Obama is a mere mortal

By CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER   Friday, Sept. 4, 2009
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— WASHINGTON

What happened to President Obama? His wax wings having melted, he is the man who fell to Earth. What happened to bring his popularity down further than that of any new president in polling history save Gerald Ford (post-Nixon pardon)?

The conventional wisdom is that Obama made a tactical mistake by farming out his agenda to Congress and allowing himself to be pulled left by the doctrinaire liberals of the Democratic congressional leadership. But the idea of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi pulling Obama left is quite ridiculous. Where do you think he came from, this friend of Chavista ex-terrorist William Ayers, of PLO apologist Rashid Khalidi, of racialist inciter Jeremiah Wright?

But forget the character witnesses. Just look at Obama’s behavior as president, beginning with his first address to Congress. Unbidden, unforced and unpushed by the congressional leadership, Obama gave his most deeply felt vision of America, delivering the boldest social democratic manifesto ever issued by a U.S. president. In American politics, you can’t get more left than that speech and still be on the playing field.

In a center-right country, that was problem enough. Obama then compounded it by vastly misreading his mandate. He assumed it was personal. This, after winning by a mere seven points in a year of true economic catastrophe, of an extraordinarily unpopular Republican incumbent, and of a politically weak and unsteady opponent. Nonetheless, Obama imagined that, as Fouad Ajami so brilliantly observed, he had won the kind of banana-republic plebiscite that grants caudillo-like authority to remake everything in one’s own image.

Accordingly, Obama unveiled his plans for a grand makeover of the American system, animating that vision by enacting measure after measure that greatly enlarged state power, government spending and national debt. Not surprisingly, these measures engendered powerful popular skepticism that burst into tea-party town-hall resistance.

Obama’s reaction to that resistance made things worse. Obama fancies himself tribune of the people, spokesman for the grass roots, harbinger of a new kind of politics from below that would upset the established lobbyist special-interest order of Washington. Yet faced with protests from a real grass-roots movement, his party and his supporters called it a mob—misinformed, misled, irrational, angry, unhinged, bordering on racist. All this while the administration was cutting backroom deals with every manner of special interest—from drug companies to auto unions to doctors—in which favors worth billions were quietly and opaquely exchanged.

“Get out of the way” and “don’t do a lot of talking,” the great bipartisan scolded opponents whom he blamed for creating the “mess” from which he is merely trying to save us. If only they could see. So with boundless confidence in his own persuasiveness, Obama undertook a summer campaign to enlighten the masses by addressing substantive objections to his reforms.

Things got worse still. With answers so slippery and implausible and, well, fishy, he began jeopardizing the most fundamental asset of any new president—trust. You can’t say that the system is totally broken and in need of radical reconstruction, but nothing will change for you; that Medicare is bankrupting the country, but $500 billion in cuts will have no effect on care; that you will expand coverage while reducing deficits—and not inspire incredulity and mistrust. When ordinary citizens understand they are being played for fools, they bristle.

After a disastrous summer—mistaking his mandate, believing his press, centralizing power, governing left, disdaining citizens for (of all things) organizing—Obama is in trouble.

Let’s be clear: This is a fall, not a collapse. He’s not been repudiated or even defeated. He will likely regroup and pass some version of health insurance reform that will restore some of his clout and popularity.

But what has occurred—irreversibly—is this: He’s become ordinary. The spell is broken. The charismatic conjurer of 2008 has shed his magic. He’s regressed to the mean, tellingly expressed in poll numbers hovering at 50 percent.

For a man who only recently bred a cult, ordinariness is a great burden, and for his acolytes, a crushing disappointment. Obama has become a politician like others. And like other flailing presidents, he will try to salvage a cherished reform—and his own standing—with yet another prime-time speech.

But for the first time since election night in Grant Park, he will appear in the most unfamiliar of guises—mere mortal, a treacherous transformation to which a man of Obama’s supreme self-regard may never adapt.

Charles Krauthammer is a columnist for the Washington Post. His e-mail address is letters@charleskrauthammer.com.




reader COMMENTS (104)
chainsawchuckie
Sep 8, 2009 at 7:37 p.m.
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Sally , Sally , Sally. When are you going to start typing something that holds any value in here? Seems to me that all you do is want to counter everything most of us type. I won't miss you while I'm on vacation and have no access to the internet. It will be nice not to have to bore myself with your so called ramblings and degrading people who just want to make their comments here. Oh and one more thing Sally, keep thinking of ways to warm the underside of the rock that you spend most of your time under..........Peace

DiGriz
Sep 8, 2009 at 12:23 p.m.
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Pharm, etc. I WAS, as RAF pointed out, talking about powers vested by the Constitution itself. I may have gotten a bit off track from that focus, but that is indeed what I was talking about to begin with. I just have so much fun getting Sally's panties in a bundle...he's much more fun when he's foaming at the snout, don't you think?

RetiredAirForce
Sep 8, 2009 at 11:27 a.m.
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When the industry (law and lawyers) donates more than any other industry in our country they are buying something...

More than 1 Billion dollars in the last 20 years, with 230 Million dollars spent during the last election cycle alone: http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/in...

2nd and 3rd place, health profession and education (for 2008 cycle).

SarahB1
Sep 8, 2009 at 10:51 a.m.
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darwin1: I am also puzzled by the comments regarding the need for tort reform in a national program. All but 10 states already have limits in place.

darwin1
Sep 8, 2009 at 9:14 a.m.
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Funny how those who constantly blather on about smaller government support the federal power grab of tort reform. Currently, tort is vested in the states. Nice hypocrisy.

Yes, let's pass a law that protects incompetent doctors from being held accountable. Is this how Conservatives promote personal responsibility?

sprout
Sep 7, 2009 at 11:37 p.m.
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vatoloco, thanks for the link to the tort reform article.

vatoloco
Sep 7, 2009 at 9:48 p.m.
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I will be listening to President Obama on Wednesday to see if he talks about tort reform. Highly unlikely.

vatoloco
Sep 7, 2009 at 9:41 p.m.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opini...

Nice piece in the Tribune.

RAF-You have made some valid points about how the left contributes millions to the Dems. Its all about the lawyers. Obama wants to shelter them.

vatoloco
Sep 7, 2009 at 9:36 p.m.
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Changing topics.

Lets start a discussion as to why the current president is reluctant to include tort reform in any discussion for healthcare reform?

chainsawchuckie
Sep 7, 2009 at 7:50 p.m.
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darwin isn't there a rock somewhere that needs warming up on the underside by you??

chainsawchuckie
Sep 7, 2009 at 7:48 p.m.
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I'M GETTING DIZZY

pharm
Sep 7, 2009 at 6:39 p.m.
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The question was,"what powers does the President have to enforce the Constitution," not "what powers does the President have to enforce the Constitution WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN?" Whether by Congress, or by the Constitution, the Executive Branch is the one tasked with enforcing the laws. The Attorney General is the top law enforcement officer in this country, and has been since 1789, as you stated. He is appointed by, and answers to, the Executive Branch, the President.

RetiredAirForce
Sep 7, 2009 at 5:53 p.m.
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Pharm reality is much different than what the dolt thinks and you have echoed here. The constitution has nothing about any of the agencies you cite nor does it state anything about enforcement by the executive branch. Laws later passed by congress, for example the Judiciary Act of 1789, helped create these and other agencies...none of which have powers vested by the constitution...by congress yes.

pharm
Sep 7, 2009 at 5:11 p.m.
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The Department of Justice, FBI, DEA, ATF, U.S. Marshals, Department of Homeland Security, Immigration Service, Secret Service, Coast guard, Transportation Security Administration,FCC, SEC,etc., are all parts of the enforcement arm of the Executive Branch. That does not even include the National Guard, and all the Armed Services.

pharm
Sep 7, 2009 at 4:55 p.m.
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DIGriz, again not to be on the wrong side of the fence, it is not my interpretation, there are multiple web sites that enumerate the jobs of the Executive Branch, including government ones. They all say that among the responsibilities of the Executive Branch are "the implementing and enforcing of the laws of the U.S."

darwin1
Sep 7, 2009 at 3:10 p.m.
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DizzyGirl, clearly has a reality issue. Yes, the FBI, Attorney General and Federal Prosecutors have no power. What reality do you live in? What country do you live in? In the 50's, President Eisenhower, a real Republican, deployed 101st Airborne division to ENFORCE desegregation, TO ENFORCE A SUPREME COURT RULING. For Christs sake man, come back to reality. With soldiers like you, who needs enemies.

DiGriz
Sep 7, 2009 at 1:48 p.m.
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And Pharm, hopefully you realize I was not offended......
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I fully realize that the executive in a text-book sense "enforces the laws," but it does not have any power to do so. We are talking semantics, here, (and I know it, I just like making Sally look like he does....I don't need to say it, but it sounds like "pool."). I'm making more of a point, semantically, that the executive branch carries OUT laws - executes them. It has no power to enforce laws.

darwin1
Sep 7, 2009 at 1:36 p.m.
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sadly, girlydiz, they have to interpret the Constitution before they can decide if a law is Constitutional and then the Executive branch enforces the decisions of the courts. See Brown vs the Board of Education of Topeka Kansas. More non-facts from the ignorant.

whoanellie
Sep 7, 2009 at 1:34 p.m.
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I guess the house of cards is starting to fall now with the steppong down of that fool Van jones! Now if only a few will follow suit up in the czars house we could get something done. We need to keep Obama responsible for all these lunatics he has appointed! Thank you Glenn Beck and some of the other fair and balanced news people out there for bringing this to a head!!!!

DiGriz
Sep 7, 2009 at 1:12 p.m.
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I will go on anyway, as to alleviate any confusion:
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The authority of the federal court system is granted by Article III, Section 1, of the Constitution. The JUDICIAL branch, along with the other two (exec, legislative), comprise the three components of the U.S. government. The judicial branch is composed of federal and state courts and, of course, a bunch of judges (those would be the guys who actually decide, Sally). The purpose of the judiciary is to indeed to "interpret laws," but only do so in order to MAKE RULINGS on legal questions (like in hearings, Sally...) Additionally, it determines if laws passed by legislatures down to the local level violate the U.S. Constitution in any way. The courts also consider the constitutionality of the actions taken by the executive (that's the President, Sally). That is called judicial review, and it allows the judiciary to void or nullify any laws or actions that they rule to be unconstitutional, like those taken by the EXECUTIVE.
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The legislative branch may ratify a Constitutional amendment in order to make legislation lawful. That is another part of the checks and balances against any one branch, especially the Executive, having too much power, like perhaps King George the III had, hmmm? Now, Sally, WHO enforces the Constitution? Say something silly again.....

DiGriz
Sep 7, 2009 at 12:50 p.m.
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Pharm: Don't start interpreting and making crap up like Sally does.
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The framers outlined the powers and duties of the Executive branch in Article II of the Constitution. The specific powers given to the president are few, and the language that is used to describe them is often brief and vague. Specifically, the president has the authority to be commander in chief of the armed forces; to grant pardons; to make treaties; and to appoint ambassadors, Supreme Court justices, and other government officers. More generally, the president is responsible for making sure "that the Laws be faithfully executed", though the framers did not specify how the president was to accomplish this goal. The framers also made no specific provisions for a staff that would assist the president; the Constitution says only that the president may "require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices." While it does say that he makes sure "laws are faithfully executed," don't start saying that means he enforces laws, because he DOES NOT. Laws, which includes issues dealing with the CONSTITUTION, are enforced by the judicial, by the courts, and the highest court in the nation is the Supreme Court of the United States. THAT is who enforces the Constitution. The executive has no power to do so, because that power was never vested in the Executive. The framers did not want to create anything that resembled a KING. Geeze........The purpose of the executive is to provide LEADERSHIP, not Justice. The President is not a cop, nor a judge.
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Clear enough yet? Or do I need to go on?

pharm
Sep 7, 2009 at 12:05 p.m.
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DIGriz, I obviously don`t want to get on your bad side, but Government 101 states, "the primary purpose of the Executive Branch is to make sure the laws of the U.S. are followed." They, Pres., V/P., Cabinet, Fed. agencies are tasked with this.

DiGriz
Sep 7, 2009 at 9:21 a.m.
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"The executive branch enforces"
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Please explain to all the nice folks what powers the President has to enforce the Constitution.... I want to hear this..

DiGriz
Sep 7, 2009 at 9:08 a.m.
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You should be on Comedy Central, Sally. LMAO. You ever notice how no one likes you? No one listens to your diatribe? I can't believe you abuse yourself like this.... But, to each his own, I guess. I enjoy it.

darwin1
Sep 7, 2009 at 9:02 a.m.
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dizzygirly, once again devoid of facts.

With soldiers like you, who needs enemies?

DiGriz
Sep 7, 2009 at 8:13 a.m.
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"So one is going to pay for his hand outs to rich bankers"
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It's the other way around. The Federal Reserve (which is not owned by the Fed) makes the bankers rich, and CONTROLS Obama.

DiGriz
Sep 7, 2009 at 8:01 a.m.
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"because you would never have passed the poll test. You are the epitome of traditional elitism and arrogance"
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No, I'm just a lot smarter than you are. Everyone can see it, you are jealous, and it irks you to no end, you sad little man...

DiGriz
Sep 7, 2009 at 7:41 a.m.
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Sally, Sally, Sally....
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You'd almost be amusing if you were not a nut job. Actually, your rants do in fact make me laugh. How about answering the question?

SarahB1
Sep 7, 2009 at 1:51 a.m.
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Pete: The banker bailout occurred during Bush's watch. Granted, both Obama and McCain supported the plan, but Bush is the one who rushed it through by courting politicians and also going on television at least twice to tell the nation that this action needed to be taken immediately.

grass
Sep 6, 2009 at 10:33 p.m.
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I second that Pete.

SarahB1
Sep 6, 2009 at 5:17 p.m.
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brwe and RetiredAirForce: I don't know if the public option would make for improvement. I do know, however, that my work with government-run Medicare and Medicaid programs is much more progressive from an RN viewpoint. I can't even remember ever having to call for preadmission approval on either program's patients. Everybody thinks that government-run programs means more red tape, etc., but I have not seen it that way. I've also not seen government programs leading to unnecessary care being given by care providers such as hospitals or treatment centers. Of course, I rarely see that with insurance-funded patients but made note of it here because so many people fear cost overruns on government-funded coverage.

darwin1
Sep 6, 2009 at 4:04 p.m.
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dizzygirly is wrong again. The executive branch enforces, the judicial branch interprets, congress legislates. Get your facts straight before you get them wrong.

Originally, originally, originally we were a colony. Yes, we originally were one thing and then we changed and enfranchised more and more people. Sadly, you are too ignorant to realize you wouldn't have been allowed to vote in your own Republic because you would never have passed the poll test. You are the epitome of traditional elitism and arrogance.

RetiredAirForce
Sep 6, 2009 at 3:57 p.m.
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Sarah please explain how you expect preauthorizations to be any better with a public option.

brwe
Sep 6, 2009 at 2:12 p.m.
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SarahB1--I can pretty much agree with your assessment of the insurance companies, but the only ones caring even less are the liberal politicians/bureaucrats that want to take their places.

DiGriz
Sep 6, 2009 at 2:08 p.m.
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Actually, you know what Sally? Let's ask you a question, shall we??
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Sally, you love to extol the virtues of the U.S. Constitution when it suits you. Therefore, with your advanced degree from Michoacan University, which has given you all the basic knowledge needed about the founding of our country in order to answer this question in an informed and intelligent manner, I ask:
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Which do you prefer - Democracy or Republic?

DiGriz
Sep 6, 2009 at 1:42 p.m.
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"No, dizzygirl the courts decide how the actual Constitution is interpreted - not you."
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Excellent, STUPID comment, Sally. It is not the court's job to interpret the Constitution, only to enforce it!!! People like you want the courts to pick and choose, and interpret, in order to get what you want. WE THE PEOPLE originally set up a Republic with a decenralized government and a Bill of Rights so that people like YOU could not do that. Your kind has been trying to tear down the rule of law for over a century, and you have been sucessful. The purpose of your life, Sally, is for one end only: the pursuit of YOUR happiness, not that of the nation. No one even has to give you a shovel.... you have your own. Keep talking, dummy.

SarahB1
Sep 6, 2009 at 1:18 p.m.
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vatoloco: Yes, I do support Obama's plan and am disheartened to realize that there is a good chance that it will not include a public option. There is absolutely no way I can back any plan that keeps insurance companies as the lone keyholder. I and a good share of my RN peers know firsthand how it's a constant battle to get preauthorization (and continued authorization) for treatment for my patients. I've had to make those calls to insurance companies at all hours of the day and night to deal with insurance representatives who sometimes act like they don't know a foot from a brain. Their only goal seems to be to earn money for the company and to heck with what their "members" need to save their lives. In fact, I know several people who left these insurance companies after realizing the companies couldn't give a hoot about the "members".

justaguy
Sep 6, 2009 at 1:06 p.m.
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obama doesn't have a clue on how to run a counrty,just look at the czars he has helping him .... nough said.

andre_linoge
Sep 6, 2009 at 12:46 p.m.
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darwin, advanced degree fact guy. If you really want to see someone that blathers endlessly and never says anything close to facts or truth. Take a look in the mirror. I notice you are avoiding the other thread because all your so called "facts" got blown out of the water.

darwin1
Sep 6, 2009 at 9:51 a.m.
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No, dizzygirl the courts decide how the actual Constitution is interpreted - not you. Sadly, I have never seen someone blather on so endlessly while providing so few facts. You don't have an "advanced degree" because you actually have to earn one.

chainsawchuckie
Sep 6, 2009 at 9:12 a.m.
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Could the house of cards be imploding??

DiGriz......Wow you sure do know how to talk to Sally!! LMAO.........I love it!!

DiGriz
Sep 6, 2009 at 8:41 a.m.
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"Someone who uses the polls to form an opinion about anything is someone who will never be an independent thinker. I am not saying you are this type of person; I just think most political polls are a waste of time"
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The question is, Sarah, do you really believe that? I hope you do.
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Polls are what has made the rule of law irrelevant. We now live by poll results that are highly influenced by the socialist propaganda of the news media. Do we have a right to a job, college education, parking spot? Yeah, you bet!! Why not??
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The total ignoranance of most Americans in relation to their own constitution allows those who desire a powerful central government to erode individual liberties, little by little, under the pretense of compassion, national security, and equal rights for all. Without the rule of law, and the REAL Constitution, there are no individual liberties, only what the majority of the moment wants it to be. People like SALLY think that the Constitution is a "living document," meaning they can change it as often as they want to and it means whatever they want it to mean. You've seen SALLY say as much time and time again like a broken record on these comment boards. If that's the case, then the Constitution is nothing more than an archaic historical document with no current value except when it suits someone's political agenda, such as Sally's.
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There are now virtually no Constitutional constraints on the fed. The Constitution is subverted all the time by Congress, Executive orders, and judicial decrees.
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Q: Do they teach that in schools these days?

DiGriz
Sep 6, 2009 at 6:29 a.m.
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"dizzygirl, could you be more wrong. The Original Constitution doesn't matter because we no longer live in that time"
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Sally (Darwin): Fine, then shut your festering gob regarding the use of the phrase "promote the general welfare" because by your own hypocritical admission, it doesn't matter, right? It was said in an earlier time....therefore your point is moot, as is the slave holding crap that keeps coming out of that sewer of a "mouth" of yours. You are no better than anyone who takes bible verse out of context and interprets it to make their own selfish point. Pathetic.

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No, we're not going to buy your snake-oil, Dr. Marvel. Greedy Americans like you are what is ruining this country now and who have repeatedly destroyed the protections of the Republic. You're of the crowd that thinks the Constitution is a living document to be bent to the will of the fickle mob, without any check and balance. All one has to do in order to find the root cause of all the country's ills is to go back in time to when control of THE STATES was handed over to the powerful and central government that the founding fathers did not want or found, and the democracy that has taken hold. Representation of the people has been taken from the system set up by the founding fathers via ammendment and the Civil War, and we are left with the very thing that they feared even more than a return to monarchy. The people are governed by the greedy mob, not the rule of law. Refute that you nitwit. You don't even have the slightest clue about American politics and how we got to we are today.
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Who owns the Federal Reserve, Sally? Tell me who owns YOU??

vatoloco
Sep 6, 2009 at 4:13 a.m.
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One more thing SarahB1. You say you support Obama's healtcare plan yet you probably have no idea what most of it entails. I find it ridiculous that this man is trying to get this done this year without having major discussions on how to reform healthcare. One thing at a time. It's all about legacy for Obama. This will make him or break him. I go with the last one. When you are a newcomer into a new arena you cannot start changing things (too soon) on how you ideally want to see them. You have to start slow and work yourself in. Sometimes it's better to go with the flow on how things work or you risk your reputation. Obama at times shows he can work with others but he gets sidelined by all the extreme leftists like Pelosi and Reid. I feel Obama would be better off if he abandoned his party and worked as an independent. He would be much more effective. His own party will be one of his biggest challenges.

vatoloco
Sep 6, 2009 at 1:09 a.m.
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"It's both more enlightening and truthful"
The truth will set you free Sarah.

vatoloco
Sep 6, 2009 at 12:50 a.m.
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"I support President Obama's health care plan"

So SarahB1, you like the government to guide you, correct?

sprout
Sep 6, 2009 at 12:32 a.m.
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One Czar down, more to follow. Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy!

SarahB1
Sep 5, 2009 at 10:50 p.m.
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brwe: Someone who uses the polls to form an opinion about anything is someone who will never be an independent thinker. I am not saying you are this type of person; I just think most political polls are a waste of time. And, andre, tell us what is fact out of what hannah posted here. (That's not meant to be a slap at you, hanna. Most Americans are taking what they hear from others at face value and not doing any independent research on an issue.)

brwe
Sep 5, 2009 at 10:41 p.m.
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darwin1--Just caught the latest poll from CBS (NOT FOXNEWS), showing 40% of Americans supporting Obama's handling of health care & 47% disapproving. How does even a rabid, tunnel-vision liberal spin that into, "a majority still supports him & health care."?

brwe
Sep 5, 2009 at 10:13 p.m.
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I just love the way the eternally naive (i.e. liberals) pronounce the issue of "death panels" debunked, because...the Great One said so! And, if you need a second "proof", that exact terminology isn't used even once in that 1100 page doorstop! How much more evidence can reasonable people demand?

2dognight
Sep 5, 2009 at 8:58 p.m.
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I just wondered why anyone is surprised at the politics coming from the POTUS. He is from Chicago.

andre_linoge
Sep 5, 2009 at 4:31 p.m.
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yeah hannah, what is wrong with you. You should be listening to keith (over bite) olbermann, or chris (no ____) mathews, pmsnbc, abc, cnn, they will give you the "truth". That "truth" will be whatever the whitehouse tells them is true. They were all in obama's pocket before the election and still are. But they wouldn't distort the facts, no of course not.

darwin1
Sep 5, 2009 at 4:31 p.m.
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dizzygirl, could you be more wrong. The Original Constitution doesn't matter because we no longer live in that time - slaves taking care of Madison, Jefferson and Washington; women not having any rights. If you wanted that Constitution, then you should have the right to have a musket and not an assault rifle. Medicine was a lot different back then, you do understand this? There are no property protections in our actual Constitution. Yet the government is required to "...promote the general welfare..." which is actually in the real Constitution. That general welfare has always led to better living standards and longer, more prosperous lives. I understand that you and the rest of the Dark Agers would like to go back to throwing your sewages in the streets because it was free - no one else does.

SarahB1
Sep 5, 2009 at 3:53 p.m.
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hannah: You need to turn off Fox News or wherever else you are getting your information from regarding the health care proposal. None of what you've written in your comment to me is true.

SarahB1
Sep 5, 2009 at 3:51 p.m.
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DiGriz: That's OK regarding the address for the boys. Maybe I can locate the address that takes letters, etc., from the public and hands them out to the troops. It's just that these brothers, ages 7 and 10, were so excited with their "art creations" that carried the theme, "Why I love my USA!" and wanted to send them to a local soldier along with their photographs. Thanks anyway, DiGriz. Keep up the good work and come home soon.

Zoom
Sep 5, 2009 at 3:12 p.m.
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hannah, your "death panel" scenario has already been debunked. You're about a week behind the current anti-reform talking points.

Are you aware that INSURANCE companies currently decide what treatments they will pay for, assuming you still have insurance after losing your job or being saddled with that pesky pre-existing condition?

hannah
Sep 5, 2009 at 2:01 p.m.
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Sarahb1- you really want the gov to decide IF you can have treatment or not because you are to old, or to young or to fat or to skinny.
ie lets say youre a healthy 70 year old may live to be 100 never know but you may be to old to get a new organ cause youre old.
What is youre young teenager or so and are ill and there is treatment but they would rather not waist it on a "sick" child that may not work anyway. It WOULD work on them but they care not to waste it on you cause youre sick already.
SOUNDS GREAT HUH!!??

DiGriz
Sep 5, 2009 at 1:49 p.m.
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You know, I guess I've had it with a certain someone jumping up and down saying that "welfare" is in the constitution. It's no more in the constitution than Democracy is - not in the Original Constitution.
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Let's start there. Our county was founded as a Republic - a decentralized representative republic whose only power was limited to the protection of liberty and private property. Show me anywhere in the Constitution where "democratic or democracy" appear? There is a clear difference between a Republic and a Democracy. The founding fathers were just as fearful of Democracy as they were of reverting to something like a monarchy. Mr. Madison, the father of the Constitution, said "Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention, have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property, and in general have been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death." Well, that's what some on these comment boards want to happen, and Democracy is what we have now, not what we started as. The ammendments have seen to that, as some have been specifically designed to make government more democratic. Unlike what we were founded as, our government has reverted to a democracy - a centralized power controlled by majority opinion, not a Republic. Therin lies the answer to such questions as National Health Insurance.....and why it's bad - why we don't want or need a Socialist Democratic government, or what a few on this subject would have you believe is guaranteed by the constitution - which it is not. The ammendments have paved the way, but the original U.S. Constitution did not have to power to offer what some have misconstrued as "the truth" - that "welfare" means of the socialist type. Nope. We were not founded that way, and any bit of research by those proported by themselves to be more educated and more intelligent would clearly show that to the point where there is no argument. Once you are there, let us know, then we can start talking about the ammendments that got us to where we are today....

DiGriz
Sep 5, 2009 at 12:47 p.m.
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Sarah: I might think about giving YOU my address over here, but I am not a very trusting person - people have made me that way. I can think of one or two people on these comment boards who if given the chance would probably try to send me something on the order of Anthrax. Besides that, it's an OPSEC issue, and I don't know you.

SarahB1
Sep 5, 2009 at 10:46 a.m.
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DiGriz: Can you give us your address over there? My friend's young children want to send you a homemade present. Thanks.

SarahB1
Sep 5, 2009 at 10:44 a.m.
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angry_again: I support President Obama's health care plan. There you go, angry_again, now you know one of us on the other side of the aisle.

angry_again
Sep 5, 2009 at 10:37 a.m.
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Darwin, I don't know where you get off saying the majority still support him and govt. health care. Really? I dont know anybody who even considers Obama care a good idea. Not one.
We all know We cant afford it! Were gonna be a bankrupt nation!
If President Obama wants to make heath care "reform" as they like to keep putting it, How about some price freezes on procedures, and medications, and how about more monitoring of the bills sent to Medicare. They constantly get ripped off. Just like our 10,000$ for a toilet seat that costs 5$ at Menards.
Get Real.
Time and time again we have to keep reminding ourselves why our fore fathers created this nation the way they did. And why it has worked, and why ours has historicly been the best nation on the planet.
Untill LOTS of New non govt. jobs are created, and money fills the treasury back up, we cant afford trillions of more debt. The coffers are beyond empty friends.

mark_twain
Sep 5, 2009 at 10:26 a.m.
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But our Dear Leader knows what is best for us; so just shut up and get out of the way. Quit clinging to your religion and guns!

darwin1
Sep 5, 2009 at 10:05 a.m.
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hannah, while his polls are down, a majority still supports him and health care. You "hear" about his lies but provide none. This is dogma: you already believe something to be true and try to find evidence to support your belief. You don't care about the truth - just yourself.

hannah
Sep 5, 2009 at 9:44 a.m.
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darwin" Why do you disagree with the president? Do you have some facts? Do you have some details?"

I will just start with a big one that I know about. GOV HEALTH CARE - my vote NOT!!!!

approval ratings DOWN-FACT!
I didnt vote for him in the first place.
I HEAR about his LIES- pre election I will do this I will do that- WELL it isnt getting done.

WHEN will the troops come home? Isnt it SOON so he said. Doesnt seem theyre coming home soon.

I think that is enough to start with and I dont know enough about all of this to list more cause you know I am not educated remember.

DiGriz
Sep 5, 2009 at 7:12 a.m.
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"Say DiGriz, are you stating that you believe that your "Commander in Chief" is not "defending"or "upholding" the US constitution?"
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No, I think he doesn't care how much he usurps it's mandantes at all in the name of socialism.
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"Why do you stay where you are?"
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Because I don't think I can easily get a civilian flight from Bagram or Kabul back to the states?? To be honest, I can't wait until I'm done with this tour. Aside from the fringe benefit of getting some weapons training, I personally believe that our efforts here will come to nothing like what they say we are doing. We came here to kick keyster, did so, it's time to leave, not waste money in an effort to "civilize" them and make them into a democracy. It will never work here. Tribes.
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DiGriz
Sep 4, 2009 at 8:04 a.m. is troubling, in that this is a tax payer educated man. Me thinks you should be taken off your tin-foil hat till you get home. RAmen
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Tax payer eductated man? Who?? Me?? Public schools maybe, but they sucked, IMO. I had to go beyond PS in order to learn anything.
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I don't think our constitution is up for election, interpretation, or correction right now, right now. I'm not happy about getting taxes and health care rammed down our throats whether we like it or not. Same reason we broke from England. Taxation without representation was a big part of it. We are not represented now, either.

SarahB1
Sep 5, 2009 at 6:52 a.m.
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vatoloco --- typical right-wing fool.

vatoloco
Sep 5, 2009 at 3:54 a.m.
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Here we go again Darwin:

1. Your debate is to appeal to the emotions of uneducated and illogical persons-Put simply, you are just so much smarter than everyone else and you think a collective approach against an individual approach moved forward by a bunch of smart intellectual lawyers and professors is what's best for everyone else. As a consequence, you make yourself believe that you care much more than anyone else. Puke.
2. You can't think as an individual because you feel all solutions are collective. You blame everything on an individual. You hate individualism becasue you are obssessed with centralized control of all human activity.
3 Barbra Streisand and Alec Baldwin made threats to leave America for foreign countries should Bush win a second term. Well, they're still here! All talk - typical liberal idiots

vatoloco
Sep 5, 2009 at 1:12 a.m.
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Obama will never ascend to a "great president status" Never. His so called "off the charts" IQ will never serve him any good. Street smarts he has none. What he has is just an ability to talk and to raise money in a community. That's it. And America voted for this guy? Fools and blindmen they are.

mark_twain
Sep 4, 2009 at 8:36 p.m.
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No!!! I won't believe that the holy prophet and messiah is a mere mortal. How dare Republicans attack the Holy One and His vision for Amerika. Don't they believe in change?

justaguy
Sep 4, 2009 at 8:21 p.m.
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obama just told bigger and better lies when running for POTUS, that is why he is falling faster then most that have been in office .... all tells lies but he's got the gift for gab over any .... how do you like CHANGE now?

darwin1
Sep 4, 2009 at 7:33 p.m.
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hannah, your inarticulate disagreement with the president is a symptom of your ignorance and not the reason for it. Why do you disagree with the president? Do you have some facts? Do you have some details? If you think he is violating the Constitution, then what part of it?

darwin1
Sep 4, 2009 at 7:06 p.m.
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JohnDoe
Sep 4, 2009 at 6:18 p.m.
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It doesn't matter compared to the other presidents.

He's still in office...they're not.

hannah
Sep 4, 2009 at 5:55 p.m.
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I hear his approval rating is slipping QUITE fast compared to other presidents.

hannah
Sep 4, 2009 at 5:54 p.m.
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Actually this would be a fun study.

HOw educated are the ones who did vote for Obama compared to the ones that voted for Mccain.

hannah
Sep 4, 2009 at 5:52 p.m.
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Yes Darwin- 2nd grade education how did you know?

I didnt know I needed college to agree with Obama.
I didnt vote for him. I guess you think that makes me stupid. Are the other 50 % of the world stupid as well because we dont agree with him?

darwin1
Sep 4, 2009 at 5:04 p.m.
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Sprout doesn't like no education because he doesn't have an education - clearly.

hannah, what exactly did Obama say that lead you to believe he thinks he is immortal. I have yet to see any actual quotes from the delusional Republicans. Let me guess, you don't have an education either.

hannah
Sep 4, 2009 at 4:23 p.m.
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"obama is a mere mortal"really- did anybody tell him that??

sprout
Sep 4, 2009 at 3:54 p.m.
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darwin1, try this cliche on, "educated idiot", bet that fits you real good.

darwin1
Sep 4, 2009 at 3:19 p.m.
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Thank you sprout for making my point: more cliches. Do you actually know any facts or details? You probably don't even have a high school education but you know everything.

SarahB1
Sep 4, 2009 at 3:05 p.m.
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Oh, not this columnist again! I'm heading back to the comics page. It's both more enlightening and truthful.

andre_linoge
Sep 4, 2009 at 2:56 p.m.
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sprout, he won't go unless the government pays for it of course.

sprout
Sep 4, 2009 at 2:44 p.m.
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darwin1, I hear Venezuela is really a nice place this time of year, you should visit, I think you'd like it there.

chainsawchuckie
Sep 4, 2009 at 2:35 p.m.
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thank you sprout.....

chainsawchuckie
Sep 4, 2009 at 2:34 p.m.
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well darwin1.....I see you still are typing a lot of hot air.

sprout
Sep 4, 2009 at 2:32 p.m.
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POTUS = President of the United States.

darwin1
Sep 4, 2009 at 2:25 p.m.
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Mr Kraut is a cliche like most of the Conservative hypocrites here. And like most cliches he says a lot but provides few facts and makes absurd comparisons. By his own logic Obama must be doing great because his poll numbers are not the same as the idiot Bush's at the same point in his Presidency: he is a cause in search of a correlation. It is quite intellectually convenient to pull meaningless poll numbers out of the air in a democracy that votes. See you next election.

Also, if all of these Conservatives know so much about the Constitution then why aren't they Constitutional lawyers and judges? Oh yes, because those professions have standards and Republicans don't.

chainsawchuckie
Sep 4, 2009 at 2:21 p.m.
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ok I'm dumb........what is POTUS? and DiGriz I didn't know you were serving....THANK YOU!! and Pastafarian....Please tell your sons THANK YOU!! also. RAF you too!! All vets no matter where or how you served. another THANK YOU!! you all give so much and we will not forget those who gave all for us. God bless and god speed.

Pastafarian
Sep 4, 2009 at 11:05 a.m.
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Sorry that's ;they are "not"serving "with" like minded people.
I have reservations about our troops thinking POTUS is attempting an over-throw of our gov. I guess, to each his own. Stay safe DiGriz. We do need you back. RAmen

Pastafarian
Sep 4, 2009 at 10:33 a.m.
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Say RAF both my sons are in uniform. I was hoping they are serving like minded people.

chainsawchuckie
Sep 4, 2009 at 10:28 a.m.
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Wow thanx sprout.

sprout
Sep 4, 2009 at 10:08 a.m.
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Here is why we are bordering on being racist!

http://www.fredoneverything.net/Reparati...

RetiredAirForce
Sep 4, 2009 at 10:06 a.m.
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Pastafarian, why don't you put on your uniform and go to Afghanistan to relieve him? Either that or hide behind your keyboard and try to say sensible statements.

Pastafarian
Sep 4, 2009 at 9 a.m.
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Say DiGriz, are you stating that you believe that your "Commander in Chief" is not "defending"or "upholding" the US constitution?
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Why do you stay where you are?
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The statement of
DiGriz
Sep 4, 2009 at 8:04 a.m. is troubling, in that this is a tax payer educated man. Me thinks you should be taken off your tin-foil hat till you get home. RAmen

chainsawchuckie
Sep 4, 2009 at 8:31 a.m.
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confuzzeled yet?

**Yet faced with protests from a real grass-roots movement, his party and his supporters called it a mob—misinformed, misled, irrational, angry, unhinged, bordering on racist. All this while the administration was cutting backroom deals with every manner of special interest—from drug companies to auto unions to doctors—in which favors worth billions were quietly and opaquely exchanged.

Well I'm glad that I'm part of an angry mob. standing up for what is right. we all have questions that they don't want to answer....so that makes us an angry mob.

Misinformed? nope, just using common sense.

Misled? ....I don't think so unless I'm misled by him and his supporters of idiots. (I'm not)

Irrational? nope not when it comes down to believing in MY country.

Angry? Yep very much so.

Unhinged? nope all my screws are in place and the hinges are well oiled for protests in a peaceful way.

Bordering on racist? Why is this even an issue? I could care less if someone was purple green or what ever color. Why is it when things don't go their way they have to play the racist card? Well if HE says so then I guess I am one. OMG I have been branded!!!

What a joke this has all become but a lot of "us" are not laughing. Wake up America before it is too late.

DiGriz
Sep 4, 2009 at 8:04 a.m.
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"Obama undertook a summer campaign to enlighten the masses by addressing substantive objections to his reforms."
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Let's re-write this to make it more truthful, shall we?? Hence:
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"Obama stepped down from his throne to make an attempt to educate the stupid, sheep-like, apathetic masses by addressing those complaints with which he did not agree because they were coming from people inferior to him in every respect, and clearly more flub-dubbery, fear-mongering, and other brainwashing of these mentally-handicapped Neanderthals was required to make them see things his way in order to at least give the impression that his attempts to overthrow our form of government had at least the appearance of any support, whatsoever."

DiGriz
Sep 4, 2009 at 8:03 a.m.
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"Obama undertook a summer campaign to enlighten the masses by addressing substantive objections to his reforms."
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Let's re-write this to make it more truthful, shall we?? Hence:
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"Obama stepped down from his throne to make an attempt to educated the stupid, sheep-like, apathetic masses by addressing those complaints with which he did not agree because they were coming from people inferior to him in every respect, and clearly more flub-dubbery, fear-mongering, and other brainwashing of these mentally-handicapped Neanderthals was required to make them see things his way in order to at least give the impression that his attempts to overthrow our form of government had at least the appearance of any support, whatsoever."

tiredofhearingit
Sep 4, 2009 at 7:54 a.m.
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You go Chuck!!!!!
DiGriz is correct - wheather you are left or right there HAS to be Term Limits, and just for sake of it lets get "what's good for 1 is good for all" & require ALL of Washington is contributing to Social Security & have the same insurance available to them as we all have - no matter what "plan" it ends up being & lets throw in TORT reform while we're at it.

DiGriz
Sep 4, 2009 at 7:46 a.m.
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"Obama has become a politician like others"
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What do you mean "become," Mr. Krauthammer??? He always was a career politician in training, become fact.
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Term limits...

DiGriz
Sep 4, 2009 at 7:43 a.m.
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The conventional wisdom is that Obama made a tactical mistake by farming out his agenda to "Congress and allowing himself to be pulled left by the doctrinaire liberals of the Democratic congressional leadership. But the idea of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi pulling Obama left is quite ridiculous. Where do you think he came from, this friend of Chavista ex-terrorist William Ayers, of PLO apologist Rashid Khalidi, of racialist inciter Jeremiah Wright?"
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Duh............and you are just getting it now?!????

brwe
Sep 4, 2009 at 7:16 a.m.
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Are you referring to the SELF-proclaimed communist or the one who ONLY believes in forced abortions?

sprout
Sep 4, 2009 at 2:53 a.m.
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Great article. How about those Czars.

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