Janesville ice arena again on agenda

By MARCIA NELESEN ( Contact )   Friday, Aug. 20, 2010
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Eric Levitt

— The Ice Skating Center Advisory Committee hopes projections it is compiling will show that Janesville could support two sheets of ice in a new ice arena.

The ice arena is back on the Janesville City Council agenda Monday, but any decision would be delayed if the council opts to wait to see the committee’s numbers.

City Manager Eric Levitt said Thursday that he would relay the group’s request for the council to delay its decision.

The council must decide whether to give public money to a private group raising funds to build a new ice arena.

The private fundraising group, affiliated with the Janesville Youth Hockey Club, and the Ice Skating Center Advisory Committee both support a facility with two sheets of ice.

A private consultant earlier said he doubts Janesville could support two sheets.

Levitt recommends that the city pledge money for one sheet because he fears the city subsidy would increase with two.

Levitt also recommends that the private group raise its share of the money for a new ice arena by the end of the year.

If the private group can’t raise it’s share by the end of the year, the city would need to move forward quickly to renovate the existing ice arena, which needs a new ice-making system.

The current arena needs about $1.2 million in renovations.

The council in October pledged $2 million to build an ice arena with one sheet of ice. Council members said the cost was justified because a new arena would save the city the $1 million in renovations and also $1 million needed to buy land for a new fire station. The fire station could be built on the site of the current ice arena on Beloit Avenue.

The council also pledged another $500,000 when funds are raised for a second sheet.

Total cost projected by the fundraising group is just over $5 million for two sheets.

“I think the committee is in agreement that they do support the need for a new facility and hopefully the need for a two-sheet facility,” said Steve Walker, head of the ice skating advisory committee.

Walker said his committee, which includes representatives of ice center user groups, dispute the consultant’s findings about the cost of a new arena and also the consultant’s estimate of future ice use.

The fundraising group has said a new arena could be built in the neighborhood of $5 million while the consultant’s estimate was $7 million.

Walker said the consultant probably used figures from past experiences on the East Coast. The fundraising group got its estimate talking to local contractors in the current economy.

In his most recent report, Levitt said he continues to support construction of a one-sheet ice rink that can be expanded to two if needed.

“I believe that a two-sheet ice rink should not be constructed until the city would be able to project an operating budget that would not have a subsidy,” he said.

The city’s expenses have increased at the ice arena from $230,000 in 2002 to $275,000 in 2008, he said.

Revenues decreased from $237,000 to $188,000, despite doubling open-skate revenues, he said. In 2009, the city increased revenues to about $220,000 and was able to shrink the subsidy.

“But these overall trends concern me when evaluating a two-sheet rink option,” Levitt said.

Based on current expenditures, Levitt said he anticipates expenses to increase to at least $325,000 with two sheets of ice, depending upon how the second sheet is operated. That means revenue would have to increase a minimum of $105,000 to break even, he said.

With the budget constraints, Levitt said he couldn’t recommend two sheets unless the operation of the second sheet costs the taxpayers nothing.

ON THE AGENDA

The Janesville City Council will meet at 7 p.m. Monday in City Hall, 18 N. Jackson St.

Items on the agenda include:

-- A discussion and possible action on building a new ice arena with two sheets of ice.

-- Discussion and action on a two-year lease with the Tallman House. City Manger Eric Levitt said the Tallman House has met the conditions of the council by preparing a business plan. The lease with the Rock County Historical Society would guarantee an operating subsidy of $45,000 and an additional $4,400 for grounds maintenance.

-- Discussion and possible action on a proposed advertising policy at the Youth Sports Complex. A resident earlier had contacted council members when she learned that her original donation advertising sign at the complex was replaced with a new advertising sign that did not mention her family’s contribution. Staff has since found the original letter sent to prospective donors. The letter asks for money and promises that the names will be prominently displayed on a permanent basis. The new suggested policy requires that the original donors be recognized at all times. But it also creates opportunities for groups to raise money with other advertising sponsors.

-- Action on waiving an event fee for Partners in Prevention Family Fun Fest in Riverside Park for a total of $553. If approved, the city manager recommends the council authorize him to reevaluate the fee system for 2011.

-- Action on a proposed resolution approving an agreement to hire a crossing guard at the intersection of East Rotamer Road and North Wright Road, with the cost being paid by the Milton School District.

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JasonTh
Aug 29, 2010 at 9:50 p.m.
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For everyone posting an opinion here - it doesn't mean squat. Attend the city council meetings and communicate with your council member before the meeting and let them know how you feel. You may not have voted for them, or even voted at all - but they represent you.

woodyman77
Aug 27, 2010 at 11:16 a.m.
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problem w that is we dont even have enough money for schools, so lets build a new ice arena?
I am curious about the firestation? we are in need of a new fire station there why, because our firefighters are having trouble getting over to that area to put out fires?
I am not disagreeing i am just very suspicious that we NEED a new fire station over there. explain the need, please. thx
what we NEED is a good school system, and we need good public services, o if there is a genuine need i am for a fire station , but not at the expense of a 2 million dollar ice arena.

TJRockCounty
Aug 26, 2010 at 2:15 p.m.
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Let me bow my head and plead ignorance, I didn't have all the information I needed to pass judgement. I spoke with Councilman Bill Truman last Sunday and it seems I was wrong. The reason council members are considering building a new ice arena is because the land from the old one can be used to build the new fire station that is needed in that part of town and it would cost less for the two. If the city were to purchase land for the fire station and update the old ice arena, it would cost the taxpayers more. I stand corrected, build it.

mnwild
Aug 26, 2010 at 12:52 p.m.
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Really......as I sit here back in my home of MN I am amazed at the ignorance of people in my former home town of Janesville. I can NOT believe you would all think that this ice arena is because of an NAHL team the Jets that fortunately came to your town last year! Wake up!!! this is about your youth in Janesville and providing them the opportunity to play a wonderful sport. What a narrow closed mind world you live in! our youth are your future and think back to the sacrifices your parents and community made for you during tough times! Don't be such self absorbed selfish negative people!

mastadon
Aug 23, 2010 at 10:05 a.m.
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LOL ya i know...i couldnt resist the urge to comment and i forgot to take that part out :)

mastadon
Aug 22, 2010 at 9:17 p.m.
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Im not even going to comment, what a joke. they are still considering this?? No matter how many times they look at the numbers it doesnt make sense to have 2 sheets of ice, let alone a new arena. Those in charge must have played hockey and took one to many hits to the head. If the numbers dont add up now, after all is said and done why build another one?? REFRESH THE OLD ARENA YOU GREEDY PEOPLE!!!

TJRockCounty
Aug 22, 2010 at 10:15 a.m.
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jvlreader
Aug 22, 2010 at 9:28 a.m.
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A second sheet of ice would allow more ice time to the public, allow youth, high school, and other teams to use the ice at reasonable hours. I believe the high school team often worksout late in the evening.

lovepuppies
Aug 22, 2010 at 9:19 a.m.
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We don't need any new ice arena. Let them skate outside. Don't we have a hockey rink at Traxler? Let them pay for that!

beeferer
Aug 22, 2010 at 9:06 a.m.
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frogger
Aug 21, 2010 at 3:58 p.m.
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TJ- I agree. Some of the best teams play/ practice like this. They don't have fancy places like we ALREADY have. YES this is fancy to the guys playing outside with wall made of burlap!

SarahB1
Aug 21, 2010 at 3:39 p.m.
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Heck with it all. Keep both public kiddie pools and Rockport pool filled, let the water in each freeze and skate on those.

TJRockCounty
Aug 21, 2010 at 2:11 p.m.
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If they want a second ice sheet, turn on the water at Traxler park and make a second ice sheet. Get those kids outside in the fresh air and play hockey like we used to, outside. It's like nobody wants their children to have to play in the cold.(?!!!)

fanoffun10
Aug 21, 2010 at 2:02 p.m.
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I LOVE how everyone is biting on the bait. Obviously most of you don't get it and are looking to settle. If I walked up to you and asked for $100 to get a cup of coffee, you'd think I was insane and turn me away. But if I walked up to you and asked for $1.00 for a cup of coffee, I would get more people to give me a dollar. Because common sense says a cup of coffee is about a dollar. Bottomline, I get my cup of coffee.

They are asking for TWO sheets of ice in a new arena, just to get their new arena. Doesn't matter how many sheets are in it, just as long as they get a new arena via the taxpayers. How about this stance instead, "NO NEW ICE ARENA" it's a WANT by a few NOT a NEED by the majority !!!

jeremy1123
Aug 21, 2010 at 1:54 p.m.
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Why must we keep beating this dead horse. Will it just go away or make it private and not seek public funding.

commonsense123
Aug 21, 2010 at 1:24 p.m.
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I think having an ice arena in Janesville is great. Many people say we don't have enough for kids to do here. Open skate is an option. My sons had played hockey for a couple of years and that is expensive. Youth hockey tournaments and camps can bring money to Janesville much like the water ski show. Not in 1 weekend, but thru the entire season. We did a couple out of town tournaments and spent at LEAST $500 each weekend in places like Reedsburg and Wausau. Parents, ask your kids if they would go to free skate occasionally. If not, ask why. With economy as it is, can we charge less, get more involved and make more money?If they charge $5 to skate and 20 people are there the ice arena makes $100. If they charge $3 and 40 people are there, they make $120. Maybe the same with youth hockey. Let's here from people who DO use the ice arena and those that would like to but don't. Money will always be tight and not all citizens use all facilities the city has to offer. I am not a senior citizen so don't care about the senior center. My kids are now in their 20's and drive and go to Madison or elsewhere for entertainment. But there is a need for physical activities for kids in winter. Not all kids watch TV, play video games, or read books non stop. Maybe if we build it, they will come.

janesvillean
Aug 21, 2010 at 1:14 p.m.
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It has never actually been a "dead horse". The times it has not been on the agenda have been times that studies or fundraising have been taking place. The opposition to this project on the Gazette threads is pretty much only evident here.

SarahB1
Aug 21, 2010 at 12:19 p.m.
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frusion: You're probably right. This is an issue that people probably need to voice their opposition to over and over and over again. Those in support of giving taxpayer money to a new arena don't seem to be getting the message ... although it appears that Levitt MIGHT be moving a bit more to the center on the issue.

frusion
Aug 21, 2010 at 10 a.m.
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SarahB1, one might think that, but the way this dead horse keeps coming back to life, I think it will keep pushing forward regardless of how much money is privately raised.

garyprimer
Aug 21, 2010 at 9:59 a.m.
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If you want ice, just wait until the first week of December. All you want, free!

NeoBartly
Aug 21, 2010 at 9:46 a.m.
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Squint your eyes when you gaze upon the photo of Mr Levitt. Look deep into those eyes. Do you see what I see? Or is an illusion? (Or is it continual additions to the local economy's double-down-dip soon to be enhanced by this cities actions?)

jp53545
Aug 21, 2010 at 9:45 a.m.
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There is no money for this right now. OK, next question......

SarahB1
Aug 21, 2010 at 3:58 a.m.
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Skip all of this; I doubt the skating folks will meet their fund-raising goal. Meanwhile, build the new fire station at the intersection of Racine and Main streets (southwest corner).

JasonTh
Aug 21, 2010 at 3:02 a.m.
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City Council, pretend you're running a business. I know, it's a long shot, but hear me out.

Any investment in your business should be done with a profit in mind. If you spend ten thousand dollars on a park - will you recoup that in property tax increases in that area over time? Probably.

Now, let's talk about this ice rink. We're currently using one, but it's breaking down a lot of and needs repairs. We have a hockey team that wants to play here and some folks who want to watch them.

If you invest the millions of our tax dollars into this facility - will you recoup that investment and turn a profit in a reasonable amount of time? Or more importantly - will more money be leaving our city limits versus entering our city limits?

You have not convinced me that the city or a majority of its citizens will benefit from any money spent on the ice arena.

Sell it to the highest bidder and cut our losses now.

dkush21
Aug 21, 2010 at 12:15 a.m.
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Bisquit5: Ha Ha, well said!!!!

Biscuit5
Aug 20, 2010 at 10:55 p.m.
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as for the ice arena I think theyre full of sheet

lovemycountry
Aug 20, 2010 at 9:34 p.m.
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It's worth noting a youth hockey camp was canceled this summer due to lack of interest resulting in too few enrollees to hold the camp.

toad1
Aug 20, 2010 at 9:33 p.m.
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Why is this subject back again? when the issue with the case feed building on rockport and Center has not been taking care of? school starts shortly and young children will be walking around the fenced off area ether in the road or forced to cross the street to get around the vacant building,oops for got wrong side of town nobody cares.

TJRockCounty
Aug 20, 2010 at 9:18 p.m.
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NO to the second ice sheet. Why does this committee keep 'slipping' this into the Council agenda? Do they think they're going to 'melt' the 'cold' naysayers into saying yes? No means No, end of story.

Eksreigh
Aug 20, 2010 at 8:08 p.m.
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We aint got to raze are stinkin ACT avragez, we need more sports!

twerp13
Aug 20, 2010 at 6:55 p.m.
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I agree we cannot afford a WANT at this time ! Sure it would be nice to have, however we are thinking about adding a garbage fee because of shortfalls in the budget, yet are thinking about a ice arena...NO WAY...NOT NOW. Let's take care of the needs of the entire city first, before we think of a luxury that will only be utilized by a few.
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And before I get bashed with those saying it brings in revenue, please show me the factual dollar amounts this adds to the city and area businesses. If and only if they are very substantial, would I consider a venture like this, and only in a better economic climate.

frogger
Aug 20, 2010 at 6:42 p.m.
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Give it up already. You hired somebody to give you advice on a second sheet. If you don't care about their opinion they WHY waste all that money.

IvoteIspeak
Aug 20, 2010 at 5:16 p.m.
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Here we go again it the Same OLD Sh*^ again. This is how this city operates wasting time and money trying to pass the same things over and over. I agree that this is a waste. Move on already cause I am. I am so sick of this place that I am moving to Florida in October see you later.

beeferer
Aug 20, 2010 at 5:10 p.m.
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Only 2 out of 29 people on the team are from Janesville! We want to spend HOW much money on 2 of our citizens??!!?!?!!!!!!!!!

NeoBartly
Aug 20, 2010 at 4:59 p.m.
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We, or They rather: Already know how the public as a majority feels about this. This is just another of those "If we keep bringing this COLD* subject up, eventually the detractors will subside/ or become apathetic...thingy"
Sure hope everyone stays abreast to this Squeeze-Play-Action?
They want it, they must come up with the money from somewhere ELSE.
{City of 62K. a possible 100 Local families use. I dunno folks...Whaddah You Think?}

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