childhood and for the most part very good to me. Nuns are not advocating for abortion SG, they are advocating for women's rights. They are about helping people, which is what they've always done.

Right-on, fearandr........

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ThirdEye, what? Does the Catholic Church still have policies for slaughtering people, e.g., witch burning, Crusades, Inquisitions?

And, did Jesus and the first christians live in castles with expensive art work and jewelry?

And, did the first christians demand that their women be sexless?

SG said-""The big difference is that the nuns today are advocating for abortion, open-borders, female and/or lay participation in the priesthood, and other maters that are contrary to church doctrine. Again, if you wish to be a member of a church, or any other organization, follow their rules or get out. If they want to ordain lesbian priests, let them join another church""

huh, as a former Catholic, I look at every single one of the things on your list of the unholy things these sisters advocate for and I dont see anything avoiding decades of homosexual priests abusing young children all over the WORLD and having the Bishops, Cardinals , and the whole of the church covering up for them!! Please dont lecture about lesbian priests when the catholic church is FULL of closeted male homosexual priests that have been abusing children for decades.

So to your advice, I did leave the Catholic church. Not because of the Nuns or the issues that they advocate for , I left because I have 3 boys, I dont feel comfortable taking them to a church that has gained a reputation for condoning and hiding some of the most disgusting behavior that is known to man.
I would also caution any biblical lectures on this thread. I have in the past , and will in the future show you how flawed the bible can be, and is on MANY issues when concerned with morality. If the Bible and scripture is your barometer on morality, get ready, because the Good Book, isnt that good, as a matter of a fact its quite evil, in many , many parts. Plus I still dont know if there is any passage in the Bible that describes the opinion of the role of Government. I have read the book several times and have yet to see any stance on the role of government. Help me out, and I will help you out. Ready , set, go!!

So nuns (and the churches) now pay taxes to support this system of out-of-control entitlements, right? No? Hmm...well then maybe they should voluntarily start doing so before they get so upset about a system they don't support.

"'We cannot stand by silently when the U.S. Congress considers further enriching the wealthiest Americans at the expense of struggling, impoverished families,' the website states." Replace "wealthiest Americans" with "the Vatican" - the meaning stays the same!

Get a job, girls, and support the system FROM WITHIN!

""but the Catholic Church remains the same, and has for 2000 years.""
Really? Based on the scandals surrounding the church in recent decades I certainly hope not for your sake.

Can we collect enough signatures to recall these nuns???

It would be great to see armies of third class wives of our fascist politicians waving their Atlas Shrugged books at those Bible toting nuns - that would show them.

I asked god for a new harley, but i know god doesn't work that way. so I stole one and asked for forgiveness. maybe religion aint bad after all.

Apparently you don't coordinate articles in your newsroom. Mitt Romney is scheduled to appear in Janesville on Monday morning, where he will be joined by Rep. Ryan and Gov. Walker. You really should work on this.

Back in the 60's nuns and priests were criticized by the "old guard" for marching for Civil Rights. They were called socialists, communists, you name it. Whenever the clergy steps up against the establishment, they are called names. Study history people.

youkillme Jun 15, 2012 at 12:01 a.m.: Representing is not the same thing as speaking for. For example, if you were a conservative and belonged to UAW 95 then the union represented you but did not speak for you.

I am a Catholic and I agree with SG at 7:57am.
His/Her comment "...don't try to remake it in your image." is right on the money and describes exactly what these Nuns on the Bus are trying to do.
Governments come and go and politics change with the season, but the Catholic Church remains the same, and has for 2000 years.
This is not the first generation that feels that the Church is old and out of touch. Where are those other generations now?

Read either Cristopher Hitchens'"God is Not Great" or Richard Dawkins'"The God Delusion" and none of this will matter or make any sense to you anyway.

All I know is that Rush Limbaugh hates them, so they must be on the side of the good guys.

Ted- When did the Cardinals convene and elect you. What an arrogant, ill informed, childish comment. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

It's true, JoyM. The pope's bejeweled house dress could feed quite a few people.

Maybe "Nuns on the Bus" is a unit; therefore "is" is proper.

Unlike Snakes On A Plane.

From a person who was raised Catholic but became disenchanted with it long ago, starting long before the abuse scandals: 1) if the Vatican sold just 1/10 of all its artwork at auction, it could raise some serious cash to "do good works for the poor" and 2) whatever happened to "God helps those who help themselves" (as in the bible story of the talents) instead of "God will provide" (usually spouted by the very ones who expect someone else to carry them)? By the way, even if those nuns inherited money, they couldn't use it individually to help the poor or whatever because they have to turn it over to the church due to their vow of poverty, although priests get to keep their individual inheritances and do what they want with them. At least it was still that way 20 years ago when I waved goodbye.

yada

You need to update your talking points, that video was from Apr 27, 2011.
Also, Ed Schultz is a lunatic.

Nuns gone Rogue!

"educates, organizes and lobbies for economic and social transformation."

Why aren't they protesting Obama, since this is one of their issues from the website, and it has been well over 1000 days and NO budget.

Federal Budget, Debt and Taxes

http://www.networklobby.org/issues/econo...

yada found this just for you https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hph...

yada are you still yipping over a person from one party who buys wine while ignoring a person from the other party who owns a winery?

I think Romney is probably a nice guy, but his history doesn't look good for the Average working person. Bain as I see it was mostly a group that raided companies,consolidated a lot of them and laid off a lot of people and sold them. Good for making money, not so good for making jobs. He also let a right wing religious talk show host, Bryan Fischer, bully him into firing a campaign aide for being gay. How will he stand up to foreign leaders? Only a small list of his problems as I see them. Now we look at paul ryan. How this guy who went to a second tier college. Got a degree in accounting, is now considered an economist I will never understand. Even though his own bishop seems to have no problem with him, the United States Conference Of Catholic Bishops roundly criticized his budget proposal for neglecting the poor.

Oh yeah, cut housing assistance, medicaid, medicare, social security, food stamps, energy assistance, etc.
chelleandlou he dont want to cut these programs he wants to eliminate them so the rich dont have to pay any taxes? That is what this mainly is about cutting the taxes on the rich.

Excellent comments CHELLEANDLOU on the "clueless" Paul Ryan. You will have to also add RETIREDAIRFORCE ((The Walter Mitty of the Air Force that is....lol))to your list of being clueless. Spending over $700.00 on two expensive bottles of wine makes his message a big joke.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/...

Middle America is angry with Paul Ryan at his listening sessions. His plan is a big joke!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIOeCN_Dt...

“When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a communist.” Dom Hélder Pessoa Câmara, Archbishop of Olinda and Recife, also known as the ‘Bishop of Corum’

They will fit right in with the other activists that follow him around.

mr kennedy, thank you for your fouled mouth comments!

The group NETWORK is part of a conference that has 1,500 members representing more than 80% of the 57,000 women religious in the United States. The group represents the majority of nuns who work in education, healthcare, religious education and social services. These are Obama's socialist scum alright.

The Bible never promoted hand-outs to those who could work. As far back as the OT Law God commanded that farmers should leave the edges of their fields unharvested so that the poor could go out and harvest it for themselves. He did not tell the farmer to harvest it and give it to them. Charity was meant for those severe cases where a person could not work and had no family to help them and even then it wasn't the government's job.

Don't mess with nuns, Paul.
They are ten times tougher
than you will ever be.

On another note:

Whose side is the lord on in the dispute between the nuns and the Vatican?

"The Nuns on the Bus tour is visiting ......" ???

Paul Ryan is clueless. Maybe he should actually try talking to those living in poverty the young, unemployed, and elderly. I think he should talk to the more than 500 kids in the area that are homeless! Social Programs he wants to cut and every administration at the state and federal level continues to cut *especially housing* are what force these kids into homelessness. There's little if any assistance to help these people pay rent and utilities.

I'd like to know what Ryan's proposal is to "create more opportunity so the poor can help themselves" and just what HE assumes the solution to be. Oh yeah, cut housing assistance, medicaid, medicare, social security, food stamps, energy assistance, etc. The problem isn't the programs, the problem is no one cares about the less fortunate. Not every person living in poverty is uneducated, drug addict, alcoholic, never worked a day in their life, baby maker. Maybe if society didn't define success and worth by the almighty "he with the most and biggest toys wins" and started living LIFE instead there would be less strain and drain on citizens leading to drug/alcohol abuse, crime, etc. What's costing the nation most is crime and those living off the taxpayer in local, state, and federal prisons. They might be locked up but they get free housing, healthcare, education, meals, and have ZERO liability other than their freedom. They have shelter and a bed to sleep on. They have more opportunity IN lock up than the homeless children in Paul Ryan's home town. Yes, he should be proud to say lets cut, cut, cut....maybe he should re-evaluate what needs to be cut. Elected officials salaries, expense accounts,benefits, all lifetime benefits with the exception of secret service for former presidents; Start the cuts with the top 1% its time Paul Ryan and his cronies pay their fair share.

WELCOME sisters, I hope that everyone has the oppertunity to HEAR what they have to share.