Milton survey says: 'Yes, no, maybe' to new pool

By NEIL JOHNSON ( Contact )   Monday, April 11, 2011
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Click here for a full overview of the Milton Pool survey results which was provided by School Perceptions LLC, the consultants who conducted the survey for the Milton School District and the YMCA of Northern Rock County.

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Members of the Milton High School boys swim team practice in the school's pool. The school district says expensive repairs are needed at the pool. The district surveyed local residents to find out how they feel about plans for a new swimming pool at the Crossridge Park YMCA.

Members of the Milton High School boys swim team practice in the school's pool. The school district says expensive repairs are needed at the pool. The district surveyed local residents to find out how they feel about plans for a new swimming pool at the Crossridge Park YMCA.

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What: 6:30 p.m. tonight, a consultant with School Perceptions, LLC, which conducted the recent Milton pool survey, will explain the survey results and field questions from the Milton School Board.

Where: The Milton High School library, 114 W. High Street, Milton.

Who responded to the survey?


The Milton pool survey results were drawn from 1082 district residents—about 26 percent of potential respondents, according to an overview supplied by the Milton School District. Here are more figures from the overview that give insight into who took the survey:

-- 37 percent live within Milton city limits, while 24 percent live in the town of Harmony.

-- 54 percent have lived in the Milton area for more than 20 years.

-- 39 percent were 35-54 years old.

-- 24 percent were age 65 or older—and 68 percent did not have school-age children.

-- 73 percent reported neither they nor anyone in their home had used the existing pool in the past month.

— Do residents in the Milton School District want a new indoor swimming pool facility built on the south end of Milton, possibly through a partnership between the Milton School District and YMCA of Northern Rock County?

The answer is yes, sort of.

As taxpayers, would those same residents want to support a possible $4 million referendum to pay for that plan? The answer: No—sort of.

Milton School District and YMCA of Northern Rock County recently released the results of a survey taken this winter that asked whether school district residents want to repair the district's 45-year old pool at Milton High School, or explore building a new, $4 million pool facility in partnership with the YMCA.

The survey also asked whether residents would support a $4 million referendum by the school district to build a new pool facility at a location a mile from the high school.

The school district hoped the survey would help the school board gauge public sentiment on what to do with the district's aging pool.

According to survey results, 38 percent of all respondents said they favor the idea of building a new pool along with the YMCA. 34 percent said the district should repair its existing pool, and 28 percent either weren't sure or thought other options should be explored.

But when asked whether they would support a referendum to build the pool—an expense that would mean a tax increase of about $16 a year for a resident with a $100,000 home—the answer was more definitive: 50 percent of all respondents said no—compared to 36 percent who said yes, and 15 percent who wanted more information.

Yet a more detailed breakdown of the survey—one which split survey respondents into two demographic groups, "parents" and "non-parents," based on whether or not they had school-age children—showed the results weren't that cut and dried.

For instance, 47 percent of "parents" responding said they would support a referendum for a new pool, compared to 42 percent of "parents" who said they would not. And 50 percent of "parents" said they would advise the board to explore a partnership with the YMCA on a new pool.

A survey overview suggests older residents may have been overrepresented in the survey. It said 24 percent of the survey's respondents were senior citizens, which by proportion is double the elderly population in the Milton area, according to census figures.

A representative from School Perceptions, LLC, the consultant who conducted the survey, plans to explain the survey results and answer questions at a school board meeting tonight.

Meanwhile, here are some comments and questions from people who offered written responses to the survey, according to the school district:

-- "Where are people going to get the money with the job market as it is? Not to mention the budget repair bill which will be taking even more funds from the school programs. We will be asked to fund more for those losses also."

-- "There are three of us in our family who would love to use a new pool at the (future) Y (facility). I think it will save money in the long run to build a new one rather than repair the old one."

-- "I do not want anything to do with the YMCA or a collaboration of building a pool with them. Repair our school pool for now either with the bare minimum or until a new school is built, or remodel it with an expansion if a new school is not an option in the next five to 10 years."

-- "Have been sad this (a new pool) hasn't existed while we have lived here. This area really could use a 50-meter pool to house USA long course meets…something sorely lacking in this part of the state."

Repair or build new: That's the question

The following is a breakdown with some key details on the two options presented in the Milton pool survey—to repair or build new:

Option A: Repair and upgrade the existing pool at the high school, which is 45 years old and needs repairs and upgrades.

The district says the plan could cost $1.3 million, and could include mechanical improvements, new tile decking, a new pool lining and an ultraviolet light cleaning system.

The district estimates it would cost $150,000 a year to continue operating the pool at the high school, although it's not clear whether those estimates reflect savings the district could see through upgrades.

The biggest shortcoming of the existing pool, the district says, is that it has only six lanes, making it to small to house major swim meets. Plus, the pool has relatively small areas for seating for spectators and limited deck space for competitors.

Option B: For the school district to consider building a new pool facility at Crossridge Park on Milton's south side, where the YMCA of Northern Rock County plans to eventually build a full-service YMCA.

The facility would have a competition-size pool with eight lanes, allowing the district to host sectional events and other major competitions. Yet, the site is a mile away from Milton High School, where the district's current pool is located, which means district students using the pool would have to be bused in.

The project would cost $4 million, and would likely require a referendum.

Under the plan, the district would own the new pool facility, with the Y taking over operations and maintenance. The arrangement would cost the district up front, but would save on operating costs the district says.

The district says it would form an operating agreement with the Y guaranteeing that:

-- Local youth and school swim teams would have full access to the new pool for practices and swim events

-- Milton students k-12 would have continued access to the pool for physical education classes.

-- The Milton School District would set rates for public swimming at the pool.

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oldestofthree
Apr 12, 2011 at 2:35 p.m.
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Too many questions not answered! Thats why you got no clear answers!
The 3 R's are too important to give up bussing time for!

luvmykids4
Apr 12, 2011 at 10:52 a.m.
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I used to be a member of the Y at Pabst Farm in Oconomowoc, and our family enjoyed the partnership between the school and the ymca there alot. I hope Milton and Y here can do the same.

justonepost
Apr 12, 2011 at 10:47 a.m.
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I would fully support a large investment in the current pool. I would rather spend the same $$$ on completely gutting the current pool than building a new pool with a partnership of the Y.
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I have nothing against the Y as I am very happy with my membership. However, this type of investment is better done independently. One bad Y manager could ruin the partnership and that isn't worth the risk.
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Spend the $4 million if needed but do so on the current pool and without a partnership.

kkrrjj
Apr 12, 2011 at 10:33 a.m.
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Bussing to on off site location during the school day would be a joke to say the least - my daughter just finished the swim unit at MHS - the spend about 25 minutes in the pool, by the time they get changed and into the water, swim a little, and then get back to the locker room to get dressed again, the 50 minute class time is up - add bussing and they are going to be in the water for what 15 min??

Keep it where it is at - and fix it up

msfitness35
Apr 12, 2011 at 10:04 a.m.
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I did not receive a survey, but I think the Y does a great job on family programs. It seems like the key is the operating agreement.

msfitness35
Apr 12, 2011 at 9:17 a.m.
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I love the family pool at the Janesville Y....its great!....we need one in Milton!!!!

TroubleMaker
Apr 11, 2011 at 11 p.m.
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The Milton schools portion of our property taxes went up 13% last year -- not okay! Kind of obnoxious to even discuss a referendum to raise the property taxes even more.
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dukeman is right on.

baegucb
Apr 11, 2011 at 9:51 p.m.
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Exactly how does a pool improve education?

wislady
Apr 11, 2011 at 8:56 p.m.
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Keep the pool where it is, and do NOT go into partnership with the Y. Far less to upgrade, and see what a few years brings....maybe a new pool in the future.

nemesis
Apr 11, 2011 at 8:32 p.m.
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Hey, if the "parents" want it fine - but don't force the elderly, singles, and couples who have no offspring in school to pay for this monstrosity. Don't forget the cost of busing kids to and from the pool and the school. That's not included in the referendum.

just_tryin
Apr 11, 2011 at 8:27 p.m.
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It is not reasonable to think that kids would be bused off site for gym classes, swim practice and meets. They could use the nice new Suburbans the district has, but probably couldn't get a whole class there in one trip. I also believe that transporting off site would add liability to the district. Another reason for saying no to a new pool is the way the school board went about this. With roughly one million dollars a year saved in decreased teachers health insurance costs, they decided to add 4-k (free four year old pre-K for the parents) and waste the money. (This was done for mostly additional cash for the district from the state, not because of significant, proven, educational value). Anyways, two weeks after free pre-k is approved, the pool subject comes up. If the money from the insurance savings was used towards the pool, the repair of the existing pool would have been paid off in less than two years with no extra cost to the taxpayer.

dukeman
Apr 11, 2011 at 8:13 p.m.
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I agree...a partnership with the Y is a mistake.

Upgrade the existing pool. But do it right. Expand to an eight lane pool. Add adequate seating. Upgrade the locker rooms. (The existing locker rooms are a complete embarrassment.) Keep the sporting facilities centralized as was the dream of Big Wally, when he built and donated Schilberg park. Moving the pool off campus is not in the best interest of the kids or the school district.

The existing pool has proven to be a valuable asset to any child that has grown up in the Milton area. It continues to get heavy usage by children and adults. It would be money well spent and a smart investment for the school and community. Do a pool project, just don't do it off campus or with the Y.

fromjanesville2waukesha
Apr 11, 2011 at 8:11 p.m.
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Many students want many things.

inde53546
Apr 11, 2011 at 6:44 p.m.
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All recreation activities are paid for by the participants. No "educational" dollars are used for recreation

eatlessmovemore
Apr 11, 2011 at 5:41 p.m.
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Using educational dollars for recreation, what a novel idea.

TroubleMaker
Apr 11, 2011 at 5:23 p.m.
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Under the option for a new pool at the new Y location "Milton students k-12 would have continued access to the pool for physical education classes." Who's trying to fool whom? It's goofy to think they would bus kids to an off-site location a mile away and back during school hours for a phy ed class. In reality, the Y Option means Milton High School students would not have swim class as part of the phy ed program (but maybe that's okay). Let's just be honest.

inde53546
Apr 11, 2011 at 4:11 p.m.
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I never received a survey and I live in Milton district but city of Janesville.

I would support basic upgrades to the current facilities.

inde53546
Apr 11, 2011 at 4:10 p.m.
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Partnering with the Y would be a colossal mistake. Milton's pool is used as a COMMUNITY pool if you involve the Y you take away that freedom. the H.S. hosts aquatics programs for elders/disabled, youth swim lessons for youths, and birthday parties all at a much more affordable rate without the hefty membership fees. Not to mention the H.S. and youth swim teams that would be in compettion with swim lessons and open swim etc. at the Y. Besides that the Y does not run anything well. I have 2 yound kids and haven't been happy with any programs at the Y. There is a reason the Y no longer has youth football, wrestling or swim. It's done better at the community level. Milton just took back baseball from the Y. BIG MISTAKE don't do it.

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