To the person who mentioned and singled out farmers like they need to hire more help, or as though they've done something(?) wrong....Why would they want to hire beloit school kids?Or 90% of any kids that are from, live in, and only know the CITY. Kids are lazy and fat these days,most of them. Watching their parents lose their jobs, then complain about not being able to get ANY kind of job. News flash: it sucks but any job is better than no job when you run out of unemployment.Start SOMEWHERE. Push on, your kids are watching. Every additional year of youth in a generation is riddled with the apparent compounding of lazy, lackluster performers. Why would anyone want to hire lazy city kids? Farmers know enough good help, they don't need people that don't know how to really dig in, and they sure don't need to catch flak from Dbags that think farmers get a bunch of cash just handed to them. Are you a farmer rprp? Do you want to do farm work? You hit a nerve in me, being an evansville farm boy myself. Why don't you go buy some land, call it a farm and hire some local people yourself, since there's all this money they just hand out to farmers out there,eh? Then you'd help us ALL out, right? RIGHT?

My last three posts were questions.

Funny how all of the critics have all of the answers yet no results. Its what you learn after you already know everything that counts! ;)

How's it supposed to help me?

U can't help the unwilling.

What about all that stuff you said here then? Isn't that supposed to help?

The kind of help you need isn't available here is what I meant to say.

The kind of help needed isn't available here gazfan...

I agree with what MDC..... said. Does that help?

MDC at least brought something to the table to back up his talk. Something the "holier than thou's" couldn't do if their lives depended on it.

Without MCD....., a minor brush fire could have turned into a major conflagration.

Thank you MDCCLXXVI for shining the light of truth on these clowns.

Watch the lightning bolts.

gazettefan, I see you're still trying to play God these days. Good for you.

Hey, where'd they go?!!!

Yes, it is obvious that despite their denials, Kleej and Matthew...... are coming dangerously close to spamming here. Their religiosity-fueled spiel is meant to generate email contact between them and new members of the flock.

The vapidity of their preachments leaves more substance within the spaces between the words than in the words themselves.

They have all the incredibly annoying cheer-leading charm of those horrible creatures: Joel Osteen and Joyce Meyer.

Students not being able to get jobs is actually a symptom of the disease this nation has gotten from politicians of two brands, who, I'll say again, do what almost NO citizen wants them to do....Although people getting jobs is a big issue, its only a small part of a HUGE spectrum of politician-created problems....When you cannot even buy drinking straws and toothpicks that are not made in china, to say the least, we have a REAL mess going on here in this country.

If the farmers contribute so much to the economy why don't they hire all these people out of work. The farmers get huge benefits from the taxpayers and don't hesitate, so why not hire?

It would be helpful if you teenagers stayed on topic or took it to some back-alley listserve.

You could keep dancing, or just answer the question. It wouldn't be hard to prove me wrong. I don't care about "your info", or your top secret insider trick that's going to make you a millionaire. I'm not asking to be part of your club. I'm asking you to back up your baseless statements that there are plentiful jobs, on the internet, for those who are willing to simply open their eyes. If you weren't full of it, you'd show us what these imaginary jobs were. You don't because you can't, it's all hyperbole and spin. If I'm wrong, prove it. Show me this community of yours. If your not selling snake oil and religion, it shouldn't be so hard to use even one of the "facts" you keep claiming to have.
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I'm tempted to say I won't bother reading any more posts on this, as this discussion is pointless, but I know I won't be able to stop myself, and that I'll have to say something. It irks me that honest people who just need a job are going to get duped into believing your hocus pocus. If you were as honest as you claimed, you could have proven it a dozen times by now.

ooooohhhh kleej, that was a good one! Touche'

MDC, how do I know you're not qualified? I read your posts. I don't need to know you personally, I know everything about you! ;)
Sound familiar??

Good grief. You have a unique talent for talking on and on without ever saying anything. Again, you claim to have "the truth" without any sort of hint about what this alleged truth is. You are clearly talking nonsense; if you had anything of substance to say, you'd have said it by now. Instead you're just rattling your saber.
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Also, what the heck does this imaginary "community" that only speaks the truth, or whatever, have to do with anything? What the hell are you talking about, and how is it even remotely relevant? You do realize John Galt is a fictional character, and that Galt's Gulch doesn't exist, right?

There are jobs, maybe all these people who complain about there being no hope and no jobs need to broaden their horizons and put in applications to places they might not normally work. I have two job interviews this week for part time jobs, on top of my full time job I already have. Yes, I work hard, outside. I bet most of you complaining couldn't hack it a day doing 8 hours of hard labor, or any of the labor jobs you complain all the "illegals" take. Yea, they take the jobs because most of us Americans are too fat and lazy to buck up and get their hands dirty, and god forbid maybe break a sweat. You want a job? Realize you might need to change your outlook. Maybe even get outside Janesville and look? Just my two cents for all you hopeless job searchers out there.

Anyone can put their opinions in public now. That's the internet for you. Problem is, like matt said, not everyone's opinions are valid. You think companies out there in this world aren't fighting the same uphill battle with the consumers?? You think the consumer isn't fighting that same uphill battle with the companies?? Everything online now, unfortunately is now "subjective" because believe it or not, there are people, there are companies and all sorts of entities that actually don't tell the truth! Yes, it's true... so where do people go to get the straight "poop"?? A TRUSTED source! That's the key, a trusted "community" that trims all the fat and takes the fiction out of the equation so they can deal with what's actually real! It's happening, I could care less what anyone thinks, it's the truth and nothing but the truth. As for MDC's opinion's on me, they don't affect me in the least because I have the truth on my side as well. Am I perfect, nope! Is anyone? Nope! The key is, I'm conscious of that fact, where a huge cross section of our culture, IS NOT. Success in anything doesn't happen overnite, nor will it ever. It's a journey. Education doesn't start in kindergarten and end after 12th grade or a college degree! The real education starts after you think you already have all the answers!

Not psychic powers. I can read, that's all. So what you're saying is that America just needs to wake up, take off the blinders, they can be rich, just like you, by doing (oh, wait, it's top secret).

How, exactly, am I not qualified?

Oh, by the way mdc, I'd give you a hint, but there's two problems with that....our info. isn't shared in public blogs and most importantly, YOU Don't Qualify! (Ok kleej, now he's all yours!)

MDC, funny how you seem to know everything about everyone through a public blog site! Interesting. You must have psychic power or something. I know many who know kleej that would beg to differ with you, but again, anyone with a set of lips or in your case, two fingers can spew their opinion. Opinions mean squat, facts speak for themself. Hope you live a life fulfilled wallowing in your own muck. Doesn't mean others have to follow suit. He's all yours kleej!

Matt: you said:
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"The top economists and economic advisors this world has ever seen is saying this is going to happen. There are a few visionaries out there that have dropped their blinders and have actually gone out and made this happen."
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Who? Give me ONE example, please. One example that isn't Amazon, or Ebay or Facebook. Those are the one in a million successes. Give me one example of how I, today, can "drop my blinders", and be able to support my family, today. Not a chance that, if I sink every dime I can beg borrow and steal into some program, work 100 hours a week, I MIGHT, in a year or two, be making more than I'm spending. One example of a honest, legitimate, reliable income. You know, like a job.

I was about to reply when I decided to go back and look at what you’ve posted in the past, Kleej. I quickly realized I would be wasting my time talking to you. I just hope that anyone who reads the garbage you’re posting can see through your BS. You and “Matt”, if not the same person, have admitted knowing each other personally and I have to assume are in the same business, (I guessing it’s selling Acacia berry supplements online). To believe that this sort of “network business” (it is a pyramid, and if you don’t know that you’re either lying or incredibly naive) is anything other than a drain on a productive economy, rather than its savior is absurd. You go on and on about education, belittling formal education in favor of “self-education”. I’m sorry you chose to go straight to GM instead of college, but you cannot compare your public library education with that of an actual degree until you’ve been through the system yourself (yes, I have a degree).
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Matt: get away from Kleej while you can. You’re obviously younger than him, based on your youthful arrogance and naiveté. If you honestly believe that “the people” can band together and force the multi-nationals to play by your rules, you’ve never actually had any experience in the business world. Here’s my suggestion to you: go to Provo, Utah. Talk to people there about Amway. Then look around. Where is all the wealth? That’s right, it’s a load of crap. Call it whatever you want- if you are buying a product from someone who got you into their “business” selling a product, it’s a pyramid scheme. What’s worse, the internet, of which you’re so enamored, removes the one advantage you might have had in the old pyramid schemes: exclusive territory. And you really need to drop the Walmart thing. If it were that simple to reproduce the success of Sam Walton, why is there only one Walmart? Simple: Walmart got that way through ruthless destruction of competition, and strong-arming suppliers, governments and employees to their will. What lessons do you honestly believe you have to learn from Walmart? How, exactly, does its business model apply to yours? It doesn’t.
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The bottom line is that no matter how many times you use the word “facts”, you have yet to produce even one. Fact, that is. You mock Americans for their “in-the-box” thinking, but balk at the suggestion that you give even a hint of an example of how even a handful of honest, hard working, unemployed people can find work that will provide for them, now. Today. Even a little hint, c’mon.
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Maybe it works for you. That’s nice. But let’s be honest- your still a simple merchant, and a economy of all merchants and no producers simply can’t sustain itself. Duh. The really ironic part is that, if I’m right, the real corporation behind your business (the company you bought your “franchise” from) is…drumroll… a manufacturer! Am I right?

netwize.. I did get your message and your insight is right on. Maybe we can meet up one day. Thanks for the kind words.

matt I sent you a private message, can you tell me if you received it? Thank you.

matt, you've got my full attention! That just makes so much sense. I've heard of similar concepts but nothing with that kind of logic. If I'm understanding you right, it's the community you showcase and not some specific product or service.

Specifics?! In a public blog site? Get real. I choose to give my source the dignity it deserves as opposed to opening it up to everyone with an opinion. My company is very transparent about what they do because they're very much into serving others, but we don't make offers to people, we allow them to evaluate it for themselves and allow them to decide if they have the character to learn more. I'm not trying to be critical here, but, it's simply the truth. Trust is not given, it's earned! And it can't and never will be accomplished without the human element as opposed to texting, blogging and emailing. If that offends people, it's not intended to, but, I'd rather tell the truth and have you be mad than lie about it.

Wow, a huge high five "KLEEJ"! You took the words right out of my fingertips! (lol)
MDC, all Wal-Mart has done since the 70's is move goods around and they're the richest corporation on the planet! They've accomplished that while having to pay the middlemen their cuts on top of that. When you cut those middle men out and come up with a way to force companies all over the world to parnter up with the consumers in order to gain and keep their loyalty, it becomes a whole different game...... all of the sudden, these multi-billion dollar companies level out and that multi billion dollar capital is dispersed amongst a "community" and more "millionaires" or "thousandaires" are created. The top economists and economic advisors this world has ever seen is saying this is going to happen. There are a few visionaries out there that have dropped their blinders and have actually gone out and made this happen.

MDC~ Matt is 100% correct! The playing field is level now! The internet has broken down ALL of the borders now. We're truly one global economy and EVERY person who has the guts and the humility to learn some new concepts and play by the new rules can win...PERIOD! Matt, excuse me for this part, but I have to say it. Your comment about the critics was so true. There are those who choose to stand on the sideline and not get in the game because they either think they're ; OVERQUALIFIED, UNDERQUALIFIED, have LOW SELF-CONFIDENCE or have a PLETHERA of ARROGANCE (foolish pride) that won't allow them to take their blinders off long enough and humble themselves to really see what's happening out there. This redirect about pyramid schemes or whatever that's supposed to mean is simply a facade to mask the lack of courage that it takes to humble one's self to get over themselves and admit they don't know what they don't know. How do I know this??? I was one of those "KNOW IT ALLS"!! I personally know and work with a ton of college graduates who are seeing what's going on first hand and refuse to listen to those same people who told them college was the only answer and are now stuck with massive debt and no means to pay for it because the program's they started were OBSELETE by the time they graduated! It's called change! Something the educational system isn't into informing it's students about. The only difference between the younger generation and the older generation is, they haven't been around long enough to have been brainwashed into drones in this educational society that teaches conformity as opposed to Ameritocracy! Read your history and you might understand what that means! Whatever you do, come up with some facts that back up why you believe what you believe instead of opinions with no teeth! I've got the facts on my side, but even better than that, I've got the RESULTS and the COMMUNITY to back it up!

Kleej: be specific. What, exactly, are these "new and emerging jobs"? Where, exactly, can a regular Joe go fill out a job application? Where is his paycheck coming from?

All the talk about building leaders is great, but it doesn't put food on the table for the proletariat. Yes, a small margin can support themselves buying wholesale (from China, incidentally) and reselling on Ebay. But the merchant sector (which is what they still are, regardless of venue) always has been and always will be a fractional part of an economy. Again, it's simple math: you can't support an entire economy based simply on moving goods around. There HAS to be someone actually making something, someone adding to the gross domestic product. Merchants are a necessary evil, they are part of the machine that moves goods and services from the people who make them to the people who consume them. They live by margins. Which is fine, but your assumption that the entire country can support itself on the internet is the same kind of faulty thinking that led to the first dot com bubble bust: at some point, someone has to actually make something.

Also, now that I attacked you, Mathew, I do need to say that I wholeheartedly agree with your position on the value of education, and some of your criticisms of the existing educational system.

You have got to be kidding, Matthew. First:
The playing field is already level? Frankly, you are wrong. That is a fact. An American company can not legally export finished products for sale in China. The Chinese government will not allow it. The majority of the value added must be done in China, the company must be at least partially owned by a Chinese national or partnered with a Chinese company, and any profits may not leave China, but be reinvested or otherwise spent in China. NONE of those conditions are true in the reverse. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about.

Second: "The critics throughout history aren't the one's who have statues erected it in their honor. It's always the people that were willing to go against the current that receive those honors" That statement directly contradicts itself. "The people willing to go against the current" and "the critics" are the same people! You just chose to jump perspectives in the middle of the statement (since the term "critic" is entirely subjective to ones point of view). Almost all statues are of people who were, at least from one perspective, critics.

Your posts are entirely rhetorical, devoid of any actual substance. The notion that the nation needs a paradigm shift is obvious. But simply stating that, assuming that once everyone "wakes up" and changes their attitudes will fix everything is the kind of talk that is either delusional or a con. I have to agree with the posters below: I don't know what it is you're selling, but you sound like a hustler to me, selling yet another twist on the worn out pyramid schemes that pop up every time the economy gets complicated.

Let's not forget that the unions pushed for greater and better benefits, pensions, wages, healthcare -- any bennys they could get. This while the economy was soaring, growing -- even though the wall was ahead. Not that we hit t he wall, they want to blame the companies, the politicians, the dog, the wife, the neighbor. Let's face it -- we all have a significant level of blame.

The playing field is leveled right now! The stars are aligned! Hey Kleej, regarding ZOOM: The critics throughout history aren't the one's who have statues erected it in their honor.... It's always the people that were willing to go against the current that receive those honors. I have a ton of respect for your posture and what you're doing! God bless you!

netwize23, You are so right. I know people who never got an education, but learned through the school of hard knocks and did VERY WELL.

Just as a very simplified example (and feel free to check my back-of-a-napkin math):
A Chinese textile worker makes, on average $2,800 a year (this is above board labor, not sweat shop labor which might be substantially less). At minimum wage, and American worker working 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year would make $14,500, or over five times as much. Add the hidden costs of producing domestically (non-cash wage costs such as insurance and benefits, stricter environmental costs, taxes and so on) and it's clear that those $30 Walmart jeans would cost at least $150, and more like $200 if made domestically.

That might seem ridiculous, but think about it this way: let's pretend you make enough money in two hours to pay for a new pair of jeans. Let's also assume that your labor doubles the value of the whatever it was that made up your raw materials (so the cost of a product is half materials and half labor). That means that, hypothetically, it should take no more than one hour to make those jeans from scratch: one hour of your labor pays for the materials, one hour pays for the labor(we're ignoring a lot here, such as shipping costs, profits and taxes, so in reality it would be even less). Now consider all the labor, from the time those jeans were a cotton seed till they were on your butt that it took to manufacture them. Do you think it was more than an hour? Do you see, then, why our standard of living is impossible to sustain?

Even if we don't make these changes proactively, they will be forced on us by the simple fact that China's economy is rapidly growing, and the standard of living there already is beginning to compete with our own. The demand for goods domestically in China is growing to the point that they are already relying less on exports. This means that they can charge more for their exports. Wages are also increasing there, meaning that the textile working making less than 3k a year today not only will be competing with you to buy those jeans, but that she will also be demanding more for her labor, further driving up the cost. Limited supply, greater demand (a LOT greater demand). Now throw India, Brazil, Mexico, etc. into that same equation. It should be pretty obvious where this is going.

Minan: exactly. American corporations have been gaming the system for years, and it's finally caught up with us. The value of a product was established on a baseline of domestic production, and then that production was moved to other countries where it was substantially cheaper. The corporation pockets the difference, and no one notices, except for a few factory workers here and there who are displaced. Fast forward a few decades, and two things happen: first, the "frictional unemployment" from closing a factory can’t be reabsorbed any more, which affects the ability of consumers to buy the very products these companies are importing, and second those foreign workers in China and India are beginning to accumulate enough wealth that they are now directly competing with us for raw materials such as gas and copper, driving up costs and aggravating the problem.
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The solution is simple (but painful): level the playing field. China is free to buy and sell here, to send profits home, etc., yet American companies don't enjoy the same luxury. Conditional tariffs would accomplish two goals; first, tell American companies that they can manufacture wherever they like, but tariffs will be imposed that eliminate the cost advantage (so it costs the same amount to manufacture here or in Mexico- they can pay American workers, or pay the American government, their choice). Second, tell China that Chinese companies (and American companies that are owned by foreign investors, closing any loophole) will be subject to the same trade restrictions that China places on American companies. If they want to do business here, then they have to let us do business there. As it stands, even the rare American companies that are allowed to do limited business in China are not allowed to take any money out of the Chinese economy. Which is fine, but then why do we let them take money out of ours?
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I say painful because this will inevitably drive prices higher for consumers. The reality is that we have become addicted to cheap goods. We straddle two worlds: we enjoy the comforts of a developed nation while paying third world wages. This was never a sustainable situation. Americans have not paid the real cost for goods for decades. It's simple math: there is no way to consume more than we produce without some sort of exploitation of a third party. Now, I'm not a bleeding heart: third world nations can put a stop to this exploitation whenever they want. So long as they're willing to accept less in compensation than their labor is worth, they will continue to be exploited. But eventually, either because they finally stand up to us, or because we run out of money, it will end. At that point (which is fast approaching) we will have no choice but to adjust our standards of living to reflect our ability to produce. Like any addiction, the withdrawal will be traumatic. But, like any addiction, we face a simple choice: kick the habit or die.

When Bush signed the increase in the federal minimum wage he did so only under the stipulation that tax breaks to businesses would be included to help offset the increaseI find it hard to blame a wage of $
7.25 as the real reason.

netwize, I'll buy that. The only issue with self-education, is finding the right source in which to get your information/education from. Companies all over the world are seeking the most educated "communities" now. If you can establish that, the sky is the limit for anyone who chooses to be a part of any of those communities.

Education means nothing without applying what you learn. Conventional education doesn't teach wisdom which is what it's going to take to be able to make the transition to the new economy. You have to have a solid, self-educational program in order to make that happen. Too many are relying on what they either learned up until now or what they think they know about the future. Humility is the first step. Again, something that's not stressed in conventional educational systems.

Conventional education will help create a living, Self-Education will help create a fortune.......................

kleej, the courageous must endure the criticism of the cowardly.

Really Zoom? Is that what I'm doing?? Why would I give any details as to what I'm doing in a blog with a group of people I don't know one iota??? Think about it! Have I ever even mentioned that anyone is welcome to do what I do just let me know if you "want in"??? Absolutely not! The difference between me and you, is I put my heart into these blogs because I really do care and am truly trying to enlighten people. I've seen how you operate and I'm not sure what your intent is outside of judging everyone and giving opinions on things you know absolutely zilch about. Everything I said in my past posts in here is based on FACT. Even though you don't believe what I'm saying is true, it doesn't change the fact that it's true. You're in denial and that's your choice. Good luck with that.

from this recession there will also be great new ideas and ways to make a living. The one thing that the young have on there side is time so they'll be ok if the politicians can get there foot off the brake and let the economy work...

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truth1, you're not getting the point that mathew516 and Kleej are spewing vague nonsense here because they are trying to recruit people into their pyramid scheme. Pretty shamesless, actually.

truth1, you're not getting the point!

Adding to my comments...this article is about STUDENTS finding work, not people adapting to an economy in some fashion....students can't find work because the WHOLE economy is screwed up by politicians of two brands.

....and walmart has ground beef that "could be" from this country or that one or that one or the other one.....What a MESS!!!

Like the other poster mentioned....CANDY coming in here from CHINA!!!
....What a MESS!!!!!

There sure is a lot of pie-in-the-sky nonsense being spewed on here.......NEWSFLASH, not EVERYone can start their own business nor can there be a viable economy with everyone having thier very own business for income, thats just absurd...There is a PART of our economy for that but its a small percentage...Lots of people who shouldn't have have tried starting thier own business and lost a LOT of money in the process.....The politicians that "the people" have allowed in office have screwed up this country ROYALLY and most people WILL NOT be able to "reason" or "think" their way out of this created mess!!

The bottom line is, the job market hasn't gone away, it's shifted to new and emerging industries. The best advice, don't be in denial (because it's the truth), and grab ahold of the life preserver when someone throws it your way because they just may be part of that ship you've been waiting for!

dkrush, politicians were/are citizens before they're politicians. Which means, anyone can step into that position. It's a matter of who the courageous one's are that actually are willing to step in and be the leaders that this country needs.

winterstinks: Sounds like you have a job. Congratulations.

Democrats are NOT for the working class. They also, do a great job of making people HELPLESS and unmotivating them. They get a big A for that! SHAME.

I wanted to buy some really cool Easter candy for our grandkids baskets. All the stuff I saw was made in China! Why are we doing this? Why. Are we so incompetent in this country we can't even make Easter novelty candy? No, we were sold to China. Thanks Bill, you did a great job, in the 90's. Go back and look folks, this is when it all started..........

truth1: You hit the nail right on the head!,
"the politicians of both stripes let it go to other countries where they can pollute with impunity, pay slave wages, and totally ignore human rights."
Translation: Our politicians don't give a rats a$$ about us citizens, it's all about power and money!

There are also people buying frnachiese instead of going to college. You have to do your homework, investigate and make sure it's a good one. You can make alot of money if it is.

I have a friend in Orlando, who's girlfriend has a degree in journalism. She was offered jobs at $26k and 29k and instead went to wrok as a bartender at an upscale big tourist hotel and was making $70k a Year, with tips. There isn't much prestige in being a bartender, but look at the money!

Napalm, you are right and you are wrong. You need a degree to get your foot in the door however once there, the degree's value diminishes. From that point it IS as you say--including the ability to get along with people. Not getting along with your co-workers has torpedoed many a career.
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The coaching I always give is to become an expert at SOMETHING. Where I work there is about 20% less people than it takes to do the work so we are always struggling to be a jack of all trades and that is a great thing to some degree but as the saying goes, you are a master of none. In today's work force (I'm specifically talking about Information Technology), if you are a jack of all trades and also an expert in an area, you are golden.

Napalm, that's exactly the kind of education I'm talking about. The kind thats not taught in our conveyorbelt educational system. It's called building leaders. Just like I mentioned in my earlier post, everytime change occurs, the critics come out in full force. ZOOM is a great example. All you need is a mouth and two hands to express opinions these days, but I have the facts and opinions will always be at the mercy of facts.

Thanks Napalm! You just saved me thousands of dollars. Instead of sending my kids to college, I'm going to use the money and buy something useful like a jet ski. I've always told my kids that you don't want to be "them kind of people".

"The turn over rate for them kind of people is higher than the people with no purchased schooling."

"Those" kind of people, not "them". Thank you for pointing out the importance of education.

mathew, unless you're willing to tell us all who that company is, take your pyramid-scheme talk somewhere else.

There's always going to be a need for production and manufacturing. But the wealth is no longer found in the making of products, it's how you distribute them! Think about it. The internet is reshaping every aspect of how business is done now. Look at Wal-Mart. They were 40 years ahead of their time! They never manufactured one thing, and became the richest corp. in the world. All through distribution. I know companies right now today that have bought into that concept that are using the internet to their advantage that are accomplishing more in only a few short years than Wal-Mart was able to do in it's first 20 years! It's very real.

truth1~ that's not entirely true. That's what people are lead to believe. That's where coming together and uniting come into play. It's up to us to decide whether your statement is true for the up and coming generations or not! We truly need people to step up. Stepping out of our comfort zone and taking the entreprenueurial "bull by the horns" is the best thing that could happen!

People have got to stop this lie that there is such a thing as a "post industrial economy"...there cannot be a viable economy without heavy industry...When the US becomes truly "post-industrial" we will then be "post economically viable"....The only people that benefit from post industialism are the super-rich who get richer by shuffling paper, the rest of the people are heading for starvation and homelessness.

matt~ we've become a culture that's been trained to mask the pain rather than get to the root of it and treat it at it's source. Drugs/synthetics aren't cures for diseases and were never intended to be. There's natural foods on this planet, that if consumed in their unaltered form over extended periods of time, consistently, will prevent diseases from becoming prevelent. Same with people! People are born pure, innocent and capable of becoming honest, honorable human beings and are educated to be "politicians"! We need change, very true! However, we've also been trained to want everything right now! The instant gratification mentality and the truth is, it doesn't work that way. Change starts with ME, YOU and US. Collectively, we make the difference.

truth1, I hear ya! My point is, as a society, we've all let it get to this point. It's a team effort. Through the years, we've lost focus of the values and virtues that made this country great. It all starts with education. Educating our kids about character and honor and accountability. Those qualities have been lost and we need to get them back. We can't change the politicians and too many folks think that's the way. We have to get to the source and fix it there! Our kids. In the meantime, we need the adult generation to pull their heads out of the sand and stop ignoring the fact that they too need to change and by doing that, one by one we can get on the path to getting this turned around. The key is, humility. Most people aren't into hearing that education doesn't start in kindergarten and end after 12th grade. It's a lifelong process. You'll see what I'm talking about after I post this, because all the critics with their opinions will come out in full force. That's okay, I accept that. It's a simple thing... its easy for a fool to condemn, criticize and complain which is why most fools do it!
Be the change you want to see!

matthew- Politicians may be "citizens" of this country but they do/vote for things that almost NO "citizen" wants and it doesn't matter which stripe they are, they ALL seem to do this...We all should be wondering WHAT is causing that.

oldvet, what are you talking about. You might want to back up your delusional statements with some actual facts. Bush expanded government more than any other President, started two perpetual wars and said deficits didn't matter. You people have been saying the sky is falling for almost two years now and it never did. Your batting 0%.

lindacrabtree.... You have it exactly correct...well said
"Well they have now taken the final course of their education. High taxes, loss of personal freedoms ,and the demise of a free market equals zero employers for the next generation"

I have always said that the boarder problem will finally be solved when the US economy finally, and inevitably, falls off the cliff. The job market, and economy will be so bad, that no one from Mexico will want to come here. Then Canada will likely have to secure their boarder. As they have been one of the few countries in the world who has made some sound monetary decisions, and not headed for complete economic ruin. It's going to be like a big migration north. Maybe the Mexican boarder will still be a problem. They will just be crossing it on their migration to OH Canada.

NCC1701~ There's no jobs for those who aren't willing to accept what's happening and change. Matthew516 hit the nail right on the head when saying we're in the information age. The economy is shifting to a service oriented industry. The baby boomers have dictated every paradigm shift this country's seen since the 40's. The wellness era is upon us.

Yes pretend the jobs not currently available to the unemployed, who receive government subsidized unemployment (borrowed from FUTURE tax dollars) is no big deal. Pretend people barely scrapping by on unemployment don't want the self-worth of actually working for their income, while people in this country by illegal means are employed. Question: how is the view with your head stuck in the sand like an ostrich?

NCC, so unemployment is 100%?

The illegals were here before the recession started and we had record employment, so how are they really the problem? They aren't eligible for the skilled trades jobs at respectable businesses and few Americans will work the jobs that illegals do anyway. The job market is what it is for other reasons and yammering about immigration is not going to solve that no matter how heart-attack important you think it is.

Yes, everyone. Stop with your hocus pocus elections and let's all get together, hold hands, sing songs - oops those are liberals - I mean yell racial slurs and stop this democratic system based on checks, balances and elections once and for all. We need to take back our country from the majority and only believe in future elections we haven't won yet. What is next people? Giving people money in exchange for work? Spending money on roads, schools and bridges instead of protracted wars that never seem to end? Repair bridges? Do we really need bridges? The horror of it all. The next thing you know they will be passing legislation that will help everyone get health insurance so that they can live longer and healthier lives - pure evil I would say, pure evil. Do we really need to live longer, healthier lives? If you really loved America, you would die right before receiving social security (this is the Republican health care plan).

That's the problem here. People are worrying about the jobs that the illegals are taking. The opportunities for creating that wealth that matt is talking about isn't something the illegals can even remotely do. Since the people in this country aren't willing to unite and do something about that, go out and create your own wealth and use that wealth in a good way and be an influence to a mass of people to stand up and be proactive as to what's going wrong with this country!

you want the jobs the illegals are taking from americans??

here you go...they WANT you to take them...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100624/ap_o...

truth1, I know what you're saying, but don't forget, politicians are citizens of this country! It's the "citizens" of this country who need to take charge and not allow this crap to happen. There is something we can all do if we're willing to band together for the right reasons for a worthy purpose. It's not the republicans or the democrats that will get this thing turned around, it's the COURAGEOUS citizens that can. In the meantime, we can either sit and mope and point fingers or we can move forward and take advantage of the choices that are out there. They're there. Even the biggest neighsayer of them all (ME!) is seeing it happen....

Sarahb1- true but if hired the company may not know they are illegal with aLL THE fake documents out there now. This happened at hubby's work. They never knew. I believe ways to check documents now though.

Sorry kids if you have a job you better step it up and treat it serious and not just play time if you want to keep your job!!

To be pessimistic on the outlook for jobs is to not have faith in the promise of 4 million jobs resulting from the stimulus last year and the millions more promised by Pelosi from ObamaCare. If I'm not mistaken, the Democrats also told us that raising the minimum wage would increase employment, so that can't be it (more right-wing nuts).

Only haters and bigots don't believe what Obama has promised us. If you're unemployed, I wouldn't worry about it - it'll just be a couple more months.

Well they have now taken the final course of their education. High taxes, loss of personal freedoms ,and the demise of a free market equals zero employers for the next generation.

matthew- The "industrial age" didn't "come to a close" as you put it, the politicians of both stripes let it go to other countries where they can pollute with impunity, pay slave wages, and totally ignore human rights.

When life throws you lemons.....

The job market has changed because of the shift in demand for what the "world" needs. It's not just about the U.S. and being able to "take your lunchbox to work" for 8 hrs. and come home and do it all over again. The jobs that were once abundant here are gone! Not coming back. They've been replaced by service related jobs that are largely available through the internet. Many people don't want to hear this and I understand that. It's the fear of change, but what people DON'T KNOW can and will hurt them in today's economy. Look around you. When the industrial age came to a close and the markets went sour, the money that was once here didn't just disappear...it's now dispersed all over the world. So unless people have the magic ability to be in multiple countries at once, they had better get over it and start understanding information age principles and start using the internet as a base to move forward for their future! Just like the middle class being wiped out, we now have a job market in the U.S. that consists of highly trained professionals and drops down to convenience store/fast food store clerks for the mostpart. It's the in-between occupations that are gone and most of those people who have worked in that sector (manufacturing) don't know where to turn because they've only been trained in that line of work. There's more opportunity now than ever out there, it's just a matter of knowing where to look and having a source that can lead you to where you need to go. Don't give up hope folks, it's real and it can be done! Go find your future, don't wait for it.

oldvet: No real changes anticipated until pressure is put on businesses that hire workers who are here illegally.

Millions of jobs would be available if steps wer taken to cause all of the illegals to go back home. Pie in the sky thinking though because then whose vote would politicians be able to buy ?

"An increase in Wisconsin’s minimum wage from $5.90 per hour to $7.25 might be making a difficult job market worse for young people, Hennerley said."
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If it were up to the Chamber of Commerce the minimum wage would still be $2.10 per hour.

Encore: WE'RE IN A NEW AGE!

It is rough out there for younger folks, but applicants over age 50 are having just as much difficulty getting hired on.