Michael Moore has 3 of the top grossing documentaries of all time. He is an American, who loves his country and he asks questions and gets facts. Everyone in this site who believes he is a anti-american is just spewing out propaganda from your republican fox news. I can guarantee everyone of you out there who has insulted the filmmaker Michael Moore has never even sat through an entire movie of his, and I'm pretty sure you have never gone out and protested for what you believe in. I hate KAB, but I love Michael Moore, at least he gets his team of lawyers to get the facts and research before he starts talking. Don't believe me? Check out www.michaelmoore.com and look up Mikes Facts. Find sources for every number he has ever stated. Roger & Me was his first film, but since GM is gone, there's not much we can do about that. I reccommend everyone go out and rent Sicko and Capitalism: A Love Story, out on DVD and Blu Ray now. Watch those movies and then let's see what you have to say, digriz and gazettefan.

There's nothing to learn from B'moon.

Are you serious Briarmoon? Roger and Me?
Besides being a distortion of GM it is a distortion of the situation in Flint MI.
The Suburban plant in Flint had continuous problems with a 'wildcat' element of the union. The die was cast when the Flint Suburban Plant voted against working 4 days 10 hour shift, which had become the norm in the auto industry.
Janesville benefited with the contract to build Suburban/Tahoe.
A book called 'Rivethead' was written at the time by a worker in the Flint Suburban plant. After reading it you will ask; what choice did GM have?

Come on people wake up and smell the coffee! This isn't about local or state governments losing jobs. It's about bad national trade policy over the past forty years. Ross Perot warned what the "free trade agreements" almost 20 years ago and told where the jobs would be going. Now that millions of jobs are in China, India, Mexico and other 3rd world countries and not coming back, where do you think the tax revenue will come from? Oh that's right we just need more education! Trust me there educated people in all of the countries mentioned and they will work for less than $3 an hour. How many of you can live on that?

BradyKohl/SSNancy/Hank wrote: "When a person is a Government employee, or in Political Office they can never claim slander when all comments pertain to the position, work history, personal relationship, and etc."

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First, anything written here would be libel, not slander. My mistake...that you didn't catch.

Second, public figures can claim libel if the statement was published knowing it to be false or with reckless disregard to its truth, (also known as actual malice).

The rest of the criteria for libel are pretty straight forward:
"Under United States law, libel generally requires five key elements. The plaintiff must prove that the information was published, the plaintiff was directly or indirectly identified, the remarks were defamatory towards the plaintiff's reputation, the published information is false, and that the defendant is at fault."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slander_and...

Janesville, it's 4th and 10. PUNT !!!

What you had is gone. Too many eggs in one basket for too many years. GM closed and the supporting eggs are closing.

You need some industry. Some NEW industry to create 100's of jobs. Filtering money into current companies will only create a small number of jobs. You NEED 100's of jobs, now.

blood:
"Okay then, so what you're saying is that all who post on this site have NO SOLUTIONS or IDEAS to bring positive changes to Janesville; only critics of everyone else's solutions or ideas. You all wax so elequently in your critique of others, but you come up empty yourselves!!! Any ideas, log them right here so we can all benefit..."

DITTO!!!!!

Hey Gazette!! Hank is back. PSSSTT. he calls himself BradyKohl.

These are interesting and informative comments. But I think several of you are skating on the wrong rink. What was so wrong with a mayoral system of government? Would it be too democratic or too prone to ignorance and corruption like Chicago. I really wonder, at this point, if there is any difference in the two forms of government (council -aldermanic) but realize that change here is next to impossible. But I would still like to complain to an alderman in my district that would listen to me and be held accountable on election day

I'll be voting for Briarmoon and Hoppenjam. The diva on the present council has done nothing except irritate the constituents and push votes that are unpopular. She attends City Council meetings with a preconceived determination to push her agenda forward as was evidenced in February when she admonished the council and reminded them rather strongly that we/she is committed to private/public partnerships because the rest of the council was not supporting the ice rink enthusiastically. She pushes her agenda forward and lectures to the rest of the council. The two others I would like to see go, serve on other committees so follow the recommendations of those other committees even though constituents balk at their decisions. This is not an English Court, people. We voted them in and we can vote them out. Apparently, they do not serve the City Council and their constituents but serve the other committees. I have seen no good coming out of the present council and no ideas for real jobs so it's time to change the elected members. Andreah B at least goes to concil meetings and comes up with some novel ideas. Maybe they won't work but she is at least thinking and maybe they will work...who knows? She challenges them. The present Council only seems to be interested in spending money they don't have for hobbies such as skating, drinking, the sports complex, etc. right after telling us they can't afford trash collection so they should collect a tariff on each bag of trash put out at the curb, they should also tax us for motor vehicle accidents to help defray the cost of fire services. How many family supporting jobs were gained in the last year as a result of their governance? How does this concil defend condemning owner occupied residences putting people out of their homes and then lets buildings like the old Taco Bell just sit and rot? No condemnation for that building. Why? I've been to several council meetings and I don't like what I'm seeing happen there. As the money leaves this town, are we going to be fined if we don't paint the outside of our dwellings and make them look perfect? Will our homes be condemned? We need a strong Council who will represent the townspeople and pester Madison to spend some money here to bring in jobs that are worthwhile and could support a family. I still don't understand how Michigan, which is so poverty stricken and has had long time unemployment, was able to offer more money in incentives to have GM locate there than Wisconsin could offer. What's wrong with this picture?

I you folks in Janesville were smart you would get rid of all of the incumbants, exspecially Rashkin, does anyone recall when the powers that be said, that Janesvilles has an diverse economy and GM leaving will not have an effect what so ever, well that diverse economy was made up primarly of temp workers making just enough to get by, Swing and Slide anyone? or how about Montery Mills, same thing there, along with Freedom Graphics, for to long the city council refused to pull their collective heads put of their butts and see what was going on, and now you guys are paying for it.

Back on topic:
Instead of trying to lure new big businesses with huge tax breaks, how about funneling money to grow existing businesses? Companies with 10 to 100 employees accounted for 24% of net new jobs from 1997 to 2007. Is Wisconsin doing anything like that?

The drawback of a largely unmoderated and unsophisticated on-line forum is having to deal with trolls like Hank/SSNancy/BradyKohl. If your account has already been deleted at least twice, shouldn't that person be permanently banned, or do we have to wait for the inevitable slander against the city manager? Gazette, I think it's time to get your IT staff involved.

Anyone that would recommend watching anything from Michael Moore needs their heads examined.

http://www.changeforjanesville.com/carri...

http://www.briarmoon.us/

one less than 20 years old.
You are not fooling anybody. This pic is not a 57 year old.
I read some of the stuff here and it makes me laugh.

In business since 73 and can only come up with 5 testimonials???

hank"Then they are good enough to get involved in something another person likes. Right? If we dip in to the cookie jar for one we have to dip into it for all"

You keep saying weird stuff like this but insist on voting for somebody that WILL only think OF HERSELF!

Okay then, so what you're saying is that all who post on this site have NO SOLUTIONS or IDEAS to bring positive changes to Janesville; only critics of everyone else's solutions or ideas. You all wax so elequently in your critique of others, but you come up empty yourselves!!! Any ideas, log them right here so we can all benefit...

That B'moon cites that film says everything about her that needs to be known. Michael Moore is a pathologically narcissistic, delusional, fabulating, sociopath.

*Briarmoon said times are scarier than people want to admit. The city should study the 1989 documentary, “Roger and Me” by Michael Moore that focuses on Flint, Mich., when General Motors left town, she said*

Briarmoon should study that film and find out just what was real in it, what was staged and what was an outright lie.

I wouldn't trust anyone seeking office if this is the kind of 'authoritative' source they toss around to support their views and/or rhetoric.

pete/Hank/Nancy/BradyKohl, you made no such point. Though it's possible that the disorganized mish-mash you call your thinking has hypnotized you into thinking you have.

For example: your nonsense about what government should be involved in. Involved in some things, so it should be involved in everything, or vice versa. Grow up.

BradyKohl - I have a hard time believing you have any family or friends.

And so he said
"We need more jobs"
and so it was.

pff

Hank I am not sure why you are addressing me about rent etc. I never said government shouldn't be involved in things. I did say for sure not foreclosures in this city.

Yes BRIARMOON STAY out of it as far as foreclosures go. I will not finance your NEXT foreclosed home for you!
You must listen to the podcast about this. It is 10-20 cents on the dollar "investors " will buy the property for and sell back at 50 cents on the dollar. Who gets the shaft then when they own more than the property is worth!??

Just from the comments from Hank/SS Nancy/BradyKohl I am thinking this is Briarmoon pushing her agenda. Still have that grudge against city manager too.

beenthere1968, here is an article that contradicts your statement.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/u...

"US Manufacturing is alive and well. The real issue is manufacturing employment, which is dropping like a stone. And the reason for the drop is an increase in productivity."

Did Ms. Briarmoon actually refer to a Michael Moore film as a "documentary"? It is more accurately referred to as a "muckumentary".

By the way, Nancy/Hank/BradyKohl, communism doesn't work. The Soviets tried it for 70 years and it failed -it was in all the papers!

Could you please stop blaming the state and local governments for the job losses? Please try to remember what a guy named Ross Perot said many years ago. The job losses in ALL states are a direct result of national trade policy. If you think otherwise then you must be living in a cave! Millions of jobs have gone to China, Mexico, India and other third world countries and they won't be coming back no matter how much you wish and hope. The bottom line is how much you're willing to work for and we American's cannot live on $3 an hour or less!

Frogger - You're not very bright are you? You did not pay for anything, your employer did. You may have earned the right to use this benefit, but so did the people that are currently collecting it. I liked you better when you went by the username "Hannah". Have you chased any mini hot air balloons lately?

Hello, Nancy/Hank/BradyKohl.

If it would be a mistake for the city to build an ice rink, that mistake is being corrected by the process and people already in place. And that correction has nothing to do with you and B'moon.

And the same people wouldn't permit the city to go into the real estate business in the matter of foreclosures.

As for the difference of funding a building for public use and going into the real estate business in the matter of foreclosures, take some time out from thinking up new user names and ponder the complications and problems the city would have dealing with people who've already proved that they have a problem with paying for their property.

I'm sure you and B'moon would love to target the city even more for whatever measures it had to take with people who didn't make their payments -let alone any problems the city would have with being a landlord.

hank must have A LOT of email accounts!!

BradyKohl- it could be the HIGH cost to lease the place. I believe the lease on the new Japanese Grill is $9000 a month. OUCH!!!!!

Brady Kohl- Briarmoon's idea to keep HER in her home stinks. These people need to talk with their banks and work it out not the city landlord.

"The league asked candidates what residents could anticipate in cuts in city services and staffing in light of expected revenue shortfalls." from article
If this is true, where is the money for the ice rink coming from?

justintimberlakerules-
You are correct it doesn't appear on your check BUT it is NOT the tax payer that pays for this. You last EMPLOYER puts money into a state fund. If you become unemployed and have to collect most of the money would have come from the last employer. It may come from the last two maybe. The funds are distributed to the employee from the state from the funds that an EMPLOYER put there!
This is what I meant by I paid for it. NOT "you". I paid for it by WORKING somewhere long enough to collect this benefit from the EMPLOYER.

Any more smarty pants questions in order to try bash me?????

mike1st_responder: "unless you need crib notes like pahlin and have too write them on your hands too,'you betcha'" ..... Maybe you should write her name on Your hand, it's PALIN.

Welcome back Pete/Hank/SSNancy...er I mean BradyKohl. Same idea just a new name.

Billyclyde and Frogger - where on your pay stub is your deduction for UC? How much is deducted from each check? I'm pretty sure you are going to be looking for a while because this is an employer paid expense.

Hey, billnewbie, what do you think of Miss B'moon's plan for the city to go into the real estate business in the matter of foreclosures?

Sorry Billyclyde- WE ALL have paid into UC! If I ever need it I WILL use MY benefit not yours as you say.

"All unemployed want is a living wage.We are all over qualified for these $8-9.00 an hour "positions" that are few and far between."

Sorry to sound harsh but if you are out of work and living on my dime then I don't care if you are overqualified or not. Why should those who are working continue to pay for unemployment benifits that stretch on and on because you have determined that work is beneath you?

I feel for those who have lost their job and are looking to return to the workforce but can find nothing. I have no sympathy for someone who beleives that the only way that they need to go back to work is at a wage that they think they "deserve". If you feel that way it is certainly your right but please stop asking me and others to pay for your false pride.

I'll take your word for that SarahB1, and stand corrected.

I agree we do need jobs that pay more than $8 an hour. I don't think raising taxes is the answer since most people have lost their jobs and probably their home included. We need people on the council who know what it is like to have to go without and lose everything such as home, job,and health insurance. We need employers to gave people a chance to prove that they are able to do the job. Not just because you don't have the experience don't mean you can't do the job. Most of the positions are not a college degree position.

Mike1st= I bring Ken into this because NO MAN who lived the way he did would want to see any city or people wander around aimlessly with no vision for tomorrow; or should I say no realistic vision for tomorrow! We've only heard of the projects he touched and turned to gold, but if you knew him you also know that there were plenty that didn't; he just never took defeat as a deadend. He was a visionary and a realist before he had billions!
Janesville needs to get their head out of the GM box and start provoking solutions. What are your suggested solutions?

gazettefan: I don't think Joe Hoppenjan is the guy involved in the sweeper (plow?) incident. Please recheck your information.

please don't bring Kenny in to this as much as he did for Beloit this county and around the world.Yes Mrs.H.could go dwn there an open up Hendricks Motors,bring jobs back too Janesville,make it profitable hopefully,because anything The Late great Mr.H., touched turned too gold,he was a visionary,God Rest His soul.Miss you Mr.H.

yeah we need jobs... BUT WE NEED JOBS THAT PAY MORE THAN $8 A HOUR. We are not high schoolers with no bills.

Zoom- Well, I just can't wait for the next pseudonym. Actually that isn't true, it is kinda of nice to not have to sift through the ramblings.

It amazes me how quickly people from a community that is on its economic edge almost immediately turns on each other and blames everything from unions to Bush to GM to whatever. Where are your solutions??? If you want to run for city council come up with some ideas, some solutions to solve your problems; not just the same old political mumble-jumble. "We need to attract more businesses!" No fooling!!! HOW??? The solutions for Janesville are not in the box your looking in. Ask yourself this question, What would Ken Hendricks do?

It's shortsighted that no one hear talks about education. It has been repeatedly developed that a solid educational system, from K-12 to higher ed, has been a draw for businesses. Relatedly, businesses are drawn by an educated workforce. Just throwing money at businesses won't necessarily attract family-supporting jobs.

I suspect that KAB won't submit to a current photo. And the Gazette probably thinks it's only fair to run any photo of her if it runs photos of competitors.

ok truse,yes they had paint sludge fields on south side of GM for yrs.then trucked it too landfill,can't imagine living in those areas of the city(shhhh),i'm a great dane here

The Gazettes continual use of KAB's old photo is just bad journalism.

emac, the SSNancy account has been deleted.

your witty retort next,take all time you need,i'll give you 5 mins tell me everything you really know,unless you need crib notes like pahlin and have too write them on your hands too,'you betcha'

nope George"W' and those right wing clowns DiQrizzle,remember when elder gave weapons too Iraq,(iran contra),son had too bailout his poor decision,as "W"'s even poorer unwanted war,war rebuilders,(Cheney)an oil barrons stuck it too us every month,that's the truth ,live with it.

What do you get when you cross a Hoppenjon with a Briarmoon?

Who is Joe Happenjon?

Good Lord, Janesville's in trouble! And not just because Andrea watches Michael Moore. I always had the impression that these people were put in place to rule in the city's best interest. These people don't seem to have a clue what that is, nor do they seem to be on the same page. If they do get elected, no matter which one, I can't wait to see that first council meeting!

brain storming again my bad,ol generous dump site(GMAD)should it be a EPA Super fund clean up site,tear down the historic Heap,build your ice arena new water park,go carts etc,plenty of parking lots train tracks for incoming visiting spectators Mikey Moore american idiot,love people who can't handle the truth.Name callers how childish

OUCH!!! frogger.

""Briarmoon said times are scarier than people want to admit. "
Is this why you still use a 20 year old picture??

Tom we need your Jr High Pic please!

topsgt- haha funny. Maybe she could recommend a GOOD one while she is at it!
Like I said it is all about HER. It has not a D$$$ thing to do with US!

Antebellum daguerreotype.

Again can we find a picture that ISN'T 20 years old? You are dreaming some more? We all age honey!

Did you hear any wclo news today.
Wacko KAB-. She is talking about her "program " again for the CITY to buy up all the foreclosed properties and then land contract back to the owner(who never paid the mortgage in the first place- for what ever reasons) at 50 cents on the dollar- what ever that means. Then they can pay their property tax. Is Kid smoking with her or what kind of hard core dope is she on??? Kid no more pot for her please! The city IS NOT a bank. If they did this the money need to come from a BANK idiot. The city doesn't want to be landlords either! When they cannot pay the land contract either - what then?? Is her last property close to foreclosure?????? All about HER remember!!

The Gazette's tiltes of article always amaze me.
NO KIDDING this is not new news.

I am sure this will send Southside/Hank right to the moon. You got it right Sandman, no one said anything new. And it sounded like every one of them wants to spend money they don't have.

Perhaps KAB can recommend a real estate agent to represent the city in all these purchases or perhaps manage all our newly acquired properties?

Oh-oh...we're screwed! "Is this a prologue, or the posy of a ring?" Perhaps the comments mentioned in this article are a sign of the End Times. If so, the ice arena will no doubt set those wheels into motion. Is it too late to sacrifice a goat as a burnt offering to Baal? I suspect it couldn't hurt (unless, of course, YOU are the goat!).

PS Do any of these people (including the present members of the council) really think that "looking for new ideas" somehow qualifies as a new idea? Do any of them actually have an idea, or even a "position," other than "nice"? If not, why are the running (or remaining on the council)? And as for buying properties and land contracting back to the original owners...hahahahahahaha!

ba-ba-boosh.

Yes, it would be nice for KAB to finagle property payments lower than what she contractually agreed to.

K. Andreah Briarmoon - I am not sure about your foreclosure plan. If they can't make the payments to the mortage company, how are they going to make the payment to the city? Also, you can't find steady employment for yourself, how are you going to create jobs for others? We need some fresh ideas on the council, but not KAB....

id be happy to put a couple dozen people to work mr rashkin. change an ignorant law and LOTS of people could go back to work...

Jakiao - WI has been a democratic controlled state for a long time.

He`s making it up. That`s where he`s getting it. He is truly delusional forgetting about Booosh!

"The poor have been voting for Democrats for 50 years and they are still poor". Charles Barkely

Eman, up until recently the Democrats weren't in control of Washington. Where the hell are you getting your "Democrats have been in power for more than a decade" line?
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lynda, Toyota was doing great up until the recalls. If the company hadn't shot themselves in the foot, they'd still be the No. 1 automaker in the USA. Don't act like they're doing poorly right now due to the economy. That's a load of crap.

Toyota is doing well? Wow, where you been Eman?