Oh wait I see this one too, Obesity and health issues are due to a failure in education? Our health care system is a perfect example of how rhetoric is ussed to confuse people into believing the thieves that continue to get rich off of obesity and many other health problems. Far from a problem with public education when folks dont take care of themselves. I would say that republican Gov Chris Christie is a very educated man, and extremely overweight. So where is the disconnect here? Sigma?

Let me guess , the kids that have no home life in urban areas because Mom and Dad are drug addicts, are dragging the economy down right? They should self educate and pull themselves up by their bootstraps. When they live in shelters , witness drug use, get involved in Gangs, that is all a failure of eduaction right? Their parents got addicted to crack because they were failed by education right?
Oh I suppose that teenage pregnancy is a lack of education as well! I mean you can educate kids away from their hormones right? Just tell em to use prophilactics,and everything else will work out. If not then it must be teachers failing their students.
What other social problems could you blame on education? My God your condescention and unintelligent gobbledy gk amazes me. The problem in this nation is that there are millions just like you that buuy that whole line of crap and want to blame the education system for their own lack of success and plethera of problems in life.
I know this is way off the article topic, but never in my life have I ever seen someone so off based on a specific issue. I had to respond. As screwed up as this country is right now we still provide more college grads to the world than any other nation. I would like to see some improvements , but some people will say anything to degrade an issue they have nothing at all to argue on. I have argued education on this site with far more pretentious people than simga , and have never been so burned up by a post. So full of generalized crap I could just explode!! I always get tons of private messages when i rant like this, so bring em on! I am done.(frustrated)

Sigma- If you take a break from all the rhetoric for a minute you might be able to actually have some tangible arguments. Otherwise blaming education for every social problem is pure rhetoric and TRASH!!
The problem is that you sir want to keep spinning that kind of BS and the only solution to the education issue in this country is to cut pay and benefits for those charged with the most important jobs in society? How will that solve anything? Do you have any solutions that arent rhetoric based? Any?

Sigma- That was one of the funniest, most ridiculous, rhetoric filles paragraphs of crap I have ever seen! Nothing in that paragraph read nothing of education, almost completely of peoples failure to use judgement and common sense! Unfortunately EDUCATION in America doesnt have a responsibility class, or a commonsense class. You cant just blame every social issue on peoples lack of education.
Divorce? relate that to education? Hmmmm laughable! Debt and defecit? You are talking about a nation with a GDP of almost 20 TRILLION dollars, and you are trying to tell me because our political system is filled with greedy mmoney laundering corporatists, that is a failure of education? Because millions of Americans may not be as brilliant as you aparantly are about the American tax code that they are a part of the failure of the Educational system?
The BIGGEST reason the economy is in the toilet is because a lot of very brilliant , very greedy , very selfish , "job creators" figured out how to make the laws (buying policy through donations) and move middle class jobs overseas. Those same brilliant , most educated among us figured out how to get the Government of GWB to lift banking regulations so they could allow banks to leverage borrowed dollars vs cash on hand to over a 1000 to 1 (it used to be 8-16 to 1) essentially stealing trillions of dollars and then convince the same group of corrupt politicians to bail them out with YOUR tax dollars, genius!!

fearandrhetoric4dummies - "Please provide tangible proof of our "failed" educational system."
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Are you for real? Walk outside your door. Read this website. We fail to practice open communication between govt and the people. Also miscommunication is likely how a lot of fights start. You have "tax service" places because people cant do their own taxes. You have the obesity epidemic because people cant take care of themselves. Look at our economy....enough said on that. Look at our city they way its financially ran and the decisions they make. We now have businesses made for dealing with peoples' debt. If you claim ownership to the words deficit or debt... that is fail. Look at the divorce rate (largely communication problem), Look at the English people use. Are you telling me that the majority are smart and aced math, accounting, economics, financing, phy-ed, health, English, communications...etc... and then one day just became dumb and forgot it all? No.... we failed to ever emphasize the importance of knowing it and applying it from the beginning. If you need websites and statistics to show our education systems failure... you are a perfect example of it. No offense.

Several patrons with CCW permits will help.

That bar is a trash hole. It always has been. Shut it down.

"Of course in a city like Janesville with the type of anti-public education zealots we have on our school board, the mentality here doesnt surprise me what so ever."

The teachers union wants yes men and women, who approve of everything they (union) want. Once you negate what the teachers want, you get labeled as an education hater, kid hater, school hater, job killer. You cannot have yes men all the time. I find myself saying NO to my daughter many times when she wants something, does this mean I do not love her? NO, I get her what she needs not what she wants or desires just because.

Balancing budgets, laying off personnel, and streamlining services is anti-education? The union's role is to preserve their existence to promote the liberal agenda by funneling money to politicians who back them up.

Using your way of thinking, then businesses who consolidate departments, layoff people, etc. are anti-business?

I don't see how the police are picking on this place considering 42% of all bar calls for disorderly conduct and battery are to this place. I hope they just go along with the suggestions and clean the place up. Otherwise, give me back Janesville Sports Shop. Yes, I visited that establishment in that building. Miss it too.

You had time to comment 4 times about the bar today sigma!

Please provide tangible proof of our "failed" educational system. As I am more than equipped to have that debate. Post statisticsand conservative website links, have eem them all and heard them all and LOVE ripping themm to shreds. Certain parts of society education/public safety are a little more dynamic than many talking heads would have you believe. I am not one for rhetorical arguments. Of course in a city like Janesville with the type of anti-public education zealots we have on our school board, the mentality here doesnt surprise me what so ever.

Yeah Sig- Just had a rough past, and not afraid to admit it. Bar fights are not always the result of one individual, many times its being in the wrong place at the wrong time. A great example of the "wrong" place is Quotes!
Cant train people to be logical, they certainly try to ,and for the most part police are VERY logical. As to the general danger of the position, I challenge you to name a local profession that faces more unpredictable danger on a daily basis. ALso, we can agree on the payment of officers FAR too low for the job they do. But we will vehemently disagree on the quality of our police force here in Janesville.
The military gets paid to protect and serve as do the police, not apples to oranges at all.
Also Police officers may recieve a paycheck to do the job they do, but I believe they dont pick the profession to get a paycheck. Maybe we should privatize the police so we could pay them more?(Sarcasm)
If you want to stay on the subject I am fine with it, but follow your own rules. Your statement on our "failed" education system just makes me want to spit nails. The people that continue to use that line get it from talking heads and have no real idea of the success of our education related to demographics and MULTIPLE other factors. Black and whitre conservative thinkers that want to look at schools like a balance sheet are the ones that want to paint with a broad brush, very inaccurately I might add.
Your general disdain for police and firefighters on this thread alone speaks volumes. If the police are a failure and the educational system is a failure, what are your solutions to the percieved "problems" that both seem to cause , outside of rhetoric and hyperbole?

tbov - Duh.. they just posted that story at 8:59 this morning. This story has been up since Wednesday.

Thats another reason why the education system has failed. Self discipline and having the ability to make a logical decision in a heightened state of anxiety is nowhere within anyones grasp. A lot of people think and react too emotionally. If people practiced self discipline and then had someone call their significant other a lint licker, they wouldnt go into a defensive emotional state... they's simply ignore it, dismiss it, and walk away. But no.. you have people that get defensive and act on emotion... It takes 2 to have a conflict. Like the great gambler always says.. you have to know when to hold em, know when to walk away, and know when to run. Unless you're blind sided or jumped there is always an out.
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fearandrhetoric4dummies - involved in multiple bar fights is not a result of circumstance. Though I dont know you and cant judge... unless you hung out at the Roadhouse.... I'd think you'd be able to avoid some of them...??

You have 83 comments about a bar and one comment about a boy who got a purple heart for us. Says alot about this town!!! We should be proud (not)!

Sigma40 - You said "Some are good at what they do and can make logical decisions.You cant train someone to act and think logically."
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If a majority of idiots we are speaking about causing the problems in this story didn't act the way you just described, we wouldn't have these problems and need as many cops now would we. You just described the general public and didn't even realize it.

Some are good at what they do and can make logical decisions.. I know some cops arnt. You cant train someone to act and think logically... So "just" because they are a police officer doesnt make them any different from anyone else. They do it for a pay check... a small one on top of it. If we paid them better maybe we could get better cops, ones capable of thinking. And then we wouldnt need so many. As for putting themselves in harms way... do you know how many dangerous jobs are out there? A police officer is no where near the top.
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My opinion on the military? no comment.. dont want to deviate too much from the story like we already are...lol. and thats like comparing apples to oranges.

Gald to hear you are a happy drunk Sigma, good for you. Unfortunately many are not. Especially young men over consuming alchohol trying to impress young ladies in a tavern situation.
I am not at all proud of the fact that I have been involved in a few bar fights. However I will tell you from experience they can escalate ver quickly, and become very dangerous.
Your comment about the JPD not being brave is just silly. You must be brave to be a police officer. You enter into many life-threatining unknown situations dealing with endless variables. These people choose this line of work , but their choice is a brave one to "protecet and serve" the community and keep us safe from lawbreakers and many other dangerous people that make bad choices with their lives. So because they get a paycheck that gives you the right to be condescending and critical? BTW I am fine with criticism, when warranted. Stop looking for reasons to be critical. If an officer is reported for say taking a bribe, or possible being intoxicated on the job, or something that is a direct detriment to their job, then be critical. Making excuses for a tavern that attracts bad people as if it is the police officers fault is abhorrent. The police have my utmost respect for protecting me and my family from the lowest common denominators in society. while I understand they are far from perfect, I think that they are some of the bravest people in society for the daily grind that they deal with. Contrary to what you think they arent just pulling people over for speeding all day long. Many of them are also former military, would you say that members of the military are brave? YES of course you would. And why? Because they make a choice to protect and serve. The military gets paid, and there are always reports of terrible things that our troops do overseas. Do you hold the same scrutiny for them?
Accountability is one thing , but to somehow say that officers arent brave because we pay them, is just a ridiculous cop out.

spark - reason I ask for details is that 42% of police calls.... I would think i would have read about stuff in the gazette... No. I'd like to know if all 42% were fights, did they result in injury? Was it just a heated argument that the cops on the corner came over and called that as a "call"? 42% of how many calls??? Again we see percentages without full figured = meaningless. I could call you a cotton headed ninnymuggins and that could be a disorderly conduct. My friend gave another girl flowers once in front of her boyfriend and she got mad... he got a disorderly conduct for it. DC can be anything. How many DC tickets and how many batteries? thats what I want to know.... Not the details of the fights....duh.
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Why do you refer to the JPD as brave folks? They are workers doing a job we pay them to do. Any line of work can be questioned. Just because they are police does not rule out the fact they are human and act human with a personality. Im questioning because there is no details to go with the story.
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have i been in a bar fight? other than a girl trying to hit me once, ha... at Quotes.. but this was about 8 years ago. She was wasted and dilusional....no I have not been in a bar fight. Im a happy person while drinking. That is kind of irrelevant though.
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Seriously though... I thought the place has turned 180 degrees from where it was a few years back.
I know the smokers all congregated out on the sidewalk. How many problems stemmed out of that crowd? And since it was outside on the sidewalk was that considered to be Quotes?
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And as far as Mrs. carpenter being a drunk... Who cares? So she drinks. Ive never seen her tend bar in a bad way, she gives me my correct change and makes a good drink. What more do you need?

I have to admit, the last time I saw a fight in a bar was at Time Out. That was over a year ago, but of course, I don't hang out at Quotes. Time Out a reputable establishment with very few (if any) problems. It wasn't young punks fighting. It was 40-something men acting like children, but when it was over they all walked away (some of them into squad cars, but they walked away). A month or so ago I went downtown around bar time to pick up some friends needing a ride and there was an unconscious person laying on the sidewalk in front of Quotes. I don't know exactly what happened, but there were already police and paramedics there. That had to have been a very serious injury for him still to be laying on the sidewalk. Fights will occasionally happen in bars and any place you combine lots of people and alcohol. Anytime I've seen it happen at other bars the bouncers have gotten in the middle and sent the fighters out different doors. Quotes seems to just throw them out on the sidewalk to fight, half the time with the bouncers involved. Time Out stepped up the number of bouncers working after that and I've never seen another problem. Quotes management and bouncers are not preventing and diffusing situations as they should be. It sounds like by the warning the bouncers got from the police they are participating in assaults. Obviously if these fights are resulting in serious injuries (the article referenced a brain bruise incident) the bouncers aren't doing their jobs correctly. Ultimately that is the responsibility of the bar owner to control. Other bars have managed to overcome similar problems. I don't understand why Quotes is having such a problem, unless they're not really motivated to change.

'recently muredered in rage clouded by alchohol'

it cant be the alcohols fault. its legal.

Sigma40 - you said "Does anyone have any information on all these "fights" that supposedly happen? I'd like to know all the details because i can not recall one."
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You have to be kidding...right? Please tell me you are joking. Because if you aren't, the little credibility you had left, was just tossed off the bar stool. Go ask to see the records and police reports. There was a couple incidents that involved serious head trauma that were all over the news.

So basically I tell you to call me if you're having trouble.......but now I don't want you to call me this much, so now you're in trouble. Yeah, when you figure out how that makes sense, let me know.

There is always going to be a problem bar in Janesville/Beloit. When the police finally realize it and take action to prevent the trouble, rather than just pushing the spot around, they may actually get somewhere.

Sigma- your first problem is that you want to question the handling of disorderly conduct and fights by the brave folks that serve in the local PD. Havee you ever seen a bar fight? you know how fast it can get out of control? Wasnt a young man leavin a bar in janesville(not this one) recently muredered in rage clouded by alchohol? Unfortunately younger patrons cannot control their testosterone or their substance abuse. Not to mention irresponsible bartenders overserving many of these kids adding fuel to the fire. I worked in Taverns for YEARS and can tell you that it can be and IS a very dangerous environment FULL of young people with clouded judgement. And all you can do is say that it is somehow the fault of the JPD? Asking for stats and specifics from them? I really think you should re-evaluate your position. If the JPD seems prejudiced against this establishment, it is for good reason. I have been there enough times to UNDERSTAND the reality of the situation. The crowd here is only a part of the problem. Where is the oversight on these bouncers stirring up trouble(they do), or the bartenders overserving? The management SHOULD be called out for this and I applaud the city for their handling of this issue. I for one will always side with the policxe unless there is a real reason not to. Not knitting circle rumors of favoritism.

Like I said, close down Quotes early, and one of those places that "cleaned their act up" will take the trouble causers. Then we'll be having this same discussion about another bar in 3 months.

Also, over serving customers isn't only a problem at Quotes either. I've been in plenty of other bars where patrons appeared to be on the verge of passing out, and were still served until they left.

The best thing suggested would be lower the amount of people allowed in a place. That way you don't have to shoulder your way through the crowd to go anywhere in the bar, and accidentally run into someone with an attitude who is looking for trouble.

...and also by JPD's standards, two people arguing is a fight and is a disorderly conduct.

Does anyone have any information on all these "fights" that supposedly happen? I'd like to know all the details because i can not recall one.

shes ALWAYS drunk!!

Close 'em down.....1 down and ? to go!

"I guess that's what you get when you have a manager who tries to look and act just like the kids she's serving. Grow up, lady."

So it isn't just me??!!

Let's pack a bar way too full of really young kids, most of them looking to get wasted and/or laid, turn the music way up, serve them as many shots as they want, have the staff be as rude and aggressive as possible.....now what could go wrong here?? Mismanagement at its worst. This place is such a dump. I guess that's what you get when you have a manager who tries to look and act just like the kids she's serving. Grow up, lady.

Sigma..you sample drinks from EVERY bar ?Sigma, if brains were dynamite...yada,yada,yada.

Tazers and video cameras! Solve the problem and provide entertainment for all.

I'll go to Quotes...during the day. They've tried to clean it up, and even put up a list of rules, and there are still problems? Bazinga, previously known as Jumbo's certainly cleaned up their "riff raff" issuses. Why can't Quotes do the same? It's the people that go in there. Not the bar.

And there it is. If someone doesn't agree with what the majority thinks or what the cops think or what the government thinks, it's a conspiracy. Give me a break. The management of Quotes doesn't know how to run a bar. Simple as that. Hire hooligans to bounce and you're gonna have trouble. Personally, I don't want to go anywhere you can't where a plain white t-shirt or hat. Tells you what kind of people generally hang out there.

"The bouncers I have seen in action down there typically ask a person nicely to leave and try to diffuse the situation. When someone escalates it they respond with the necessary force to remove the person from the crowd to protect the other customers in their establishment. "

Road house quote- "be nice until it is time to not be nice"
Yep real nice bounce the guy cause the girls don't like you.

I have always wondered why shoulder to shoulder and what the "law" is on occupancy.
That cannot be it.
Once I went there in all the times I have gone and they said have to wait. ONCE!!

If you close it down, these hooligans will just go somewhere else!Hey people your suppose to have a good time when your drinking am I wrong?If you want to fight maybe its time for rehab!

I do wish somebody would tell the owner she is older than she dresses. She isn't 20 anymore and the dress code there should not appy to her.

Sigma40 - What the hell are you talking about? Are you denying that the bar has major problems? So according to you, everything that has happened in the past and present is make believe and someone else's fault. Acting like a dweeb in a public establishment is fun and a good time? I could care less if they close it down. Keep it open and keep all adolescents confined there. Let them beat each other up.
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Nobody was downtown on the 4th weekend? Gee, I wonder why. It's a holiday, was one of the best weekends of weather, there were a variety of other things to do and people were out enjoying it rather than sitting in a bar. If you base theory on on how many people are in a bar, I feel for you.

Sigma-- Your response of "you hit it right on... its all politics. Someone sees Quotes as a threat because it does good. So we get the cops to stake the place out and pounce on every little thing, then get the media to burn the place... Typical corporate america." the funny thing is none of the bars downtown are jealous of the business Quotes is doing... like li713
said-- the glass has plenty of other things going on that draw the right type of crowd. None of the other bars want the crowd Quotes has. It is the matter that Carp is more concerned about making hoards of maney than she is about keeping the peace. And just because other downtown establishments are not packed at 1 am does not mean they are not doing good business. As a regular downtown, I would gladly take my business to anywhere but Quotes.

spark - You obviously dont know how govt works. Whoever is in power calls the shots whether it is wrong or not.
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dvlwmn13 - you hit it right on... its all politics. Someone sees Quotes as a threat because it does good. So we get the cops to stake the place out and pounce on every little thing, then get the media to burn the place... Typical corporate america.
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I went downtown sunday because the 4th i had no work. Every place was DEAD, like 3 people in it except Quotes. ....someones jealous.
The cops can throw some statistics out there and everyone jumps on the hater train.

Never heard of them

Anyone that thinks that business at the Glass is suffering because of Quotes is clueless and has obviously never bothered to venture downtown during daylight hours. The Glass may be less busy in the wee hours of the morning, but that's because they now cater to a different type of clientele. There are things going on at the Glass almost every night. They have bags leagues, trivia, karaoke, beer club, and from what I've seen do EXCELLENT Saturday morning buffet business during the farmer's market. They have also diversified the kitchen and appear to be doing pretty good lunch business. When you clean the place up, it opens up the opportunity to create business at times other than midnight to 2am. That's what The Looking Glass has done and I think it is an excellent example of the fact that it is possible to turn around a bad situation when management puts in the effort to do so. Also, they do occasionally play rap music and they do offer $2 rails and domestics on Tuesdays and somehow still manage to not have the problems Quotes does. It comes down to management.

As long as the patrons of "Quotes" continue to accept the antics going on there, nothing will change. The only way it will really change for the better is if the customers no longer stand for the stupidity of a few immature idiots who are under the impression they are a gift to the bar scene. You have three options, don't go to the bar in the first place, leave if idiots show up and finally, complain to the owner until something is done. No one forces you to go to "Quotes" and if they want to stay in business they will LISTEN to their Customers.

Sigma40 - If it's changed, than why are they in worse shape than ever and why is this story being written? Why are the police still visiting the place on a regular basis for calls? Get a clue dude. The trouble filters primarily there. The place is pure trouble.

They should institute a "cover charge" and pay off-duty police officers (trained and experienced and in uniform) to "manage the crowd".

abass80-- Your are completely right!!! Matt has done many great things for looking glass and the sommunity as a whole!

Sigma-- Carp is always wasted...She actually goes to all the other downtown bars everynights and buys rounds of shots for herself! she is a joke!

"The glass used to be shoulder to shoulder, once quotes opened legends, the glass, main street, and taasbags took a big hit from people now going to quotes instead. So now that Matts business is suffering he's going to put the heat on his competitor. Nice. Janesville "good 'ol boy" politics never gets old." You must no read very well... Matt is the comittee chairman and sits on a board with many other bar owners in the downtown area. Matt and the other bar owners have brought us things like downtown beautification projects, the summer block party, etc. And if you read anyone elses post, the reason why Looking glass is not shoulder to shoulder anymore is because they saw the issue and made improvements (the beer garden) to lessen the amount of people crammed inside!

Ha! Ive never seen Mrs. Carpenter wasted or acting out of line. And you say you were there right after they opened? Duh... its not the same. Times change and it has been cleaned and straightened up a lot. They have no control who is going to act out of line untill they do. So what do you do? Have a phiciatric screening process and a competency test to get in the place? Maybe the PD shouldnt capture and release all of the criminals... keep the dirt off the street and it wont filter into the businesses.

I also agree with many other posters who say The Looking Glass is a prime example of how cleaning up its act saved that establishment. They've done a tremendous job of revamping the bar and making it a place people want to go - for enjoyment and not to see fights or be in one. Kudos to the Glass. The best bar in Janesville for those of us who prefer atmosphere, good food, and good people - O'Riley & Conways. THERE is an establishment with excellent management and ownership with a quality product for the money.

So we have Matt Schreier who runs the looking glass (a neighboring bar and COMPETITOR of quotes) telling them how they should run their business and basically deciding whether they get to stay in business. No impropriety there?!?! You people talking about the glass not having problems and blah blah obviously haven't been in there lately and seen that the reason legends and the glass don't have issues any more is because NOBODY is in there. The glass used to be shoulder to shoulder, once quotes opened legends, the glass, main street, and taasbags took a big hit from people now going to quotes instead. So now that Matts business is suffering he's going to put the heat on his competitor. Nice. Janesville "good 'ol boy" politics never gets old.
The bouncers I have seen in action down there typically ask a person nicely to leave and try to diffuse the situation. When someone escalates it they respond with the necessary force to remove the person from the crowd to protect the other customers in their establishment. Their duty is to remove the problem. The police i've seen in action are typically a whole lot more "hands on" than any bouncer i've seen. Funny how the same police dept that asked quotes to call immediately when they have any sign of a problem is now being chastised for doing exactly hat they were told to do by the PD. Sounds like the pd trumping up to me.
If you shut down this establishment the clients will simply go to another bar ready and willing to fill the gap. Are you just going to keep shutting down businesses?

And for the record I have been in Quotes twice in 3 years and before then maybe a handful of times as a younger adult. In my experiences in Quotes I've witnessed Mrs. Carpenter working and managing while she appears to be intoxicated and is obviously drinking alcohol. It always surprised me how one could effectively manage such an establishment while drinking. Of course when you have the city regulate for you then it must be easy.

Emotionally biased. Of course. She is willfully breaking the law at the expense of voters and taxpayers such as myself so it would be bias for many reasons other than my personal situation. The beauty of commentary and free speech is that we all can say what we would like regardless of what others may think. I think we have all exhibited this here. While there are many other undesirable drinking establishments in the Janesville area who have incident issues, Quotes has been a long standing thorn in the side of the downtown area. And their reputation precedes itself. Quotes has long been known for poor quality of product and apparently poor judgement in how many situations are handled including but not limited to employment & pay practices, police incidents due to fighting, etc. And it appears that it all circles back to ownership and management capabilities. When an establishment has a prime location but markets itself to a particular clientele yet lacks proper rules, regulations, and practices then it all comes back to the owners /managers. And dealing with the constant issues Quotes has is a drain on our city government and police department who are already drained. Eliminate the problem (Quotes) if the establishment cannot be ran and maintained effectively without assistance from the city.

IT SEAMS LIKE THAT PLACE HAS HAD TROUBLE FOR A LONG TIME.I KNOW A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE WHO WILL NOT GO THERE ANYMORE COUSE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS ALSO HAVE HEARD PEOPLE SAY THEY GO THERE JUST TO SEE FIGHTS.

Sigma40- I have been there. Will never go back. First night I was there not long after they opened, I witnessed some punk start crap for no reason and i witnessed two other situations escalate. Like I said, "the I just had my first beer crowd." Also know of two other situations where someone was almost beaten to death. Remember reading about those Sigma? I have friends that patrol that area and they are easy going, understandable guys. What happens at that place is a joke.
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I can't tell you the last time I was at any decent establishment where I saw a fight. It has been years. Sorry, but going out and having a good time doesn't consist of a bunch of dbags fighting.

"No doubt some of them were barely conscious when they walked in! Oooo...the bar is now "on notice"! Isn't that scary? How long did people dance on the bar at Looking Glass while that establishment was "on notice" too?" These problems were when the Munsons owned Looking Glass... Matt has doen many things to clean up and change the image of Looking Glass. There has not been dancing allowed on the bar for at least a year now and with the beer garden the number of people crammed inside has brought down the stress level of being to close to people which has significantly reduced the number of issues Looking Glass has. Quotes could make improvements and have the same result but Carp is to worried about drinking herself into a stupper everynight that she does not bother to see what is really going on in her bar!

I think it absolutely comes down to management. Look at the problems The Looking Glass used to have. You don't see any of that there anymore. Once they stopped tolerating the problems they were able to build a different kind of clientele. I think forcing Quotes to close early could help solve the problem. I don't think the problems will move to other bars downtown, because from what I've seen the management at other bars won't tolerate it. Bouncers are suppose to diffuse conflicts and disburse the people causing them, not contribute to the problem. I won't even park my car on the street near Quotes for fear of damage to it during the free-for-alls that go on there. The bottom line is the city needs to do something about it before it gets any worse.

A worthless opinion for pointing out the owners is breaking the law? Seriously? Funny thing is, Denise Carpenter is circumventing the same laws her husband used to put people in jail for.

abass80 - Your opinion is worthless because you have an Ex husband working there. That dismisses anything you have to say because your opinion is too emotionally biased. The drinks are not watered down by no means. I sample drinks from every bar. Keep your personal life out of this.

Spark - were in there around midnight to close because thats where everyone usually ends up at the end of the night. Have you ever been there? I have yet to see a fight in there. Myself and the people I am with are calm relaxed people that wouldnt even think of fighting or confronting anyone. We go out to have a good time... not start stuff.
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If I remember right at the city's x-mas party a couple years ago they had people out of hand and had to have 3-4 cops hold someone down. So no matter where you are when you get a lot of people and alcohol having a good time.... something will happen.
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I would say Tremmors and Jumbos (whatever its called now) and the south side of town bars have a rougher crowd than quotes.. Quotes is just younger and everyone has to single out the youth....thats how Janesville is. Our higher ups have to bully because they were bullied when they were young... its like tradition or somthing.

i understand the point of a bar and have absolutely nothing against them, or their patrons. ive spent more than enough time in them. it amazes me that anyone 21 years of age or older can DRIVE to a bar, drink what they want and leave, but its illegal for that same adult to sit on their couch and smoke a J. ignorance and hypocrisy. we are not the criminals

Quotes is nothing more than a drain on the city of Janesville. It provides no service to the city. Terrible drinks that are watered down & cheap. Half dressed female staff members. And my favorite: helping their employees evade paying child support by paying them under the table. My exhusband is a bouncer at Quotes. He is on leave from his full time day job for a workers comp back injury yet he still manages to bounce at the crap hole of Quotes. I would like to congratulate Denise Carpenter on helping my childrens father avoid paying child support on his two children by paying him off of the books. Denise - you are scum. Your staff is scum. And I pray that someday the city quits playing favorites and shuts down Quotes for good. Quotes is a haven for the lowest of low in our area. Including their staff. But Denise - get ready - because I have made sure Rock County Child Support is aware of the help you are giving your staff.

Sigma40 - You are the adolescent cliental I was speaking of. Don't you find it ironic that practically every other bar in town, doesn't have these same issues? What dream World are you living in? Because you stop there and during that time you're there, because there's no problems, that must mean there is never any problems? I suggest you check out the police reports and the extent of some of the injuries and problems that have occurred. The place is a joke and it's for amateurs that just learned how to have their first beer. Then they can try and act twice as big as they actually are.

Is this "notice" Quotes has been put on the same as double secret probation?

Sigma, I don't know what reality you live in, but it's certainly warped. Judging just by the fact there is a dress code for Quotes, it's way different than the other bars downtown. I don't think I've ever heard anyone describe it as "a pleasant place." I hope they close it down. It's a craphole.

As a musician with almost forty years spent playing in bars, here's my take: 1) Patrons are being over-served. 2) Too many people in the bar at one time. 3) Overaggressive bouncers. 4) People that have already been over-served elsewhere are being allowed in. JPD could be proactive by doing hourly walkthroughs, if they aren't now. A solid police presence does wonders to control a "over enthusiastic" crowd, and gives the bartenders/bouncers a chance to give police a heads-up on potential trouble makers.

In the end, the owner has to take responsibility for her bar, things will change only if she wants them to.

fishbelly- I was thinking the same thing. If you close at 1230 the half drunk idiots will go to another bar on that street and cause problems. I have only been to Quotes twice and it was about 6 years ago. This was a problem then and it will continually be a problem. They are really need to shut it down!!

This is how the cops strong arm people, encourage them to call the police then penalize them when they do. Im kind of in awe over this....wow. Like noted below, my friends and I stop in for a bit all the time, in the past 4 years ive seen maybe a couple people escourted out, and one bouncer take a guy to the ground before escourting him out, and that dude was wasted and took a swing at him. It was handled very proffesionaly. I think the JPD needs to be reorganized and quit its gang/mafia like tendencies.

What is wrong with the Janesville PD? I stop in there at least once on the weekends (late at night)and for the past few years has been a pleasant place. Since McStabbers is gone does the city need to bully someone else? Mr. Davis needs to find a new job, he's the only one that sucks at what he does. Im sick of the PD thinking this is Russia and if someone on the force dont like a business or an owner they strong-arm them to close up shop. They nitpick everything and try and hang them. Quotes is no different than any other bar down there....just that the owners of the other bars are liked by the PD. Its all favortism.

let's keep em in one spot. makes for easy police work and I know where not to go.

I went to the bars 6 months ago in Janesville for the first time in about 5 years. I thought Quotes had a decent atmosphere but it was shoulder to shoulder people near closing. If they dropped the max. persons threshold by 15 or 20 percent, the fights would be cut significantly.
On the other hand, if they made it a marijuana only bar I bet they'd cut the fights by 90% and the related DUI's by 75%.

No doubt some of them were barely conscious when they walked in! Oooo...the bar is now "on notice"! Isn't that scary? How long did people dance on the bar at Looking Glass while that establishment was "on notice" too?

I'm not trying to sound like I'm siding with the bar, but you clean up one place and the trouble makers will just go to another bar. Maybe having 6-7 bars on 1 block is just a bad idea to begin with?

I think Dan Davis has a good idea but I think if you make them close early, the deviant trash will just migrate else where. I'm really surprised that police haven't equipped popular bars and liquor store with equipment to verify if an I.D. is real using the D.L. number and at the same time see if that name is attached to any warrants, etc. I know that is much too hopeful thinking; we have more important things to do like build bike trails and sidewalks to keep our city of parks image up rather than dealing with problems.

I still can't point the blame at anyone in this article though. The real problem is your courthouse. There was just an article the other day about people that get arrested for drunk driving are let go and get arrested 1-4 more times for the same thing while their 1st case is pending in the court. This isn't just with alcohol either. Minor retail theft gets you a citation and you are generally let go that same day if not right away. As long as you keep stealing and selling more then you are getting ticketed for, you'll come out ahead. Too many Judges especially Welker for example push "probation and alternatives to jail." Don't let this confuse you; it's just a way to keep tax payers happy since it costs way more money to put someone in jail then it does to put them in jail and the Judge is happy because he gets to keep his job.

I'd love to get a chance to interview all the Rock County Judges on video for everyone to see. I have some tough questions to ask, especially the one about where all that money goes when people pay their fines because no one seems to know. I just wonder because I saw a Brinks truck backed up to the courthouse one day lol.

The place is a dump. I don't blame the bouncers, they have a job to do. I blame the owners.

SHUT IT DOWN!!

LOL 916, the "road house" that is funny. This place is a hole and needs to be shut down. Been there a couple of times and its just a bar full of over served "wanna be tough guys". Including the bouncers. Those fellas think they have a license to fight because they work the door for a second rate tavern? Had a couple of run ins with them, and they arent nearly as "tough" as they think they are. Fact of the matter is , bad ownership, bad security, bad and careless bartenders= BAD atomsphere.
I 100% disagree about the music. Knowing many people engaged in the tavern/dance club business, it can be achieved with responsible management. Over serving patrons is as big a problem as overzealous bouncers. Hip-hop /pop music int the problem here, it starts at the top and works its way down.

Well said, 916Wi.

thekai........Normally I would never advocate calling the cops. I bartended for a couple of years and whenever there was an incident we did everything we could to resolve it right then and there, but if that crap was being instigated by an employee of the place, I would have had NO issue calling the cops and having that guy hauled off and charged with battery. With the witness statements and the video, there is no way the cops wouldn't get involved. That's too bad that he didn't do that, because having staff act like that is unacceptable........sounds like the guy had seen Roadhouse one too many times........

Shut it Dowwwnn.

A quick scenario to elaborate on the behavior of the bouncers at Quotes.

My friend, male, went to Quotes with two of his friends, both females. While at Quotes, the ladies were dancing and enjoying themselves when a bouncer walked up to join them. The ladies tried several times to move/dance away from the bouncer, trying to politely let him know they were not interested. Finally, my friend stepped between the girls and the bouncer, with his back faced to the bouncer. The bouncer tapped my friend's shoulder, and my friend turned his head and said, "They don't want to dance with you."

That should be the end of it... at most bars it would be. The bouncer grabbed my friend by the shoulder, spun him around, then head-butted him, and THEN kicked him out of the bar. Disciplinary action was sworn by the management of Quotes, but I don't know if any was ever taken. My friend was never compensated. None of us will ever go back there.

When you advertise $1 taps and $2 drink specials and cater to young people, you're going to end up with a client base that has circled the drain a few times. Plus, the bouncers are all the stereotypical "likes to fight guy". You know, the TapOut or Affliction shirt wearing Jamokes who go out and actually look for trouble and any reason to "go". I went there a few times when I didnt feel motivated to drive to Madison or Milwaukee and saw several choke slams by the bouncers for seemingly minor infractions, like guys dancing too close to the very limited number of attractive females that show up. It's an at least 65% male clientele most nights. You get what you pay for

Where do these kids get this money to get that bombed and then it turns into a fight? Wow.... youth is wasted on the young.

that whole place is trash including the workers. close it down for good!

this is wonderful to see. In my limited number of visits to the dreaded hole known as Quotes, it is a cesspool of wannabe tough guys and low life trash. And I am in agreement about the bouncers there. I know of one instance about 5 years ago where a female broke up a fight that was about to happen and she was thrown out by a bouncer, as in literally thrown out, and the landing broke her finger. I do not understand the attraction ANYONE would have to this place.

Nice one yada

"Scientists announced that they have located the gene for alcoholism. Scientists say they found it at a party, talking way too loudly." Conan O'Brien

What's really ironic is that Steve Carpenter is a former Rock County DA. He wanted to hang me for being caught with beer while fishing in Riverside Park. Wanted jail time. Three days to be exact. I hope hope the city snags the hypocrite's liquor license.

"Carpenter told Davis an earlier closing time would “potentially be fatal to her business,” Davis said.
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Newsflash, what's going to be fatal to your business is if you don't clean up your act, the establishment, and the adolescent cliental that has been a problem since the day you opened.

The owner of the bar "Quotes" could not be reached for comment...ironic, no "quotes" from her.