""These folks were taught that responsibility is null and void because welfare will take them to the Promised Land....""
really? and again where is this knowledge of how folks are taught coming from? You seem to think you know what people are teaching each other, when in all reality all you do is make stupid , false generalizations that mean nothing, but unfortunately many middle lower class voting white people believe it and vote against their own interests and keep voting for anti-middle class republicans.
Your generalizations and assumptions are very shortsighted and bigoted and its a shame that the Gazette would even leave a racist post like that up. While sometimes we may kid Vato you really crossed the line with me, and I dont find your assertions remotely true, funny, or even close to any form of reality.
What hyperbolic conservatives like you do is to sensationalize the low percentage of black folks that have issues and project that using blanket statements about race as if THAT were a part if the problem when included in the "Welfare" debate. There are other races who have abused AFDC in the past vato and it hasnt destroyed any families based on skin color. The program has worked helping MILLIONS of families at least keep their heads abouve water in tough times, and allowing them to raise their children and then hopefully advance themelves in society.

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AFDC destroyed black families because it set the tone that people didn't have to work...
"" If that aint hyperbole and racism I don't know what is. You really should keep ridiculous opinions like that to yourself Vato. So AFDC destroyed black families because it "set the tone" that people didn't have to work? Really? What about white single parent families in tha same situation?(like my mother) What about Aisian families? Hispanics?
Trying to figure out why you singled out black families? You want to know why blacks and other minorities keep voting for Dems? Its because of bigots on the right that make such stupid blanket statements like that one like they are standing on a soap box or on some moral high ground, you are no better than a single mother who stays home, gets help, and raises her kids. Why cause you "work hard" you have given yourself some kind of ability to see whats going on in the black family?
See your ignorance is so damn simplistiic and thick headed I don't know why I bother. Let me see, should a single mom abandoned by the father go wait tables for nothing, never be home, still get food stamps , not raise her kids and have ZERO diposable income, just so you can talk about people working? Raising responsible capable children is far more important than the measely AFDC that they recieve. Breaking the cycle of poverty and despair is the most important. It happened in my Family(white) and has happened in millions of black families all across the nation for decades now. Your ignorance on this subject like many others seems to be rooted in hate, and I wonder what makes you so angry and hateful? Its people like you that drove me from conservatism, because it has become a movement of greedy selfish, hateful people, that just want the poor and minorities to just disappear. It came down to being a humane human being or being some ignorant selfish greedy robot. I think on judgement day I will be good.

RAF- did you know that we already have reading screeners for kindergarten?
Just thought I'd mention it because when someone crafts legislation to do what is already in place, his ignorance is showing. . . . Would have been a reasonable move to get actual review and input from the experts.

Ezoner you sooooo missed the point. Unveiling and pressing legislative action does not mean that the proposed legislation reflects the recommendations of the task force. Superintendent Evers is honestly informing the public that he has not seen the proposed actions.

Second point you missed: in Feb. & March, 2011, before ACT 10 was forced through using less than WI standards of process, tens of thousands of people wished to communicate with Gov. W. He refused. Unions agreed to pay into their pension funds and health insurance in exchange for keeping their bargaining rights and having some influence on working conditions. Gov. W. said, "No." It has been less than a year since he began his press to destroy unions in WI. People want leaders who will work with them, not against them.

I see words like treason, acts against the state etc.... IN my opinion, the union demands are treason, collective bargaining is extortion, and throwing money at a failing model of public education should be criminal. The complainers on this site are either not very smart or are only interested in their own pocketbooks. They are not interested in the best educational solution. I see the Superintendent complaining -- yet he was on all 3 task forces. Therefore, he had plenty of time to contribute and offer solutions. If he sat back and did nothing, then I woould see where he would want a review. Our public system is failing nationwide and needs a major overhaul. The question will be what to change.

Not everyone has to agree with him, but he derives his authority from the people. If the majority no longer support him-out!

"Walker was elected by the people and is to do right by the People. Why should it be only him and the GOP deciding what is right for this state and THE PEOPLE IN IT???? To disrupt sovereignty in a state is against the law and is considered TREASON"
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Interestingly he is doing right by the majority that voted for him. The claim you make is utterly absurd, please provide the name of any politician that ALL voters agreed with. I'll wait...................

AFDC has not been around since 1996. It was replaced with TANF (Temporary Aid for Needy Families). A client has to be more accountable than with AFDC.....

Mark my words - Scott Walker (and his tea party cronies) are out to destroy public education. First - defund it. (done). Second - mandate more items that have been defunded (like reading, see article above). Third - create "accountability standards" that are nearly impossible to reach (again - see article above). Fourth - when schools can't make such standards, declare they are "failing" and "reform" is needed. That reform will come in the package of private companies taking over schools and schools becoming "for profit" enterprises. Wisconsin had arguably the best public education system in the country a couple years ago. We are falling fast. Walker has been recalled - he must not be re-elected - for the sake of our children and our state.

Who's Jesus, he was a carpenter. One could speculate that he was union, he did walk on water you know. Newt is in a three way to be the "CONSERVATIVE " representative of the republican party in the upcoming presidential election. Priceless,wislady newt got your vote?

I like it when fearrhetoric posts, I save all sorts of time skipping over the novels he/she writes. Most of the time the person who talks the most says the least.

RECALL WALKER!

So let me get this straight? No details have been released of the proposed bill, nor has the State Superintendent seen any details and for all he knows the bill could contain pretty much everything he and the rest of the groups worked on? So if there is really no hard evidence to say the bill is good or bad other than something is coming then how can anyone honestly say anything good or bad about what we don't know yet? I get a kick out of how people make something out of nothing when no real information is known at this time. Wait until the information is released then form an opinion. For all we know, this proposed bill could be the best thing for Wisconsin education! Lets wait until we actually see the big bad wolf before the crying starts! Just a thought anyways!

"He then stripped the Unions of their rights"

Inaccurate.....he curtailed SOME of their "rights".

"In case all of you conservatives forget this is the golden ruleas taught by Jesus:"

who's Jesus? oh yeh, that guy you pay every week in hopes of a promise land. sounds like a union, or a cult. or maybe it's the guy who does my landscaping.

If you wanna spew religious garbage to us "conservatives", you might wanna check to see if we care. it's your god, not mine.

RAF,,So the superintendents duties are directed by the laws. He does not make the laws. So for those that think it should only be him deciding what happens you have a big step ahead of you...amend the constitution or better yet learn what is says first before making comments,
How does it feel when the very ones he has attacked Will not hear him as he would not listen to them nor be willing to compromise with the Teachers Union? They did agree to paying their part and this was not enough for the greedy Scooter, He then stripped the Unions of their rights, and targeted every program that will help the less then, he refused to hear anything that WE had to say, BUT I BET HE HEARS US NOW...
Walker was elected by the people and is to do right by the People. Why should it be only him and the GOP deciding what is right for this state and THE PEOPLE IN IT???? To disrupt sovereignty in a state is against the law and is considered TREASON please look it up and read the definition as Scott Walker is guilty of the entire definition. The few supporters of him, NEED TO HEAR and ACCEPT THE REALITY THAT WALKER HAS BEEN RECALLED as to HIS ACTIONS AGAINST THIS STATE,

"So pleae tell me your solution for the families that have young kids in poor areas where fathers desert their kids/wives? Should the mother be left with no money, no ability to care for her children? And how does supplying some food and monetary aid to poor families with kids ruin the schools? "

Ask these folks in Milwaukee why they keep voting for Democrats?

These folks were taught that responsibility is null and void because welfare will take them to the Promised Land....

AFDC destroyed black families because it set the tone that people didn't have to work...

Or Ken Hendricks......high school dropout...I tell you, the left drools and has crushes on educated people..I don't understand it....

We still trail other countries in education yet they spend less per pupil.....

There is necrosis of the highest order in our education system..it's called the union education model...

UW Prof Solicits His Students for Help on Political Project While They Await Their Final Grades

MacIver News Service | January 20, 2012
Joel Rogers Says College Credits May Be Available to Those Who Help Build Liberal Alternative to ALEC

[Madison, Wisc…] One of the University of Wisconsin’s most renowned liberal professors attempted to recruit his students to work on an elaborate private political project while final grades in their class were pending, the MacIver News Service has learned.

http://maciverinstitute.com/2012/01/uw-p...

Big Labor Monopoly Power Won in Ohio but Workers and Taxpayers are Losing
On January 19, 2012, By NRTW Committee Staff

"In Wisconsin, Governor Walker’s public union reforms are pummeling the Big Labor narrative by saving taxpayer dollars and teachers’ jobs. Meanwhile, the professional class-warriors who get rich pushing “solidarity” force districts into layoffs by refusing to revisit unaffordable contracts.

After similar reforms failed in Ohio thanks to a smear campaign exceeding $30 million, Ohio’s public workers are enjoying the sort of union victory that’s often accompanied by a pink slip."

http://www.nrtwc.org/big-labor-monopoly-...

6. Elect a college drop-out to one of the most important political positions in Wisconsin. (That needs to be mentioned more than once.)- Easy one - Bill Gates vs, Joe Biden - Joe graduated from university of Delaware and received a law degree from Syracuse yet one of the dumbest individuals to ever walk erect. The guy can't stand & talk at the same time without saying something stupid. Then again, he is the poster boy for organized labor.

Here is a state in serious financial trouble. Had Wisconsin reelected the democrats in 2010, this is where Wisconsin was headed.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/01/19/t...

Read some comments. Taxpayers and business are looking for another Scott Walker.

4. Eliminate collective bargaining and the few benefits (retirement contributions and health care contributions) that teachers have had in exchange for a salary that hasn't kept up with cost of living increases since the 90s with Governor Thompson. - and tell me again who was Gov. during this period which you refer to? That's right, Diamond Jim with a D behind his name - the poster boy of WEAC

1. Elect a college drop-out to one of the most important political positions in Wisconsin. - So, being WI voters did that then they/we are ALL i-d-i-o-t-s as you say?

The phone calls have started for the rep. party to fight for top dog
(Both partys) should not be calling

@retiredairforce (retired public employee) you need to do more research as well. State statutes as well as the constitution provide specific duties and authority to the state superintendent. In fact, back in the 1990s when gov. Thompson tried to circumvent the state supterintendent and mess with education issues in Wis., the supreme court smacked him (Tommy) unanimously back to his corner.

""The state superintendent shall be chosen by the qualified electors of the state"" unfortunatley this part of the law is left up for econd guessing, because Walker's "qualifications" are questionable at best.

Hmmm so what exactly are the rules here?

From the Wis Constitution:
"Superintendent of public instruction. SECTION 1. [As amended Nov. 1902 and Nov. 1982] The supervision of public instruction shall be vested in a state superintendent and such other officers as the legislature shall direct; and their qualifications, powers, duties and compensation shall be prescribed by law. The state superintendent shall be chosen by the qualified electors of the state at the same time and in the same manner as members of the supreme court, and shall hold office for 4 years from the succeeding first Monday in July. The term of office, time and manner of electing or appointing all other officers of supervision of public instruction shall be fixed by law."

So the superintendants duties are directed by the laws. He does not make the laws. So for those that think it should only be him deciding what happens you have a big step ahead of you...amend the constitution or better yet learn what is says first before making comments.

A recipe for the downfall of public education in Wisconsin:
1. Elect a college drop-out to one of the most important political positions in Wisconsin.
2. Eliminate the requirement that school districts employ a reading specialist while at the same time publishing the READ TO LEAD program to increase reading achievement.
3. Lead the nation in cuts to education which has affected class size, money for quality curriculum materials, etc. which has a direct impact on student learning.
4. Eliminate collective bargaining and the few benefits (retirement contributions and health care contributions) that teachers have had in exchange for a salary that hasn't kept up with cost of living increases since the 90s with Governor Thompson.
5. Add additional hoops for new and veteran teachers and principals to jump through to meet certain requirements that educational experts, like Evers, weren't given any final input.
6. Elect a college drop-out to one of the most important political positions in Wisconsin. (That needs to be mentioned more than once.)
7. Watch QUALITY new and veteran teachers move to another state or leave the profession due to steps 1 - 6 above.

Yep. Sounds like a solid plan. I-d-i-o-t!!!

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
"Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
"Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
"Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
"Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
"Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you."
(Matthew 5.3-12 ESV)

This may be my favorite passage of all, everything that the current Governor and many of his supporters are not. And many of them claim to be christians, I say in name only, certainly not by practice.

Onelife2live, I too had a child go to private school and public school. there are pluses and minuses to both. But overall, the teachers at the public schools made the difference. They were better qualified than the private schools, which makes sense since they are paid more. The private school had high turnover and inexperienced teachers, and the older teachers were entrenched and had no where else to go.
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We have a reasonable class size at the public school. Now I hear Janesville grade schools have over 30 kids in a class, under the budget cuts. That is pushing it, and not good for education. It's almost like Walker wants the public schools to fail.

In case all of you conservatives forget this is the golden ruleas taught by Jesus:

All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye so to them; for this is the law and the prophets.
Matthew 7:1
Matthew 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven

Mark 8:34-37 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel’s, the same shall save it. For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Who knows maybe if we just eliminate AFDC all the poor people will just all starve to death, or just eliminate each other, save us the trouble. Think of the education numbers then!! vato and the rest of the bigots would be in heaven!

wislady=Rhetoric machine, not worth addressing,

onelife2live- That is your right, I attended public schools and have an advanced degree as did my wife. What happoened to personal reponsibility? Public school is what you make of it, if you have solid parenting, youll excel, unless you just dont want to.
As far as Christian school? My kids can learn about religion in church, and make their own decisions on faith when they get older. Remember Your Christian God would advocate for poor kids getting the same Health care and education as your kids, not segregation based on socio-economic status. So many of you bible thuumping Christians forget about the actual teachngs of Jesus Christ and forget the golden rule.

I would also point out to anyone that wants to have the argument about Public v private schools. That in Wisconsin, public school teachers outperform their private counterparts, despite demographics and "whining" by stupid people. To say that public teachers are whining is STUPID!! Why don't you excersise some of your Christian values and go volunteer in an inner city elementary school for a few days, I do , maybe then you could have some perspective.

wislady Walker has been recalled so that says he is not wanted as govenor. While the Votes are verified He should not make ant decisions for this State as he will be recalled as the VOTES ARE THERE.Why should any educated person want to work with a person that is against education and wants to destroy the educational systems that have worked for years. He wants to make teachers accountable and yet he is the worst person to bring this up,as he has never himself been held accountable for all he has done against this state and the hard working people in it. As said in a few posts Walker himself said he would not compromise nor negotiate, His way was the only way, IMO He is not entitled to make any decisions or demands as to this State as he is recalled. Any other person that would be in this position whether legal or subject to dismissal of a position would not be allowed to continue to make decisions that could and would do more harm. He is either the most arrogant IDIOT I have ever seen or he is the dumbest, as any other person that had twice the needed recall signatures, IMO, would walk away with a little dignity, But not Walker, he is so about himself that he can't see the truth to his madness and denial, HE JUST DOES NOT GET IT !!!!! How anyone can sit and think this guy has any clue is beyond me. If I was him I would admit defeat and go hame to my wife and kids. They have to be humiliated with all this. Enough said. 1 plus million have a clue.

I send my kids to a private school. Why? Results. Dedication. And the teachers never cry about their lack of pay raises as it is all about the children and God. Check out St. Paul's people. Well worth the money. My older two kids went to Janesville public schools, and man, what a difference with my younger two.

Public schools, I would go for the manadatory uniform and put God back in the schools. And yes I mean our Christian God. Peace.

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Thank AFDC for all those issues in school....what was the return on investment on distributed AFDC funds......
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AFDC(Aid for Families with Dependant Children) thats responsible for the failure of schools in poverty stricken areas? Pretty bad even for you vato. So pleae tell me your solution for the families that have young kids in poor areas where fathers desert their kids/wives? Should the mother be left with no money, no ability to care for her children? And how does supplying some food and monetary aid to poor families with kids ruin the schools? Again REALLY out of touch on your par and showing why you are such a hard right wing weirdo. Like most far-right wing lunatics, out of touch with reality. Using hard work as some kind of rhetorical punchline, and ignoring harsh realities. The drug/poverty issue is just one small fraction of the problem. But again to link AFDC with poverty stricken schools and wanting teachers evaluated based on that is par for the course for you.

Why not have an honest discussion about the idiocy of these people trying to forward an agenda and making changes/reforms to a system here in Wisconsin that is working. Instead just make unwarranted attacks on families that NEED assisstance.
Coming from a single parent home of a mother that recieved AFDC, I am tremendously offended by your STUPID comment. My mother was left at age 25 with 3 children age 5, age 2 and age 9 months. My father virtually disappeared. She raised 3 boys (all successful college grads) on her own and went back to MATC and has been in the same career for 20+ years. So you can take your stereotypes and stick em where the sun doesn't shine.

egalindo, you have pretty well covered it. Even the the most diehard of his followers should see something bizarre in his actions towards the educational system and the people. He does not even consult the Superintendent of Public Eduacation.

Hey tea partiers and so-called libertarians* Sounds like Scotty wants to meddle in your local schools. Politician wants to take over education. What sort of freedom is that?
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Thing I notice about libertarians, they like to tout what the utopian virtues of libertarianism, but pick and choose when those virtues apply.- apparantly any proclamation from Scott Walker, the dimwitted college dropout gets an exemption from libertarians.

1) The disconnect between Walker and the current morale of the state is evidence of his _________:
A) being on the psychotic disorder spectrum
B) being driven my out of state priorities and interests
C) sadistic puppy-kicking evil
D) personal unresolved issues; desires to portray education system as a failure rather than see himself as a dropout
E) my way or the highway attitude (egoism, immaturity & stupidity)

"WHat else would you suggest we do for the poorest kids in drug stricken/ no parent homes? Just take more funds because their schools cannot make the grade?"

Thank AFDC for all those issues in school....what was the return on investment on distributed AFDC funds......

Dislady, you meant to say Governor Walker denounces education. He is the AntiGovernor.

Education and the weasel in the same phrase is truly an oxyMORON! Recall the puppet!

.....or hire a plumber to wire your home? Some folks will never get it no matter how you make the case, they only hear what they want to and will defend faulty logic till their blue(red) in the face.

Legislation written by people who do not teach is what created the horrendously irrational No Child Left Behind Act in the first place. The next time you need investment advice, ask any random retail clerk. And when you want to know about the best practice in cancer treatment, ask your CPA. Not working with the people whose greatest expertise is in best practice in education, people who make it their business to know the research and what works . . . Erghhh. I'm out of this one.

Oh thats right Kidsfirst like the AMA and health care? NO we listen to insurance companies instead, this is just another case of flawed logic.
The only thing that republicans have is telling you to watch "Waiting for Superman" a total propaganda piece, and yet when you ask them to watch documentaries by Mike Moore and its automatically left wing drivel no matter how much truth is involved.

I have an Idea, lets take all of the teachers in Waukesha/Whitefish Bay schools and the test scores of the kids in those schools. Then the next year we'll rotate them to poverty stricken Milwaukee districts. If they are so wonderful at their jobs then the cores should remain the same right?
Look the guy is cutting over a billion dollars from public education, he really is in no position to be calling for any kind of reforms. The problem is that the main people that have no problem with the destruction of public education are the wealthy people with kids in private schools and the empty nesters who have no dog in the fight, other than not wanting to pay a dime in tax money into the schools.
TCB- The whole "just throw money at it" argument is just BS. WHat else would you suggest we do for the poorest kids in drug stricken/ no parent homes? Just take more funds because their schools cannot make the grade? Let me ask you then take all of the districts close by with HIGH test scores and move those teachers to the "failing" district, then you and others will understand that the "failing" education system isnt about failing teachers, its about demographics, and failing families. Which I actually thought was a republican value, families. I guess it only matters if you can afford to send your kid to a private school.

So, if the state or federal government were writing legislation about health care provisions, would you expect them to listen to medical experts?

Sounds more like Walker being an under acheiver or being mentally challenged in school, caused him to have a hate mentality for all education. I think what threw him over the top was being caught cheating in college.
(Retaliation) This is not just a National goal for Republicans to attack education, but a personal vendetor

Using the words “Walker” and “education” in the same phrase is hilarious.

I think everybody can agree we need the best schools we can have, but really is scooter the best person to lead this effort. We are going to entrust our schools and children's futures w/ this cheater/dropout. A good executive would realize his limitations. Also, our schools will not improve until parenting and in school discipline improves. The best teachers cannot teach undisciplined misbehaving children with parents that enable their bad behavior.
Wanker has got to go!!!!

You have that right badger2, it is unbelievable, like a bad dream!

Little known fact: The "new" education system requires forced labor for kids as young as 5. Small fingers are excellent in assembling electronics! So there is a whole other labor pool to exploit. Plus, they'll learn to be good little workers, content with what corporate entities give them! That's a joke by the way.

Governor Walker Announces Education Reform Legislation

http://walker.wi.gov/journal_media_detai...

julie--Do you really think she can become any more damaged? That's just scary.

I feel bad for Wislady she is so wrapped in republicans good democrats bad mentality, it makes worried what will happen to her mental health if Walker is recalled.

If this isn't enough to convince the Walker lovers that he wants to be dictatorial I guess nothing will.

NV,

So you prefer the status quo? Gotcha! We will count you as no change needed.

Hopefully you say the same thing about Vegas public schools. No changes needed-only more money! Thats a prescription that has worked wonders isnt it!

WISLADY Once again is not being truthful about Evers - kinds of fits with those that support WALKER though. SO WRONG AGAIN!!! AND AGAIN!!! Walker is a college dropout and does not have a clue about what to do with education - EXCEPT take away more money than any other state.

So teachers in Whitefish Bay will be absolutely top notch, while Beloit teachers will be greatly lacking. This guy knows absolutely nothing about education.

Wislady..... before you slobber too much, maybe you need to get an education.
I bet you never finished school.

juliew

Then he needs to work for the children and not the unions.

The Dark Ages just called. They want scott walker and his servant, wislady, to report back to their proper place in history.

DANGER! DANGER!DANGER! DANGER!DANGER! DANGER!

When do parents get to be evaluated for the product they send to the classroom?

A college dropout accused of academic cheating is making school policy laws?....if it wasn't really happening a person couldn't even make this stuff up!

"Why would Tony Evers be asked anything..."
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Gee wislady, it might have something to do with the fact that he is the SUPERINTENDENT OF WISCONSIN'S SCHOOLS AND IT'S HIS JOB! Do you think Mr. Evers should be doing Walkers job of running the state ("running the state" is open to interpretation)? Just for future reference, you may want to stop and think of what you are posting before you select "post comment"?

He wants to evaluate teachers on students' performance. Any teacher who has the audacity to catch and/or reprimand a student for cheating will be summarily dismissed from employment.

I believe it was scooter who made it clear he was unwilling to work with anybody ("no compromises").
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I'm sure that college drop out/kicked out scooter thinks he knows better than those who have been professionally involved in education. The only input he needs is his marching orders from his puppet masters.

Wislady Tony Evers was elected by the people of Wisconsin to be the state superintendent, i would assume he would be responsible for implementing the law/reform.

Right. He wants transparency in education. He just doesn't want any in government...at least not as long as his "bomb-dropping" administration lasts. Once he is gone, he'll become a cheerleader for see-through government, too. This nut-job has to go before he destroys EVERYTHING.

"As with many things in the year since Gov. Walker took office ... we are very concerned that the rhetoric he uses"

Bell has alot of room to talk nobody spews more rhetoric than weac!

Why would Tony Evers be asked anything, he already made it clear he was not willing to work with Governor Walker.