Well I dont live on these blogs and i am sure this will go unread, however again I will post. Most that criticized my post did not even get to the meat of the post. Again you look for the snippett and go with that. What do we feel about our local goverment? Is it performing up to what the standard should be? Would we rather spend our energy chasing barns that need to be torn down, or skate parks that are placed in the wrong place for starters, and bridges for bike paths that need not be? What is it you folks expect from your city counsil? I ask but will you answer?

SarahB1, we got better. Doyle is a thief, Walker is a restorer.

My favorite quote (so far) from Walker. He was referring to former-Gov. Doyle and an aide who was facing charges that were later dropped: " ... "Unfortunately, we have a Governor and administration that condones unethical and illegal behavior," Walker said in a statement on Jan. 24, 2006. "The people of Wisconsin deserve better."

Glad to see that 40 people were here and that should be the basis for change. Everyone needs to quit wondering what the government is going to do for them,a dn start wondering what they will do for themselves.
Public schools, are a product of parents not working with their own children, and expecting the teachers to be responsible for the education. Until this is comprehended, public schools will not be better. I am wondering how much better our schools were under a democrat govenor, cause the test scores haven't changed reguardless how much you pay the teachers, or put into education. I have talked to many people who think that because they pay a teacher, they shouldn't have to do anything to develop thier childrens minds. those people are crazy and are the cause of todays society.
If you want to improve things for teachers, be a good parent.

This years' event will be called the dash to detroit.

The winners of last years' clocktower marathon include runners: Chris Larson, Dave Hansen, Fred Risser, Jim Holperin, Joe Erpenbach, Julie Lassa, Kathleen Vinehout, Lena Taylor, Mark Miller, Robert Jaunch, Robert Wirch, Spencer Coggs, Tim Carpenter, Timothy Cullen

totellthetruth: GM, not the unions, shut down the Janesville plant.

SarahB1, unions good at protecting. How did that work out for the GM workers here in Janesville. The good and bad workers got the shaft from the union? Unions have outlived their usefulness in the United States.

bebe: Unions are also good at protecting workers that give their all, show up for work every scheduled day, volunteer for extra projects, believe in and help build and/or maintain teamwork, carry a positive attitude, and love their jobs. You keep forgetting to mention that.

wow vato all over the place on that one. So you are supposed to be some riteous capitalist, and criticize a parent for taking ther kid to a ball game because the beloved free-market has allowed professional atheletes to become rich beynd their wildest dreams. Isnt that the epidemy of the American dream? Work hard and prosper? Or do you just hate them because of the union? Because they make nice salaries and the owners cannot stomp on their necks and make more billions on their HARD WORK!! Tryinto figure your angle today. Kinda thinking you missed a pill today, go look at the first T on the box.:)

Fear

We don't care about education.....however, when someone suggests to modify Medicare or cut aspects of it, people get all bent out of shape like its life or death but we don't think about education like that.....

I agree.....

Xbox, Facebook, Twitter, Jersey Shore, pregnant at 15, reality shows, etc are teaching our kids these days....pretty sad........

No fear I don't think WEAC is getting all the money I get frustrated with all the bureaucracy in education...i agree with you, parents and teachers should be spearding efforts in education reform.......you can really tell during parent teacher conferences that many patents neglect their duty to become involved in education....but boy oh boy these same parents won't hold back in supporting high paid athletes by going to the ball park and dropping hundreds of dollars...

Vato I dont have a contract. I am not a teacher. Your contention is that our kids are all failing , mine is that they are not. Whatever happened to accountability? If we could get a majority of parents/families to participatre WITH the teachers our system would be the class of the planet. The problem is that we have lazy parents in this nation, , THAT is where I place my blame.
I have 3 boys who all excel in school, and yes I am extremely involved in their lives in every facet. THAT is the key to kids succeeding in education. The opportunity is there, they just have to grab it. The problem is , how do we MAKE anyone be good parents? Not rely on the schools to completely rear their kids? Instead of letting them be babysitted by video games, allow them to become overweight and lazy at very young ages?

You want test scores to improve,I do too. Time for parents to do their equal part and take responsibility of their own kids.

BTW vato, just the other day you said every dollar we spend goes to WEAC, I would say that is quite the contrary to your 336 post and your link. So which is it? Hate unions for teachers or respect them? Like you told me , pick a side and ride. Enough with the blah blah blah.
Pay teachers 70-80k a year? all for it as long as we dont start there and cut , cut, cut. That is calling for an increase in spending in Education, which I am all for, I though you opposed such things?

bebe werent you calling me out for labelling/name calling?? Hit a nerve? Sticks and stones! LOL If I have you posting whiny 3 liners like that I know I have you! Excellent.

Fear

With the contacts you have, have you heard of any good progress that students are improving in MAP math and reading scores lately?

"Unlike in the U.S., the standards for entering the teaching profession in these countries are very high."

Two things need to happen to improve education in our country. Out of many things that need to happen.....

1. Set higher standards for those who enter teaching.....recruit only the best

2. Pay them 70 to 80 k to start....but with a well oiled evaluation system...

" the high-performing nations tackle its causes by greatly strengthening the pool of teachers who enter the classroom"

I think this is key to improving education reform.....I feel there are people out there that can be great teachers but the licensing steps are preventing them from adding value to our educational system

for example, there are awesome math degreed folks out there that have excellent teaching capabilities but are discouraged to teach because they can make more money in the private sector. How can we attract those people?

"Top-performing nations such as Canada and Finland work constructively with their unions and treat teachers as trusted professional partners"

I agree fear....what we pay our teachers is indicative of what we think of education...I have always said that....my beef is with the way in which education is delivered in the classroom......and the achievement gap.....

fear-no,what is stupid is your denial that public sector unions are useful-but keep up all that ignorant idiotic liberal drivel that you so excel at-as our kids continue to not be properly educated

Not very conducive to your arguments of younger teachers and anti-union rhetoric huh? Or did you just cherry pick tghe ones you wanted to include?

10. The path to a high quality teaching force lies in using student performance on standardized tests to identify the worst teachers and removing tenure and seniority protections so those teachers can be fired.

Not one of the top-performing countries got there by firing their worst teachers. Instead of focusing on the symptoms of the disease by eliminating bad teachers, the high-performing nations tackle its causes by greatly strengthening the pool of teachers who enter the classroom. Unlike in the U.S., the standards for entering the teaching profession in these countries are very high. The teacher colleges reject far more applicants for entry than they accept, and many are housed in the prestigious research universities. And once teachers enter the classroom, they are offered competitive salaries, given plenty of support and time to collaborate with and learn from their colleagues, and provided opportunities to gain greater responsibility and corresponding higher pay and prestige. The result is that they have a very large pool of highly qualified teachers to call on. We cannot fire our way to a high quality teaching force.

Vato , GREAT LINK!!! Did you read all 10 myths? Dont think you would agree with them all.

6. Strong unions are big impediments to reform
Some of the countries with the best student performance in the world also have some of the strongest teachers’ unions. The PISA international test data show no relationship between the presence or strength of teachers’ unions and student performance. Top-performing nations such as Canada and Finland work constructively with their unions and treat teachers as trusted professional partners. The real issue may not be unions per se but rather the relationship between student performance and the level of professionalization of teaching. When teachers and their unions are treated as professionals rather than cogs in a system—with the support, responsibility and autonomy they need to be effective instructors—student performance improves.

9. More charter schools and educational entrepreneurs are needed to shake up our public school system.

These ideas don’t have any currency in the top-performing countries, either. Our most successful competitors are not trying to figure out how to disrupt their systems; they are trying to figure out how to improve them. The idea of improving them by funding competition for them strikes them as odd. And the idea of improving all schools by removing all or almost all of the regulations from some of them also strikes them as odd. The issue for the top-performing countries always is how to improve the system as a whole, and every school in it, not how to build pockets of excellence.

Stupid blanket statemets, see?

bebe53 said, "...and that certainly includes Wisconsin..."
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I see no mention of Wisconsin teachers or Wisconsin teachers unions in that article. Or are you now suggesting that because something happened 850 miles away, that it also happened here and everywhere else?

no-merely pointing out the obvious-that unions are only good at protecting the inept,ignorant,incompetent and less than mediocre-and that certainly includes Wisconsin-which is why unions should not be allowed in the Public sector-taxpayer money wasted to defend the indefensible

bebe53, we have enough problems worrying about Walker. We don't need to start worrying about problems in another state. Remember? Republicans are all for sovereignty and a state's right of local control. By bringing up this story you aren't suggesting Wisconsinites should be in charge of telling New York what to do, are you?

From a news story in the New York Post Jan.27-
as reported in today's Wall Street Journal

They have trouble with spelling,grammar,and showing up to class on time-and we're not talking about the students.
The city trie to expel 26 teachers from the classroom last year for gross incompetence-such as English teachers who couldn't write or speak the language properly.
But officials maintain that stringeny union rules prevented them from succeeding in just half those cases-even when hearing officers actually agreed with the principal's assessments.
That's because the city has to prove not only that the teacher's can't do their jobs but also that they have no shot of ever improving.
"What happens is every single thing is litigated or grieved or had a fuss made about it" said Mayor Blooomberg, who, along with Gov. Cuomo, has demanded state wide adoption of new teacher evaluations.
So explain to us again how unions do not protect the inept,ignorant, incompetent and less than mediocre to the detriment of all students-and we want to continue this??

"Public education is the key for everyone to be able to experience that American dream that seems to elude folks that want to work hard."

Explain the achievement gap........

Myth 2

The experience of these countries is irrelevant because they are homogeneous while we are uniquely diverse.

It is not always clear what people mean when they say we are “diverse.” But the fact is that more people in Canada were born outside that country than were born outside the U.S., and the ethnic diversity of Australia is a close match for the U.S., but both nations substantially outperform us.  It is certainly true that there is a wider distribution of income now in the U.S. than in any other industrialized country, and that is a real challenge for educators.  Yet, at the same time, there are only a few industrialized nations in which socio-economic background predicts student performance to the degree that it does in the U.S.  Put another way, educators in many other countries do a better job of helping students from low-income families perform at a higher level than in the U.S.

http://www.ncee.org/programs-affiliates/...

Many make excuses others find a way......

Shrek agree totally with your post at 759. But if you dont think that 1.6 billion in ed cuts will affect kids in the classroom then I dont know what to tell you. Cut any program like that and you will have a negative effect , its just simple math. Increases in class size are coming, large layoffs in many districts next year thanks to continuing budget cuts. How many more times will you and others continue to ask teachers to take less and expect more? This budget is not the end , act 10 will have a devastation effect on education in Wisconsin. Unfortunately for your points it wont be instant, it will take time. It will push quality people out of the industry, and lower compensation for a profession that was limited during the economic boom and now is being asked to take the largest hits because the private sector mismanaged its elf during the crisis?

Vato- You dont care about kids, talk about hypocricy. You would just assume we dont educate anyone that votes for a democrat. Segregating society is not the answer ,even if you think it is. Public education is the key for everyone to be able to experience that American dream that seems to elude folks that want to work hard. Working hard isnt the key to the dream anymore. Hard work helps, buut millions of hard working Americans are swimming upstream in a system rigged against the middle class, like it or not. You can be bankrupted in a wekk if you get ill in this country, nice dream huh?

On another note, here is good news out of Beloit showing the economy is improving: Kerry Ingredients has announced further building expansion and a plan to create 50 more jobs.

Ted Castro

Answer the questions......it isn't about the kids.......You fear monger....the kids will be fine.......the only sky that's falling is the union's sky.............

By the way, Ted still cant answer a couple of questions for me, but his minions sure are attacking me.

C'mon, be honest with us Ted, this isn't about classroom conditions or education. It is about taking money out of the unions' pocket.

My point is that successful individuals are successful because they work harder. If you want to be successful, it requires hard work and many of you on here expect success to be given to you. This is the American dream, the ability to chart your own course through hard work. ANYONE can be successful, it is just a matter of getting off the couch and getting to work.

Oh, but RhetoricAndFalderal, tedmlewis's facts are based on real numbers too! We're asking you to disprove them and it has you doing more gyrations than a hoop dance over hot coals.

No2 your deliberate evasion of the real numbers also shows your point of view pretty clear. Do you have a problem with judging his position from the time he took office or are you so short sighted you only care about the last 6 months? It is clearly apparent looking at all the numbers doesn’t fit the current need those on the left have with the recall circus in its present cycle. Cherry picking of data to support an agenda is nothing new; this is just the latest of the same act. The funny part is watching those with their agenda defend it. I suspect to you that is just another example of courage.

Humorously, RhetoricAndFalderal's cited statistics miserably failed to disprove a single fact that tedmlewis had stated. You get a D- for subterfuge on this one, Raffy.

fear are you sure you want to lead the spelling police? Or is this just another example of your stellar record of consistency v. hypocrisy?

Sadly the three previous posters are incapable of reading. The previously link clearly shows Wisconsin has better numbers than the national average from Dec 2010 to Dec 2011. And in just the Midwest segment of 12 states is clearly in the middle, for the same period. As I said, But facts using all the numbers is not the point, if it doesn't make their boogie man look bad.

boggy man? or BOOGIE man!! LOL, thanks to poobah and youkill for saving me the typing time.

You're exactly right, youkillme. The link to the BLS data that RhetoricAndFalderal provided does not disprove one single fact provided by tedmlewis. You notice also that RAF never claimed the statistics actually disprove any of the those facts. He simply provides a link to a government website and hopes people would assume the statistics he provided must disprove the facts provided by tedmlewis. Nothing but smoke and mirrors from RhetoricAndFalderal.

All of tedmlewis's statements can be googled for sources. They are all factual. RAF, if you're going to produce charts, at least make sure they fit your reality, whatever that is.

fear stated "instead of labelling as a way of not making a statement on Mr Lewis' facts , can you argue them? Are you willing to be factually ignorant because your ideology runs so deep? Please dispute the facts"
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Stats are a wonderful thing, you can cherry pick almost any data to make a point. When you look at all the real numbers from the BLS it is clear the majority of the claims made by those on the left are just not true. But facts using all the numbers is not the point, if it doesn't make their boggy man look bad.

http://www.bls.gov/xg_shells/ro5xg02.htm...

Vato you are absolutely off the reservation, funny watching your constant mislabelling of everyone you hate/disagree with. WEAC is a bunch of commies now? Just vote republican and everything will be alright!!

You might want to look into why teachers unions were formed in the beginning before you go rambling off about Mao and Stalin, tyrants that were responsible for deaths of millions of their own people, nice comparison though. Expecting any type of honest research on your part is asking a lot, I know, but you sure are good at throwing out non-sequitors.
Relavant facts have been posted , job losses mounting , and all you can do is say everything is okay?? Do you even live in Rock county? I got news cor you bud, everything is NOT okay, FAR FAR fromit!!
You truly are coo coo for cocoa puffs!!

vatoloco, Mao and communists. Really? You're living back in the 50's and early 60's huddled under your school desk for the air raid drill. You can come out from underneath your desk now. The Soviet empire has collapsed. The economic elitists have decided communism is no longer a threat (too much money to be made in China) and have chosen "radical Islam" as the new focal point for their fear campaigns. Time to update your rhetorical talking points, vatoloco.

Fear

Ted Mao is a fear Mongerer just like you...WI is just fine........where were guys when jobs were lost during Doyles regime? How convenient?

Ted Lewis just hates that his salary is suffering due to WEAC collecting less dues...thats all....

What exactly is your position? You bash republicans, you bash democrats but support communist organizations like WEAC.....

It's about NEA power...must I remind you with a video?

Vato- instead of labelling as a way of not making a statement on Mr Lewis' facts , can you argue them? Are you willing to be factually ignorant because your ideology runs so deep? Please dispute the facts:
-Wisconsin has lost jobs for six consecutive months
-Wisconsin is dead last in job growth nationally for this fiscal year
-Wisconsin is 44th nationally in job growth for 2011
-Rock County has lost 1,100 jobs under Governor Walker's tenure
-3 in 4 Wisconsin students attend a school district with at least one program cut
If you can. My A$$umption is that you cannot because no matter how much you hate someone, mathemetics always seems to bite you in the brain, no matter what.

Shrek, I responded to your 3:52 comment which pitted businesses against individuals and commercial against non-commercial and made absolutely no mention of global markets or international competition.

Shrek, if you are indeed living the American dream as a business owner, you are doing so blindly. Let me correct your statements.
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"Taxes on tangible property. Individuals pay taxes on their real estate holdings. Businesses pay taxes on not only real estate, but also equipment."
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Individuals also pay taxes on equipment they buy. The difference is, businesses get to write it off via depreciation, individuals generally don't. Advantage: business
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"Commercial utility customers pay a higher rate than non commercial customers due in part to extra government fees."
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Incorrect. Commercial electric and gas rates in most localities are significantly lower than residential rates. Don't believe me, call around. Advantage: business
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"Business owners are required to pay extra are required to pay them in advance or be penalized."
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If you were smart and organized as a sub-chapter S corporation or a limited liability corporation you would be taxed at the same rate as individuals as profits/losses are passed through to the owners and are NOT taxed at the corporate level. Advantage: none
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In regards to making quarterly estimated tax payments, if you investigated income averaging and distributing more of your income near the end of your fiscal year (and as dividends instead of wages) you would probably find there is little, if any, penalty for not making quarterly estimated tax payments. Talk to you accountant. Advantage: none
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Sounds to me like you need some good sound business advice.

Youkill -- You are wrong. Businesses are not on a level playing field globally. There are a variety of restrictions and limits placed upon businesses that affect only locally run businesses. Some are federal, some are state and some are local. To think that all businesses are treated the same is very myopic and does not consider international competition. Protectionist federal regulations (if implemented) will further depress our market penetrations globally. We need global markets to group and develop-- creating a demand for our products as well as the products of others. Without that demand globally, the market for a specific product can saturate.

Shrek said, "You think that someone else controls your success and in reality it is your complacency that defines your lack of success. There is no subsitute for hard work."
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I retired at age 49, having sold my two businesses. But what does that mean for the broader population? Absolutely nothing other than I worked hard and was extremely fortunate to be in the right place at the right time with the right set of skills. It's akin to winning the lottery and not many people are able to do that. Believe it or not, there are people who have worked hard and achieved enough success to retire at a young age who still have great empathy for the lower and middle class struggle. You, apparently, are not one of them.

TedStalin

Correct me if I am wrong but weren't you the one that said that education shouldnt be looked as an investment? You feel that education should not be looked as an expense?

Shrek,
Obama cut taxes. It has been proven that non-poverty level very high income individuals pay a lesser tax rate then the average middle class.

You think you work harder than others?

Businesses compete against other businesses - not individuals. Regulations that effect you effect your competition as well.

Businesses also get tax breaks individuals do not get.

You repeatedly pit businesses against non-business individuals.

I'm not trying to jab at you. I just think you have no reason to think you (as a business) are being treated any differently than other business to validate a sense of being punished.

So you think you're being punished in the sense that you're unfairl

Youkillme,
Ok, here are a few things:

Higher taxes due to higher income. This income was earned by working harder than others, but the government feels the need to confiscate it and redistribute it to others who don't have the same work ethic (ie: earned income credit)

Excess regulation. Businesses are subject to different regulations than individuals when it comes to building permits, health care, taxes, etc. The costs associated with them are also higher for businesses than for individuals.

Taxes on tangible property. Individuals pay taxes on their real estate holdings. Businesses pay taxes on not only real estate, but also equipment.

Commercial utility customers pay a higher rate than non commercial customers due in part to extra government fees.

Business owners are required to pay extra income taxes vs non business owners. And we are required to pay them in advance or be penalized.

I could list more, but I know that you really don't care about the issue, you are just trying to jab at me because I want Ted to provide some backup for his statements.

Shrek, how is anyone punishing you. Be specific.

Feel free to contact your UniServ Director, Ted Lewis at LewisT@weac.org if you have questions about your right to belong to a communist organization.

Tedlewis

You are a fear monger of the highest order....stick to representing communist organizations.....WI will be fine.......Misery loves company...

Ted,
I asked you to answer the following further down in this thread and did not get a reply, therefore I will ask again.

How are classroom conditions deteriorating? Please provide some specific examples.
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How is he (Walker) undermining education?
Please be specific.
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Where are the jobs being shed? Are the job losses in districts that had contracts in place before the changes or are they in districts that implemented the changes?

Poobah,
You are dead wrong. I am living the American dream. I lost my good paying job and instead of sitting on my butt, I dedicated (and continue to dedicate) 80-90 hours a week to make it a success. It has turned out very successful and now people like you want to punish me for that success instead of putting in the effort to make your life better. You think that someone else controls your success and in reality it is your complacency that defines your lack of success. There is no subsitute for hard work.

Some data:
-Wisconsin has lost jobs for six consecutive months
-Wisconsin is dead last in job growth nationally for this fiscal year
-Wisconsin is 44th nationally in job growth for 2011
-Rock County has lost 1,100 jobs under Governor Walker's tenure
-3 in 4 Wisconsin students attend a school district with at least one program cut
-Wisconsin has thousands of fewer educatin staff under Governor Walker

While folks may disagree about causes, we should all be able to agree upon proven facts--the economy and education have deteriorated under Governor Walker.

Shrek said, "The American dream is the opportunity to excel in life, you just need to dedicate more to excelling and less time to feeling sorry for yourself."
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More appropriately, as George Carlin said, "The owners of this country know the truth: It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it." Or better yet, "Conservatives say if you don't give the rich more money, they will lose their incentive to invest. As for the poor, they tell us they've lost all incentive because we've given them too much money."

Sarah,
I feel for your plight, but the real issue is not where to cut, it is where to increase income? The American dream is the opportunity to excel in life, you just need to dedicate more to excelling and less time to feeling sorry for yourself. I know this may sound harsh, but playing the victim will never get you ahead in life. Self confidence and an unwavering drive to succeed will.

Thanks, vato. I appreciate your honesty in that response. (And, yes, I am being serious here.)

Not sure Sarah, but it doesn't help when politicians keep passing laws that place a bigger burden on taxpayers so that prices kept going up....more legislation means higher prices to the consumer...

Ezoner also said-""The reality is -- we can do more with less, class sizes are NOT a determination of quality education, that has been proven. I have posted studies previously. More teachers are not required. ""
WoW, so now a study is PROOF?? I have seen the "studies" that you have posted tat you consider "proof". I could post links to DOZENS of studies that show the exact opposite of what you contend to be proof. It is your opinion that larger class sizes don't effect education and students ability to learn. I simply disagree, and so do folks that are actually charged with the task of improving the education of many high needs students. Students that do NOT learn as well in a large class , students that seem to excel in an environment of more individual time with thier teachers.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2...

http://www.greatschools.org/find-a-schoo...

http://privateschool.about.com/od/choosi...

So why don't you try and say,"Its my opinion, and the opinon of others that size of a classroom doesn't matter as much as we think it does." Because at least if you understand that YOUR opinion and the opinion of some others that have done a few studies that agree with that position, then we can have a civilized discussion on the merits of your opinion. But the moment that you project your opinion as a fact, you lose me.
It is MY opinion along with a vast majority of education PROFESSIONALS(public or private, union, non-union ) that smaller class size is better for kids. Again that is an opinion that can be SUPPORTED (not proven) by dozens and dozens of studies.
WHat I am curious bout is how many more years will we be saying "live with less" to those that have already doing so for years? Maybe we should be saying that same thing to the Mitt Romney's of the world who haven't been. When is it their turn to live with a little less?

vato: Okay, my standard of living matches the lower end of what you described: one car, rent cheap apartment, one TV (from the 1990s), cheapest chable I can get, $10 Tracphone, one computer (purchased in 2005) with cheapest high-speed available, eat out at fast-food maybe once a month, no movies or other entertainment outside of books from the library, no charge cards, etc. It's been this way for several years now and I was able to put money into savings before but not so today with work budget cuts, needing to commute farther for jobs that don't last as long as in my earlier years, etc. My question to you is this: Where do I cut now?

Poobah

Standard of living is very debatable....three cars versus one......one pc versus three....Direct TV versus an HD antenna that gets 16 channels....one cell phone versus a family plan with five cell phones.......shopping (groceries) at Aldis versus Woodmans, Supersaver, Highlanders, Walmart...eating out versus Ramen noodles, dollar soups,.........gas guzzler versus four cylinder car......kids walk to school or drive them......

Ezoner said, "You may need to downsize your expenses (smaller house, smaller car, smaller or no TV) [...] This is why the far left will lose. They are fighting a battle that makes no practical sense."
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So let me get this straight. The battle that makes sense is the one to convince Americans that they need to give up their dreams of maintaining their current standard of living and get used to the idea of downsizing everything. My question to you is, "When does this downsizing end?" When we're all living in tents and working for today's cup of soup and rice? What is it that makes people willing to give up what they have for the good of a relatively small group of economic elitists and settle for so much less? Get ready, Ezoner. I think another trickle is coming soon.

Poobah

Fair enough...

What a bunch of whining babies. Its the crying wolf thing again, the sky is falling -- OMG..... The reality is -- we can do more with less, class sizes are NOT a determination of quality education, that has been proven. I have posted studies previously. More teachers are not required. What is really required is a solid family unit, replacing morals and integrity and personal responsibility in place of the entitlement society of whinners we have today. We -- the parents and police and professionals are products of the very system you are denograting. The reality is we need more personal responsibility, less relying upon on others.

I applaud the lady working 3 jobs. The husband needs to get out there, the jobs exist, but maybe not at the labor rate he was getting before. You may need to downsize your expenses (smaller house, smaller car, smaller or no TV) Is no TV really a bad thing? Maybe we would go outside and get some exersize, improve or health -- lower healthcare costs. OMG -- the sky is falling. This is why the far left will lose. They are fighting a battle that makes no practical sense.

vatoloco said, "Poobah Just pointing out that if you think a high IQ means a lot why can't we seem to be smart enough to solve all our economic problems..our leaders are a product of our educational system.....no?"
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You're the one that associated intelligence with national debt, not I. I responded to your comment with the fact that China has the lowest national debt as a percentage of GDP and asked you if you thought that means the Chinese are more intelligent than Americans or if perhaps their economic system is superior to ours. You didn't answer either of those questions, as I expected.
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To address your question, our leaders are products of our educational system and some also of foreign educational systems, but they are also products of our political system which corrupts and is controlled by, and for the good of, economic elitists.

Poobah

Just pointing out that if you think a high IQ means a lot why can't we seem to be smart enough to solve all our economic problems..our leaders are a product of our educational system.....no?

IMO, emotional IQ is a better indicator of success.....I would rather work with an average intelligent person with a passion and eagerness to get things done than a science genius who can't work on a team because he/she can't handle change or adapt to sdversity...

Anyone who thinks that China's economic model is superior to ours is already lost.
Jan 29, 2012 at 11:56 a.m.

Hilarious!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uAuuQnh9...

truthteller - until they ban Mouse, you should not feed the troll - this encourages her to keep posting meaningless garbage. Let's start clicking on the 'suggest removal' everytime it squeaks.

http://scottwalkerwatch.com/

Wow!! This mouse poster is a real piece of work! I would think the gazette would ban this kind of person from posting here?!? Looks like the latest polls in Milwaukee show Scott Walker winning any recall election by a wide margin. I think it was like 60% for Walker and 40% for Falk. And the other potential candidates were even worse. It's going to be about impossible to win the recall with only Madison and Janesville on the recall side. I hope there are new laws put in place to stop unjust recalls. It makes a mockery of our system to do what has been going on these last few months. If any recall should take place it should be with the Democrats that fled the state.

+1 Sarah...I agree with you completely. Walker should NOT have increased Medicaid spending by $1.2 Billion and he should have made deeper cuts in both Medicaid and other state sponsored entitlement programs in order to balance the budget. We finally found something we agree on!!!

vatoloco said, "14 trillion and counting in debt....yeah..being smart really counts in this country..."
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Well, vatoloco, if debt is such a concern to you, perhaps you should consider supporting a communist candidate for president. Debt in China is just 19% of GDP, the lowest of all nations. Using your logic that debt is tied to intelligence, the Chinese must be more intelligent than Americans. Or, could it be that their economic system is superior to ours? You have quite a quandary, don't you?

Walker broke his promise and there will be a budget deficit of $3 billion for each of the next two years. (Per information in today's edition of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel.)
Here is a short version: In the 2010 race, Walker made an explicit promise, noted on his campaign website to "require the use of generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP) to balance every state budget, just as we require every local government and school district to do."

This is known as the accrual accounting method, something also used by publicly traded companies. On the Walk-O-Meter, we rated this a Promise Broken. Walker did not use the GAAP approach on his first budget.

Indeed, under that approach, the state shows a $3 billion GAAP deficit each of the next two years.

youkillme: Great chart! Reminds me of ED (if you know what I mean).

redder: How do you know some of those taking part in the rally " ... are not paying taxes ..."? Also, have you considered running for local office in Janesville?

The only pink slip that is coming is for the mafia run state public unions in this state.

"redder, you should be careful about associating ignorance with Democrats. Recent studies show liberals on average with higher IQ's than conservatives."

14 trillion and counting in debt....yeah..being smart really counts in this country...

A larger rally is set for today at the clocktower - bring your own crying towel.

"the state, is CLEARLY moving in the right direction"

AL-OH-AL

http://badgerstat.org/wp-content/uploads...

Recall Walker for helping puppet Wisconsin to 6 straight months of leading the nation in jobs lost. Get out and Recall the weasel. It is absolutely time for change!

Unemployment in Rock County during Doyle's last few years was consistently in double digits, hovering around 15%. Unemployment is currently around 9%. Rock County, along with the rest of the state, is CLEARLY moving in the right direction, regardless of what these demonstrators and the recall petition signers believe they are personally entitled to. Support Scott Walker and continued progress for Wisconsin!

redder said, ""fear" maybe if you were part of the solution instead of the problem you might look at the context in which i was reffering...typical ignorant DEM."
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redder, you should be careful about associating ignorance with Democrats. Recent studies show liberals on average with higher IQ's than conservatives. As many as 11 points higher. Check out Satoshi Kanazawa's paper published in March, 2010 by Social Psychology Quarterly. Or try the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Add Health). Or the General Social Survey.

"Privatizing schools is the ultimate answer. Parents should pay for their child's education, not the taxpayer."
Geez, no class warfare in that statement! When only those with money can educate their children, you don't think that will lead to class problems.
Sounds to me like all the righties are just simply envious and jealous of what teachers make. Why don't you go back to school and get a teaching degree and become teachers yourselves, so that you to can make those enormous amounts working only 9 months out of the year. Oh, that's right, most of you resent education.

"The gathering in a parking lot outside the job center is symbolic of their campaign to deny Wisconsin employment opportunities by obstructing the Republican pro jobs agenda," Mielke said.
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HAAAAA...now that is a laughable statement. Would it be that picture of Scrot on the billboard at G.M. that qualifies as a pro-job agenda? Would it be hanging a sign on the "I" at Beloit saying open for business? Is it Scrot's out-of-state pole dancing for cash in front of rich republicans so he can keep his own job?

"fear" maybe if you were part of the solution instead of the problem you might look at the context in which i was reffering...typical ignorant DEM

"The state of the public union crybabies and their Democrat puppets".

Yes, RichE95, and think about this -- it exceeded Walker's capitol meeting criteria for needing a permit by 900%!

poohbah - you made very insightful comment. It was a little gathering. You have reinforced my statement about the Gazette coverning something so small with so much print. Thank You!

RichE.......... Walker wears a blue shirt, but promotes and dictates from a brown bag.
Working under.....
http://kochbrothersexposed.com/comments....

RichE95, I'm sure if Walker had his way and could extend statewide his new capitol rules of requiring permits for assemblies of more than 4 people, and charging a fee for security and cleanup, this little gathering wouldn't have happened.

RichE95 ...speaking of never ending whining and intolerance. LOL

RichE95 said, "This is pathetic journalism."
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The day is approaching that you'd be thankful for the coverage this has received. If things continue to trend the way they're going, you probably won't even get this kind of coverage soon. The United States has now fallen to 47th place amongst all countries for press freedom. [ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-... ]

Voto..... let's admit it you care less about kids than anyone on this site.
Just sit back and think about that for a minute... talking like you care, and yet want to hold onto every last dime.

Redder you call this article ridiculous, and then you balme Obama for the economy? That is rich, and absolutely hilarious. You might want to do some more research.

Hedge hog- Hey if we would all just vote for republicans everything would be fine, just ask Vato.
Vato- your insane , ridiculous arguments about no need for education, voting for one party, AFDC causing the problems in poor nieghborhoods, Blaming teachers for poor kids not learning, etc., etc....... Making assumptions about you is very easy to do based on your mind numbing ridicuous comments based on what you believe is good for......YOU!! Unfortunately for your theories not everyone is capable of picking themselves up and succeeding, poverty can be generational and without public ed and many of the social programs a large segment of our society will never even sniff the American dream. Public Ed is the one gateway that gives poor kids a chance. Its something that privatization would destroy. But keep demonizing Democrats, because THAT is productive. They are no different than repubs, just by name only. You offer nothing but hate and ZERO in the way of solutions.
Oh yeah have you checked and looked at STATISTICS when it comes to average salary of people tat have a degree and an education VS those that dont. You can bring up Bill Gates all you like, but he is merely one lucky thief that got away with stealing an idea and patenting it.
EDUCATION is key , no matter how you want to spin it.

This article is ridiculous...why not ask they same of your fealess President..who has destroyed the economy and is stopping you from working...Walker is trying to get business into the state so we all can benefit. GM left now you will have to realize what the rest of the world earns not over inflated benefit packages and stupid hourly wages. Thats why they left they could nopt afford to stay. Look localy at your city counsil, what have they done? They are not working to attract business to Janesville. They are not pushing to save this city from the brink of hell. They worry about parks and skate rinks...who the hell cares get jobs into the community...yet once again the Dems hold some BS rally to blame Walker. You worry about a choir instructor...REALLY...who is going to pay for him...no business no jobs no worry about a choir...you wont need it. Now when times are good, great put it on the budget and lets see what can be worked out...but now...I think you people need to quit chasing the Govenor and look locally first. What has your city done for you, your county look at local politics and what have they done to put you in a better situation. The Govenor is trying to balance a budget that is trying to be fueled by decreasing assetts. It has to come from somewhere, and I find it humorous that some people who are not paying taxes etc. find the time to go and have a rally when they shoud be looking for work, or better yet getting local and takeing some responsibility on a local level to try and climb out of the ooze that has become Janesville. People we need to take ownership of our local goverment before we can move on to the state level, and then on to the federal level...I say locally, we suck. We are not doing all we can to attract people to this town and who want to move their companies to this town...and with our local attitudes like this, in this story...can we actually blame them. With a weak at best local goverment, and a poor attitude of our local citizens, who really want something for nothing and who show themselves with hand open in the press whineing about a state goverment, when they cannt even get their own local goverment in order. Blame is a disease that needs to be healed, before it becomes an epidemic. This town needs an enima in the worst possible way. The citizens of Rock county need first to make the local goverment accountable, then move forward.

""The $45,961 median income should be adjusted up by a couple of hundred dollars to account for that....."" and another cost you are leaving out, HEALTH INSURANCE!! That accounts for approximately what 15-20k a year no matter where you work. Again apples to apples 916.

WOW - 46 people - such a big crowd the gazette could only get about 25 in a panoramic picture. The Gazette has become unbelievable. They dedicated 3/4 of a page to this article! Scott Angus must be ceding control to the long biased Stan Milam. This is pathetic journalism. If every group with so few attending received this kind of coverage, the gazette would have to expand to 100 pages and create a lot of jobs in the community. Those mentioned and speaking were the usual cast of characters with their never ending whining and intolerence. This article actually makes me feel much more confident in the future of our great Governor. Where was Tim Cullen? that's right - at his new hangout in Rockford.

""A cost is a cost whether it's salary or benefits, somebody has to pay for it.."" Vato, we dont disagree, just compare apples to apples. Dont use a median salary number that doesnt include benefits, because its not a real comparison. Its an attempt to demonize someone you hate, because you hate what they stand/work for.

Below is a list of solutions offered by these media attention seekers:

RECALL WALKER!

"teachers have a MORAL obligation to care for and show compassion for those less fortunate students (even"

iMO, they have a moral obligation to show them how to care.

"Only a heartless zombie would talk of partisan garbage when talking about a teacher makig a CHOICE to help the poor kids in her classroom.With all due respect, You have to be the most selfish ignorant person on here. "

That is a choice they make fear......just because I might not do that doesn't make me heartless. But don't turn around and give us a guilt trip.....you don't know me fear so stop making assumptions of me being ignorant.....that's great that they do that ...all power to them.....but no one forces them to do it....big difference......

"916 you cannot reach 93,000 on the salary schedule in Janesville. So it is my assumption that you are including the cost of benefits, since"

A cost is a cost whether it's salary or benefits, somebody has to pay for it..

fearandrhetoric4dummies - Both good comments on your behalf! It is great to see that our teachers have a MORAL obligation to care for and show compassion for those less fortunate students (even though they do not have too)! Seems as though the Republicans would rather have these poor kids suffer and go without. If they didn't grow up in a wealthy, affluent family, too bad for them! It's not the fault of the under privileged kids in these situations. Now if the parent(s) are simply leaching of off society with one of the numerous social programs when they are perfectly capable of working, then I blame the parent(s), and government for allowing it!

Feduptaxpayer said, "As for out of pocket spending, I say show me the receipts. And is that also not an ALLOWED tax deduction?"
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You of all people insisting on proof of what someone said....incredible. My sister can deduct the first $250 only on her taxes. Are YOU over that limit this year?

4bears-Lets raise that tax rate up to where Mitt and the Kochs each have the same amount LEFT after taxes as the $50,000 a year earners. Will that finally satisfy you?
You forgot what America is all about-It's the land of opportunity-where you can come here with nothing and work hard and maybe become rich. It's suppose to be allowed and encouraged.
Instead it's become-get rich and become hated (unless you're a Democrat then whine you're not paying enough but that's all you do)
I wish you people who are constantly complaining about the rich not paying their fair share would become rich just so you would shut up.

916W I know what I said and I stand by it. I had no idea what the average was when I described my sister and friends and it makes absolutely no difference. I know what they spend. As well as having then provided you with the average after having looked it up, I also provided you with other examples of teachers spending the same amounts as my sister and friends.
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My question to you is how much extra you spent to buy supplies and materials for classrooms. You criticized Trygve for being concerned for his own welfare when all he mentioned were the school and school programs...never himself. So let's turn that around on you and ask you what extra you've done in the line of donating money to classrooms to help pay the shortages.

As for out of pocket spending, I say show me the receipts. And is that also not an ALLOWED tax deduction? So the total number would of course be reduced at Tax time.

916WI: Didn't Walker pick up his $7,000 pay raise earlier this month?

The fact people making under 50g think they should make less and have to pay a higher tax rate than Mitt and the Kochs. Well, that would be comical if it wasn't so damn pathetic. These God fearing patriots don't love America, they only love themselves.

Fear....Yes....I apologize for not making that clear. Yes, the $93,000 figure was total compensation--total income including pension contributions. As I said before, I don't personally know anyone-outside of public sector employees-that have a fully funded pension from an employer, I do however know of many people who get an employer match(2%-3%) on their 401K contributions. The $45,961 median income should be adjusted up by a couple of hundred dollars to account for that.....

Fear....Yes....I apologize for not making that clear. Yes, the $93,000 figure was total compensation--total income including pension contributions. As I said before, I don't personally know anyone-outside of public sector employees-that have a fully funded pension from an employer, I do however know of many people who get an employer match(2%-3%) on their 401K contributions. The $45,961 median income should be adjusted up by a couple of hundred dollars to account for that.....

nemesis writes: " ... Maybe Fourteen state legislators leaving the state for a period of time causing the government to stop. Doctors giving out false reports that some teachers were sick when they actually weren't so that the teachers could go to Madison and protest. Anti-walker forces who would rather bully mentally disabled kids to shout down a speech by Walker. I can go on but this website does not have the space. ... ". Nemesis, maybe I am missing something in your original comment, but what does a Milton alterwoman/probation officer have to do with any of your accusations? Regardless, what laws were broken in any of the activities you mentioned? What defines something as "borderline criminal"? The government did not "stop" when the lawmakers went to Illinois, there is no proof that the teachers were not sick, and the protesters did not "bully" the disabled persons attending Walker's speech. I agree that they should not have walked through the area, but they did not "bully" anyone. They were silent when they walked through. And, I thought that the people being honored that day were adults, not children. (Although that should really make no difference. The zombie thing was rude, but not anywhere near illegal IMO.)

Pooh......
Your first quote, "knowing many teachers that spend thousands of their own dollars each school year on supplies and materials"
Then after true average of approximately $400 is brought to light, your second quote, "I found stories that sound very similar to my sister and my teaching friends who spend $1200 to $1500 each year".......Even if we we're to take your elaboration at face value, in what world is $1,200-$1,500 considered "thousands of dollars"??
This makes two lies within the span of the same article. Your blatant lying along with your weak attempts to explain away your lies is becoming habitual. Please stop before your credibility is damaged any further.....

Poobah , fair enough. I still think that is a pretty high number, but I am aware that I dont know every teacher on Earth. I would say Milwaukee is a "large urban area" and if there are any teachers who spend over 500 on their room i would be surprised.

poobah-You broke it down into each student, not me. As for the word "ruining"-isn't that what the left has been harping on now for 14 months? Walker's ruined- The middle class, the schools, the unions, the quality of life, ad nauseum. Of course on the other hand he's given them an excuse to to go out in this cold, damp weather and get a little exercise.

Vato- more blather on your part. Democrats,, blah, blah, blah. Socialist blah, blah, blah.
So by your reasoning a one party system will solve all the problems? Totalitarian society? Sounds like a fine democratic model to me! Maybe youu should stop labelling and start having original thought, unfortunately I do not believe you are capable.
Only a heartless zombie would talk of partisan garbage when talking about a teacher makig a CHOICE to help the poor kids in her classroom.With all due respect, You have to be the most selfish ignorant person on here.
Asian classrooms? Are you ware that many factories in southeast Asia have suicide nets around dormatories that house their workers to prevent them from killing themselves? And that is the model you want to follow?

916 you cannot reach 93,000 on the salary schedule in Janesville. So it is my assumption that you are including the cost of benefits, since there isnt a teacher in Janesville that makes that much money. AND in the private sector the median income certainly does NOT include benefits like so many of you enjoy doing as some kind of legitimate comparison. Apples to oranges.

poorrichard said, "poobah-That $635 figure you quote is $3.50 a day. So that's the amount that Walker cut that is "ruining" education in Wisconsin?"
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Richard, why did you quote the word ruining? It's your word not mine so there's no need to quote it. Take that $635 times the average class size and you readily see the scope of the problem.

This is not worthy of a news story.A bunch of blow hards whining and crying is not news. Get a life!Unions have shut down many plants across the United States. Now they are working on bankrupting the sates,with Illinois and New York first.

916WI, you need to re-read my comment. You won't find any lie. You've now lied twice within the span of just one article. Once when you accused Trygve of making selfish statements and once when you said my statement about teachers I know paying for supplies was not true. It's becoming habitual with you.

Nemesis: You said, "Anissa and her friends of union thugs have committed actions that are borderline criminal and at the least are childish." Explain what they did that was BORDERLINE criminal?

ozzman......huh?? No one is taking about taking away or reducing your food stamps/rent assistance.....................yet:)

Hey ozzman, you are on the liberal crazy train....

auto workers-why aren't you blaming gm and doyle? closing the gm plant hurt a lot of businesses. and who do you think is going to pay for all these recalls?

"That being said, I have a very close relative who teaches 1st grade at a Janesville elementary school that has steadily increasing pooverty rate(20-47%) over the last 10 years, and she buys morning milk for almost half her class that cannot afford it for the last three years. Not because she has to , but because she cares about the kids, because she is a Phenomenal Teacher and because in Janesville and all over that is more the RULE than the exception!! "

Great for them fear..that's their prerogative, their own free will....no one forces them to do it.....dont cry about it if you volunteer to do such a thing.......tell these childrens' parents to stop voting for Democrats........

poobah-That $635 figure you quote is $3.50 a day. So that's the amount that Walker cut that is "ruining" education in Wisconsin?

Ted Lewis at LewisT@weac.org if you have questions about what he does for WEAC.

And Mr Lewis must you be reminded that it's not about kids it's about power according the NEA...National Education Association....

Here you go fear monger...the kids are just doing fine....it's the unions that are crying now and you know it........

http://blog.heritage.org/2011/07/02/nea-...

"The Governor undermines education, and sheds jobs. He needs to go."

Bull pucky............the unions need to......

Unemployment went from 7.3 to 7.1 in a month...the only jobs you, Mr. Fascist Ted Lewis, support are public sector unions jobs.......

@youkillme: you do realize that Walker is crushing every Democrat being suggested at running against him right now in preliminary polls, right? Walker will win. Maybe a million people signed a recall sheet, woo-hoo, but Barrett had over a million votes on election night and lost. Oh and that means over 4 million people did not sign and do support our governor. It probably is many of those same people that signed the recall effort.

I'm guessing you weren't one that voted for Walker last time and I know of quite a few people that did vote for Barrett and now are going to vote for Walker, because he is doing something great for WI. Face it all this is going to do is cost the state lots of money and there will be lots of political ads run and in the end nothing will change.

Not sure what everyone is going to do after Walker is re-elected. My suggestion...Go Home and let the people elected work without harassing them at every turn!

Tedsocialist Lewis

Smaller class sizes have nothing to with effectiveness. It's all about instructional strategy, something a lot of teachers struggle with. That's a big myth and a lie you and the rest of the communists preach....

"In many of the top-performing Asian countries average class sizes range from 40 to 50 students and more.  Teachers in those countries often want larger, not smaller class sizes so they can conduct a form of whole class or large group instruction vastly different from traditional lectures. Teachers ask students who have very different problem-solving strategies to present their strategies to the whole class, and the class discusses them.  The more variety in the strategies presented, the more likely that each student will see a strategy discussed that is like the one that student used, and the more likely that all the students will understand the underlying concepts.  It turns out that whether small classes or larger classes are best is mainly a matter of instructional strategy.  But, if the classes are larger, and the teacher/pupil ratio is the same, there is more time for teachers to plan, to work with individual students and to work with other teachers on improving the curriculum.  So it turns out that the Asian preference for large class sizes is one of the secrets of their success."

http://www.ncee.org/programs-affiliates/...

Teachers do not have their HC and retirement paid by the government. They pay their own through the part of their comp package that is not salary. The only way it is funded by the state is their entire package comes from taxpayer money.
Anyone who want other to make less because they do not make as much, is falling for Obama's socialist speak of "fairness". Fairness does not mean dragging everyone down to a low level, it means opportunity for everyone to raise themselves up.

Fear......Benefits concerning the public sector?? What benefits? A 2% employer match on a 401K contribution? Too funny! Yeah, including that will really cover the spread between private and public.........As far as the rest of your rambling, I've made it clear time and time again that I am completely against actual tax increases at ANY level until these governments--both state and federal--get the spending under control and get their fiscal houses in order. That includes property tax increases on poor to middle class people to help fund $90,000 public employee salaries as well as capital gains tax rate increases on millionaire investors to help fund another joke of a trillion dollar entitlement program. If you think that that is hypocrisy, then I guess your driveway never made it all the way to the garage.........

Why do people not push for those elected to office to step up & cut their own wages benefits & travel etc. How many of you get paid to drive to work?
Or have some one drive you on the tax payors dime >

Poop........I know it's "all about the kids" who will be forever traumatized by Walker's legislation right?? I'm sure you think it has nothing to do with maintaining their $90,000 salaries complete with full pensions and taxpayer funded HC premiums. If they were to bring that up it would be way too self serving, so stick with the "suffering kids" angle to push the "tax to the max" agenda--it plays over much better with the masses.
Thanks for coming clean on your deliberate lie and misrepresentation regarding the school supplies. There might be hope for you yet!:)

What time of day did this "rally" take Place? Were these people supposed to be working? Rather pathetic turnout if you ask me- I have had more people than that at my rummage sale at once. LOL.

zeuss..you have a choice to not line some CEO's pocket but you don't have a choice in taxes. That's the difference.

Small... parents do pay for their kids education through taxes. I for one don't mind kicking in for my grandkids education through taxes. For the thousands that we pay in taxes I'd rather see it go there than some CEO's pocket.

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Who paid for your education ?

Privatizing schools is the ultimate answer. Parents should pay for their child's education, not the taxpayer.

I forgot to add that the voucher program would create lots of jobs. It cost the State (us) $11,000 dollars per student to educate said student for 9 months (less)!!

Does that not shock you?!

WEA got fat and lazy (complacent) with Doyle, and are they mad that Walker is calling them out.

As for the State workers that never answer their phone calls, I simply can not support you. A leaner military is coming and so is a leaner Government. Privatize..Go Ron Paul and Go Walker.

Hey teachers, you do a good job. That being said I am a firm believer in privatizing schools with the voucher program and giving more aid to homeschooling. My kids go to a private school and are doing great.

This whole Walker recall started over one fact. The unions were mad. Get over it. Unions make people lazy. Seniority is everything. I find it ironic that all the people who hate the UAW (or should I say hated the former UAW) now want us to believe that a union for state workers is a good thing for Wisconsin citizens who have no affiliation with this union, other than see our tax dollars go to waste. Performance based economics people.No more seniority easy ride. Work hard each and every day. Put God back in the schools and put uniforms in the schools and take control of your kids education.

Tim Tebow was homeschooled against much negativity. Look how that turned out. Peace.

Go Walker.

truecitizen said, "I keep hearing about 'cuts' to schools also, but it is not well defined."
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Well, I hope the following link helps define for you the extent of Walker's budget cuts to education. $900 million! The largest per student decrease in state funding of all 50 states (-$635 per student).
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http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?tit...

Youkillme....that's because liberals stomp their feet and can't play by the rules. Conservatives knew Doyle was off his rocker, but they waited like good voting citizens to make a change at the election (scheduled election), rather than forcing a 'do-over' at the sensation of self-righteousness. Liberals complain and abscond from responsibilities when they don't get their way.

What an act! The statements made by these people are not even enough to be considered loose-associations. Enough with empty can rattling. This is meaningless. I hope the real people in this state make their stand when it counts. I have happily all but left my union. I am unsure if I can totally do so.
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Bring back business, accountability, freedoms, and an escape from socialism and bureaucracies, as Walker is doing! Why do monetary changes in the teacher's income (or output) affect the classrooms anyway? I keep hearing about 'cuts' to schools also, but it is not well defined. I think it's the union thugs having a last gasp.

A follow-up rally will be held at the clocktower in Rockford.

fear, sorry if the teachers I know are not representative of the average, but I do know many teachers who routinely spend $1500 per year. I specifically mentioned teachers I know, and I didn't represent that the amount spent by teachers I know was an average amount, simply because at the time I had no idea what the average amount of all teachers was. My sister is a teacher in a large metropolitan area and through her I have come to know a circle of friends that includes a couple principals and four teachers. I've not only listened to their discussions over dinner, but have been with my sister on more than one of her annual treks to the office supply stores. I've stood at the checkout counters as she offered to pay other customers to buy limited quantity items at deep sale prices so she could stretch her dollars.
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I was speaking completely from my personal knowledge when I made my statement and had no idea what the average amount spent by teachers is. You questioning my statement prompted me to research it though. As best as I can tell, the average amount varies between about $350 and $450 per teacher (of their own money). Teachers are also given another $500 on average by the PTA and other parents to spend. Seems the amount peaked in 1998-99 then headed down, actually, and has now headed back up as budgets are cut even more. I found stories that sound very similar to my sister and my teaching friends who spend $1200 to $1500 each year (of their own money). Here are some links if you're interested.
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95922&...
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http://www.kare11.com/news/article/93357...
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http://money.cnn.com/2010/08/24/news/eco...

My favorite line from this article:
"A local Republican Party official said the event amounted to an attempt to obstruct job growth."
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I swear on my Ronald Reagan Franklin Mint Limited Edition tableware set, that there line spoken above is solid gold. Patriots...that should be our new pat answer. Any opposition to Walker authoritarian rule, we respond with "that amounts to an obstruction of Job Growth tssk tssk".
So quaint little rally - obstructing job growth.
anything to help public education - that obstructs job growth.
questioning kickbacks to millionaires-obstruction of job growth.
Wondering why so many Walker aides get arrested-obstruction of Job Growth.
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It works for everything! Beautiful.

Mr Poobah- thanks for calling me to the table the other day for making a silly labeled remark that I should NOT have made. I deserved it. That being said I am about to call you out here for a touch(just a touch) of sensationalism.
"" knowing many teachers that spend thousands of their own dollars each school year"" coming from a family of teachers in poverty stricken districts and well to do dostricts, I am here to tell you that anything over a grand for most teachers is really high. In janesville most of them spend 200-300 a year, Milton about the same, and Milwaukee close to 500. If any teacher is spending ThOUSANDS, its because they have crazy elaborate plans for their classroom that they certainly dont need.
That being said, I have a very close relative who teaches 1st grade at a Janesville elementary school that has steadily increasing pooverty rate(20-47%) over the last 10 years, and she buys morning milk for almost half her class that cannot afford it for the last three years. Not because she has to , but because she cares about the kids, because she is a Phenomenal Teacher and because in Janesville and all over that is more the RULE than the exception!! These are the people that Wislady, fedup, 916, vato, kaysbrew, RAF , etc. continue to suggest dont deserve their salary. These are the people charged with holding up our education system so the next generation of Americansd wont be as pigheaded as the current one is.

Of course yoour income numbers for the median income dont include benefits and the teachers pay DOES include the nenefits 916, I am sure that was deliberate on your part. All that being said its pretty par for the course for you. I do find it funny that so many republicans talke about class warfare and jealousy of million and billionaires and how we should just leave those poor souls alone. BUT when it comes to a teacher with 30 years of community service educating children YOU want to play the calss warfare game with a guy who is educated and served for so long, acting as if that 93,000 slary and benefits makes him freaking Donald Trump!! Play the dont cry fir millionaires game , but demean teachers with alifetime of service class war game all you like, Ill just call you a hypocrite.

teapartysal, we don't need huge crowds any longer. But we had 40 more people show up than ever showed for a republican protest against the evil Jim Doyle. Wait, I forgot. There were no protests against Jim Doyle, only those that showed up on election day when he was no longer on the ballot. Now it's Walker's turn.

huge crowd.. NOT.. ok, now women and children are being attacked by Walker. What next? He eats little children for breakfast? UAW? Would those be the folks that promised my dad if went out on strike, he'd get his retiree health benefits? YEAH RIGHT... The UAW wasn't there for my Dad, and they sure weren't there to push my Chevy Chevette, Plymouth Horizon, Ford Fairmont, Ford Tempo or GMC truck whenever they got stuck on the side of the road.. which was often. The uaw can blow it out their ear for all I care.

Why do I get the sense that the folks here clawing down fellow working poor and middle-class wage earners are the same folks who will defend gazillionaires against a .5 tax increase?

That is right-o Patriot 9562M! And to think these folks want to tax the wealthy - Class Warfare I say! And while you are on the internets, you can also check out the outrageous perks that Walmart Greeters get. A 10% employee discount...no fair! You don't get any discounts do you?! Let's commandeer the motorized shopping carts and storm the gates!
http://walmartstores.com/Careers/7750.as...
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Once we make WI truly open for business we won't be makin it so cush for anybody. Not even my beloved desparate GOP-votin minimum-wage-makin Walmart Greeter will get this crap. Nope. We are talking about making WisKochsin into a 3rd world-katy bar the door, drillin-n-mining, gamblin casinos,poll-taxin, teacher-hatin,Ronald Reagan-abidin', Corporate-welfare-givin, toxic waste-dumpin, Bangledesh emulatin'. home-schoolin/charter schoolun, flag-worshippin, liberul-whuuppin, tricornered hat wearin', Beautiful-as-all-get-out OPEN FOR BUSINESS-Patriotic EXtravaganza! Beautiful

Macdaddy, we're going to put democracy to the test again and take care of the Walker problem. Hope you don't mind.

You can go online and see what public
employees are making. Check it out those of you who are unemployed.
Should we cry for the public employees?
The back lash is coming for the screaming vulgar complainers.
It is so good that it is finally being seen on TV news.

916WI said, "Pooh....I love it! The median HOUSEHOLD income in janesville is $45,961. Ty is out there at the rally complaining about how the budget cuts have affected his $93,000 income--probably pushing his union's "tax to the agenda" in an effort to continue to get his pension and HC premiums fully funded by those he makes twice as much as--and your defense is that he MIGHT buy some pencils and notebooks for some of his students, so it's all good! Awesome argument my clueless buddy:)"
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916WI, you often need to be held to account for your misquotes and deliberate lies and I'm about to do that right now. Below is a direct copy and paste of exactly what Trygve Danielson said, and nowhere does he mention how Walker's cuts have affected HIMSELF. He only mentions how it has affected the school...programs and students at the school. And I was talking about much more than a few pencils and notebooks for some of his students when I was talking about teachers spending thousands of their own dollars each year. Quit your deliberate lying and misrepresentation of the facts.
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A Janesville Parker High School teacher for nearly 40 years said "ill-conceived" budget cuts by Walker have hit his school hard in ways the general public may not see. "For example, we have one of the best choral departments in the state that was built under the direction of Jan Knutson and Brian Knutson," Trygve Danielson said. "Brian, who holds a doctorate, is no longer there due to budget cuts. "The teaching staff in that department has, in effect, been cut in half," he said. "That has a direct negative impact on students and their education."

@youkillme: the Republicans showed up and voted Walker and many other Republicans into office last November.

That is how democracy works.

Not interrupting speeches and acting like a fool beating drums and screaming. That is how we took care of the Doyle problem.

The funniest part of this, which isn't that funny at all. Is all the people who have full-time jobs making 50k+ as a state worker or teacher and are complaining about making less when 1 out of 9 people in Rock County are not working at all and would gladly take a little less to have their job.

It's called supply and demand. There is a large supply of workers, the demand is low, so why not lower wages for the time being and save taxpayers money? Sounds like basic economics to me. But maybe they had to cut that teacher and class at Parker too.

I believe there is time for wislady and the rest of the right wing zombies to wake up and see the light..... no I don't..........

Bless these people for standing up for what is right!

analert......How about the hundreds of thousands of Wisconsin citizens that showed up during the Prosser election-basically guaranteeing that Walker's legislation was implemented.......

Pooh....I love it! The median HOUSEHOLD income in janesville is $45,961. Ty is out there at the rally complaining about how the budget cuts have affected his $93,000 income--probably pushing his union's "tax to the agenda" in an effort to continue to get his pension and HC premiums fully funded by those he makes twice as much as--and your defense is that he MIGHT buy some pencils and notebooks for some of his students, so it's all good! Awesome argument my clueless buddy:)

realist
I thought the Journal Sentinel was a news source.
I have e subscriptions to many news sites. I can't help it if you chose not to read the link.

Handbooks replace union contracts in Wisconsin schools

http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/1...

Money has been cut from the federal level also, why not whine about that?

@totellthetruth- At the statewide Walker rally in Wauwatosa last week "hundreds" came to rally for Walker. Little old Rock County didn't do so badly by comparison, or by percentage. Also how about the 100,000 in Madison last February against Walker policies?

poo .... your last word probably sums that up.

916WI, knowing many teachers that spend thousands of their own dollars each school year on supplies and materials for their students that people like YOU are too cheap to buy, I'm sure Trygve spends much more of his income than you do on education. Why don't you add a little extra bit of your income to the pot?

Wislady I guess mouse trapped you?

"Janesville Parker High School teacher Trygve Danielson talks about how state budget cuts have affected his school"
Last year our activist Trygve collected a little over $93,000 in salary and benefits from the community. If he was seriously concerned with how the budget cuts affected his school, perhaps he could kick in a little of his income as a show of support??

forty people to support the democrats. Sounds about right. Must have been out in full force huh?

To bad people didn't make this much fuss when GM was pulling out of Janesville and moving to Mexico. Where were the rallies, the signs, and the President??? (since we owned 61% at the time). I can't remember any at all. If we had all the GM jobs we wouldn't be in this pickle at all. We would still have the tax base. GM would be paying for our garbage pick-up and most of our water and sewer. To bad we didn't fight to keep that.

VOTE FOR WALKER

Wislady,
I thought this whole union busting ordeal was because the state was broke? Well if the JEA offered money in exchange to have some say in the handbook wouldn't that help with the money issues until the contract expires?
"in exchange for influence on the future handbook"
Sorry, but that isn't how it works now.
Handbooks replace union contracts in Wisconsin schools"
Please do post an article from a newsource because you cannot form an opinion of your own and can only regurgitate the words of others in almost every single one of your post. It would be one thing if these articles you link had something to do with the topic at hand but most don't. Get a life. You are a loser that posts on this site thousands of times. Probably close to a hundred a day some days. you constantly complain about freeloader yet you sit on this site all day complaing while the whole time you are not working and too cheap to buy a paper. freeloader

One can make a case for why the state needs to cut costs, but school funding should be the one of the last. When was the last time you saw a school and thought "that school has just too much funding"? I hope I can find a school with too much funding when my kids need one. Are there any parents out there who disagree?

So, I guess what you apparently MEANT jmartin was "The Dems did not complain when Doyle ran things into the ground," TO THE EXTENT THAT I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE.

Just say what you mean man.

kidsfirst

"in exchange for influence on the future handbook"
Sorry, but that isn't how it works now.

Handbooks replace union contracts in Wisconsin schools
Aug. 13, 2011

"With the start of school approaching on Sept. 1, about two-thirds of Wisconsin's school districts are rushing to finalize employee handbooks to replace now-extinct collective bargaining agreements that for decades outlined duties and salaries for workers.

The passage of the state's new "Act 10" legislation - in effect for all districts that didn't extend a contract with teachers before the passage of the law - gives administrators the ability to make sweeping changes to teachers' pay scales, hours and working conditions without having to negotiate them with unions."

http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/1...

poobah-All my Lawrence Welk is on VHS tapes so I can enjoy him at any time. You should watch him once in a while, might take your mind off all your problems.

raystone said, "So, can any group with twenty people and a bullhorn get Stan Milam to show up ?"
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ray, I think you only need a bullhorn.

Is anyone aware that when protests were at their peak and under policies set forth by Jim Doyle, Wisconsin gained jobs? And, since Walker signed his class war budget bill into law, we have shed jobs for past six months.

Where were all the Republican protest rallies against Jim Doyle?

Jason Mielke should explain how this gathering is denying employment opportunities or obstructing the Republican pro jobs agenda. Be specific. Give examples of both the Republican pro jobs agenda ... comical ... and the obstruction.

Poor Richard, my friend, said, "poobah-Are you predicting the future now? Nowhere does it say there was any hostile reactions on site and that there was any Walker supporters even close to it."
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Yes, I was predicting the future albeit not going out very far on a limb with that one, Richard. As you can see from comments here already...hostile reactions. Aren't you missing your Lawrence Welk re-runs?

Theone, I guess I must have missed seeing all the recall Doyle signs and the state of Rock county speech in front of the job center. I will try to pay more attention in the future, thanks theone.

Ted,
How are classroom conditions deteriorating? Please provide some specific examples.
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How is he undermining education?
Please be specific.
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Where are the jobs being shed? Are the job losses in districts that had contracts in place before the changes or are they in districts that implemented the changes?
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Being that you are a union official, you should be truthful with the statements you put out there. It would not be fair to the public for you to make generalizations without providing the data to back it up.

jmartin....wrote..."The Dems did not complain when Doyle ran things into the ground,"

Oh yes we did.

But you won't acknowledge that because it doesn't play in to your bs babble now.

So, can any group with twenty people and a bullhorn get Stan Milam to show up ?

BTW Wislady, the JEA was ready to save the district $1.4 million as estimated by the insurance consultant (employed by the district) in exchange for influence on the future handbook. The District would prefer to pay current benefits over allowing the teachers to have any influence on that handbook. . . . just remember that we have made offers -- locally and in Madison.

poobah said-
"My hat is off to these courageous people for braving the cold, damp weather and certain hostile reactions from Walker supporters to "tell it like it is."
poobah-Are you predicting the future now? Nowhere does it say there was any hostile reactions on site and that there was any Walker supporters even close to it. I'm afraid you Dems don't get-We don't care about your "rallies" or the brave Dems out in the cold, damp weather. This has been going on over a year now and people are tuning out-Everyone of these gathering just put more people on our side-Oh by the way when Walker supporters "tell it like it is" I guess that means to tell the truth-Thanks

too bad all the union whiners can't be paid for whining. Damn, they would be rich!!!! Quit complaining and expecting the government to take care of you. SHAME on all of you!!!

Correction for the grammar police:
Your daughter...

"Melissa Rohrbeck of Janesville, a teacher in Beloit. She said she's unsure about the educational opportunities for her 2-year-old daughter."

Melissa,
You're a teacher. You're daughter has plenty of educational opportunities. Teach your daughter.

"Walker's attack on collective bargaining and public employees amounted to an attack on women and children in Rock County."
Why? Because:
"In Rock County, 70 percent of local government workers are women,"

This woman is clueless. Walker's so-called "attack" on collective bargaining wasn't done to spite the women that work for Rock County. In case this woman is not aware, there is a budget crisis in Wisconsin. Why this woman wanted to turn this into gender issue is beyond me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5JSToyiy...

The Dems did not complain when Doyle ran things into the ground, but then I guess Doyle didn't touch the public workers silver platters. Maybe thats why.

Bowlgal: Didn't you know, Democrats never fail they just blame others.

Times are tough. Why do you blame Governor Walker for one year in office vs the three years of President Obama? Do Democrats get more time fail?

Fourteen state legislators leaving the state for a period of time causing the government to stop. Doctors giving out false reports that some teachers were sick when they actually weren't so that the teachers could go to Madison and protest. Anti-walker forces who would rather bully mentally disabled kids to shout down a speech by Walker. I can go on but this website does not have the space.

"Janesville Parker High School teacher Trygve Danielson talks about how state budget cuts have affected his school during the rally."

How do the budget cuts affect his school when he's not at the rally?"

......and Wiscracker, how about paying back the money the public workers put into retirement plans and alike .... the investment they made was in place o.f fat wages like you got.
Once you pay back that investment - then maybe you can open your trap..... signed Mouse

nemesis: Care to give us the details of your accusation? If not, then I figure it isn't valid.

wislady ........ I take it your a 1% backer or even a 1%er?
Maybe you should pay your share instead of the 14%..... I suppose you put yours off shore too?

<YAWN> zzzzzz...zzzzzzzz

I got bumped as 1st poster by tedmlewis with a little help by his friends.

When I hear job-creating, I ask, "What kind of jobs?"

I believe there is still time for the teachers/unions in Janesville to implement the changes and start paying more for their OWN retirement and health insurance.

Anissa and her friends of union thugs have committed actions that are borderline criminal and at the least are childish. Then the left wing nuts have the audacity to claim the governor is too extreme. At least he stayed at his job.

Cry me a river. Next it will be Walker is causing people to die in the streets.

They better get a better turn out than that if they are going to recall Walker.

"Listening to the speeches was longtime Democratic activist Ten Kinneman of Janesville. He said he's not personally hurt by Walker's budget, but he feels compelled to support those who have been."
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My hat is off to these courageous people for braving the cold, damp weather and certain hostile reactions from Walker supporters to "tell it like it is." Special thanks to Anissa, Luis, Melissa and Trygve for the stories you shared and to Sam, Deb and Ted for your support! And to Jason Mielke, shame on you for for trying to characterize the effort as being symbolic of obstructionism.

"In Rock County, 70 percent of local government workers are women ...."
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Rock County local governments should initiate affirmative action policies to hire more men to balance the gender demographics of the county.
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I.E., fire 1/3 of the female employees of Rock County local governments and replace them with men.

With the Governor's education cuts, classroom conditions are deteriorating just when kids need more resources. The Governor undermines education, and sheds jobs. He needs to go.