non: LOL! You're gold man. Keep up the good work.

If everybody had opportunity,responsible use of drugs would be the issue,if you chose to sample.

No. Its just ranting. Maybe you should blog or something.

if the rich don't get there tax cuts will they simultaneously pull out of the markets to show who's boss,will the shadow plutocracy show itself blatantly?

hey superdave mustaine,I just post points in paragraph form,having a point is to narrow,were in a forum,it's about concepts and questions

id like to see a jobs system like the military's model instituted worldwide, when your called on for duty you get the info on the job to study,then off to the job for a time,then pick from some different orders and so on.You go to different places,slowly learn basic parts of the language to get along,you'll know the job from studying.After the shift which is maybe one or two days a week because we obviously have a worker surplus world wide,so there's no reason to sweat,just do the job and off to see the countryside-meet the locals-see the world-then when the thing is up you pick new orders and accomodations-people would just do what needs to be done for the pop. of the world. I don't believe that creativity or invention would suffer,that's what leaders worry about with a system like this,today we horde information-in the present system,there are many ways for a society to be.To me China tweaked our economic model with more regulation and they look real solid,conservative.

nonegeffect: Re: your last six posts. You are using too many words and straying from topic to topic in a stream of conciousness style brain dump. I am not getting any of your points. What is your point?
Have a glass of wine, take a deep breath, and then write something understandable. Please. :)

simply,29000 people dead in Mexico's drug war in one year-chaos. If drugs were legalized for one year with education fervently extended to the population on substances, what would be the death toll?

Colorado has a good drug policy, $100 fine so people stay out of site while acting goofy,it's a good policy,sober in public,got kids-no fun for you, responsibility your middle name,no driving-safety is everyone's responsibility always

Wisconsin Atty. Gen. JB van Hollen wanted to challenge the constitutionality of the Health Care Bill. Who benefits? The judicial system,more tax money for the time of all the lawyers-they have their hands permenantly affixed in the taxpayer pot and they are organized-contribute money to their lobbying groups influencing legislators-the people that govern the society-supposedly unbiased but habitually seek advice of often first and foremost people in the penal system-"on the front lines", that want to keep the money flowing-so we need lots of laws-conflict,so buisness is always booming-more taxpayer money please-appeal,appeal-get it! America and other countries are plagued with big money corruption/conflict of interest in their People's Houses of government and without a drug war-or some kind of demerit system in the society, the people would not fear as much to get involved,investigate and demand transparency in the people's house,the drug war is just one way to cancel millions out of the system and then the family that is left has to seek help and rely even more and be more consenting to things that they might not agree with but will do smiling-fear.THINK-its a sham, think about the players and the moves they make-the reason is money, in a politically correct way. Read about the history of slavery. The gangs of chicago were asked to stop the violence so they raised signs that said "JOBS", under capitalism/plutocracy it has always been and always will be "Jobs". So go drink and listen to the same music and traditions to keep you comatose or else they'll gladly see you raising the stock prices in their penal industry-get it! THINK, in the military you know right away your life is considered expendable, they call you a "body"

all drugs are a health issue-if there's a problem,go to the doctor,educate people about the substances found on the earth-easy,but alot of people would lose on that arrangement-get it-think-who's making money,lives are really not an issue to a man's income for HIS family.

Capitalism is the crime-greed,,OBAMA the man for the common man.

In our current social system-Capitalism, no money can be made without conflict-yin/yang! If we legalize drugs what tool would the rich/government/plutocracy have as an excuse to take excess inadequacy(population) out of the economic/social equation cheaply/profitably. Stock market prisons-did you know these corporations and investors offer governments a way to save money with private stock market prisons-search "private prisons"-these people are in the people's state houses lobbying for harsh,prolonged sentencing-get it!If you wonder why things happen-ask:who is benefitting? Where's the money going and how is it secured.Capitalism has alot of slack in prosperity,the vast majority will be poor because the opportunity is sucked up and held by the rich already in the know.What happened in Cuba,Castro saw the rich buying the island up,so few with so much and so many with so little,so Castro threw them out so that everyone could live at least decently,they are poor now because all the rich were thrown out but they're living decently/fairness.If drugs are legalized there will be more crime and not because of drug use,because all those people that were narrowly surviving,facing extreme violence everyday,not knowing where their head will rest that night,that are in drug trafficking,will no longer have a way to earn the government's dollar.We sent a bunch of money down to Mexico,you see all new helicopters,nice uniforms,good wages,nice new Ford vehicles,and the best guns money can buy to slaughter people that live in dirt and are offered/see a chance at opportunity selling-drugs-you would too.Now we can have a conflict,lawyers put there hand once again into the plentiful taxpayer pot to work with other governmental lawyers to extradite and take these people to court and appeal infinitely,then give a life sentence into the stock market prison. Try to see through the eyes of an ultra rich person,imagine,really,now what do you care about and how do you want your back yard regulated in America where money rules everything,.With our technology shouldn't we be able to overhaul the way government is run to be more directly by the will of the people-internet voting, we are still sending a guy on a horse to the capitol to "represent us" because we have "no phone","means of transportation",why still this process,because money,if you were a millionaire with assets all over the country would you want a family in a trailer park having a say about what you own? .Do you think the "stock market penal system" wants to end any conflict,give up the federal funding-they have to substantiate the need for more funding, the drug war is a gold mine in so many ways for so many for so long and they ain't giving it up .The poor are the waste product of a thriving Capitalist system and the rich throw these people where they can't be seen or heard and all the employees can't say anything about what happens in the penal system-no transparency-perfection,just the tip of the iceberg

and id be happy to read a link that says 1 joint is equal to 7 cigarettes if youd like to provide one.

be my guest lynda....

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...

http://www.cancer-health.info/?p=23772

please let me what you think about these links...

I think the issue of legalization comes down to what is more beneficial for our society. Is it that we continue to prohibit the growth, sale, and use of a plant to the cost of BILLIONS of dollars? Or is perhaps better for us all if we legalize it, tax it, and sell it in designated stores? Even let people grow the plant themselves for their own consumption? I think the overcrowding of jails with pot-offenders is draining our resources and creating criminals out of people who often represent no threat to society. The money being poured into a failed war on drugs, the resources being tied up for law enforcement, jail/prison systems, the courts....we need a new approach. Legalize it, allow licensed grow operations and dispensaries/pot shops, allow people to grow for personal use, tax it - and let's see how that works. I have yet to see any solid financial arguments for why we shouldn't legalize weed. I understand the emotional argument (gateway drug etc), but I disagree with the reasoning. Hard drug users will always blame a "gateway drug" for their misery. If it's not pot, it will be something else. Same with alcohol. Some can't handle their liquor. Some can't handle their weed. But I'd rather deal with that than deal with the horrendous crimes happening in both the US and Mexico due to something as benign as a cannabis plant.

Kid: How can you be so adamant that your facts are any more accurate than anyone else's?
How can it make any sense that smoking that crap won't do harm as much (or more) as cigarettes? Are you the resident expert now?

Bill - Capone made his money during the prohibition years through a anumber of activities, but mostly through the sale of alcohal - since you had to smuggle it in it was a real money maker. He was in jail by the time prohibition ended.

dont give up yet you rant every chance you get to point out our 'immorality' and support for the mexican cartels. our efforts would be easier if we didnt have people posting as you do making people think we are the bad guys. you dont have to join us but your anti-pot rants are unnecessary

No, I don't suggest you give up your efforts. I suggest you accept the fact that your efforts aren't very effective yet. And since your efforts are going to take some time to come to fruition, I also suggest that you help stem the carnage that's occurring now, obey the law and save some lives. You can work for legalization and you can deny the drug gangs their profits.

thats actually not a fact. did you know that thc has reduced the size of tumors?? did you know tests have shown it to halt the spread of breast cancer??

bill: im w superdave. do you suggest we give up our efforts?? you say we are going no where but you are wrong. will it be legal tomorrow?? no. but california is voting for all out legalization in november. 14 years after they passed medical usage 14 states have followed suit and the federal govt has stated it will no longer arrest state legal users. as more states pass marijuana initiatives uncle sam will have no choice but to remove his penalties, reverting to the constitution and allowing states to decide. now if they decide to reclassify marijuana as a schedule II narcotic instead of a schedule I(worse than coke) then states will pass marijuana legislation in no time. we dont have the answer to alternative energy tomorrow...that doesnt mean we should stop trying...

•Smoking one joint is equal to smoking 7-10 cigarettes.
That's a fact!

bill: You are right in theory, but people will not stop smoking pot, drinking alcohol, or taking any other drug of choice even if they make the mental link to violence. That was shown during Prohibition. In the meantime, I will continue to voice my support of drug re-legalization. Other than stating my opinion, I am not part of any effort to legalize pot, and I do not personally smoke pot.
Do you understand that pot is illegal because it better serves the powers that be? Are you aware of the history, the reasons pot was made illegal in the first place?

Oh I get the point guys, but so far, your efforts to legalize the stuff is gong nowhere. Realistically speaking, since you can't seem to get it legalized, there really is only one way to stop the carnage that's going on right now, stop buying marijuana. Legalizing marijuana is just so much pie-in-the-sky since you can't seem to get it done and it certainly isn't going to happen even next year. So it won't save any lives anytime soon. But we can make a difference now. Just stop buying marijuana now. It's not that hard to do. Wouldn't you save a drowning man if you could, even if you can't save them all?

bill: "There's lots of money to be made selling untaxed alcohol just as there will be in selling untaxed marijuana". I suppose this is true, but you're missing the point. Thugs used to kill each other with tommy guns on the streets of Chicago to protect their booze business. Now that booze is legal, you don't see that so much. And the government makes a lot of money taxing it, instead of wasting a lot of money going after illegal booze.

im tempted for a long winded, thc induced rant, but ill keep it to this point billnewbie. you say that

'It's unrealistic to think that drug gangs will just go away when drugs are legalized'

i agree 110%. i agree 200%. i agree infinite:) think about that. its also unrealistic to think they will go away if everyone stops smoking pot. if you were successful in getting everyone to stop smoking pot it would just...and im using YOUR words here so ill quote..."make them change their business strategy just as they always have"

if we eliminate their market, which can be done by either getting everyone to stop smoking pot OR legalizing it, regulating it, and taxing it we will give the cartels one less thing to profit over. you should orate on my team cuz i GAURANTEE you my way is faster...

Isn't it your assertion that legal marijuana will generate gobs of tax revenue? Capone and his boys didn't get out of the hooch business you know. They just changed tactics. Our government puts a heavy tax on alcohol which I know you know since you say that legalized marijuana can follow that same model. Drug gangs will also follow that same business model Capone's boys came up with all those years ago. There's lots of money to be made selling untaxed alcohol just as there will be in selling untaxed marijuana, should legalized marijuana ever come into being. It's unrealistic to think that drug gangs will just go away when drugs are legalized. Those who think so don't know their history. Did crime gangs get out of the gambling business now that there are legal casinos all over the country? Of course not! The only way to get rid of criminal organizations is to stop doing business with them. Making their product legal won't put them out of business, it will just make them change their business strategy just as they always have. But murdering the competition without regard for who may be in the line of fire is a tactic that history tells us they will never change.

Someone rewind the kid, another pot story will be posted shortly.

for what its worth, i have learned and changed my thought process on numerous topics covered on a regular basis by the gazette. i love learning new info...its what keeps us sharp. if you present some new info regarding marijuana ill gladly look at it and try to learn from it. i have yet to see it. the only things people bring at me i could have gotten by watching 'reefer madness'

billnewbie: it is absolutely ok for you to encourage people to obey the law. i dont think its ok to say that those who dont are immoral, but thats up to you and your judgements. i have no problem with people not accepting my opinions as fact...i have a problem with people who ignore the facts i post because they have their own opinions. i do appreciate your reply billnewbie...but you didnt anwer my question. you acknowledge the far fetchedness of getting all pot smokers to stop smoking pot but you completely avoid the option i have to limit the blood spilled by the cartel. wouldnt it make sense since getting all pot smokers to quit isnt reasonable...to allow americans like myself to grow and sell to other adult americans?? isnt that exactly how they ended al capones raid??

are those quotation marks?? cuz i think that means i actually said what you quoted, you wouldnt be making stuff up would you?? blinded by my drugs and im a victim?? wow. how to even have a logical conversation with that thought process. i asked billnewbie a question that he didnt anwer. that he hasnt answered even thou ive asked it several times of him. if you read the thread you will see that by him not answering i said i was right and he had no intention of a meaningful, insightful convo, as much as he just wanted to preach. sort of like your comments that add nothing of substance to the thread and only work to improve your self esteem by seeing your name in print. you are right though when you say i havent grown up...ive acknowledged my lack of maturity, and more so my appreciation for said lack of maturity. my immature self is not surprised however to learn that you have not progressed on the intelligence tree any more than i have on the maturity one. good day sir. i said good day.

I've noticed that you seem to have little desire to learn and that you lack any motive beyond preaching what you believe on this subject, Kid. Not that I would ever admit that is true about me. See, we do have one thing in common. However, I have learned one thing from you, that when folks don't adopt your opinions or accept your assertions as fact, you don't take that kind of rejection very well. Aside from that, debate with you seems pointless. I'm well aware of your opinions and I reject most of them. The same is true of you concerning my opinions. That doesn't deter you from posting your thoughts. Neither will it deter me. That's why I wasn't going to bother answering your question. However, at the risk of being called a hypocrite yet again and since you insist....

Is it realistic to urge marijuana users to stop buying marijuana, even to save the lives of all those people being slaughtered in Mexico? No, that would defy human nature. As long as the penalties are light (since possession of marijuana is only a little more serious than a parking ticket and getting caught with it can be easily avoided except by the most careless) marijuana users will continue to defy the law, avoid the newspapers and rationalize that it's not their fault about all those people getting hurt when they can't avoid the news. Furthermore, those who say it can't be done will always fail, even if they wanted to accomplish that feat, which marijuana users consistently prove they don't, not even to save the lives of all those innocent Mexican bystanders that just happen to get in the line of fire of all those bullets bought with the money supplied by American marijuana users.

I may be on an impossible quest, but I will never-the-less implore marijuana user to help stop the carnage. Wouldn't we all help a drowning person if we could, even though we can't save all the drowning victims in the world? Wouldn't we try to save someone from a fire if we could, even though we can't save all the victims of fires? We can help save someone from being killed by drug gangs, even if we can't stop all the killing. All we have to do is obey the law. Is it really wrong for me to urge marijuana users to do that? Why is that to much to ask of them?

thekid still hasn't grown up "answer my questions & if you don't that makes me right" blinded by your own drugs ... that makes you a victim.

Damn straight your stomach would explode. But don’t get me wrong here but there are other plants out there that god has made here on earth that will kill a person like opium poppy poison ivy & various others plants but marijuana has never killed anyone. Tobacco will kill you overtime but that’s mainly due to burning of the plant material vaporization now days are ideal to bypass the nasty toxic smoke tar & high temperatures produced by combustion.

Water will kill you if you drink to much.

Ok here’s a question for yea and it’s a true one too. God made our green herb marijuana & man made alcohol now who do you trust? Alcohol will kill you if overdosed & marijuana will not. I will tell you who I trust I would trust god’s green herb marijuana if I was a marijuana smoker before I even think about touching man made alcohol but everybody has different thoughts than I do.

You know a person can grow as many nicotina tobacum plants aka tobacco in house hold planters for their own personal use but soon as the law finds out someone is growing hemp/marijuana plants and prove it they start doing the drug bust. But of course tobacco is legal unlike hemp/marijuana is that’s why the people that make these ridiculous laws need to lift the prohibition to stop these unnecessary arrests. If people out there would really take the time to research on the net about the real truth on the Hemp/Marihuana prohibition they would understand the facts & start protesting for the end of its prohibition. If I seen someone smoking marijuana growing marijuana or even smell the scent of marijuana would I call it in nope not at all I would let the person or persons continue about their businesses why cause they ant hurting nobody & I know the facts about Hemp/Marijuana & its prohibition & I think it is very stupid & a big waste of time.

billnewbie wont answer my question cuz he knows the answer to my question. thats what makes him a hypocrite. preaching his moral superiority and saying pot smokers need to stop to hurt the cartles, and never acknowledging there is an easier more realistic way to get to that goal, and he is part of the problem that CREATES the market for the cartels to exist. his plan is not realistic and mine is. once he acknowledges that he will have no choice but to hop off the holier than thou soap box.

'I wish that there was a more efficient system to punish the user also'

i agree that irresponsible use of ANY drug can ruin homes. ive seen it. i saw it with a legal drug, but the drug doesnt matter. i dont agree that they need to 'punish' the user. at all. if they use it responsible as myself and millions do, there is no need for punishment, and if they use it in an irresponsible manner as you saw, punishment is not the answer either...they need help and jail is the LAST place to get that effectively

My family was torn apart because of daily marijuana use in the house. I am glad that the busts are occurring and dealers are being punished. BUT that does not offer any solution or assistance to those who are affected by a user. Maybe the user's dealer will be caught - but that is not the case in this bust. The dealers I know of are still out there, untouched. I agree with the statement below - "marijuana is illegal". Whether people agree or not it IS the law. I wish that there was a more efficient system to punish the user also. These people, though not selling, are hurting the community too and more importantly children. I am glad that the city/county is pursuing the marijuana issue. Please continue but can the users be caught too. Though small fish they also do BIG damage.

thekid - you hit the nail on the head. Saying that we should eliminate the drug cartel violence by no longer using marijuana is like saying we can stop the obesity epidemic by no longer eating anything unhealthy. Is it true? Sure. Realistic? No. I hope billnewbie answers your question.

billnewbie you continue to interject your opinion on this subject and that of course is ok, but it implies you want to have a conversation about this. please answer or you will prove me right in that you have no desire to learn and that you have no motive other than to preach your beliefs...

we need to reduce the need for the cartels to import marijuana. we need to eliminate the market where its financially justifiable for the cartels to have large grow ops, babysat by illegal immigrants, in state parks. that we agree on. which scenario is more realistic billnewbie?? a) every pot smoker in the u.s. quits smoking. or b) uncle sam regulates it, allowing people like myself to grow and sell marijuana to adults in a responsible tax paying manner??

spunk: run for pres?? ive got better things to do with my time:) i wouldnt legalize marijauna even if i was pres. id simply remove federal penalties, follow the constitution and let the individual states decide if its legal or not.

i dont know you personally so i woulndt say you are ignorant in general. regarding marijuana yes. self righteous?? yes. you should try reading your posts with from our perspective.

so that means that you arent going to respond to my questions??

"billnewbie your arent an idiot or a hypocrite;)"
But I am ignorant and self-righteous, eh kid?

kid - ever considered runnin' for president? :)

Bravo Billnewbie! Well put. The kid, I love your passion and your posts.

yeah noleftist. according to our lefty friends marijauna should be legal and we need to stop infringing on rights of americans. i know lots of you noleftist peeps are only concerned about individual rights when they are YOUR individual rights. see billnewbie, this is why we use terms like idiot and hypocrite. noleftist...how do you feel about obamacare??

billnewbie your arent an idiot or a hypocrite;)

please respond to my points here, rather than doing what you normally do and leave after a long winded morally superior rant like that

'If our marijuana using friends and neighbors would only develop a keener sense of responsibility than they have now and stop buying from drug gangs'

the people arrested here had NOTHING to do with gangs, cartels, or illegal immigrants...yet they were arrested?? shouldt you be preaching AGAINST the arrest of these adults?? these guys are doing more to harm the cartels power than any self righteous preaching you do.

'Concerning the "Gateway" debate, years ago I knew a number of people who indulged in marijuana use. All of them experimented with other drugs such as LSD, hashish, uppers, downers and the like'

did these people also smoke cigarrettes?? did they drink alcohol?? im just curious at what point you blame a drug for someone using another drug.

'As for marijuana being "victimless", I wish that were true. I've seen marriages destroyed, families split, children hurt by marijuana use. It's true, you won't find any marijuana users suffering from overdoses in the ER, but there is a lot of collateral damage associated with marijuana use'

marijauna is not victimless. you are mixing points here. marijuana cultivation and adult consumption/possession is a victimless crime. can you tell me SPECIFICALLY who is the victim in this story?? if someone uses the marijuana in an irresponsible manner like driving, or selling it to minors, that is the choice of the individual. we dont blame alcohol when a minor drinks...we blame the person who served it to them.

'Should we accept marijuana use like we do alcohol use on the basis that its not as bad as alcohol?'

yes. its called individual freedoms. its what this country was founded on right?? maybe your mind doesnt see it this way but there are MILLIONS of pot smokers out there and lots of posters here who think its unamerican and insulting that adults can choose to consume alcohol regardless of the problems it causes, yet its illegal to smoke pot, even though it doesnt cause problems to the extent of alcohol. please note the pro-pot people dont rally for illegal alcohol cuz that would be rights infringing. we rally for equality.

ive posed this question to you before and you either a)dont see it or 2)you dont really care about this any more than to preach your moral superiority. we need to reduce the need for the cartels to import marijuana. we need to eliminate the market where its financially justifiable for the cartels to have large grow ops, babysat by illegal immigrants, in state parks. that we agree on. which scenario is more realistic billnewbie?? a) every pot smoker in the u.s. quits smoking. or b) uncle sam regulates it, allowing people like myself to grow and sell marijuana to adults in a responsible tax paying manner??

According to our lefty friends, we need to legalize pot and outlaw kids' meals.

If our marijuana using friends and neighbors would only develop a keener sense of responsibility than they have now and stop buying from drug gangs, then, if this happened, the money in illegal pot would be gone over night, the murders would stop for lack of funding for weaponry, and the illegal immigration problem would be significant;y reduced. Fat chance of that though. As long as marijuana users can blame our government for the blood shed to make and deliver their favorite drug, marijuana users will continue to buy without reservation, assured by their rationalizations that they are faultless for all the carnage wrought on their behalf since they are forced to buy from these killers and, most importantly, they aren't pulling any triggers. They say, "legalize it and that will happen". Until they legalize it, a distant proposition at best, we can put an end to the carnage now by not buying marijuana now. But it seems that marijuana users want their drug more than they want the carnage to stop, since it's in their power to stop it but they won't.

Concerning the "Gateway" debate, years ago I knew a number of people who indulged in marijuana use. All of them experimented with other drugs such as LSD, hashish, uppers, downers and the like. Some went back to marijuana alone but all tried something else at one time or another. Unfortunately a couple of them died of drug overdoses. Is marijuana a gateway drug? I don't need a study done by a group of pro-marijuana researchers to tell me it isn't. Many people, myself included, have seen the proof for themselves. Is there something in the drug itself that causes folks to try other more dangerous drugs? Other than the high" one gets from it, and the promise of "better" "stronger" highs, perhaps not. However, even though they say that correlation does not imply causation, but it certainly does hint rather strongly sometimes, such as in this case.

As for marijuana being "victimless", I wish that were true. I've seen marriages destroyed, families split, children hurt by marijuana use. It's true, you won't find any marijuana users suffering from overdoses in the ER, but there is a lot of collateral damage associated with marijuana use.

To my mind, it does no good to compare marijuana use with alcohol use. Even if it's true that alcohol use causes more problems that marijuana use that's not much of a reason to support marijuana. Should we accept marijuana use like we do alcohol use on the basis that its not as bad as alcohol? That's a poor way to promote it. No wonder marijuana supporters are having so much trouble getting it legalized. That and they have a propensity for calling folks that oppose them names such as idiot, hypocrite and the like.

Nice little family run business. Mom, pop, and son.

The question that should be asked by everyone is not should pot be legal or illegal but what is more harmful to society pot or the drug war on pot? I think just based on that question the drug war on pot is doing more harm then good and always has. It seems we just keep throwing good tax payer money away and jailing people who are little or no threat to society, not a very wise use of money. The War on Drugs has never been about drug control and helping people get off drugs, if it was we would put people in rehab not jail.
Just decriminalize it so people can grow their own in the backyard, they don’t need or want a government sanctioned, corporate controlled industry like cigarette companies or drug companies they just need government out of their backyards. If this happened the money in illegal pot would be gone over night and so would about 30% of the money we waste on enforcement and prosecution, that’s real money folks.

First, Mr. Bartel is currently on probation for Manufacture/Delivery of cocaine.

Second, I doubt these raids would have occurred unless there was evidence of trafficking. Going on the likelihood that these folks were indeed trafficking, I have no sympathy. As I see it, there is a huge difference between those who grow strictly for personal use versus those who grow to sell. My only concern with marijuana is when it gets into the hands of minors. Research indicates that it has a permanent negative effect on developing brains of children that it does not have on adults.

Although legalization and regulation would not prevent marijuana from falling into the hands of our youth (just as regulation of alcohol does not prevent it from doing so), it would allow law enforcement and the criminal justice system to focus on THAT issue rather than the personal mj consumer.

Pursuit of traffickers is not a waste of our law enforcement dollars. Investigating, arresting, prosecuting, and jailing personal users is.

Prohibition doesn't work causes more harm than good. They tried that with alcohol for 13 years from 1920 thru 1933 and it failed than the government lifted it and started regulating alcohol but the Hemp/Marihuana prohibition seems to be sticking around and this prohibition has been around since 1937 wow that's a long prohibition. Maybe its because Hemp has so many values and its flowers has so many medicinal values and they don't want people to have this source. Who knows. But I tell you this through my research marijuana is not a dangerous drug it's just big business for the justice system slapping fines on the prohibition offenders and its paraphernalia.

I love the term, "Drug bust." These plants could be 10 day old seedlings or full grown plants. They'll all get off with misdemeanors or less and we'll be paying these excess cops' full pensions long after the legalization discussion is over. Would any citizen/cop rather deal with a person who drank a full bottle of Jack Daniels or who's smoked pot filled cigars for the last 12 hours straight?

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this isnt russia. is this russia danny?? this isnt russia

No more band playing for Rick.

pbrman- I know one of these OLD MEN did this in front of the kids all the time. Do the kids like pot too. More than half of them YES.

gonefishin- we are not jealous. We are wondering why such a well paid employee with benefits must still SELL pot. These amounts are not just for personal use!!

Guess how many were GM employees!!!!
I find that interesting!

evans: Some posters are making a point about the myth of the so-called "gateway" drug. SInce some of the people in the article were kids in the 60s, why haven't they moved on to "hard" drugs?
A. Because pot is NOT a gateway drug, anymore than milk is a gateway beverage to whiskey.

Drugs are illegal because there's more money to be made by the dealers, and more power to be had by the politicians. What I don't understand is why law enforcement spends so much time and effort going after pot - are there not more pressing priorities?
Q? Morphine is way more powerful than pot, so why is it legal?

Why is the age an issue? Pot use skyrocketed in the 60's, these people are of that generation.

I have no opinion one way or another if pot should be illegal or legal. However, it is ILLEGAL at this time. And people in thier 50's and 60's should know better. I wonder how much of that pot they were peddling made it in to the hands of 12 and 13 year old kids who were too immature to understand its power and are now contemplating harder drugs?

gonefishin, and that hate will go on and on til all of us posters now are gone and a new generation takes over. Thank you for your post.

Very interesting bill. Well put too.

Matman, quit yelling and more people would read and appreciate your posts! JMO

Politicians are good at one thing, getting re-elected. There are a lot of Democrats that are worried about their jobs this election cycle, both on the state and federal levels. They control power here in Wisconsin and in Washington. They are very concerned that they are about to loose big in the next election. If the vast majority of people in this country really do support the legalization of marijuana, why haven't the Democrats done anything about it? They need all the votes they can muster, yet they aren't even bringing up the subject. Maybe the folks who want their favorite drug legalized either aren't making themselves heard very well, or there aren't as many of them as they would like to think there are. If they have the political power they think they have, this election year would be a golden opportunity for marijuana users to get what they want. No one is just going to hand this to them. They need to work for it if they want it as much as some of them say they do.

Why are our elected representatives not listening to the people. The people of spoken, nobody cares about pot. Why not legalize it, tax it and then use that money to police real problems like Heroin and meth.

Do the taxpayers of the Village of Clinton know that their officers are spending time in Janesville Township? Likewise, City of Milton officers in Johnstown Township? Who's paying these officers wages and benefits while on these drug busts? LEAP-Law Enforcement Against Prohibition-http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

What a waste of taxpayers money. Pot hurts nobody.

PBRMan - I see Grandpa as just another farmer. It's the man that sees him as a drug dealer. :)

PBRMan: Exactly!

Ages of 69,53, 56, and 28...hmmm
Darn kids and their gateway drug :)

Well there we go. No more marijuana problem in Janesville. Nice catch everyone.