It sounds somewhat of the usually political machine that is disassociating with the investment system due to the continual lack of education and the foundations of what investments are all about,then the issue will never get resolved.
Until the Politics are taken out of the equation..of Either Or,and the business of Wall Streets investors are looked at a little more seriously,then the issue will never get resolved.
Obviously the unprofessional theatrics of politics ,the occupational fluctuation and the euphoria of intellect in these matters has by far subdued the mind set into complete confusion That somehow the agenda of energy can only be one or the other.
People need to wake up and see that the Political machine is far gone on both sides and that there lack of understanding of what is really going on in the energy world is overburdened with their definition and misuse of the word,"Power".
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If it is the word belief that has your attention to the religiosity of the quote,then just exactly what other word in the article DOESN'T indicate some form of religious connection that would keep you involved in the topic.

Don't knock raystone.

Well, Janesville certainly has the reputation now as the home of the Wisconsin loon.

;~)

Gazettefan - nicely played :)

It looks like raystone has talked himself into not being to comment on this story anymore.

Watch.

Encouragement by an NGO working with a government agency (DNR) using a program developed and practiced in a foreign country designed to "guide" you to reach a predetermined consensus calmly and without question, orchestrated by said regulatory body, is the easiest way to govern without alerting the populace of nefarious activity. Practices like these are well documented in historical publications. Perhaps, we only have to look to modern day Europe to see how well it has served the rank and file populations who are now on the brink of collapse. It is right to question and deliberate independently, but to follow a dogmatic ideology without question designed by "consensus" but orchestrated by the ideological entity who wishes the general population to comply, could be folly.

Gazettefan is determined to get the last word in. Watch this.

The word "encourage" should discourage your skepticism.

It's taken a couple of days but I read some of the documentation at the Green Tier site. It is a thread throughout this documentation which disturbs me that "encourages" the use of businesses who meet at least the minimum cirteria for Green Tier in the supply chain. Green Tier Legacy Communities also "encourages" this same practice in the community. Green Tier will "guide" the city in its decisions and so will the DNR. The DNR will help get grants to perform some of these "improvements". The grant may or may not be given and the taxpayers will be on the hook? The data bases are extensive, even counting the trees. Ms. Sukup from the DNR (according to the video) will also "guide" the city to make decisions. We already have regulation from the EPA and the DNR. We are already an Eco Municipality. Why do we need an entity like 1000 Friends of Wisconsin and the DNR to help us spend money we don't have and to write up our city plan? I think that we can be reasonably certain that we, the taxpayer will bear the brunt of all the additional taxes incurred, as well as the budget and the "encouragement" could certainly limit our choices as all those businesses who cannot meet the criteria are drummed out of business because they are not within the "supply chain" of sustainability and cannot afford to bear the Green Tier logo in their advertising materials. I don't see how this would help us retain the business communtiy we have left in the city, especially those who are operating on a week to week basis. The cities who sign on are also "encouraged" to print and distribute brochures, etc. as well as provide education for the community and in schools which adheres to the Natural Step Program and is designed to create a "consensus". 1000 Friends of Wisconsin recommends this and it is also self limiting by "consensus". I think we've done pretty well without them and we are operating in an economic downturn but still doing OK. We are getting a brand new fleet of trash trucks for which we will be taxed. I think we have as much regulation as we can afford and cannot see the benefit vs. cost of joining this new group and self-imposing more regulations on ourselves. The overall thread is that we will be taught to self regulate and eliminate those bad "actors" who don't comply.

Is that the case with all your friendly relations? And are all contracts bad, including the ones you're a party of?

Friendly Relations = Agreements
Entanglements = Contracts

Of course "Bavaria" opens the door for Hitler to be involved in this. He wanted to take over the world. He's getting on in years, though, down there in South America.

Sometimes paranoia is very complex. The plots are elaborate. Helps to make it more believable for some people.

Green Tier was piloted in the mid-1990s under Governor Thompson after he established a formal relationship with the German State of Bavaria. The relationship, billed as an exchange on how to unite environmental agendas with business, was actually a one-way teaching arrangement, with Bavaria as teacher. If one reads Governor Thompson's official remarks on the relationship, one quickly finds that it involved the advancement of not just "sustainable development" but also international law. This info is easily verifiable on the Wisconsin DNR website. All anyone has to do is spend a few minutes of research to find Green Tier's origins and how it relates to Smart Growth, mandated in 1999.

The principles that were adopted in the program are from the Coalition for Environmentally Responsible Economies, or CERES. This is an organization that works on the investor side of business to push "sustainable development" and "social equity." A little research reveals their close ties to the U.N.

Janesville citizens do not want Green Tier 63% to 36%.
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http://wclo.com/polls/2012/jun/green-tie...

True, and paranoia is not a healthy distrust.

And the Founding Fathers had no problem with friendly relations with other nations.

A healthy distrust of the UN is not paronoia.
Didn't our founding fathers warn against entanglements with other nations?

To the paranoids: Your ability to think beyond your paranoia has been co-opted by your manipulators. It is you who are being duped. You have been duped into alienation from reality. Your need to have a low opinion of people in general has been thoroughly massaged. Congratulations.

raystone, clean the fly specks off your computer screen.

lovemycountry, show how such a ban is part of a plot by the UN to overthrow our Constitution. Also, your examples aren't in conflict with such a ban.

norseman - you can buy an original thought at the library for a dollar. Just an FYI.

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

While I have not fully formed an opinion on this issue I have found 2 things of concern in this article.
1- To assume that the UN is inept in every area is naive.
2- That this green tier program is tied to the UN, yet we are assured of local control.

Ban on Idling
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For anyone who keeps their vehicle running in a parking lot or bank drive-through to keep warm in the winter, here's a Green Tier strategy you may want to be aware of: "Ban idling (more than 5 minutes) community-wide." Banning idling is a sample of the strategies that are slated for future ordinance development and implementation. All of these strategies are listed at the end of the Green Tier annual reports. http://www.lwm-info.org/vertical/sites/%...

Wow, there are certainly a lot of uninformed people in Janesville. And instead of becoming more knowledgeable about this issue, they put down the people that care enough to do the research. While most of this country is still oblivious and in a fog of indifference, watching reality television and absorbed in their facebook accounts, thank God there are people that are learning about what the government is doing and trying to stop them from making grave mistakes. These brave people that stood up and made their voices heard are in good company...there were only 3% of this country awake and willing to take on the task of freeing our country in the revolution.
Veritas vos liberabit
The truth will make you free

This article just reeks of city bureaucrats trying to shove their agenda down our throats because they're not getting their way. This is probably the least interest news story one could possibly imagine - no way the Gazette decided to run this on their own. This is nothing more than a political advertisement and its a joke.

So far, I've read 15 reasons why Green Tier is a bad idea, and 0 reasons why it's a good idea. A total of 6 people in the city out of 60,000 have been pushing Green Tier to the City Council. Something is wrong with the process.

Paranoia has a new definition.

Time to get out the tinfoil hats tea people! There coming for you muhahahaha

lovemy......., when UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon (not to be confused with B'moon) starts beating the crap out of people on Main St, expect more concern from the city council.

What's most troubling is that the City Council has spent more time discussing Quotes, a bar, than they have discussing entering into a 3 year contract involving more DNR oversight, unknown city staff time, and with greater obligation to state statutes.

raystone, how does being a normal human being make Hulick culpable in a plot to overthrow the Constitution?

westorbust, yes, there are actually people who believe in ET visitations and all that other crap. This sort of thing is not new, though. It's only a continuation of when people believed in demons and leprechauns. But the believers in ETs think that the believers in demons and leprechauns were crazy.

Yes, Area 51 has alien bodies, chemtrail programs are poisoning us, FEMA is buying millions of body bags, yada, yada yada. Paranoid fantasies can be destructive. The UN has no jurisdiction and most of it's "laws" are non-binding.
Furthermore, for you Tea Party yahoos: " The Green Tier program was created in 2004 with input from environmentalists as well as business groups to help business pursue greener practices. Gov. Scott Walker recently praised it for aiding "voluntary collaboration … to yield environmental and economic gains."
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You're buddy Scott Walker is all on board.

gazettefan - Every government bureaucrat brings their personal agenda and bias into their position, especially when they have some influence over others. For Hulick, he indicated he has had a long time interest in sustainability, as expressed in an earlier interview.

What did Hulick know, and when did he know it?

truecitizen, your paradox nailed it. The fearmongering chicken littles that push for more regulations thus more control over themselves are pulling us all into the abyss. They ask, "Don't you want to save the planet???"
The answer is yes, we'd very much like to save the planet... from collectivism AKA communism!

Going green is a joke/scam. It is just a man made invention of a problem so we can collect money to fix it all while lining peoples pockets with a certain percentage of it. When super volcanoes erupted long ago we didnt have a green tier program.... all came out ok.

truecitizen, the anti-Green Tier people at the city council meeting did not just happen to go there on their own. Those people are composed of and are the result of some chaos mongering paranoids emanating out of Jefferson.

If there was anything substantially sane about their message they would have garnered tens of thousands of adherents by now (this counters your disparaging remarks about people who haven't jumped on board this ideological train wreck). As it is, they've only attracted a few people who are prone to paranoid ideas. Of the people I personally know who are part of that group and who attended that meeting all have paranoid ideas.

As a matter of fact, they have what I call Lee Harvey Oswald syndrome. They have what they claim to be lofty civilization-saving ideas at the same time they lack the skills or the philosophical appeal to organize others.

gondolph: Where in my post did I say that the un "owns" the national parks and monuments?????? Wait I didn't I said they control them. Big Differance between the 2! Go back to school and try to learn and comprehend things!

The people who are in support or are pushing for these (mandated) initiatives....are equally unable to define it or refute those who appose it. I would not have an argument myself if this thing did not cost me money or restrict me in anyway. To simply lash out at those who you say are lashing out indiscriminately, is simply reciprocity. Back on topic...these initiatives are not needed and will restrict individual freedoms, in our state and this country as a whole. It will not help mother earth as you think it will, and it will affect local economies negatively.
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I wish to point out a paradox or a contradiction. The supporters of these types of green-initiatives claim that the opponents are acting like chicken littles "the sky is falling" etc etc. But isn't that what THEY are doing by pushing for green-initiative in the first place? So much so that they formed committees, use tax payer money and place rules and regulations on people. There is constantly a disparity being implied when there wasn't a problem in the first place. So you the green-tier, are the chicken littles!
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I mean, again, why is this happening in the name of greater good? It hurts business and restricts freedoms while costing the tax payers and basically mother earth is no better for the wear in the end anyway.

The UN has been buying farmland in the back ground. DVD Shadow Government is a good one. Joan Veon has some info about UN, I don't trust or like the UN in any shape or form. Also good read is "Diplomatic Divorce", It will inform.

Okay listen....why is this thing happening? It is tripe! People are saying NO. This is fluff. It is going to cost me money. It is going to lead to rules and regulations which harm us in the end anyway. (Our weak production and currency will lead to ecological and social disasters) People have been coming out against this on their own accord right? This 'green' issue has been sneaking into our lives not as a good thinking option, but as a restrictive mandate using my money right? Just think of how many people would be suspicious and resistant if more knew what was happening. People just drive around and live their lives assuming it will never change. Until they wake up one day and our nanny-state has stabbed us in the back.
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I live a very 'green' life and I choose to do so without big brother coming up with a mandate and costing inefficient amounts of money to do it. I stand by my belief that this is an attack on our freedom in the name of so-called 'good' This is part of the beginning.

I should add that my remark about Al Lembrick is relevant here. The piece he wrote in the paper was a response to when he spoke during Green Tier city council meeting.

truecitizen, disgruntlement with how tax revenues are used is eternal. Tying that disgruntlement to the UN is new.

Look everyone wants to be good to mother earth! But, for you to tell me that there is not a subversive push taking place and it's just crazy conspiracy is itself crazy. The rules are being put in place-why? Gazette fan asks what rights have I lost. First I want to remind you these things are happening quietly at first otherwise it wouldn't be a sneak attack, as everyone would run from it or guard themselves. My first direct answer is----my dollar is being taken away! It is worth less than before, it is being used for things I don't want it to be used for, it is used to restrict where I go and what I do. EPA, GSA, DNR, dare I say Green-initiatives, land is being sealed up, I can't take a step without some code or rule or tax. It has been creeping into daily lives so much we have just accepted it.
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Now, what about insurances, retirement, religion etc. There is an attack on all of this. Very little of it is representative of what I or my friends and family want. And all in the name of recycling?! What! This is stupid! I do not want some fluffy-tastic, nanny-state big bureaucracy-loving group telling me how to live my life and drive my car. I did not deserve this. I want America to stay free.
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It starts with things like MANDATORY initiatives and being told I have to make purchases. If we forget what got us to the freedoms we have enjoyed, we will be forced to relive the past and we will lose those freedoms.
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It is happening. No matter how you slice it. The smaller groups are making all of the decisions right now and not as a representative to the common wealth.
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What if I and some others are correct. What will happen next? Sounds off the wall, but it is not. We are just letting it happen. Pathetic.

Al Lembricks (not Paul Lembrick) piece in the paper was hypocritical. On JATV, over the years, he's continually insulted city employes and elected officials. But when a little of it goes back his way, he complains.

In spite of people trying to make this into a partisan issue, it is not. Amy Loudenbeck, the "Republican" state assemblyperson in the 45th district sits on the board of Green Tier. On March 23, 2012, Gov. Walker signed Executive Order 69 "which directs the Department of Natural Resources (DNR) to enhance its already existing Green Tier program to meet both environmental and economic development goals."
This agenda is being put through by both sides of the coin either through "sustainability" (generally attributed to democrats) or through
"smart growth" or public-private partnerships, which is generally attributed to republicans.

The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Remember that old story? That's exactly what so many of you sound like. Common sense please! There's no way a non-binding agreement the city signs into will prevent you from saying the pledge of allegiance (even though I bet you would revolt against that if you were told you had to say it) or any other task our city does.

Hey, Ted, there's a bridge up ahead. Keep your eyes on the road.

moderate.., thanks for adding absolutely nothing.

Anybody got any new info on Hulick?

1. No consultant should be paid with taxpayer money - at the very least that recommendation from Mr Hulick should be rejected..

2. Councilman Farrell needs to learn respect for law abiding tax paying citizens. His insults to others is ironic considering he supported making the taxpayers pay for a recall costing $20,000,000.

Does this organization promote Snake Oil?

raystone, if you think you're on to something big about Hulick, type it without the links. This could be crucial, very crucial.

If it's true Al Hulick didn't know about Agenda 21 in 2011, maybe he researched the Green Tier - international connection when he attended a meeting http://www.lwm-info.org/vertical/sites/%... with an ICLEI representative in March of this year. ICLEI advocates for Agenda 21 according to their website: http://www.iclei.org/index.php?id=global...

How about Republicans in Michigan
abolishing local governments
and establishing state control
with an "emergency manager"?

No, it would be considered not paranoid.

I love these conservatives preaching about local control and individual voices, but have no problem supporting ALEC pushing it's national social agenda on the rest of us. Would that be considered a hypocrite?

Expenses incurred to protect the environment do not equate to an over-throw of the Constitution.

"People realize their voices are being lost for a so-called greater good. So much for the Constitution of the United States."
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TrueCitizen, you must agree with the progressives wanting to over-turn Citizens United. Do you????

The bottom line is Green Tier would, if enacted, increase costs for Janesville citizens.
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Green Tier in Middleton led to a $42,000 purchase approval of electric vehicles. http://www.lwm-info.org/vertical/sites/%...
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In Appleton, refuse fees on 35, 60, 90 gallon refuse containers are targeted to be raised on citizens with Green Tier. http://www.lwm-info.org/vertical/sites/%...
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Many capital projects, ongoing expense for city taxpayers.

Hulick could have said that the anti-Green Tier people are deliberately lying or that they're just plain crazy. He tactfully chose the latter.

"Those folks believe they're doing the right thing," Hulick said.

fd......, tapping into the paranoia of others is an attempt to control others. That's what's going on with this anti-Green Tier stuff. It appeals to people with disordered minds who are perversely struggling for some sense of order.

Gandalf, there are Sheep, and then there are Sheep Dogs. Apparently, you are of the latter, and will, willingly be lead to slaughter. Or, you can wake up and become a Sheep dog!!

Kimmmm, I agree entirely with your last comment. We already have the plan, set down by our Founding Fathers. It is under attack by those who want to take us down. Fight back people! We are on a precipice. Vote in November to remove the progressives from our governments.

Afraid of the UN?
Some of you should be afraid of yourselves.

Oh by the way, The Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism, authors of this article, and Public Radio/TV, are far left, progressive agencies, funded in large part by George Soros, a staunch advocate for One World Government, with a socialist agenda he calls Open Society. As I mentioned in my last post, Soros is heavily involved with the U.N. People, know who you are dealing with before you deal with them. As I write this, the U.N. is doing a final draft of a small arms treaty that will effectively, if signed on by the U.S., will make our Constitution null and void. It will lead to the un-arming of the US, the first step to removing resistance from the people, to taking control. Obama and Hillary Clinton have agreed to sign this treaty. Look for Obama to find a way to circumvent the Senate's ratification of it. This must not happen! Will lose our sovereigncy as a nation.

tom3205, The population is in decline and has been. The sensationalist stories about the population doubling are more propaganda to implement total control over every aspect of our lives. Fear is their greatest weapon. Al-Queda, Climate Change, the list goes on and on.
The "plan", was laid down in the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights. We don't need the UN to craft a plan for us, we need our elected officials to FOLLOW OUR OWN PLAN.

Does anyone else hear the theme song for the twilight zone?

What about the windmills?

Listen up people! The U.N. has been hijacked by the likes of George Soros and his gang. It panders to socialist/communist/dictatorship counties such as Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Russia, China, etc. Are these the kind of people you want calling shots in the U.S.? I am all for conservation, but not for this radical so called "environmental", green agenda crap! There is a big difference between conservation and radical environmental movements. Furthermore, there is a process in nature called homeostasis, this process seeks to keep the earth in balance. Don't worry about population growth, nature will take of this all on its own. Don't mess with Mother Nature!!!

How many of you realize that the US does not control many of our nation parks and monuments, but the UN does and have been for decades!
http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA341.htm...
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thre...

Time is past due to get The US out of the un and the un out of the US!!!!!!!!!

Now that that idea's out there, some people will start believing it.

Hey, how come nobody's mentioned how the wind farms are messing up the climate?!!! LOL

truecitizen, what rights have you lost?

tom, next time you're in an airplane look out the window. Humans are only using a fraction of one percent of the land. Clear thinking is what we should be working on.

Rampant paranoia seems to have taken hold amongst some of us. Please get a grip on reality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnA...

Have any of you even given a "Thought" about what it will be like when our population doubles to over 600 millions, by mid century. 600 million, all cherishing freedom to do what they want, when they want, where they want ,,etc. etc.. We can't even decide on sidewalks, how are 600 million going to make decisions, when half want "this", and half "don't"..The land between the oceans, Canada & Mexico, is "fixed", the population is "variable". Each time the population doubles, the land per person gets cut in HALF. Our "elbow room" gets cut in half. So our freedoms also get cut in half. How does one "control the mob", of 600 million ?? Where is your "vision" ? What's in store for us.?

poorrichard....If you are going to use my name you sniveling coward, at least spell it correctly...Griffin. I see you are one of the many without the courage to take ownership of your words with your name. You are the worst kind of coward...a big mouth quick to attack others verbally, but doesn't want anyone to know who he is. What are you afraid of? No stones?!
Michael C. Griffin

imjustsaying-You are absolutely correct. I knew that when I wrote it.

"To have people arguing for more space and accommodations for bicyclist (sic) is hardly a bad thing."
germancavebear, PEOPLE can work out any issue. We don't need UN or government or some non governmental agency to mandate more rules and regulations to solve our logistics and give away more of our freedoms as a result.

@ GermanCaveGuy -

I apologize, I just noticed I need to rephrase a passage:
"Infill Development is the preferred method of choice to combat 'urban sprawl' in the Green Tier Legacy Communities charter, of which is currently being considered..."
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Should read: "Infill Development is the preferred method of choice to combat 'urban sprawl' in Green Tier's Legacy Communities, the charter of which is currently being considered..."

the U N is not your friend...
read their paper on the worldwide elimination of "small arms" plan sometime...
these "kookballs" might just be right..

@ GermanCaveGuy -

As far as the issues of the anti-Agenda 21/Smart Growth/Green Tier holding no water, Agenda 21 for one, was developed through the United Nations. As a sovereign nation, we should look to any solution offered by the United Nations, if not with immediate disdain and fervor to strike it down, with enough underlying suspicion to communicate with their messenger through the crack under a closed door.
As far as sustainable development itself, this is increasingly becoming a nanny state that we, as a nation, live, and sustainable development as a whole, is further incursion of it upon us.
For more info, check out 'Infill Development', a faction of sustainable development-based living here:
http://www.kzoo.edu/convene/clearinghous...
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Infill Development in NYC:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/the_l...
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...and 'Infill Development' taken to the next level, here:
http://www.evolo.us/competition/flat-tow...
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Infill Development is the preferred method of choice to combat 'urban sprawl' in the Green Tier Legacy Communities charter, of which is currently being considered by Janesville's City Council:
http://greentiercommunities.org/?page_id...
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I think about the environment in which I live, and do what I can to conscientiously live within my environmental means. But it's one thing to have the force-fed dogma of 'sustainable development' telling me how to live. It's another to actually live sustainably on my own accord:
http://www.small-farm-permaculture-and-s...

@GermanCaveGuy

"Much of what you have been stating would be akin to me claiming that the whole war on drugs was a big conspiracy to drive people toward the pharmaceutical companies products."

This actually is correct, but not in this framework. What is being done is a suppression/lack of recognition of alternate/homeopathic forms of treatment...This was a movement pushed forth back in the day by John D. Rockefeller to further advance the breadth of his monopolistic arms:

http://educate-yourself.org/fc/

You can read the 1910 report, 'Medical Education in the United States and Canada' by Abraham Flexner, who was enlisted by Rockefeller to essentially come up with a plan/backdrop to use to indoctrinate those entering the medical field and push onto the populace, here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=3ScJAAA...

This was done under the guise to streamline the medical profession, so that everyone had the same expertise in the field, no matter where you go.
Sounds good on paper, but not so good when you got one rich blowhard strong-arming it through for his own self-interests.

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John D. Rockefeller...if there ever was a man who looked like his soul left him 30 years before his body expired, it's that guy.
I wouldn't be surprised if Satan himself asked him for advice once or twice.

Much of the problem here seems to be the logic behind the arguments being made. At least that is my issue with this article.

Honestly, for those of you who are on-board with this anti-Agenda 21 movement, can you not see the fault in the claims. Much of what you have been stating would be akin to me claiming that the whole war on drugs was a big conspiracy to drive people toward the pharmaceutical companies products. I could even back up my claim by showing the uptick in the purchase of pills.

Yet, I would also have to ignore every other development and trend in medicine to believe my own words. And that is just what is happening here.

Paul Lembrich's comments match the anti-United Nations wording found on the anti-public education fliers a couple months ago.

http://gazettextra.com/news/2012/may/22/...

The radicalism in this city council incident match the radicalism found in those fliers. Can anyone confirm or disprove this connection?

Kimmmm -- I read the page that you posted a link for. This happens to contain the same hyperbole filled rhetoric that I was writing about earlier. One of the things that illustrates this best is the paragraphs regarding bikes.

The notion that seeking to persuade those that live in the suburbs to relocate to the cities, while simultaneously seeking to reduce the usage of automobiles in favor of cars, is somehow a terrible thing puzzles me. Cities are not a new thing. Suburban living however is.

The reason for the large movement toward suburbia was because of the lifestyle it portrayed. Comfortable living away from the noise and crime found in cities drove many people to move into these areas. Yet, the consequences were costly commutes that took longer and a loss of the conveniences available previously. Yet, for some reason the author tries to blame every problem associated with rural/suburban living on groups that advocate against it. In actuality, these groups are only pointing out the obvious when stating that living in can often be the better choice.

As far as the bike argument, it is quite preposterous. To have people arguing for more space and accommodations for bicyclist is hardly a bad thing. Sure, cars might be the dominant form of transportation. Yet, the notion that motorist shouldn't have to give up a parking space here and there is just ridiculous. Imagine if tanks became the way some people get around. I'm sure that there would be people advocating for a parking space here and there when all the spaces were designated for tanks.

truecitizen -- You write as if there are no problems associated with the efforts of these groups. If your stance is simply that those seeking to work together on these issues are only doing so as a means to complete a more devious scheme, I think there is little I could say to change your view. I'm no fan big of the U.N. Yet, I don't disagree with all of the view points simply because I disagree with some of them.

The way I see it, much of these efforts are about trying to limit the amount of waste that occurs using the present approaches. Sure, for those that gravitate toward the solutions, (i.e. alternative transportation, energy, food, and housing) they may be giving up something others see value in. Yet, this means that those things of value are now more abundant.

I'm a proponent of many of the 'green' alternatives. Sometimes, simply because they are things that I would embrace. Yet, there are times I would like to see others utilize them because I know it would keep the resources available.

I read this article twice and couldn't find where it even said what "Agenda 21" is.

NVgrf...I have watched the UN and it's so-called actions and effects for years. They have a horrible track record. They are very picky about where they enforce "peace" and how they do it. They are easily swayed by real threats and they have become a 'global' initiative for other purposes such as breaking down old establishments for the purpose of future good. You need to educate yourself. The UN is responsible for more death in some African nations by in-action when present, than they have prevented death-just for one.

It is not so unbelievable when you consider how multifaceted these maneuvers and changes have been. There are little attacks taking place all over this nation including media, and focusing on municipal rulings. I ask again, why are these changes needed then if they are not part of a bigger agenda? Green-tier is just as self-trumpeted as those who oppose it. It's always sold as sales-pitched buzz words being used by the progressives. I hope people come to their senses as we are losing our representation and voices.....

Kimmmm is correct. These people are doing this. I always thought of them as 'evil Robbin-hoods'.
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This is by no means a 'viral phenomenon'. People realize their voices are being lost for a so-called greater good. So much for the Constitution of the United States.

The boogieman by any other name is still the boogieman.

germancaveguy...Why do people need to introduce a "focused effort" to offset these types of initiatives? What the hell brought these changes in the first place? That in itself suggests to me there is something going on. It starts with infrastructure, economy, etc. It does not have to be obviously connected in order to do harm later on. (And all allegedly in the name of "progressive good") Just look at the rules which take our energy sources and land away from the people. Do you not see it!?

germancaveguy, your comment excellently summarizes the whole thing.

How this whole anti-Green Tier thing got started and energized is a spectacle of viral paranoia. A sad accident of certain personality types all falling in a row is required for this very bizarre phenomenon.

germancaveguy, read their documents! Those in opposition to Green Tier and all the other manifestations of Agenda 21 do not take anything on assumption.
At the 1992 Rio summit, Maurice Strong, the Secretary-General of the Earth Summit made the following statement during his opening speech at the conference:
"Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class - involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, air-conditioning, and suburban housing - are not sustainable. A shift is necessary which will require a vast strengthening of the multilateral system, including the United Nations."

Here is a good website to start learning:
http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.co...

Mr. Lembrich you are correct and thank you for speaking the truth! We need to speak out against this socialism that is trying to take hold. Our country doesn't need it anyway!

"Those folks believe they're doing the right thing," Hulick said
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That is precisely what is driving the people who unfortunately believe in these changes . Hulick, these people are exhibiting apt responses to an otherwise outrageous take over of our freedoms. They are not mislead-you are.

Brian Ohm, a UW-Madison professor of urban and regional planning, said anti-Agenda 21 activists are "unfocused on what they're attacking, other than government in general."
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He has fallen in line with the lie. If the people who pushed for this agenda 21 were honest about their ultimate goal, would they receive following? -No, and they might believe in a better world, but with a subversive method.
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These changes, if not struck down, will also affect our economy weakening it, and eventually (then) everyone would be forced to be on board with the 'change'. This is part of the end results of these "baby steps".

The UN is meeting right now in New York City trying to put through a global arms treaty. Do not underestimate them. They are neither good nor peacekeeping. Their idea of peacekeeping is confiscating our weapons so we cannot offer any resistance to their global tyranny.

The sad thing about the opposition to Agenda 21, and the linking of it to the Green Tier program, is the odd conclusions being made. To get to the many points being made, one must look at things in such a perverse way that it almost completely defies logic. While there are many valid arguments to opposing the U.N., much of the comments being made by these groups are just plain absurd.

For instance, the argument that initiatives like these are working to huddle people into a few urban centers makes a big leap. It is well known that cities offer more efficiency than if we were all spread out. Because of this fact, many people (including the U.N.) seek to maximize this benefit by advocating for strategic growth of these areas. Yet, there are people that take that as a push for concentrating everyone into just a few massive cities.

Another interesting thing being opposed is the issue of bicycles and other alternative transportation. Because these initiatives seek to make commuting by bicycle (or other public transportation) easier, there are people that perceive this as a threat to them. It is as if they think that someone else riding their bike or the bus is going to mean they have to as well.

I could go on, but the same point would be made each time. These groups speak out with the assertion that organizations working toward more sustainable practices will ultimately be a rouse to gain control over their lives. Plain and simple, they are arguing that changing the status quo will open the floodgates to adverse change. Yet, without offering an alternative to what is being proposed, the complaints are nothing more than just that.

If these people want to keep programs like this from being adopted, they need to create a focused effort. Simply stating that everything about it is wrong, while ignoring the problems that need to be addressed, will amount to little more than negative chatter; no matter how loud that chatter is.

"I don't think the U.N. could organize an escape route out of a brown paper sack, let alone a giant global conspiracy to usurp the power of sovereign governments," wrote Monona resident Sunny Schubert, columnist for the local Herald-Independent newspaper, after anti-Agenda 21 activists attacked a Green Tier program there.
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Wrong...this is being done far up in the ranks so that even the people pushing for these types of things are not directly involved in the subversive action. We are having our American institution attacked. We need to recognize it. By the way, why does the government need these types of initiatives anyway? I hope people read closely into this and other types of maneuvers. It's only educating yourself, and no one can argue with that.
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Resist this people. Also, The "activists" are the ones who began this green-tier stuff, those responding are real Americans with concerns. Lets get that straight.

I am amazed that the fear one little program that is back my Gov Walker can produce.

The UN is using concern about the environment to implement agenda 21. It is a trojan horse. It is perfectly desirable to be diligent about maintaining clean water and clean air, but that is not what this is about. All of the non-governmental agencies have been enlisted to take land away from the people in schemes like land conservation easements and historical preservation. Think about it! Every single city and rural area in the United States has historical significance to somebody. Should the government take all land use away from Americans and preserve everything? For what? And for whom?
People in local government and the media need only do a little research to find the facts of the matter.
The areas already “rewilded” in the West are fire hazards. The people are better stewards of the land than any government or non-governmental entity. This is a shameless attack on property rights in this country and must be stopped in each locality.

There is very little on the City of Janesville Website - nothing from the council. Checking this morning there are no agenda materials since 2010. The Sustainability Committee has a little material. The first thing that stood out was the fact that Janesville would have to hire a consultant to put the program together. If this issue is so important to Janesville, the duties should be carved out of existing jobs. Another expense for a consultant is not justified. By the way, the state websites do show the program as inspired by the United Nations.

poorrichard - Your comment doesn't add anything to the conversation, and it's pretty irresponsible, too IMO.
I'm just sayin'...

George Soros is pushing it, that should speak volumes.

The TEA NUTS are out early this year.

I'll have to admit that I don't know all the details to this. But, something the UN is trying to do in the midwestern city of Janesville WI. just seems suspect to me. I don't see a reward for the city. There is something written about a threat to people, I really hope there is not a threat to Janesville residents!

So the Gazette is publishing garbage written by ultra lefty, biased BILL LUEDERS and the Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism ? What's next, giving Rush Limbaugh the front page ?

Humans are only temporary residents on earth. We need to preserve our earth for future generations. You don't own your house. If you did, you wouldn't be paying property tax. Stop listening to the cacophany of noise coming from mis-informed religious n

On word for all you folks - "black helicopters." (Oops, that's two...and here they come now!)

Let me just say before they take me away that we have nothing to fear, but fear itself - and the New World Order, and spiders...and drought (which is no doubt being caused by the UN's Agenda 21)!

Amazing! The paranoia really does strike deep.

This has nothing to do with the UN. If the UN suggests you recycle, and you recycle, what does that gain the UN? If you don't recycle, because you hate the UN, what does that gain you? Other than making you look like an ignorant yahoo, that is. If that's what you want, well, go ahead.

The paranoid loonies abound. I think these folks should research the amount of good that the United Nations has done on our planet. Not only in the area of peacekeeping, but in easing human suffering around our planet. They hear Hannity, Limbaugh and the other goofies and fall into line like sheep. DO SOME RESEARCH! BECOME BETTER EDUCATED!