Ice arena decision on hold

By FRANK SCHULTZ ( Contact )   Tuesday, Sept. 15, 2009
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In other business Tuesday, the Janesville City Council:

-- Approved a liquor license for the former Corvina's bar, 123 E. Milwaukee St. Building owners Jaleh Dabiri and Fred Shahlapour said they want to open a bar there under new management, either their own or someone who would lease the building.

Dabiri said before the meeting that she hoped to have the bar open by mid-October.

Dabiri and Shahlapour formerly operated at that location under the name Hilltop Café.

Frank Perrotto voted against giving them the license, saying he thinks the city has enough bars downtown. He also is concerned the clientele that frequented the establishment earlier this year would return.

-- Approved an outdoor seating area for the Time Out Pub & Eatery, 101 E. Milwaukee St., one block west of Corvina's.

-- Denied an administration request to remove traffic signals at the intersections of Beloit Avenue and State Street and at Academy and Milwaukee streets.

-- Approved proposals to remove traffic signals at four other locations.

— A decision on a new ice arena for Janesville will have to wait.

The city council on Tuesday gave a committee working on a public-private funding plan six more weeks to come up with a proposal.

Larry Squire of the committee asked for more time so the committee could investigate new ideas he did not specify.

In the meantime, the city is looking at a tentative plan for a new ice arena at a cost of $4 million. Private donors and the city would split the cost.

Most if not all council members seemed ready to give the committee more time. But at the same time, council members and City Manager Eric Levitt were concerned about the old building, the Janesville Ice Skating Center.

The old building needs $1.3 million to $1.5 million to upgrade the ice-making system, fix the ice surface and put on a new roof, Levitt said. That money would not address other problems at the site, including a too-small parking lot and not enough seating, and the building would still be 30 years old, Levitt said.

Complicating matters was an apparent division among council members about the site. The proposal on the table would put the new arena on land near the east-side Youth Sports Complex, next to The Janesville Gazette's printing plant.

Council member Yuri Rashkin said he could not support a plan unless the new rink is downtown. Council member Tom McDonald wouldn't go that far, but he urged the administration to seek creative ways to put the rink downtown.

Mark Robinson of the committee said city staff had told him that a site must be 6 acres to 9 acres, because of the need for water detention ponds required of a parking lot. Robinson said sites in the vicinity of downtown, such as land near the Dawson Ball Fields, are not big enough.

Some other vacant sites would not be free, city land, Robinson said. And hilly Rockport Park, which has been proposed, would require vast amounts of fill to be usable.

That said, the committee is open to looking at other sites, Squire said.

Council member Frank Perrotto said he was very interested in the Rockport Park site. He worried the land on the east side should be kept open in case a new business would want it.

Levitt said the council had three choices:

-- Commit to spending $2 million to build a new arena, with a total of $2.5 million if a second ice sheet were added on later.

-- Spend up to $1.5 million to upgrade the existing facility to extend its life at least five to 10 years.

-- Put off any action indefinitely.

In all three cases, the council could face a breakdown that would shut down the old site and/or cause big repair bills on the old site, Levitt said.

Squire told the council the committee has had "good conversations" with potential donors, but to date, no one has stepped forward with a significant pledge, so it does not look as though the committee's plan for starting construction this fall and opening next spring will happen.

The committee is associated with Janesville Youth Hockey.

The city recently spent $200,000 at the current skating center, and the compressor could go down and need replacement at any time, council members noted.

Perrotto said most of the council probably wants a new rink, but he said the problem of what to do and how much to spend on the old arena until a new one is built should be given serious consideration.

"I would have a real problem saying ‘let's have a new roof, and we'll still consider a new ice arena,' Perrotto said. "I would have a real problem voting for that."

Council member Russ Steeber warned of another scenario: If a new arena is not built now, the city will repair the old one, and then in 10 years, the price tag for a new arena will be $8 million, not $4 million.

In a related item Tuesday, the council voted, 4-3, to authorize Levitt to approve advertising in the skating center, but no alcohol ads will be allowed under the ice or on the dasher boards.

Voting against the motion were George Brunner, Bill Truman and Tom McDonald.

The center already features beer advertising on the walls.

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booch11
Sep 16, 2009 at 9:13 p.m.
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hannah:
"If you skip the roof you wont need an icemaker in the winter"
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that's funny! it would make for good old fashioned ice hockey now wouldn't it.

TheJoker
Sep 16, 2009 at 2:33 p.m.
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Marienburg, Janesville has not had any "thinkers" for decades. This lack of vision will set back our fair city for at least 50 years. Yes, Janesville will survive, but it will be stagnant and stripped down from what it used to be.

Marienburg1274
Sep 16, 2009 at 1:48 p.m.
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Every other municipality in the state is finding creative ways to build sports fields and buildings such as ice arenas. One favored way is to sell naming rights, signage, and seat sponsorships. Has the dead-hand of GM further dulled the wits of Janesville's thinkers?

pepster40
Sep 16, 2009 at 1:10 p.m.
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I quote “to date, no one has stepped forward with a significant pledge”. If spending the money on a new ice rink is such a great idea, why are there no significant donations? Nor have I noticed our grand council members making significant pledges from their personal finances to this project. I guess they think it is OK to spend taxpayer money, but they are not dumb enough to spend their own money.

Why should the taxpayer finance a new ice rink? Obviously the current ice rink is such a moneymaker that they cannot even afford to pay for the maintenance of their own facility.

STOP WASTING my tax money and find private rather than public financing. Try offering a guaranteed return on investments that is paid even if the entire project goes bankrupt to get investor capital.

TheJoker
Sep 16, 2009 at 10:16 a.m.
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The ice arena and the discussion about it is a complete waste of time. No more wasted public money on this black hole of a building!

spark
Sep 16, 2009 at 9:42 a.m.
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Ya, he called for change, but it's change that's not working or going to help. I don't believe in letting the rink sink and I support it. If Janesville is going to regroup, it needs the good schools and other things to draw people in. Right now, there's not a whole lot doing that. I understand people are concerned about taxes, etc. That is natural. But I have a much bigger problem with what I'm being taxed for and will continue to be taxed for which isn't having any effect on our own personal community.

spark
Sep 16, 2009 at 9:18 a.m.
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I really hope those of you saying you can't take anymore tax increases didn't vote for Obama. If you did, you are in for a rude awakening. Not trying to change the subject or start a democratic/republic fight either. That's not my point. Point is, our current Government is going to tax the living hell out of us so if you're concerned about our local community and being taxed, you better look at the big picture because it's coming.

befair
Sep 15, 2009 at 11:47 p.m.
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While it would be fantastic to see something happen in the former Menard's building, the property is way too expensive for this project alone.

duecerider1976
Sep 15, 2009 at 11:34 p.m.
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How about the old Menards building.

booch11
Sep 15, 2009 at 10:54 p.m.
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janesvillean,
would a new ice rink improve the quality of life in janesville? some, people who love hockey (a fairly small group i would think if attendance is any indication) would say yes i suppose.
i think a majority of the people, especially given the state of our economy, would say a brand new facility would not.
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Whatever Councilman Steeber is smoking i need to get me some -- putting a new facility downtown is one of the stupidest ideas I've heard in a long time. If 6 to 9 acres are necessary, which buildings will he raze?

janesvillean
Sep 15, 2009 at 7:09 p.m.
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Well, I can't believe construction costs will escalate 7% annually (two to three times typical inflation rates), so that rush argument is weak. But I would rather see money invested in a new facility built to current standards and needs than sunk into one that we know is outdated, and it doesn't seem like we can get a significantly better facility than we have without a comparable investment.

BBB
Sep 15, 2009 at 4:51 p.m.
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Let it sink.

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