politics.. ba ha ha

Factsplease: What a great article that you posted the link to. Everyone should read it. Then you will realize how "off balance" Ryan's plan really is.

America does not need to add to our deficit with Ryan's ridiculous plan.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracy...
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What do you know? A plan that actually balances the budget in 10 years and doesn't dismantle Medicare! Go Progressives!

No, I just think it is common sense.

Just like Barack Obama is a radical, so therefore you are a radical.

I have read your numerous posts and all of them have a common thread. You don't think anyone is capable of independent thought, except yourself.

Shrek: Call it whatever you like. That's my opinion and that of many others. Ayn Rand was a radical, and anyone who follows that teaching in my book is a radical too.

Actually the tactic is to attack conservatives with guilt by association, but not apply it to liberals. (ie: Barack Obama and Bill Ayers, Barack Obama and Rev. Wright, etc)

It seems the only articles that allow comments anymore are the political ones...this is ridiculous.....While I agree that some should not be allowed due to personal issues, the "comments disabled" thing has gotten way out of hand.

"Guilt by association" is a liberal tactic?

Concerned, I see that you are using the liberal tactic of guilt by association. Just because someone agrees with Ayn Rand's points about capitalism, does not mean that they agree will all of her points.

Minan: Yes it is time, the sooner the better.

Ryan supports Ayn Rand theories. In my opinion, if you support Rand you cannot be a Christian or a believer. If you have not read the article in Gazette Extra on Ayn Rand, you should do so. It will give you extra special insight into what Paul Ryan believes. A Christian and a believer then could not vote for Ryan because he goes against everything that is Christian.

Following is a couple of paragraphs from the Ayn Rand article:
Reason is everything. Religion is a fraud. Selfishness is a virtue. Altruism is a crime against human excellence. Self-sacrifice is weakness. Weakness is contemptible.

“The Objectivist ethics, in essence,” said Rand, “hold that man exists for his own sake, that the pursuit of his own happiness is his highest moral purpose, that he must not sacrifice himself to others, nor sacrifice others to himself.”

Now tell me, do you still think that Ryan is working for the poor, the middle-class, senior citizens? I highly doubt it. He is working for the upper 2% of people with wealth, the big corporations, big insurance companies, big banks, and Wall Street. He is working for his own pocketbook. He has been bought and paid for.

pooba...I think joeflint was being scarcastic:)

joeflint said, "What was the top marginal rate under that notorious wealth redistributer Eisenhower? 91% Why? In great part, to pay down the debt of a costly war. Thankfully we can draw no parallels to today."
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Are you serious? Are you serious? No parallels to today. We're fighting how many wars with high tech weaponry that costs millions per firing. Fighters jets that cost tens of millions. And there are no parallels? Our federal debt post-WW2 as a percent of GDP was around 125%. It is now around 108%. In 1980, prior to Reagan slashing the upper income tax rates, it was around 30%!!! And you can follow the straight line up ever since Reagan to present-day -- through Republican and Democratic presidencies and congressional control.

Lady, you can come up with any goofy acronym you want. It's a voucher program with ever-decreasing vouchers and ever-increasing costs. It's nothing more than a plan to eliminate Medicare.

Mouse take your time and read the plan, then comment.

You know mouse, you are a real piece of work. So Ryan just stood there and smirked and waved his arms when the good citizens asked questions? Is that what you really think? Maybe your view from floor level was not too good or you were trying to keep from being stepped on to really pay attention. Whatever! Next time you should sit closer to the front so you can actually see and hear. Maybe then you'll get your talking points right.

SB

Ryan is NOT talking voucher plan.

What was the top marginal rate under that notorious wealth redistributer Eisenhower?

91%

Why? In great part, to pay down the debt of a costly war.

Thankfully we can draw no parallels to today.

If you're upset that the Obamas did not pay the full marginal rate of 35%, don't hate them -- hate the deductions and loopholes that allow that to happen. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that neither Ryan nor anyone else in Congress paid the full marginal rate.

Neither did I. Compared to the Obamas, I got a great deal: (if it's true they paid 25% then) they paid 71% of their marginal rate, I only paid 50%! Turns out that through the various tax-sheltered or tax-deferred investments (FSA, IRA, etc) one can make, one can greatly reduce one's tax burden.

The rich get richer isn't that right Ryan? I for one will never vote for a person who feels the elderly and young have no value. If you want to know the depth of Ryan's twisted views read A. Rand's Atlas Shrugged. Contempt for the working person is expressed over and over again. We are the looters, the refuse of society. Only those who are rich, either through birth or by means of raping the land for the very last drop of life are worthy to live. This man is dangerous. There is so much waste in our govt. and to blame it on the very people who allow Ryan this lifestyle is nuts. How come his banker buddies aren't getting any cuts from his pie charts? Janesville wake up and smell the coffee, Ryan and his rich cronies must go.

The top income tax rate is 35%, it would appear that the Obama's utilized some tax breaks to only pay 25%. I have no idea where the 16.1% number came from.

poohbah, my only reason for saying what I said about running for office yourself, is that someone in washington, has taken the lead at trying something, all you guys on here want to do is claim that what the guy who thought of something wants to do won't work. Instead of bashing it, and quoting supposed statements in the constitution, give other ideas that you would think will work. Or state why you support Obamas vision. Otherwise your freedom of speech is freedom to be an idiot.

Bush signed every budget he was presented no matter how much it put us in the hole and Paul Ryan went along with almost every plan. Benefits to the top of the income brackets and cuts to the bottom. Thats what he and the Repugs support, cutting from education in todays competitve world market is assnine, thats why they want private school tution to be tax deductable.

Thanks poobah.

youkillme, your 1:18pm post was very eloquent and right on point. The typical response when there is no denying what has been said is to suggest something was taken out of context (even if it is a simple yes or no question), or that judges aren't strictly interpreting the constitution (activist judges), etc. etc.
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Thanks for the great comment.

By the way, I will carry on with it. With any luck, people will catch on to the Tea Party's and Ryan's un-American doctrine. We can only hope our founding documents sink their ship.

jv93, you are the one trying to put words in people's mouths. It is nearly impossible to take that passage out of context, unless you try to claim it is no longer relevant to today. That passage destroys the core of Ayn Rand's novels and Ryan's rewrite of the purpose and intentions and government. It is what our country is built on.

I give up youkillme. I'm not going to go around and around with you. I'm sure we can both agree on two things. Our founding fathers are definitely rolling in their graves at what America has become, the direction we are heading, and from my perspective the complete helplessness of its citizens to care for themselves. You quote is taken way of context and inserts much more meaning then they ever meant to be placed in that sentence. But...carry on...whatever floats your boat.

futurerichguy: The point is we can't keep affording to pay their big salaries, their health care (for the rest of their lives), and their increases. I don't care if it sounds "old" to you. If we are asking public employees to do this, the same should hold true for our congressmen, senators, and even the president.

The Obummers had a taxable income of 1.7M last year. How come they only paid a 25% tax rate on that instead of 35%? You would think they would have opted for the latter just to show good faith.

I think the argument that Congress should take a pay cut and pay their fair share in health care costs is getting old especially considering it typically comes from the Right. These folks on the Right have no issue with CEOs making 7,8 and even 9 figures per year as that's the free market rewarding hard work. If we were to lower Congress's pay any further do you really believe we're going to attract the best qualified individuals? What will happen is it'll attract more Ron Johnsons and Donald Trumps who don't need the money, or folks like Paul Ryan who are owned and paid for by others.

These townhall meetings are a farce. They are "only for show." Just another way of trying to hoodwink us.

You never get the truth when you ask a question. You get a "dodging around the bush."

Some people are starting to wake up, though, from what I've seen at the Janesville townhall.

I think all congressmen and senators should take a cut in pay, and even the president. And I don't think they should get free health care either. They should have to pay for it like everyone else.

You're right, the founders never envisioned about the actual or perceived size of government. It is not addressed in either document. They meant to mutally pledge their lives and fortunes for the birth of nation only, but to never apply those selfless virtues ever again to defend or restore the nation from any threats? I doubt it. But let's make sure whatever we do, we mutually pledge our fortunes, our lives and our sacred honor to make things right. To do anything less is unforgivable. I'm certain there were many individuals who did not agree with those words back then just like today, that's there right. But the Declaration is the forming basis which we must return to for that guiding spirit. Those words will expire when the USA does, and with the Tea Party GOP, that time is just around the corner.

skippy31 said, "For all you Ryan critics, why don't you run for office and see what happens to your ideas."
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Fairly typical, brain-dead response to every comment: "If you don't like it, then _________." You can fill in the blank. It's usually "leave" or "quit yelling" or "run for office" or something equally meaningless. Anything but to continue to exercise your freedom of speech, right?

Ryan should concentrate on anything but finances. Under his watch, GM took 10 million of WI taxpayers money and blew town. If he wants to stick to financial items, he should write a bill that stops US congressmen from insider trading. Maybe he should write a bill that would reverse the supreme court decision that a corporation is the same as a person. He's full of dirty money as are all politicians. I won't trust a single one of them until they start worrying about the welfare of their constituents rather than the welfare of their wallets and reelection campaigns.

"Ryan proposes lowering the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 25 percent. The idea is to prevent jobs from being driven overseas while promoting growth and international competitiveness, he said."
Are there idiots that actually believe this? You do realize that if a corporation moves manufacturing overseas they still pay corporate income tax. Why would lowering it to 25% impact their decision? The only way they can avoid US corporate income taxes is to move their headquarters overseas, and that has been very rare. So this does absolutely nothing.

I see people are still brainwashed to believe that they need to spend their entire lives chasing a piece of the that "pie". You can always make more money, you can never make more time.

Clarity-I have a plan. It's called stop being apathetic and spread the word to real people on real issues and solve problems so our kids can grow up and live decent lives.

It's the last sentence in the Declaration of Independence.

Lady: Have you ever had a plan to get a "piece of the pie" or do you believe someone is supposed to give it to you?
"CLARITY": I'm not brainwashed enough to want any, to be given any, or to take any. I believe I have to work for what I want, and I want to be able to support my family and help those in need who were screwed by the GOP. Why don't you go back and read my post and pick apart something else, who knows, you might learn something.

jv93, odd we don't actually say things but we imply. That DOI quote is perhaps one of the most important statements from our founding documents. From your comment, you also seem to believe that those words, meanings and its intentions are no longer applicable to today, but I believe it is. I believe once those words were used - they become the guiding direction for our leaders to apply when faced with any threat, economic or military. If our founders knew that they were willing to give their lives and fortunes for a country that two hundred years later would face a crisis where its inhabitants would not do the same - they would roll over in their grave. Then thheir sacrifices were in vain. Our country is lost. Ryan's proposals are not based on "mutally pledging our lives and fortunes" to solve our debt crisis. It's the exact opposite. The Tea Party, corporate republicans and politicians like Ryan are pushing a doctrine of every man for himself, dog-eat-dog, winner-takes-all ideology that is completely alien to the direction and intention written in our founding documents. Ryan wants to reshape our government and its purpose of existence away from what the founders wrote and into an abstract creation based on Rands novels. It is inherently un-American.

How did the Milton meeting go for ya Pauly.

I got news for all of you Paul Ryan supporters, tea-baggers, republicans, GOP folks out there- you may believe if you are nice enough to the rich, you will someday get in on a piece of the pie. Guess what!? You are NOT INVITED TO THE TABLE!!!!

Hey Paul Ryan-What health insurance company pays you for your loyalty? How much are you getting paid to make extreme cuts into medicare? (Off the record of course)How much money is big pharma giving you to spear head this so -called "plan?"

Hey Paul-how many tax dollars paid the Police Officer to escort you throughout your Church sermon?
He is listed as a Roman Catholic on Wikipedia. I would ask if he takes being a Christian seriously. What does that mean to him? How is that part of his political philosophy? Does he remember reading, anywhere in the bible, that Christ took ...those loaves and fishes, held them to heaven and then declared, "well these are for me and the rest of you are on your own, work harder you lazy bastards!" I don't know of that bible which seemingly is the one he follows.

I have written Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI 1st district) 3 times asking him to co-sponsor House Resolution HR 676 Universal Health Care for All, no one left behind, and he responded with 3 computer generated responses about how he wants to keep taxes low and the government OUT of health care....same letter each time. It became clear where his allegiance lie when he invited Bush II to Janesville, WI to campaign for a second term....

They(FOX,MSNBC,CBS) hammer it into our mainstream conscious that our solidarity doesn't matter, but it does- it already has. There are people who have never protested anything in their life but when they heard about what Walker was trying to do they got... up off the couch and occupied the State Capitol. We have roused the sleeping giant, people are sick and tired of feeling hopelessly poor or struggling to stay in the middle class and more and more reasons to fight pop up everyday in our corporate society. We need to remember that most huge changes (abolishing slavery, child labor, and unsafe work conditions) and the small changes (seat belts, meat inspection, water testing) has all seemed like bleak,hopeless ideas that could only happen in our wildest fantasy, until people started getting together and talking and started grassroots campaigns to force politicians into agreeing with our stance on issues. 3 rd party candidates brought a lot of issues to the main stream---which would help explain why Independent third parties are almost completely invisible in the eyes of normal joe the plumbers. I'm not giving up without a fight, then they'd win. I refuse to let FOX or Tylenol or BudLite stop me from thinking for myself and stop me from being smart enough to avoid their message at every turn (which is really really freaking hard to do) . I am poor and I am a mother of 3 and I am patriotic I love America, but America doesn't love me! And you! Because we handed it over to the Shriners and freemasons and the Skull and Crossbones ....other wise known as the good' ol' boys club.

Carlitosway: I agree with you completely. I just wish some others would really take a good look at what is going on with the Republicans.

Yes, I agree with a previous poster, you do not have to vote for Ryan just because he is from Janesville. Ryan says one thing and does another. He is not telling the truth at these townhall meetings. You can see from some of news articles written after the townhall meetings, that people have certain questions, and Ryan has not fully or accurately given answers to them.

People want honest answers and they are not getting them. People feel they are being deceived. I believe he has very cleverly deceived many people, and he has things hidden in his bill that are not fully apparent.

Again, it is Republicans filling their pocketbooks, and not caring about the poor and the middle class. Many more people will suffer because of their greed.

The cuts to medicare is Theft of the people as they have paid in dearly to have something to look forward to when they have the right to collect it YET THE THIEVING GOP has rerouted every penny of the workers money to line the pockets of themselves and others that support their criminal acts WE the People need to charge them with felony theft of OUR MONEY as they have none left to give back to us. They have the guts to CUT what is rightfully ours PAID IN FULL by all of us working class. Now please again enlighten me all you supporters of the criminals that have robbed us all, with the explanation of WHY WE HAVE NOTHING LEFT and that they should be allowed to take even more of what is not theirs to take.

Ayn Rand understood that there is no god.

janesvillean Thank you!!!
Just because a candidate is from this area is no reason to vote for them or support them Ryan tries and tell the people opposite of what he is really doing and The trust I once had has demished to nothing as like all the rest he is a blow hard GOP.Ryan is not a wise choice for 2012 as he will destroy what little is left of the middle class people and join the rest of the Idiots with power and greed, and he has already showed that he has joined that part as he continues to attack the people. He states one thing and in his bill it is another and I JUST WISH HE WOULD TELL THE TRUTH that is behind his bill. If you follow the news ,other than FOX you will find that many of the GOP are against his plan NOW THAT THEY HAVE READ IT Jv93 when the GOP cut cut cut the little guy and allow the big guy to reap the rewards at the expense of the people and pay little to nothing that is a SHAME and IT is the governments FAULT with all the lost JOBS. They promise more Jobs and the Walker and his goon squad are intending to lay off thousands in this State alone So please enlighten me with, where the hell are the 250,000 they say we will have I believe that promise should read 250.000 jobs will be eliminated to get this budget on track. Nothing but lies and the GOP IMO will be gone in 2012 along with Ryan and the ones already on recall. BTW it is up to 5 GOPs that are on the chopping block.

Odd I never said "every man for himself." You imposed that debate onto the quote.

Did you NOT say "But it is Ryan's proposals that are built on the me, me, me, me, me, world of Ayn Rand's brutally cold selfishness. It's built on the idea that it's my money, I earned it, I'm only responsible for myself and I'm not going to pitch in for country or society unless it's by my own choice. Whether you like it or not, that's not what our country was built on."

YOU pointed out material things in your original point, not me. Then I pointed out that you are attempting to revise history by taking the quote out of context. Where exactly does denial come in to play? It just appears you are misunderstanding what they meant by the pledge. That's all. You can make an attempt at humor but you are really laughing at yourself. Your poor understanding of Rand's works and philosophy, based on your application of them to Ryan's proposed policies, backs my point that you really ought to go do some more reading.

jv93, the quote is what it is. "They were not making the pledge to provide healthcare, a house, a job, a car, or a big screen TV" .... Ha - ha. You really kill me jv93. They were pledging much less... like their lives, fortunes and sacred honor to create an independent country. Mutually pledge. Those are powerful words. Being the last sentence in the DOI makes it even more important as the shaping stone for the Constitution. THAT is the foundation of our country. You seem to be in denial of that. You also seem to twist it into something that isn't there, like it means, "every man for himself" or mischaracterize my understanding of it by mixing in "evil" capitalism or a commununal society.

Don't stretch that quote too far out of context youkillme. I can hear it screaming now. Look it up and see if you haven't taken some liberty with it. Sharing/helping was NOT what they were referring to. You can stop with the historical revisionism. They were pledging to remain united against a tyrannical king. The signers knew they would be killed for signing the declaration which amounted to treason. They were not making the pledge to provide healthcare, a house, a job, a car, or a big screen TV to their fellow man that did not have these material things. They made the pledge to protect each others freedom. You seem to take their words and twist them in support of morals which as best I can tell support a communal society versus "evil" capitalism and that is taking the quote WAY out of context.

If congress would leave Social Security alone, medicare would be just fine. http://www.uncle-scam.com/Confessions/ho...

Freedom is a pain in the butt ain't it?

Ryan is typical Republican aiming to line his pockets and the pockets of other republicans at the cost to the middle class and poor further widening the inequality gap, keeping the poor in poverty, and making it impossible for the elderly and poor to live as housing funding gets cut eliminating programs such as low income housing, energy assistance, section 8, etc. The tax cuts need to go UP on those making $100k+ per year and big business, the cap on wages taxable by social security needs to be eliminated, withdrawal of troops from areas of conflict (middle east), reduction of salaries of elected officials, all elected officials should be required to pay 100% of their health care insurance (NOT THE TAXPAYER) and retirement; no more life long benefits, elimination of HMOs and PPOs in an effort to lower cost of health care AND increase quality of healthcare; and also forcing insurance companies to be competitve in their rates; and so many more initiatives to move the poor out of poverty rather than trapping them in it.

skippy, first of all you write, "It makes no difference who got us here." and then you proceed to explain how for years and years we have been under dems union ideas and wonder if this is the reason we are having the problems we are having now. So, which way is it?

But it is Ryan's proposals that are built on the me, me, me, me, me, world of Ayn Rand's brutally cold selfishness. It's built on the idea that it's my money, I earned it, I'm only responsible for myself and I'm not going to pitch in for country or society unless it's by my own choice. Whether you like it or not, that's not what our country was built on. The last sentence of the Declaration of Independence states, "And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor." We are a compassionate country built on sharing and helping, not by choice, but by declaration.

I love that some of the comments on here are about what we are going to or not going to get. When will all of you change your thinking to what has to be done to make things better as a country. It makes no difference who got us here. It only matters now how we turn things around. Paul Ryan is the only one who is challenging the president to step up and get something going. For all you Ryan critics, why don't you run for office and see what happens to your ideas. For anyone to think that the people in office haven't thought of everything possible to fix this is insane. For years and years we have been in Wisconsin, and have been uder dems union ideas. Has anyone wondered if this is the reason we are having the problems we are having now. I have seen many things under doyle get swept under the rug and not delt with. Spending has to be delt with, even if we are not going to get everything we want out of the deal. The mentality in wisconsin is me, me, me. It resembles the union mentality. Imagine that. Until that mentality is changed, we will not be able to get through these times.

I think you can respect the guy for being a smart fella, but I can't get passed his inability to account for his own votes when it came to VAST amounts of money being spent. Now it's a problem?? How was it acceptable before? I'm not satisfied that he's accountable for the votes he cast and has seemed to jump on the Tea Bagger wagon to make sure the far right base is energized, in other words, 100% politics.
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I also can't get passed the prosperity enjoyed by counties like Rock county, among others, that benefited from strong Union membership for decades upon decades, upon decades. Corporate incompetence broke GM (and Chrysler), not Unions, not Medicare, not SS, but Ryan voted to bail them out. Corporate America can ship jobs to Mexico or elsewhere and reap the benefits of tax payer subsidized bailout funds, but Grandma and Grandpa America get screwed? (along with widows, children with deceased parents, etc...) That's Ayn Rand's America, and that's the one Mr. Ryan idolizes.

I just hope that when Ryan takes away medical insurance for elderly and replaces it with what congress has, that the elderly can have the same cost for insurance based on percentage of income as those in congress have. Oh, by the way, once a representative of congress you have health insurance for life. I wunder what they pay for after office insurance ?

Youkillme, right....USSR or China, OK?

Sorry, jv93. But why should anybody be embarrassed for him? He was there in person delivering his message peacefully. Anybody who has a problem with that needs to look in the mirror. Perhaps China or the old USSR would better fit your style of freedom and individuality.

The guy with the card is an embarrassment. Seriously, look at the picture. It reminds me of the game, "can you name what is wrong with this picture?" If you cannot see the contradictions and be embarrassed for him, maybe you should take a serious look in the mirror.

GlennBeck said, "Limited speech, limited income, limited internet, etc..."
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Limited Internet? No! Geez, Glenn, when did you figure out how to use the Internet? Must be hard to see the screen between all of those tears of patriotic joy.

The guy with the card, "Where are the jobs?" sitting in the audience also had a few others, among them "You lied!" Gets his message across without interrupting the debate. A true patriot. N24, we should keep Ryan in office for his "pull" for Janesville? Tell me O'swami, what has Ryan "pulled" for Janesville in his twelve years in office? Now, y'all don't rush in here and overload the broadband - just a few of his Janesville achievements will do.

Paul Ryan is a Plutocrat! Is the Tea Party going to lobby Federal and State officials to cut the gasoline tax and the sales tax and give the middle class a break? I think the Tea Party and Congressman Paul Ryan represent the multi-millionaires who want a tax cut for themselves and pay only a 25% tax rate, the same tax rate as the middle class. Neither the Tea Party, nor Paul Ryan, represent the middle class or Senior Citizens. The Tea Party, Paul Ryan, Michele Bachmann, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Eric Cantor, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, etc. represent billionaires like monopolist Bill Gates, greedy Steve Forbes, and the evil twin billionaire Koch brothers, David and Charles Koch, and Koch Industries.

Ryan's plan to replace Medicare for those under age 55 right now is very similar to the Health Insurance Affordability Act which he opposes. The biggest difference is his plan doesn't include the protections from being dropped because you get too sick or from insurance companies refusing coverage for preexisting conditions. Without those provisions it is a death sentence for future seniors who won't be able to get insurance coverage. With those provisions included he should support the current act.

Tenacious said, "We have to protect Paul Ryan after all he is going to be our next president."
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Remember other budget "crusaders" in the last 30-40 years? Their political fates are worse than that of a piece of milk toast. Ryan will soon be nothing more than a footnote on page 378 of some obscure academic journal.

And his alternative to Medicare....Give everyone 15 thousand bucks, and when that runs out prepare to meet your maker. Very Republican, Paul. Very Republican.

Anybody who can blow a $12 trillion hole into our national debt and convince voters that Medicare is the prime suspect for the rocketing cost of health care and our debt deserves to be king of the world.

We have to protect Paul Ryan after all he is going to be our next president.

Thanks Paul Ryan. I and thousands of hard working WI folks appreciate your hard work. Thanks for being honest about OUR problem and trying to fix it. 14,000,000,000,000 unreal. That equates to 14,000,000 millions. We either suck it up and get use to smaller government and services or end up like China. Limited speech, limited income, limited internet, etc...

i can respect that jv93...appreciate the reply

We are all going to get the same health care plan as Ryan? Yes. Where do I sign up? That isn't going to cost the nation much.

My guess, and it is a guess - is that Medicare costs less and is superior to what Congress gets.

Stimulus is working! Did you hear McDonalds is hiring 50,000 new employees nationwide. Obama can get the credit now that jobs are being created. He never claimed they would pay more than $8.00 Hr. Oh how proud we are of him.

DavidG: Yes, you are correct. Ryan says people will be offered the same plan Congress has. But he gives no details. However, his plan says that people will be offered vouchers. Now, I really do not think that Ryan and others in Congress use a voucher system, do you? Something is really "rotton in Denmark." When he is at townhall meetings, and people want answers to their questions, he is not giving the details.

Thank you Congressman Ryan for your hard work and smart ideas for returning the USA to a responsible, ethical country! I support your plan and appreciate your intelligence!

I'm fascinated by the idea of everyone getting the same health care insurance deal that congress has. Did Ryan even attempt to explain this minor detail? How in the world are people going to afford insurance in the private sector unless we revert to a national plan which amounts to something like Medicare in the first place?

That amount also includes telepromter support staff. They also go wherever Obama goes.

reload500- I was simply asking a question, not pointing fingers. Others have posted he received threats, that would make it perfectly acceptable. Too bad he needs protection, threats aren't an acceptable way of getting a point across, doesn't matter which side of the aisle you're on.

I am not sure it is safe to do any posting on this website anymore.

nugnrose, Obama has billions of dollars in secret service protection. Does the "messiah" have something to fear?

Or maybe its just their assumptions Janesvillean that are stupid? Perhaps an over-reliance on poor economic theory?

Well thank god for the government Janesvillean. For a second there I thought something in this country was done without relying on the government. Thanks for clearing that up. So who are the incompetent idiots that are royally screwing up their jobs in those agencies right now? Since it is their responsibility and they have such omnipotent power to create jobs from thin air, they must be either malicious or just plain stupid.

nugnrose, About a year ago a citizen angrily accosted Ryan and was pretty threatening so I don't blame him. Tammy Baldwin also has asked that her home address be kept private from public knowledge due to threats and I support in this request. I think Ryan is pretty accessible as I have seen him around town quite often without police presence but given recent events it is prudent to be cautious regardless of which side of the aisle you sit on.

jv93, since 1946, providing full employment has been a policy of the US government by law. The drafters feared the economic consequences of large numbers of unemployed, as the country had experienced in the 1930s, and the political consequences of millions of people with no means to support themselves.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/102...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_...

The guy in the picture is symbolic of where we have arrived in this country. We have been reduced to relying on the "gubmint" to provide us with everything. Its my right to own a home so gubmint must provide. Its my right to have healthcare so gubmint must provide. Its my right to have a job so gubmint must provide. And if they can't provide that job, boy they better send that check! When does the complete and total reliance on government end? When does personal responsibility for yourself and your family kick in? As one poster (I believe it was Ezoner) so eloquently put it earlier today: "you take care of you and your family and I will take care of me and mine." Here here brother.

Ryan attended church in Janesville this past Sunday, accompanying him was a armed police officer. Is this standard procedure or does Ryan think he has something to fear?

Kid, I never said he was smart for making that promise. What will help is to make WI more business friendly, but no government can deliver jobs. And no I never blamed Obama for unemployment. I believe his policies are not helping the matter but is it his fault? No. No politician is that powerful. I believe Walker made a mistake promising 250k jobs. He may end up paying for it. It is Walker's job to get this state into shape to attract employers. His influence ends there.

They look really scared. They are afraid of what Ryan's plan will do.

Hey McDonald, trickle-down is what the client gets after lawyer fees. For a profession that seeks the truth, I can't believe you don't see the farse Obama is.

Youse watch. It's been ten years of Bush tax cuts for the job creating producers of the world. They should be kicking in any day now.

Don't cry, honey, everything will be all right.

jv93: if its not the govts job to create jobs why would scotty promise 250,000?? seems like a big number if thats not even his responsibility. the good part is because there is sooooo little hypocrisy that im sure youve never blamed obama for the national unemployment rate anyways.

The old man sleeping looks like Herb Kohl when he is in Washington.

You know what is sad? The guy in the picture has a sign that reads "Where are the jobs!" Not only is his punctuation incorrect but he perhaps unknowingly supports the idea that it is government's job to provide him with a job. All this while wearing a shirt questioning why somebody should trust government! I'm just going to put my head in my hands and cry at how clueless people have become.

Ryan 2012

Trickle down economics worked exactly as planned.Ryan in nothing but a carpetbagger at best. When your family is rich you don't have to worry much

Paul Ryan is so right!