Can a Hooters girl coach Janesville high school poms?
JANESVILLE A local woman said she believes school officials won’t consider her for a job coaching a pompon squad unless she quits her job at Hooters.
Jennifer Roehl said she’s been a volunteer coach for the Parker High School JV pompon squad this summer and has volunteered for the program since she graduated from Parker in 2007.
She’ll quit her job at Hooters, she said, to give herself a chance at the vacant paid coaching job. On Tuesday, she told her manager of the decision, she said. She plans to meet with Athletic Director Rick Lehman today to find out if she will be allowed to give two weeks’ notice at the restaurant.
That will give her time to find another job, Roehl said.
“I don’t want to leave on bad terms when I don’t even want to leave at all,” she said.
Roehl said she has been a Hooters waitress for more than a year. She also tends bar at the Janesville restaurant.
Roehl said the school’s athletic director told her Friday she would not be hired as coach and that it was Principal Steve Schroeder’s decision.
Roehl met Monday with Schroeder and Lehman to find out why. She said the administrators would not say Hooters was the problem, but she was convinced from their comments that it was.
Roehl said she was told she had to change something in her background, experience or employment to be considered for the job.
Schroeder said that’s not quite right. He said he told her that administrators take those elements into account when evaluating a candidate. As of that moment, he said, he didn’t think she would be hired.
“I guess what she takes from that is up to her,” Schroeder said.
“… If she thinks there’s something she can do to improve and make herself a better candidate, then we obviously want her to do it as quickly as possible.”
Schroeder said he learned of Roehl’s job at Hooters when he read it on her application.
The coaching job paid about $1,900 last year, Schroeder said.
Roehl said she has coached the JV girls through the summer. She said Monday she has bonded with the girls, and coaching them is more important than her job, so she planned to give notice to Hooters and seek employment elsewhere.
“We’ve really worked hard for this. They worked really hard, and as a coach, I owe it to them,” Roehl said.
Schroeder would not say whether working at Hooters would raise a red flag on a coaching-job application.
“A lot of people are going to have a lot of different feelings about that. The best I can tell you is we take as much as we can into consideration when we recommend someone for a job when they’re going to work with young people,” Schroeder said.
Steve Sperry, the school district’s director of human resources, was asked hypothetically if bartending might weigh against a coaching candidate. Sperry said that is a personnel question, so he can’t comment.
Asked if being a stripper could hurt a candidate’s chances, Sperry said: “I think what you’re looking at are standards. I guess we would be responsible to answer to ourselves as role models, but we’d also have to answer to the public, and I guess that’s about as far as I could share.”
Asked specifically about Hooters, Sperry again declined to comment.
Asked what the district’s standards are, Sperry referred to the district’s new “Standards of Professional Behavior.”
The standards are contained in a lengthy document. Sperry would not say what part of the standards applies in this case.
The standards say, in part, that employees should serve as positive role models, demonstrate concern for students’ moral development and promote a positive image of the schools.
Roehl said she doesn’t see a problem with Hooters, and administrators told her that no parent has complained.
“I’m not stripping or anything,” Roehl said. “Some people might compare it to that, but it’s not even close. I mean, families come in there.”
The Hooters waitress uniform includes tight, low-neck tank tops and short shorts over panty hose. The outfits are not much different than what some women wear on a hot summer day, but Hooters acknowledges on its Web site that “female sex appeal” is a part of its restaurants’ atmosphere.
“The girls (on the poms squad) have come in with their parents. None of the parents have a problem with it. Some teachers come in there,” Roehl said.
Roehl said team members held signs at last Friday’s football game saying, “Don’t take away our coach.” She said she is proud of them for fighting for what they believe in.
Schroeder said Tuesday he still was evaluating Roehl’s application and that there was one other applicant.
Roehl on Tuesday said JV poms is “paused” until she or another person is chosen to coach the squad.


Sep 29, 2009 at 1:07 p.m.
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I thought when I first read this story.. its one of the dumbest reasons I've ever heard of for not hiring someone "because she works at Hooters!" I've heard of anal retentive, & over board, but I thought this took the cake.. then I read in the gazette this morning, the School board is at it again! AND I wouldn't have heard anything about it, if i didn't read the gazette!.. NOW they want to make children learn ANOTHER language (i.e. MANDATORY). Chinese is the next target language. ANYONE else see a pattern yet? 1st Spanish, now Chinese, whats next? BYW..google "Codex Alimentarius Commission" As of December, they'll be our food police. Socialism never died. It laid low, & now is in the White House, & our School Board. Our tax dollars hard at work turning America into Cold War Russia. When.. Oh when.. will the blind & deaf open their eyes & ears?
Sep 24, 2009 at 7:20 p.m.
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I'm giving you an update!!! Jenni was hired again as the JV Parker Poms coach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When i found out everyone on my squad freaked out and we were all crying from happiness!!!! I LUV U JENNI!!!! im SOOOOOOOOOOO excited 2 have u back!!!!! =D
Sep 12, 2009 at 10:10 a.m.
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I guess all the girls would be very well trained as a "waitress" at hooters if anything by the time they graduate! Honestly I agree with those who say that the routines and stuff are very sexual in nature and I just cringe when I see them. but what do you expect when their mentors are some of the professional cheerleaders and hooters?
Sep 9, 2009 at 1:46 p.m.
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head on over to the other pom thread....I think most will let go of their hostility for the adminstration. Afterall, a picture is worth a 1000 words. (I am NOT judgin Jenni or saying anything bad about her as a person. However, my dear, RUN. It is not worth the stress, headache and drama. The parents may support her now but that will not last forever. There is a reason this program has had 10+ coaches in as many years. Parents are "too" supportive and administration is all too eager to enable them to be. RUN JENNI RUN!--for extra flare, add in a Forrest Gump accent).
Sep 9, 2009 at 5:07 a.m.
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And what exactly is the difference between cheerleaders, pom-pom girls and Hooters employees?
And I can see by the school districts fumbling about with this matter and backtracking that they are either incompetent or liars, or both.
Sep 8, 2009 at 11:41 a.m.
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A pom pom uniform doesn't cover much more than a Hooters uniform. I hope this girl gets her coaching job and wish her a lot of luck, after dealing with Parker High School for a few years I seem to think most of the staff there floats around in a plastic bubble, for they seem to high and mighty for most of us.
Sep 7, 2009 at 3:20 p.m.
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thanks, gfan. this issue really does come down to the lack of respect for women. and we are talking about a restaurant, NOT a strip club. we're back to the double standard being alive and well. I'm sure there are some teachers and administrators that go there to eat. I bet they enjoy good service from friendly wait staff.
Sep 7, 2009 at 9:39 a.m.
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Huh???
Sep 7, 2009 at 9:38 a.m.
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foolonthehill, at first I thought you owed me an apology, but instead you owe apologies to the important women in your life.
Sep 7, 2009 at 9:32 a.m.
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I have to agree with Gazettefan. I have had a variety of personal relationships with strippers but have never watched one of them work.
Sep 7, 2009 at 7:29 a.m.
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I, too, am vexed as to how DiGriz can describe ms_sassy as living outside the norm just because she hasn't been to a male strip club. I've never been to any kind of a strip club and have managed to see naked women on a regular basis. Going to a strip club would be like going to a restaurant just to stare at the food!!! Who does that?!!!
DiGriz, you owe ms_sassy an apology.
Sep 6, 2009 at 8:51 p.m.
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well someone said that some girl did before. but it doesnt matter what anyone says the school board doesnt care about anything anyone says but themselves. obviously we cant do anything its just stupid for people on her to judge jenni when they dont even know her.
Sep 6, 2009 at 5:26 p.m.
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interesting. I, according to DiGriz, can't comment on my opinions of why I live outside the "norm". ("Can anyone else tell me what the reason or reasons might be that sassy lives outside the norm? I'd like to hear it from someone else") Yet others can tell me why I live outside the norm. I think that is Janesville Judging at its finest. You must be from Janesville.
I live outside of what this society considers "norm", because I don't agree with what people find acceptable! Just because I don't agree with it, doesn't mean I am organizing boycotts! I am of the "live and let live" just don't try to pull a fast one over on me sort. I don't agree with objectifying women, I don't think it's ok to spend money on a house that I can't afford so I will be accepted by my co-workers or to keep up with the Joneses and then file bancruptcy. This is what is acceptable in our society now. Tell me I'm wrong now, please, if you can, and please explain (or diagnose?) because DiGriz, you appear to have so much knowledge about what is wrong with me and my life. Have you taken an inventory of what may be wrong in your life?
Sep 6, 2009 at 5:20 p.m.
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Hmmmm. Maybe they should consider hiring a stripper? I don't think the issue is about the individual on a "personal" level. She is probably a really nice individual, however I think the issue has to do with an individuals "persona" and "image" and how it is "portrayed". You see this all the time i.e. related to teens and how they are easily influenced by teen celebrities such as Britney Spears, Miley Cyrus/Hannah Montana to act, dress, or behave in a manner that might not be accepted or "condoned" by their parents or the general public. So, can a hooter girl be a pon pon coach? Yes, I would think anyone could be anything they wanted to be according to the powers that be that are making those decisions
Sep 6, 2009 at 2:01 p.m.
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At this point the school will not be allowed to hire anyone for any position due to damage to their reputation. What a shame.
Sep 5, 2009 at 8:42 p.m.
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hallejuah...hallejuah...hallejuah hallejuah....halleeejuuuuah.....
Sep 5, 2009 at 8:08 p.m.
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Why is this young lady being judged,? because she worked at "Hooters" .. because of the name? when its a family business, not like jenny strips or is nude in any way!
Pom pon are kids? there young adults and should be able to share there opinions! thats part of the problem,no ones listening to the students, that are or have been coached by jenny- from what iv'e read, jenny's done a fine job with the pom pon team.
Tell me...just how well do you check out those that come in an apply for a teachers positions? and turn out to be molesters!- you people don't don't seem to run them over the coals-like you have jenny-think about it....i vote for jenny.
jenny, comes from a fine family with outstanding morales & values, I tend to take pride in knowing theres still young people, out there that are hard working,an devoted to what they do....jennys a hard working, lady. those of you that are judging jenny...are so wrong....lmao...for working at "hooters".....some of you better look in the mirror.
Sep 5, 2009 at 7:51 p.m.
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Thank you Gazzette Extra, apparently I was not the only one fed up with Hankhill!
Sep 5, 2009 at 7:46 p.m.
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I am over 40 and I go to the grocery store and get hit on, it is what men do. Sounds to me like the only ones being exploited really are the men. If the girls are hired based upon their bodies and beauty do you really believe they are waiting for some guy to come into Hooters to sweep them off their feet? Give me a break, I can't even entertain your lack of intelligence anymore. I could have a more intellectual and challenging conversation with my 12 year old.
Sep 5, 2009 at 7:31 p.m.
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Did you really infer you could come to Hooters for an easy night out? You are exactly the type of male that comes into Hooters with some misconception of what goes on and is tossed right out on his ass. For a brief moment I thought you might just be a church going individual who had strong beliefs against that were comfortable with their sexuality but you have made it quite clear you are just an a__hole. A man that feels he can degrade and objectify women in order to feel superior. Come on in Hank and lets see how easy your night out will be.
Sep 5, 2009 at 6:34 p.m.
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Directly from www.hooters.com
The chain acknowledges that many consider "Hooters" a slang term for a portion of the female anatomy. Hooters does have an owl inside its logo and uses an owl theme sufficiently to allow debate to occur over the meaning's intent. The chain enjoys and benefits from this debate. In the end, we hope Hooters means a great place to eat.
Hooters characterizes itself as a neighborhood place, not a typical family restaurant. Sixty-eight percent of customers are male, most between the ages of 25-54. Hooters does not market itself to families, but they do patronize the restaurants. Ten percent of the parties we serve have children in them. Hooters is in the hospitality business and provides the best possible service to anyone coming through the door. For this reason, the chain offers a children's menu.
Sep 5, 2009 at 5:43 p.m.
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Hank why don't you stop into Hooters right now and see if each girls working has large breasts. OMG I guess they are going to have to change the name.
Sep 5, 2009 at 5:37 p.m.
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NewEagle: where do you get 3-400 honest people in the pool? My guess would be the MOST applicants PHS has EVER had for a poms vacancy would top out at 10. And that's being generous.
Sep 5, 2009 at 5:20 p.m.
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Dancedance: there is nothing wrong with anyone working at Hooters. That is the point. Like others have said this is about MORE than where she waitresses.
Sep 5, 2009 at 5:01 p.m.
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Hold on with the comments.. over kill on this subject.
First off ok, there are many applicants for the position.
She is not stupid ok?? She did this on purpose to draw attention to herself and use the fact she was willing to quit her job at Hooters in order to try to use it to get hired.
Please see through this school officials, there must be someone qualified to be hired without the grand show of her attempt to get hired by quitting her job she must herself believe would be a hindrance to her new job.
Get real people, out of three or four hundred qualified honest people???
We all ought to see she is playing the system to get press and to get hired no matter what,,, over kill on the comments on this one.
Sep 5, 2009 at 2:52 p.m.
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Stripping can hardly be compared to a job at Hooters, unbelievable. You also need to be 18 years old to obtain a job at Hooters which eliminates the majority of HS candidates.
Sep 5, 2009 at 2:50 p.m.
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hankhill said: "...JSD has done well in handeling this situation. No one even knows the real reason for a fact, that this young lady was turned down for the position. Maybe they only re-posted the position for her benefit."
Either the JSD made a mistake by not providing a complete application packet (two months after she interveiwed with the Athletc Director?),
http://www.gazettextra.com/news/2009/sep...
or, according to you, possibly reposted the job specifically for Roehl to reapply, which means the other canididate has been treated unfairly. Either way, the JSD screwed up.
Sep 5, 2009 at 1:55 p.m.
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and by the way, none of us pom girls work at hooters. maybe in the past one did but not one since Jenni has been working, so there isn't a problem and if one of the pom girls or any girl at Parker wanted to work there why couldn't they when, its a free country!
Sep 5, 2009 at 1:52 p.m.
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i also believe if children can go there it is not anything bad. so whats the issue? there shouldn't be one !
Sep 5, 2009 at 1:51 p.m.
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Still say this isn't only about Hooters. Can't be. I know for a FACT there have been Parker pom girls working at Hooters. One even skipped school so she could go have lunch the day they opened and got offered a job. It's just tradition.
And, for cry eye, there ARE unattractive small busted waitresses at Hooters. Sure there are "hotties" on the website but I'm yet to see a Hooters girl who looks like that!
Sep 5, 2009 at 1:22 p.m.
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hankhill, if you're the Henry Hill from Goodfellas, you sure have changed!
Sep 5, 2009 at 12:47 p.m.
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Since you asked, DiGriz, no I have NEVER seen a male stripper. My personal opinion is that the male body is terribly ugly unless I have an emotional connection to him. I certainly wouldn't spend money to see half naked men (who in many cases are gay anyway). male strippers are not the point of this discussion, although you want it to be a women's issue instead of what it truly is: men's inability to control what part of a woman's body a man is drawn to and can't help staring at and the fact that women are smart enough to figure that out. dallas cowboys cheerleaders? hooters girls?
Sep 5, 2009 at 12:32 p.m.
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Another unintelligent comment, OMG. I certainly hope none of you are in a leadership position because God help the people looking up to you for guidance and wisdom. No legal issue can arise based upon hiring a Hooters Girl. Like I said please do a little research before you spew your ignorance.
Sep 5, 2009 at 12:27 p.m.
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Hank I am wide awake and am following this discussion because I have some stake in it. Why exactly are you so invested, nothing better to do? Always wanted to date a Hooters Girl or the Captain of the Pom Pon suad and it left you angry? The one intelligent comment you did make although is that there was no discrimination here it is a clearly defined allegation. Hooters fought that battle previously and maybe you should do you research and found out how and why they are still in business for over 26 years. Jenni has been doing the job for over 2 years and has clearly demonstrated her ability to perform in the function and should be hired based upon that. That is the issue here. Self righteous individuals imposing their own personal beliefs in a forum that is no theirs to promote them, a public office, is in fact the issue here. Don't patronize Hooters if you don't agree with the concept, that is perfectly fine, but what has happened here goes beyond that. So maybe you need to wake up Hank and be sure you know what point you are defending with an intelligent argument.
Sep 5, 2009 at 12:15 p.m.
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hey I love Bill Semmens...he was a great coach!
Sep 5, 2009 at 11:47 a.m.
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I'm bettin she gets a pay stub from Hooters and her Bartending Job with Fica, SS, State and Federal Taxes Taken out just like The Principal Does. She has 2 Jobs..and looking to to do another..seems like a great work ethic form a young Adult especially in todays economy...maybe the girls she coaches would learn that from Jenn....She's got my Support ! Janesville always has been a lil uptight.
Sep 5, 2009 at 11:15 a.m.
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no, hank, I've NEVER seen an ugly waitress at Hooters. I've never been there. I choose not to spend money at their business because I would feel guilty for perpetuating the problem that society has with this obsession with women. But it's not illegal to go there and what the waitresses do is not illegal. I don't watch Family Guy for the same reasons. It's perpetuating the problem. But I can't force someone else to "see it my way". So I make choices for what I want in my life and how I percieve the world.
BTW: Chichi's means "hooters" too. Is (was) there a ban on hiring women for the school district who worked at Chichi's (when it was open)? and if there is a "ban" then say it. Don't hide behind some cliche or mince words. Tell her what her life needs for improvement to be considered. After all, if she weren't able to lift 50 lbs repetitively, she wouldn't qualify for certain jobs. If she can't work as the coach because she works at hooter's they need to come out and say it. As an employer, they reserve the right to make whatever stipulations they want (except for the protected classes), but they need to publish them and use them for every hiring decision from here on out. I just think it's ridiculous that the school district's moral fabric has so many holes in it.
Sep 5, 2009 at 7:20 a.m.
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You're a handful, DiGriz.
Sep 5, 2009 at 3:54 a.m.
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did anyone else go to the parker jr varsity game friday night and see what an excellent job the squad did during half time and before the varsity game? jenny should be proud of the routines and dances she has had a chance to teach them. i hope she will be able to continue to coach them. AGAIN GIRLS U WERE EXCELLENT!
Sep 5, 2009 at 2:28 a.m.
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The last 2 comments were two of the more intelligently thought out points I have read throughout this discussion. Unfortunately what is fair does not always prevail and if we could just allow people to exercise their civil liberties whether we agree with them or not and try our best to put others first we may find that we come out on top :)
Sep 5, 2009 at 2:07 a.m.
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mespl, I haven't read all of the comments, but you have hit the nail on the head. I live in Janesville...all of the "isms" that one (individual, family, community, etc) can exhibit begin to rear their ugly heads anytime things in this city don't fit the "norm". But we have had "civil liberties" and "political correctness" shoved down our throats and it has made it impossible to describe the "norm" in 2009. It's unfortunate, because our society is an unintentional consequence of our Bill of Rights. Who gets to decide what's "normal?" We, in all of our liberties, made ourselves prisoners of society. Our hands are tied in every situation. OJ "if he did it" gets off (criminally) on a technicality, a woman spills hot coffee and wins a million dollars. Where have our sense of decency and morals and values as a society gone? It's a free-for-all and narcistic and definitely not by the people for the people. We can kid ourselves all we want, but we sure wouldn't be in these situations if we all were truly concerned about other people! And less concerned about spreading gossip about their neighbors. By judging what is "normal" This is one of those things like letting your grass grow too long and piercings and tatoos. What difference does it make that this person works hard for her income and we are badgering her (via school dist) for it. Maybe you don't like that she works at Hooter's, but can anyone from the Human Resources in the School District put in to words what is and is not acceptable. They might want to include consumers of alcohol, cigarette smokers, persons who bartend at Janesville bars because these are al legal activities and legal occupations. I wonder why Janesville is so "ism-y"...our children learn it at school, apparently.
Sep 5, 2009 at 12:39 a.m.
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Don't place blame on anyone other than the ones that need to be held accountable, the closed minded administrators. Are you familiar with the phrase "freedom of speech"?
Sep 5, 2009 at 12:20 a.m.
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SPIFF....if this is true.. then tell the city on this blog. If you kids did this, then you owe her a HUGE...IM SORRY FOR RECKING YOUR CHANCES TO COACH US.
Sep 4, 2009 at 10:45 p.m.
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Wow I took a few hours off and look at you people go. Hank and Katy you two are especially bothersome. First off cheerleading and poms is in fact a sport and is recognized nationally through competitions. It is dance and dance is one of the most physically demanding activities there is. Even professional athletes enroll in it to gain stamina and poise. And to repond to your question Hank no I would not be happy if my daughter pursued a career with Hooters over pursuing her college education. I would not be happy if she pursued any job without educating herself in the process. Jenni and my daughter both work at Hooters and are in fact attending college. For the record you ignoramous you do not get hired at Hooters based upon the size of your breasts, it is based upon customer service skills and personality obviously something you would not recognize. My final comment ot you is the kids that do feel comfortable coming to Jenni with issues typically have small minded judgemental parents like yourself that they do not feel they can approach. And by the way self repect and work ethic are two of the foremost qualities that the ladies of Hooters are held accountable to!
Sep 4, 2009 at 10:30 p.m.
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JohnDoe: I was not calling poms participants fat lazy girls, which you would have figured out if you had read the comment. A previous comment by Badgerlvr suggested my daughters didn't try out for poms because they were not up to the physical demands of the "sport." The "not up to the physical demands" part of that remark is his or her code for fat, lazy girls.
Donkeykong: Title IX regulations also apply to high school sports and the co-curricular contracts that apply.
Sep 4, 2009 at 10:23 p.m.
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hey sluggo..fyi..jenni didn't go to the gazette..the girls she coaches did!!
Sep 4, 2009 at 10:10 p.m.
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This is ridiculous. Mr. Schroeder and Mr. Sperry better eat crow and change their decision before there is a lawsuit. Not only from Jenn, but from Hooters, too!
Sep 4, 2009 at 8:41 p.m.
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Hank, no one has answered your question because it is irrelevant to the actions of this young woman. The fact is that this woman holds down two part time jobs (one of which is at Hooters) while volunteering her time to the local high school and attending college making honors. She is not working at Hooters instead of going to college. So the answer to your question is that the answer doesn’t matter because it is not relate to what this girl is doing.
Sep 4, 2009 at 8:19 p.m.
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So, are we going to penalize male coaches and teachers for patronizing Hooters? Or is it just females that carry the burden of upholding social values and being positive role models? Men can go freely to these places, many parents permit their boys to wear Hooters shirts to school flaunting them in front of high school girls, and yet the woman who works there is somehow unacceptable? Hooters wouldn't be in business in this community if the males in Janesville did not patronize that "restaurant" so please stop being hypocrites. Why do you see the speck that is in your sister’s eye, but do not notice the Hooters that are in your own eye?
Sep 4, 2009 at 8:15 p.m.
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Its all about the greedy teachers. They don't want this position to be filled so they can line their pockets with the money.
Sep 4, 2009 at 6:36 p.m.
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Good lord, Hooters sells food and beer. They dont strip or sell drugs for heavens sake. The coaching job pays 1900...woooo...this girl is a great role model in that she practically volunteers to coach and works for a living instead of welfare.
Sep 4, 2009 at 6:23 p.m.
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"Normally I do not stand behind 'dumb gov't political decisions', but in this case,"
That says it all hank.
Sep 4, 2009 at 5:59 p.m.
Sep 4, 2009 at 5:22 p.m.
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I have worked three jobs that were dangerous. How is that better than what she is doing? I almost died on four separate occasions. Don't we all pimp ourselves out in some way? We sell our time, our minds or our bodies. Factory workers sell their joints and muscles repeating the same motion every day. Coal miners sell their lungs. Police officers, firemen and soldiers sell their lives for an hourly wage or salary. Why does the school think it can dictate a part of her life that is perfectly legal and law abiding? This is teaching children about liberty and freedom?
I always find the sex issue interesting. How do people think they got here. Your parents were doing it, usually drunk and intoxicated with lust.
If eyes were meant for seeing, then beauty is its own excuse for being.
Sep 4, 2009 at 5:10 p.m.
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Well I, for one, can't wait to see what happens next....http://gazettextra.com/news/2009/sep/04/janesville-parker-poms-coaching-post-reposted
You know, "me being me and all."
Sep 4, 2009 at 3:58 p.m.
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Hannah, you are ridiculous. I have been ignoring all of your irrelevant, rude, off topic comments and you attack me for nothing. Then when I try to make a joke you tell me I am not being nice. Have a nice life, maybe you will learn how to spell in your next one. I am done.
Sep 4, 2009 at 3:48 p.m.
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Iam the parent of one of the pom girls and I do not have a problem with her coaching. The girls really like her. They worked hard all summer to be a team. Now look at the team. Jenni is a good coach and great person. Thank god she had a job for the last year, the school district wasn,t paying her. She spent her summer at camp for 4 days, they never thought to check her role model statis then.
Sep 4, 2009 at 3:33 p.m.
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Hannah, stop stalking me.......
Sep 4, 2009 at 3:23 p.m.
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I thought Hooters was because of the Owl on their logo...HEY, wait a minute.....! Griz's comments that were removed are making ALOT more sense now.
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Did I really just see "drool" spelled as "druel"? That is just sad.
Sep 4, 2009 at 2:57 p.m.
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Hank, what about the painted on jeans that the girls wear at Texas Roadhouse? Not much different as I see it.
Sep 4, 2009 at 2:54 p.m.
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Why don’t you ask her about those other jobs that I listed and see what else she is “more capable” to do. By the way the young woman in question has only worked there for about a year according to the article which means that during this horrible recession in this community she actually found a job, which is a good thing period. Also have you or your daughter ever even been to Hooters, since you are making claims about it, maybe step inside the door order a wing and talk with the waitresses that you are judging. Do they use sex appeal to promote a product? No more than any other industry.
Sep 4, 2009 at 2:42 p.m.
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weezer? Another Rush fan who has gone over the falls! "Liberals"???
Sep 4, 2009 at 2:36 p.m.
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I never knew that Hooters sold sex; I mean I have never seen it on the menu there maybe next time I will have to ask the waitress. By the way, why don’t you ask your teenage daughter if she would want to work for the city picking up garbage, or for the school district mopping floors, or for the county picking up road kill. I am willing to bet that her response will be similar to “ew, why would I want to do that”, just because your daughter feels that she is too good for that job does not mean that that person is a bad influence on young women.
Sep 4, 2009 at 2:18 p.m.
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i guess the janesville school district is really dumb. the job must not be that important if they wont let her have the job just because she works at hooters. man i hate liberals
Sep 4, 2009 at 1:46 p.m.
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As for POMs and Cheerleading being a sport, I respectfully disagree. For the purposes of Title IX, schools choose to call these "sports" so they don't get sued because they choose not to support the more established, more expensive, front line sports. It's all about equity, which schools attempt to meet with numbers but not in spirit in sports. Coaching contracts for girls sports will never reach parity with the boys sports. This is due to the reimbursement being based on student contact hours and danger involved in sport. I separate the contracts into "gold standard" and "second class" reimbursement. If you have 3 "gold standard" sports for the boys and only 1 for the girls, parity will never be reached.
I don't agree with the designation of these activities as sports. There are no objective criteria by which they can compete. School offer them as a cheap alternative to offering field hockey, soccer, golf or other female sport to offset football and wrestling.
Sep 4, 2009 at 1:34 p.m.
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Katy I know for a fact in the Janesville school district if you got an F the kids are not allowed to play sports until that F is brought up, so I would say Evansville doesn't have real high standards.
Sep 4, 2009 at 1:29 p.m.
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I have been reading some posts here and I just have to say that I find it amazing that this young woman was good enough to coach the girls for free as a volunteer all summer and half of last school year, however when it comes time to pay her 1900 dollars then the school board suddenly has someone more qualified and it is merely a coincidence that that is the same time that they learn about her job that she dose to pay the bills. I have a very hard time believing that suddenly once they learn she works at Hooters then someone better comes up for the job, after she has put time into turning this group of girls into a team that can trust one another. I think that her telling the girls why she can’t be their coach is respecting them as young women and being honest with them that the school said she “had to change something in her background, experience or employment to be considered for the job” and the only thing she could think would be an issue would be her waitressing job. I have not seen anything in these posts that state that this group of girls specifically is one of the groups that is doing anything provocative during their routines, so I am not buying an argument that says that they need a different coach to steer them away from that type of action. The fact is that it is a public school and the public should be given information as to why one person was more qualified for a job than another person that was hired by the school. And if the person who is hired for the job is in fact less qualified then an argument could be made in court for a discrimination case, and I think that the school officials are worried they might be skating close to that line if not over it and that is why they are reluctant to say anything besides “Standards of Professional Behavior”. It just amazes me that as long as she was volunteering her time they didn’t care if she followed the standard of “serve as positive role models, demonstrate concern for students’ moral development and promote a positive image of the schools”. So as long as you are working for free for the school then you can be any type of influence.
Sep 4, 2009 at 1:21 p.m.
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"The Hooters waitress uniform includes tight, low-neck tank tops and short shorts over panty hose."
So how is that different than the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleader uniforms or ENERGEE! DANCE TEAM for the Milwaukee Bucks? This young lady has work ethics and should be rewarded for it, not pentalized.
"Management is doing things right; leadership is doing the right things." Peter F. Drucker
Perhaps it time we look at the leadership at the school because in this instance, they are not doing the right thing.
Sep 4, 2009 at 12:53 p.m.
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I do believe that the principal and athletic director perhaps didn't handle the situation well but we do not know the reasons they chose not to hire her. Anyone that works with employment knows you have to be so very careful with wording. I believe that the situation is way out of control and she should not be hired now anyway. Jenni went too far by going to the newspaper and not the school board first. I also think that all the lawsuit threats or encouragement are just another sick indication of "if you lose, sue someone". I have raised responsible adults and they have learned you don't always get the job you want. As a parent I would not have wanted a coach of any kind to have so much influence over my child. I want them to be responsible, teach fair play, hard work, etc but do not want them to be a best friend to my child. They are a leader, role model not someone to tell your most secrets to. It is also unfair to the other candidate. Just because the girls "love" Jenni doesn't mean the other one isn't qualified also. Many commented they couldn't like another coach. It is time for the parents to tell the kids they may have to accept a new coach instead of sounding like it is the end of a pom program. I don't believe Hooters is the only issue. Any honest job should be considered acceptable. I believe from some of the posts that perhaps the squad is performing a little too sexually......which would not have anything to do with her job so much as her style of coaching. Perhaps the other candidate will go back to a cleaner, less sexy look. Seems to me a bad situation right now will only be worse if a bunch of girls and their parents can decide who will be their coach. There are hiring practices and rules for a reason.
Sep 4, 2009 at 12:51 p.m.
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Thank you for proving one of my points for me, hannah.
Sep 4, 2009 at 12:22 p.m.
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I wouldn't expect it to make any sense to you. It's OK continue to attack me and not my position. I understand, it's hard to win an argument when all you have to draw from is popular opinion.
Zoom, I happen to agree that being employed by Hooters should not necessarily be the sole basis for disqualifying someone from working with youth. However, combine that with the fact that this GIRL has only recently graduated from the same high school and maybe I can see why the district would not feel comfortable giving her that position. She is still naive and so are the kids that she works with as evidenced by the statements they have been posting here.
I am not telling ANYONE they are wrong for supporting a woman's right to support herself however she sees fit. Nor, am I saying that we should all fear sexuality and condemn those who are comfortable with there own. Sexuality has NO place in our schools and citing examples where it already exists does nothing to change that fact. I for one will not be so blinded by popular sentiment to really believe that Jenni and these girls are the saints they are trying to paint themselves to be. This to me is another example of a generation who feel they are entitled to whatever they desire and there are no consequences to the choices they make in life.
My point in offering the argument that if you are unhappy with the schools standards was only made in an effort to try and oppose the view that there is some kind of Evangelical Conspiricay taking place and if anyone REALLY wants to effect change there ARE proper avenues for doing such a thing.
BTW if any one cares it appears this story made it to the Local news as well.
http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/5703...
Sep 4, 2009 at 11:18 a.m.
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Sorry about that, I dont like the spelling police either because I think they distract from the issues at hand. However, the grammar and spelling skills of these girls (and I should have directed my comment to all the illiterate pom girls) are pathetic. No one will take them seriously.
P.S. I support Jenni. If she does get the job, I hope she takes time to impress the importance of education on these girls, she obviously has their attention. A really good coach/role model can make all the difference in a kids life...anyone ever notice the basketball girls (from both schools) are always top of their class??
Sep 4, 2009 at 11:18 a.m.
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sorry, resources...
Sep 4, 2009 at 11:13 a.m.
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rep, what's your point? How will the administration know how people feel about a specific issue at the ballot box? Are you suggesting someone should vote against the school board because of this one issue? We don't get to vote for the school principle or director of human recources.
The issue at hand is how the administration has interpreted the "standards", and how they will interpret them in the future. The appropriateness of Roehl's behavior after being given the bad news is moot. While it may effect her chances of future employment with the district, that really has nothing to do with the original decision not to hire her.
Sep 4, 2009 at 11:06 a.m.
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And it's a good thing your not usually the spelling police I see...
Sep 4, 2009 at 11 a.m.
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dancedance: Take an english class or no one on the school board (or anywhere else for that matter) will take you seriously. Sorry, its a fact of life.
Sep 4, 2009 at 10:40 a.m.
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So I have really tried to keep up with all of the comments, and I am not sure that her job at Hooters is the entire issue here. I really think the fact that she is only two years removed from Parker High School as a student may be a factor in her not being hired as a paid position. Volunteering is a great way to gain experience, but she probably went to school with some of the girls on the squad. This could be an issue for the administration. If I am wrong, then she should not be ruled out because of Hooters.
Sep 4, 2009 at 10:11 a.m.
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to/too/two, affect/effect, could have or could've rather than could of. Perhaps we should skip outside activities completely and hire better quality English teachers
Sep 4, 2009 at 10:08 a.m.
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Thank you CallitasIseeit, that is a good point. I am just in such shock over the fact that there are parents who let there little girls dress like that and over the continued sexualizing of young girls.
Hooters contributes to that mindset and I don't care how good the wings taste.
Sep 4, 2009 at 10:06 a.m.
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Again, it's spelled s-a-r-c-a-s-m,spark. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm.
Zoom, that is not the entire debate. I believe someone else already pointed out the fact that, if you are unhappy with how they may be written, you as a voting citizen have the power to attempt to change what you view as unfair. No matter how you FEEL about the correctness of the administartions position that is what they got hired to do.
And before you come back with the same lame argument others have expressed, about how the admins thought it was OK to let her volunteer but now that she wants a paid position they suddenly had a problem with her current employer, go back and read the article.
"Schroeder said he learned of Roehl’s job at Hooters when he read it on her application."
Funny how all these people seem to want to hop on a bandwagon......
Sep 4, 2009 at 10:02 a.m.
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Maxdetail-I think the comparison to "7Th grade girls" has to do with the schools policy on hiring vs. their policy on student dress codes. If they are truly serious about stopping a Hooters waitress from being a coach then they need to implement a new dress code and enforce it. How can they say she is unfit because of what she wears at work when Parker and Craig's hallways are full young ladies with shorter shorts and lower tops than those at Hooters?
Sep 4, 2009 at 9:53 a.m.
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Joan, thank you so much for being one of the last reasonable voices left in Janesville. I appreciate your steadfast position and humor.
Of course it matters where a person works and we are simply trying to find where the line is right now between good and bad examples. I'm sure this young lady is a fine young lady and a good example, (though I wouldn't let my daughter work in a T & A joint) but the school board must take every parent into consideration.
Hooters waitresses should be fine because 7th graders dress provocatively????? Can you not hear how backwards that sounds??? Decency continues to be defined downward because nobody seems to be steering.
Thanks again Joan.
Sep 4, 2009 at 9:46 a.m.
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I say let the girl coach. It seems the school should be more concerned about the lack of grammar these young girls are displaying than who is their coach. Girls, may be you can use that as your defense. Good luck.
Sep 4, 2009 at 9:43 a.m.
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"Whether you agree with those standards or not is an entirely different debate."
That's the entire debate! The "standards" are certainly vague, and open for interpretation. It seems that Schroeder and Perry are concerned with how the DISTRICT will be viewed, yet are satisfied with her interaction with the students, considering she has been a volunteer up to this point without issue. Their application of the "standards" appears to be uneven at best, and incompetent at worse. Why would they wait until the day of the teams first performance to tell her she could no longer be the coach?
Sep 4, 2009 at 9:36 a.m.
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"You just go back to class sweety, let the adults talk. "Someday when your all growed up you might see it differently."
representinbtownyo - If you want the adults to talk, you should try and learn how to spell like one.
Sep 4, 2009 at 9:19 a.m.
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Yeah, thats right, WE'RE the ones who've displayed ridiculous views(thats s-a-r-c-a-s-m, in case you need it spelled out for you.)
You just go back to class sweety, let the adults talk. Someday when your all growed up you might see it differently. I won't hold my breath though.
Sep 4, 2009 at 9:03 a.m.
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212 comments on something so harmless and so stupid. Unbelievable. Truly amazes me.
Sep 4, 2009 at 8:28 a.m.
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Katy, Hank, you two are on the money with your most recent posts. Prude is not the word that best describes me either. For from it, most would tell you.
Personally, I find it extremely disheartening thats these high schoool girls continue to defend their positions with such overused euphemisms as "thats how they put food on the table for their family.
Jenni WAS immature for involving her "squad" in this matter. Period end of story. You might be suprised to learn that I DO defend her right to work at an establishment such as Hooters. There is nothing wrong with that in my eyes. Neither, do I find it degrading for women to dance in gentlemen's clubs. Perhaps it is not my place but, I for one am of the opinion that such occupations actually EMPOWER females.
With that being said the school administration does have a responsibility to the COMMUNITY to uphold the standards that the elected officials of this district have deemed prudent. Whether you agree with those standards or not is an entirely different debate. Also, wheteher you believe it or not, sometimes attempting to "buck the system", while an extremely popular trend, does not mean that it is the right one.
Jenni, had she truly been willing to sacrifice her employment at Hooters in order to continue to support "her girls" and all the "hard" work they did over the summer, could have chose to quietly given notice and informed the district of her change in employment history.
Another thing I find very funny is the fact that everyone seems to be defnding her decision to work at Hooters by trying to highlight the high unemployment rate in our area. There are plenty of service related jobs in our area. Just not ones where you get to do what the girl in that Halestorm song sings about.....
Sep 4, 2009 at 8:28 a.m.
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The precedent that could be set (and I go by Queen Mrs. Masters Degree) is that we could then be forced to hire the President of NORML to be our next crossing guard.
You can call me names all you want, but guess what? I don't care. I laugh at you.
HA!
Sep 4, 2009 at 8:08 a.m.
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So she would be a better person if she were to have been unemployed instead of working at a RESTRAUNT?! Its not a strip club, it has nothing to do with anything other than she serves people food and beer. She got a job - will everyone agree with it? No. Who cares?! I have never been in the one in Janesville but I have others - it is in no way shape or form degrading. The girls wear clothes! Its not like its a topless bar.
Sep 4, 2009 at 7:13 a.m.
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Katy I’m pretty sure that my squad or the cheerleaders at our school did not try our o "show off" for the boys; we tried out because we love what we do. And that is why jenni is coaching because she loves to dance. Jenni for no reason should quit her job that’s how she makes a living; there are many women who strip to make a living big deal that’s how they put food on the table for their family. Jenni is by far not immature I’ve known jenni for 3 years and she has been nothing but a role model to me and these girls. They never had a problem with jenni helping before so why is it such a big deal now. I love jenni to death and she is the only person I think is suitable for this job. Like everyone is saying were staying strong and fighting for someone we love to death! And I’m pretty sure our punctuation and GPA has nothing to do with how we feel. And you have no right judging jenni saying how she’s immature and bla bla bla she is one of the most mature people I know. jenni had every right to go and tell her squad what was going on they were told the day of a game that there not a squad anymore I’m pretty sure they have the right to know she’s their coach. Both squads have been working hard all summer and I have seen with my own 2 eyes the progress jennni has made with these girls, they look amazing. So maybe you shouldn’t be judging jenni when I’m pretty sure you don’t know her or the situation. I love ya jen!
Sep 4, 2009 at 6:53 a.m.
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Dear Mr. Principal,
Give her the job and concentrate on teaching Parker students the use of punctuation. How do these people graduate?
I. B. Taxpayer
Sep 4, 2009 at 3 a.m.
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Hank, we all promote ourselves in one way or another on a daily basis. Do you take the time to iron your clothes or make sure your socks and shoes match? Do the women in your life spend hard earned money at the salon and makeup to enhance their features? My guess is yes. Appearance and how we are judged is simply the way of the world and I think by judging these girls because they take pride in their appearance and are capitalizing on natural benefits is wrong. It is hard for me to believe that any mature adult could fault any young person today who is willing to work hard in any capacity. And Katy, being the center of attention is not for everyone so why do you feel compelled to criticize an activity that serves as a support system? Businesses need "Chiefs" and "Indians" to be successful but most importantly independent thinkers. I hope all your children walk away able to do that and have support especially if they choose not to think as you do.
Sep 4, 2009 at 1:10 a.m.
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15 min. of fame. What a world what a world. Look at me I'm famous and on the news.
Sep 4, 2009 at 12:01 a.m.
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I expect to be abused on this blog. Anybody who doesn't is deluding themselves. And mea culpa on the misspelled word. I knew I should have looked it up. Instant karma never looked so good.
I was responding to a person who suggested my girls couldn't meet the "physical standards" of poms (code for fat lazy girls). I was simply illustrating how they choose to spend their exercise time on the field (and in the pool), not on the sidelines.
In addition, kindness is a good suggestion. I don't think I was unkind to suggest that if dancedance wants to be taken seriously by the school board, she will have to elevate her standard of English and punctuation. It's a fact of life. I've seen excellent presentations by students to the school board. dancedance is far from that standard at this time. If the truth is hard to bear, is it kinder to let her go forth and fail, or tell her the truth so she may improve and possibly prevail?
Sep 3, 2009 at 11:51 p.m.
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I'm not a big Hooter's fan, and not sure I'd want my daughters working there. But there are other places I would not encourage as well. However, what I get out of this article is that this young lady has already VOLUNTEERED quite a good amount of time with this squad. Did anyone care before, or is it just an issue now that she is pursuing a paid position? I don't think working at Hooter's should be that big of factor in hiring her. She is willing to leave her job she says, so it should not be held against her that she worked there before she took a coaching job(if she gets it). Would you hold it against someone that paraded her body around in a swimsuit at a beauty pageant.? Aren't women there being judged and appreciated the same as Hooter's? I know a few great Moms who worked at Hooter's "back in the day"(before we all hit middle age :)
Sep 3, 2009 at 11:29 p.m.
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Katy you must be very proud of your girls.Now why dont you be quiet and leave others alone.By the way you spelled "balogna"wrong,unless you meant for it to be that way if not,its spelled"bologna"be kind to others,because someone may not be so kind to you and your girls and you wouldnt like that,would you?
Sep 3, 2009 at 11:19 p.m.
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dancedance: Before you go to the school board, you better use some of that freshman composition class knowledge and learn punctuation and grammar. The same could be said for many of the posts by these high school kids. The lack of coherent English is atrocious. And don't give me the "they are angry and can't type" balogna. Clearly the GPA required is not high enough.
In Evansville, the "standard" for competition is 1.5 GPA (Oh my, it's so hard to achieve). And that's with one F allowed. They may still compete with a 1.2, but will be on probation. Talk about a joke. There may as well be no standard at all. It speaks volumes as to what the priority is in our school when such lax "standards" are in place.
Sep 3, 2009 at 11:07 p.m.
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To Badgerlvr: My daughters are both extremely physically fit. One plays soccer and the other is in karate. Both are on swim team, swimming 1500m a day and win in their own class and the class ahead of them when need be. I think they could keep up with the physicality involved. As I said, I told them as long as they are going to put in time and effort, do it front and center, not on the sidelines cheering for some jocks on the field. Apparently you missed that part of my comment.
And I remain adament that Jennifer showed her immaturity by discussing the issue with the team. One does not speculate to children about the reason for a non-hire. She was in a position of authority over them, and as such should not have treated them as "bffs" to gain their sympathy. She blurred the lines of authority and THAT is as good a reason as any to let her go.
Sep 3, 2009 at 10:45 p.m.
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My point exactly! If you really believe that by Junior and Senior year your kids are not incredibly savvy to these issues than you are still living in the dark ages.
Sep 3, 2009 at 10:43 p.m.
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now i read dancedance's post,,, AND I FEEL BAD. LIFE IS SHORT ! lets all just get along and be HAPPY !
Sep 3, 2009 at 10:38 p.m.
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btw iclows, kids dont need help getting exposed to sexuality.. they been doing it for anywhere from 5,000 to 200 million years, depending on who you believe.... i lean toward 200M, i bet that lucy in the odivi gorge was a pretty hot little monkey, with our with out a bikini!
Sep 3, 2009 at 10:37 p.m.
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If you are truly upset by this issue then maybe the administration needs to take more heat for this. I know for a fact a highly qualified candidate applied for the JV coaching position in early June and was told then that she did not get the position and it was obviously given to the coach now in question of her qualifications. So....my question is why the big time gap between june and sept? It seems that this problem should or could have been solved a long time ago. Perhaps the administration will try to give the excuse of following Studer and their holy pillars they live by....but obviously the administration did not hold up their end of the Studer philosophy of transparency and not "hiding" or keeping things open and honest with the staff. So if the school district wants the rest of its employees to follow the Studer model then the administrators themselves need to play by the rules. But basically it's a load of crap that looks good on paper. All it has done is create angry people who don't agree with it...example A this debate over whether this girl should coach. Don't know what Studer is?...ask any Janesville teacher or call Quint himself.
Sep 3, 2009 at 10:34 p.m.
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hooters girl coaching pom's?, seems fitting. im pretty liberal, but there's times ive been emabarased enough to look the other way. Not always the kinda of thing i care to see from 14-18 year old girls. Comparing them to Swimsuits?? My daughter wears a suit in swim and they dont move like that in the pool!!!
Sep 3, 2009 at 10:20 p.m.
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I am guessing those women who continue to infer that Hooters is degrading to women have never in fact stepped inside the establishments four walls. There is not even one moment that these young ladies are expected to tolerate anything less than respect from their guests and are supported by management 100%. Do you feel degraded at the beach when you are in a swimsuit? And what is wrong with sexuality? Has it been so long that you have forgotten that the teenage years are when kids are discovering it? Not exposing them to it is not the answer but rather helping them learn how to balance it and make good sound choices. The key word there being choices! For those parents who haven't yet figured it out when you take away their choices it almost always backfires, that is parenting 101.
Sep 3, 2009 at 9:53 p.m.
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ohkay so i happen to be a varisty pom girl this year and mrs. moen is doing the best she can to keep the jv girls dancing while jenni is on what we can say "hold" for now. ive known jenni for almost a year and i cant tell you how happy i am to have met her she has helped me so much with poms she would help me when i didnt even want to be on the squad anymore but she INSPIRED me to stay whats that tell you come on she makes us do well not bad Hooters is just a food place. im pretty sure mostly everyone has been there before you take what you can get its a job she got the job before and they knew she worked there, why all the sudden because they have to pay her now. i mean seriously this is ridiculous jenni did nothing wrong but try to support herself and she would give up that for her girls i had her last year for half a year and she never once make me think of doing something wrong heck she always brought out the better in us. and you people saying what we ware is skimppyy craig is no different first of all and its a skirt with blooomers underneath its like like our buttts are hanging out if you dont like what we ware you can pay for us to get new ones. and im pretty sure you dont want to do that who does money is so tight around here hit thats why jenni needs to keep her job this whole summer she gave up so much to have practice with everyone at 8am. who wants to get up that early in the summer i dont but i did it we all did give her some respect she has been there for us. and come on Dr. Schroeder she obviously is a good person she graduated from parker so you know her personally and she was on the pom squad for four years thats a lot of experience. i believe that jenni is a great person and for the people here that dont know her personally cant judge her because of her job. thats like judging a book by its cover and dont you learn in school not to do that, i think so. the girls on jv i have seen crying so much because of this stupid drama that isnt needed why would you tell her she had the job then now she cant. thats bull seriously, what kind of person does that its sad to see the school board doing something so stupid maybe they are the ones that are being bad role models. and for alll you people on here helping the pom girls we really appreciate it. last year we got a new coach after having one for the first season and its hard it was just because you dont know them and your not as comfertable with them, but thats not something you want to go threw every year she was doing fine so just keep her. i believe that they should read these comments and see how other people feel its not just about them its about the people who have to be on that team and the people who are involved in it. girls keep your heads up we are ganna win this and jenni we all love you we are doing this for you guys !
Sep 3, 2009 at 9:47 p.m.
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Wow, heated discussion. I'll toss in my 2 cents worth. I fine Hooters to be degrading to women. I won't eat there and that's my choice. I'm sure this young woman is nice etc., but I also believe that people that play such a prominent role in kids' lives do have to live up to certain moral standards. So quit the hooters job and coach! I also see the point though, that jobs are hard to come by. It's a tough call. Either way, good luck.
Sep 3, 2009 at 9:44 p.m.
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To the JV poms team. Continue to stick together as a team. Go set up an appointment with Sperry, voice your opinion. Get together first be organized with your points, mature and calm. Stress her achievements with you girls, what she has done to make you a team (family) above and beyond all other coaches. Her ability will come through and maybe you will have your coach back. You could also have your parents do this. If he has a heart and listens to the truth, he'll understand and appreciate want a positive role model she is. Then if he picks someone else he's trying to prove a point.
Sep 3, 2009 at 8:40 p.m.
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The Girl Scouts did the same sort of thing to me when I wanted to help coach my sister's team for the 2nd year. The first year I coached I worked in a grocery store...no problem, the 2nd year the year I was turned away I worked in a Liquor Store. I just laugh because now I make more then any employee that works at the Scout office...and I vow never to buy cookies again!
Sep 3, 2009 at 8:38 p.m.
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alright, im not taking the time to read every single comment here... but those of you who are saying "look at what poms ware.. let her coach" makes me mad... we ware a bodysuite... a FULL bodysuite, a shell, skirt, AND bloomers!! we are plenty covered up. People ware shorter shorts... and more revealing shirts at parker highschool than jenni does at Hooters!! I mean the volleyball players ware shorter shorts than Jenni that are completly SPANDEX! half of them you cant even see their shorts because their shirts are too long! give me a break people please.. this is pathetic, her job should not interfere with her wanting to be a coach!!!! None of you whom are going against Jenni have the right to say ANYTHING about her.. or the poms girls unless you personally know them, and most of you dont so stop. I love my squad, and my coach.. but i also love the JV squad and Jenni.. Jenni has been with me since my freshman year on JV.. Schroeder needs to stop, and drop this and let her coach... its like telling him his son cannot play football because he will be "favored" since hes the freaking principals son!!! This is all uncalled for.
Sep 3, 2009 at 8:18 p.m.
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ok by me on mayhems post @ 7:06 pm
Sep 3, 2009 at 8:16 p.m.
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sounds good to me............
Sep 3, 2009 at 7:39 p.m.
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Someone please explain to me why this community seems so uptight. Who cares if she works at Hooters? I'd bet she is happy to just have a job in this economy.
Sep 3, 2009 at 7:25 p.m.
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donkeykong your an idiot! pom squad stand proud and you to Jenni!
Sep 3, 2009 at 7:06 p.m.
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How about we all go protest outside of Parker. This woman has volunteered for 2 years probably more then most have put in. I say we stand out there and let them see that we all care!
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Sep 3, 2009 at 6:08 p.m.
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I just saw the cha. 15 news story on this issue, then it went to Leigh Mills in the next segment whom was wearing the style of shirt very simular to what a "Hooters" waitress would wear. BIG DEAL!!!
Sep 3, 2009 at 5:23 p.m.
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If this was a guy trying for the job and had been a lifeguard all summer in his speedos, no one would say a thing!
Sep 3, 2009 at 5:08 p.m.
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Katy: More than likely the reason your daughters don't try out for Poms is because they can't meet the physical requirements Poms demand. The Poms kids put in as much time learning their routines as the football team does learning theirs. Give the girls a little credit. You "may" perceive the sexuality of the routine but how different is that from where the quarterback puts his hands during EVERY play?
Sep 3, 2009 at 4:53 p.m.
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Who cares? She's not a heroin-addicted hooker, is she?
In light of the recent problems with custodians and school liaison police officer, I'd expect that a "Hooters Girl" (and shouldn't it be "Hooters'"?) will be the least of our problems. Heck, at least she has a job!
And if they deny you, sue 'em for discrimination, kid. You go girl!
Sep 3, 2009 at 4:23 p.m.
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I laughed out loud when I saw the title of this article. More grammatically correct, it ought to read "SHOULD a Hooters girl coach..." I think she already demonstrated that she CAN coach POMs. It occurred to me that it was like a vicious circle continuing on... I know that was mean and hateful, but my first thought was "Who better to teach them to flaunt their bodies in pursuit of their goals?"
I think that her immaturity showed when she told the squad she couldn't coach because of her job. I'm sure the squad and their parents took it from there to contact the Gazette.
The sexual content of POMs and cheerleading routines and the whole purpose of this activity being to cheer a bunch of jocks on is why my daughters do not participate in this "sport." I have always told them that if they are going to put in the time and effort, they were going to be an active participant in a sport, not cheering someone else on at the sidelines. It's a metaphor for the perceived place for women in society. Harry Chapin had a great song about it in the 70s, the name of which I have long forgotten, but the impression remains strong.
Sep 3, 2009 at 4:22 p.m.
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This smells like Bill Sodemann
Sep 3, 2009 at 4:18 p.m.
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Hey Lil Peety - I just wanted to point out that first you said that the mention of politics in this story was not necessary and then your very next line mentions politics. I know you're not the brightest person on these boards, but which one is it?
Sep 3, 2009 at 3:51 p.m.
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Jason -you have to love this line "Actively dispel misinformation." Apparently no one told then Hooters is a restraint, not a strip club. I guess they are not to active to dispel anything.
Sep 3, 2009 at 3:48 p.m.
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What the heck? What, is the Church Lady running the school? ozzman was right, you see more skin at the beach. Yet a lifeguard would not look bad on the resume, eh, Mr. Schroeder? I guess you better fire all the teachers who visit that house of ill repute.
And you might have gotten some free wings too!
Janesville school administration = idiots.
Sep 3, 2009 at 3:40 p.m.
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Anyone interested in reading this "lengthy document" can click here... look for the "click here" link the body of the text. It's a whopping two page PDF.
http://www.janesville.k12.wi.us/BoardofE...
Sep 3, 2009 at 3:32 p.m.
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Once again the far right speaks! This coach has committed the evil sin of having a job. Maybe we should see if St. Williams or St. Mary's can provide a Nun to coach the Poms.
Sep 3, 2009 at 3:27 p.m.
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Who is this sluggo?
Sep 3, 2009 at 2:36 p.m.
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"The article states she tends bar as well at the restaurant. Whenever an underage waitress is serving us and we order alcoholic drinks, someone of age has to serve them to us and not the underage waitress. How can this young lady tend bar if she is underage? I think that is the main issue here."
You only need to be 18 in the state of Wisconsin to serve alcoholic drinks. The business may establish their own serving standards that are stricter but no law is being broken. Do a little research first.
Sep 3, 2009 at 2:17 p.m.
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I see more skin at the rockport pool than I do at Hooters. Why do people have such a reaction to Hooters?
Sep 3, 2009 at 1:52 p.m.
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I work at hooters and LOVE MY JOB! I support my children and myself. Can we stop this now please? Point is...jenni would be a great coach and deserves the position. We all know it. The people that don't see that should really get a grip. Her coaching has nothing to do with her choice of employment elsewhere. As long as it never interferes with coaching I don't see the problem?!
Sep 3, 2009 at 1:50 p.m.
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these whole discussion is wrong on so many different levels-this is what our community has come too??
Sep 3, 2009 at 1:33 p.m.
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havent left yet. If they fire me I will call the gaztte and report it maybe that will make everything better
Sep 3, 2009 at 1:32 p.m.
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Tiredofhearingit: been there and done that. A few times. Parker poms has been riddled with drama and controversey for the better part of 10 years. Them quitting now would just be tradition and would not make administrators listen or get the point.
Sep 3, 2009 at 1:31 p.m.
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staceyu2- you are correct. The pom squad has to maintain a certain average, and like a "regular" sport, they also have the athletic fees, and fund raisers. In the meantine, with Jenni gone, Ms. Moen the varsity coach is coaching both squads. Is she getting paid double??? Doubt it, probably volunteering.
Sep 3, 2009 at 1:31 p.m.
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Seriously, look at what the Poms wear...give me a break, let her coach.
Sep 3, 2009 at 1:27 p.m.
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LET HER SERVE WINGS, AND COACH!!!
Sep 3, 2009 at 1:24 p.m.
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I am amazed that some of the women commenting out there alluded to the fact that somehow because a young lady pursues an extracurricular activity of this nature she is not pursuing academics? I was Captain of my pompon squad many moons ago and still pursued academics, currently have a successful career, own my own home and all without any assistance from a man. What I can tell you is that my involvement in poms helped with interpersonal and leadership skills. I have to assume that you ladies were probably not candidates for this type of activity at your school and oddly enough still harbor ill will....let it go. As far as Hooters being a dead end job, there could be nothing further from the truth. Hooters has an endless array of benefits and opportunities for young women, one of which rewards them for pursuing academics and a career path. So concentrate on your own self worth because the ladies of Hooters are confident whether they are wearing their uniforms or a potato sack.
Sep 3, 2009 at 1:23 p.m.
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the sad part is she brought this on herself by going to the gazzette instead of the employer
Sep 3, 2009 at 1:05 p.m.
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LET HER SERVE WINGS
Sep 3, 2009 at 12:56 p.m.
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LET HER COACH!!!
Sep 3, 2009 at 12:53 p.m.
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*representinbtownyo***"The girls on the squad that took the time to comment, in defense of Jenni, should maybe concentrate more on their academics than learning how to shake their money-makers."**--- what are you inferring??, that they (the girls) are just in school for Poms?? How about you look at athletic code ...I am sure that they have to keep up with a certain grade avg.( with out any failing classes) in order to stay on Poms, Just like football basketball, swim or any other sport...... it's statements like that, that is not only degrading to the girls,, but shows how moronic you sound.
These girls go out for an activity, that they like, and enjoy, so why not fight for someone that makes it that more enjoyable for them... they do it all the time EVERYWHERE !!!!!
Sep 3, 2009 at 12:48 p.m.
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Ok, for you boneheads that seem to want to compare this to other staff with "bad behaviors" or students who dress "scantily", you're not helping the argument or even presenting a valid comparison.
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Sluggo, I think it's reasonable to assume that her employment is the issue because she was previously volunteering as a coach during the summer. Now that her employment is known, she's no longer allowed to coach. It may turn out to not be the issue at all, but it sure looks like it.
Sep 3, 2009 at 12:38 p.m.
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Are you serious???
Come on JSD...It's only Hooters...It's not like it's a strip joint. Families go into there all the time for a family meal...
And what's the difference between this issue and teacher's who go out to the bars and drink on school nights??? Heck one of my former teachers was picked up for drunk driving...and they are still teaching...
Let her coach!
Sep 3, 2009 at 12:36 p.m.
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This is pathetic. I had a high school teacher 2 years ago that was a bartender at a local bar and who openly talked about it in class. The definition of "Standards of Professional Behavior" needs to be more clear.
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Sep 3, 2009 at 12:31 p.m.
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Id rather have a hooters girl who has enough self respect to get a job and not try to live off other people while in school, than a person who cant see past the uniform she wears to work.
Sep 3, 2009 at 12:28 p.m.
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Sep 3, 2009 at 12:26 p.m.
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LOL thats all I got. i have to go to work you people are funny.
Sep 3, 2009 at 12:22 p.m.
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"There are high school children blogging to the gazzette while at school."
THE HORROR! Can you not think of one time during the day when they might be given permission to use the internet, or are free to use their phone off campus? Sheesh
Sep 3, 2009 at 12:15 p.m.
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One other comment, speaking of models for our kids, I would rather have this young lady be a model then half of the athletes like Vic who commit crimes and get a slap on the wrist and get to play again!
By the way DuWayne Severson works at Mercy also!
Sep 3, 2009 at 12:15 p.m.
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Why is that dumb Donkeykong. Almost as dumb as this whole conversation
Sep 3, 2009 at 12:13 p.m.
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Joan- Really? Are you serious? If you had any idea of what real life is like you never would have written that. Do you believe that all administrators, coaches or teachers are all great role models? If you think that is the case you are truly ignorant. You really think that by keeping her out of this job you will spare your one innocent girl out there?
Do you ever get outside or are you locked in your house?
Sep 3, 2009 at 12:11 p.m.
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Joan you really need to get a grip. Just because you have a Masters degree doesnt make you smart. In fact it proves just the oposite based on your comments here. I bet you have plenty of Skeletons in your closet. Usually the one who points the finger is the one who is guilty. This is a hard working young girl who is given up her free time to coach and attends school herself. How dare anyone judge her. Just like someone said in the comments, I would rather have this young lady mentor my child then the single pregnant parent or the ones who say dont drink, or smoke and yet they are doing it themselves.
Sep 3, 2009 at 11:53 a.m.
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This young woman is being persecuted for working???? HHHHMMMM, let's see, has anyone from the school board or PHS looked at the job market recently? Because of the uniform she is required at work she is having the ability to be a positive role model, mentor, and friend taken away. Has anyone looked at the shorts some volleyball teams wear? How about the speedos the boys swim team wears? Maybe Schroeder should look into that and there should be a whole new "approved" dress code for the athletic teams. Oh by the way, football players appear to be wearing tights, not exactly appropriate for those that have such a high moral value that they want to instill on very impressionable children.
Sep 3, 2009 at 11:53 a.m.
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If a Teacher can bartend, why cant a coach work at hooters? They are both similar jobs. If she is willing to quit her job, she should be able to coach.
Sep 3, 2009 at 11:52 a.m.
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I understand what the article says but, now she has blown this so out of proportion. There are high school children blogging to the gazzette while at school. What will happen when one of those kids gets caught with there iphone out in class because of this? Will everyone say that the school is run by tyrants? If she is as good of a rolemodel as they say she is then why havent we seen her blog to the kids and tell them to not do this during school hours?
Sep 3, 2009 at 11:50 a.m.
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etownguy, what a locker room way to act. She is not replacing her bartending job with the coaching job, she is getting another job so that she can qualify for the coaching job.
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This is really ridiculous and I hope it's all a misunderstanding.
Sep 3, 2009 at 11:47 a.m.
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DiGriz....I want to remind you and your newly found wisdom...HE CANT COMMENT IT IS AGAINST THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sep 3, 2009 at 11:45 a.m.
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Sluggo-Read the section of the article copied below. the three elements they told her they take into account were "background, experience...employment. which of these does she have control over to change"quickly"? Only one of the three-employment.
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"Roehl said she was told she had to change something in her background, experience or employment to be considered for the job.
Schroeder said that’s not quite right. He said he told her that administrators take those elements into account when evaluating a candidate. As of that moment, he said, he didn’t think she would be hired.
“I guess what she takes from that is up to her,” Schroeder said.
“… If she thinks there’s something she can do to improve and make herself a better candidate, then we obviously want her to do it as quickly as possible.”
Schroeder said he learned of Roehl’s job at Hooters when he read it on her application.
Sep 3, 2009 at 11:43 a.m.
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Does the Gazette have an update? Has a decision on the coaching position been made? How is the school reacting to all the parent and pom girls' comments?
Sep 3, 2009 at 11:34 a.m.
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opps where
Sep 3, 2009 at 11:33 a.m.
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PLEASE TELL WERE IT SAYS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SAID NO BECAUSE OF HER EMPLOYER!!!!
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Sep 3, 2009 at 11:19 a.m.
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HA!!!
So she is going from Hooters which she makes probably around $20K a year at to a job that pays $1900? Hopefully she doesn't have a car payment or a mortgage....she may have to dip into some of Adolf Obama's stimulus fund.
Oh yeah....should she be posted in her Hooters work outfit for us to make a sound decision??
Sep 3, 2009 at 11:15 a.m.
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Joan is worried aboout what a coach wears at her part time job, when high school girls are jumping around in skirts?
Sep 3, 2009 at 11:14 a.m.
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Joan just because she works at Hooters does not in ANY way mean she wont be a sucess at whatever she does! PLENTY of people have gone on to bigger and better things after having jobs you would say are questionable.
Sep 3, 2009 at 11:09 a.m.
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Two bits, four bits, six bits, a dollar!
All for Jen, stand up and holler!
Sep 3, 2009 at 11:05 a.m.
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to the girls on the squad: Ladies - take a stand - NO Pom Pom girls for Parker this year. quit. I'll bet you get their attention then.
Sep 3, 2009 at 10:50 a.m.
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To start with, frusion- No Jenni did not wear her Hooters uniform to practice. To representinbtownyo- the girls who are writing in are upset, so they have a few misspelled words. For those of you who asked about the money and where it went. The girls went to pom camp, which they paid for themselves (parents) and Jenni, who was volunteering, took time off of work, paid her own way, to go along with the girls as their COACH. The new applicant is supposedly a teachers wife who was on poms in school, and coached before. Jenni coached last year and they were fine with it. Now that she has Hooters on her application for this years coach, she isnt hired??? Think about it!!!
Sep 3, 2009 at 10:40 a.m.
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Joan- So it's ok for young girls to wear the skimpy (pantyhose less) pom outfits strutting their stuff and being provocative on the field as well as in school on game days, yet you say that it's inappropriate for a woman who waitresses for a living to coach said girls? What would you say if you knew that there was a teacher in the school working part time as a stripper to put food on the table. I don't think that it is a matter of where a person works, the fact of the matter is that she is/was working... That's the example that needs to be portrayed to our children.
Sep 3, 2009 at 10:37 a.m.
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"If you allow this, who knows what you will have to allow next based on precedent."
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Joan, that goes both ways. If you DON'T allow this, what precedent have you set?.
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She's certainly qualified and the pom team and their parents like her. She's been volunteering all summer and no one had a problem then. The only thing that's changed is the principal found out where she works.
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So, is the problem what she does or what she wears?
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So Schroeder, what would happen if you found another faculty member was a bartender? A lifeguard at the pool? A Kwik-trip cashier, selling alchohol and cigarettes?
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Joan, what precedent, exactly?
Sep 3, 2009 at 10:08 a.m.
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I agree with Jvlborn. The girls on the squad that took the time to comment, in defense of Jenni, should maybe concentrate more on their academics than learning how to shake their money-makers. The past participle of teach is spelled T-A-U-G-H-T. Stay in school girls, you might learn something other than how to cheer on a football game.
Sep 3, 2009 at 10:07 a.m.
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If a group of women ages 55-85 can have fun while dining at Hooters, never observing any behaviors out of the ordinary, then there is a misconception of the waitresses!!! Families do go there! Taking away an instructor that has worked with the pompom girls does not seem right!
Sep 3, 2009 at 9:54 a.m.
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You can bartend if you are 18 or older. If she graduated in 2007 she would be at least 20.
Sep 3, 2009 at 9:52 a.m.
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It will certainly be interesting to see how they extricate themselves from this situation.
At least the Parker freshamn will be able to head out at lunch for a doobie.
Sep 3, 2009 at 9:51 a.m.
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There has to be at least one girl who isn't dressing inappropriately at the high school and she is worth not corrupting with poor examples of what it means to be a woman in this society.
If we throw out the notion that we want to keep role models positive, then we have opened the flood gates to allowing persons of unethical character being around kids.
Put yourselves in the jobs of the school officials - what would you do? If you allow this, who knows what you will have to allow next based on precedent. You have to establish rules of conduct for school employees.
Sep 3, 2009 at 9:51 a.m.
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The article states she tends bar as well at the restaurant. Whenever an underage waitress is serving us and we order alcoholic drinks, someone of age has to serve them to us and not the underage waitress. How can this young lady tend bar if she is underage? I think that is the main issue here.
Sep 3, 2009 at 9:47 a.m.
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The school district should be ashamed of themselves refusing to hire her because of where she works. It's not like she's stripping or anything...
Sep 3, 2009 at 9:33 a.m.
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Joan, I agree completely with what you are saying. I don't approve either of the way many young ladies dress. Our differing opinion is on the topic of Jenni. I do not believe she will influence any girls at Parker to dress any differently than they are or are not now. Rather I will still say she will have a positive work ethic influence.
I do not know nor have I even seen Jenni before. Can anyone tell me if she wears her work clothes to Parker practices or games?
Sep 3, 2009 at 9:26 a.m.
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Just because corporate America is pushing to have your daughter end up looking like a prostitute, doesn't mean you have to let her end up like that.
Mothers who let their daughters waltz around with their boobs hanging out are incompetent in their essential function to protect her.
Sep 3, 2009 at 9:24 a.m.
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Frusion - no, I am not kidding. You know, its not a crime to have a different opinion than your own.
I think it's sad that girls are dressing so provocatively at a young age - but after all, our culture supports the notion that women are sex objects.
Certainly provocative outfits will attract the wrong kinds of suggestions. I remember wearing inappropriate outfits at their age and having some older man driving by in a car start hitting on me. Probably a pedophile. I can't believe my Mother let me wear those clothes (halter tops).
I stopped being treated like a piece of meat when I started covering up and that's the truth. With that came my self respect and later on, a Masters degree.
A job at Hooters is not the pathway to success - who was to know?
Sep 3, 2009 at 9:20 a.m.
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As much we all have to say about this were realy doing nothing.
If we want to get a point across call into the paper so whoever gets the paper will see it. Or call Dr. Sperry and let him no that what he is doing is not the smartest idea. All of us Pom Girls, and all of our parents have wrote letters to Dr. Schroeder and we even called and left him messages. A work place is a work place its not like she comes into practice in her hooters outfit. She just like one of us but older. She has go so close to all of us girls in such a short amount of time.
When we started practicing in the summer we couldn't get anything done. We had girls yelling at each other all the time. Now that after Jenni sat us all down and talked to us about how were a squad and everything we are now able to get haft of a dance down within two hours.! [: No one will ever understand how much this girl did for all of us. She is the best
WE LOVE YOU JENNIFER N ROEHL.!
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WE WANT OUR COACH BACK NOW.
Sep 3, 2009 at 9:13 a.m.
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Joan, you must be unaware of the cleavage on display everyday from about 7th grade on up. The Hooters outfits make the waitresses look like choir girls in comparison.
Sep 3, 2009 at 9:13 a.m.
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danias, I believe that "they" didnt say anything about Hooters and this entire forum would not be here had she shown a bit more maturity and not ran to the gazzette making this accusation
Sep 3, 2009 at 9:06 a.m.
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Joan, you are kidding right? Many girls in middle school and high school across this country show more breast than Hooters girls. When you speak of role model, I will retort with the drive she has to work 2 jobs and still volunteer her time. The example she sets is what this country needs more of...WORK! She is a hard working person and I think that speaks volumes toward setting an example.
Sep 3, 2009 at 8:59 a.m.
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I can't believe they are upset that she works at Hooters. There is nothing wrong the girls there they wear clothes. Its not a strip joint!Why don't the staff really walk around the schools half of the teachers wear short skirts and teach elementary kids.Sounds like she is awesome with the kids so let her teach poms!!!!!!
Sep 3, 2009 at 8:58 a.m.
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Anyone notice that "pom" also looks like "porn"? Perhaps it takes bad vision, but I thought it said porn at first! Ironic.
My two cents - some young women are very impressionable and want to be like someone who is attractive like the girls in magazines. It's something our culture culminates.
I think it's probably fair to say that high schools should employee those who will provide positive role models for students.
Sorry - working at an establishment in which relies on women's breasts for marketing and advertising, is more of a T & A place than a restaurant. Who was to know that working at Hooters would look bad on their resume? Duh!
Sep 3, 2009 at 8:48 a.m.
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What can I say that already hasn't been said?
Sep 3, 2009 at 8:34 a.m.
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Why did the school let her volunteer(work for free) if she is not alright to do it for pay!!! Atleast she has maintained a paying job and is not utilizing the "system". Good Luck Miss Jenni, they don't deserve you! I don't even know you, but it sounds like you are too good for them!!! Their loss!!
Sep 3, 2009 at 8:31 a.m.
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Sluggo...when my husband and I were at Hooter's a couple of weeks ago, we were served by a pregnant waitress. My son worked at Hooter's as a busboy when he was in high school. I found his "employee handbook" and took a look at it. There was reference to appearance (must wear the uniform and be clean and well-kept), but there was no mention of gaining weight being a cause for termination.
Sep 3, 2009 at 8:30 a.m.
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Housewife you said "I think the REAL reason they don't want her coaching with her legitimate, tax-paying job is because she would spill how many the student's Dad's and administrator's husbands have been tipping her- well." Its not a strip club so who cares who tips well?? My husband used to be a Chef and he knows how much work the staff does so when we go out to eat he always leaves a big tip. OH MY!?!
Who cares if she works at hooters?! The fact that she has a job and is not relying on mommy or daddy to get her through school should show shes an adult.
Sep 3, 2009 at 8:29 a.m.
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I remember when ECHO refused donations from Hooters and now they are crying for money. Maybe Janesville will get a little smarter and decide your place of employment doesn't determine how good of a coach you are or how charitable you can be.
Sep 3, 2009 at 8:16 a.m.
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BTW--everyone must remember we don't really know why she hasn't gotten the position. Of course, the school can not tell the media or anyone else why she wasn't hired--they'd be sued in a second if they did that. It's speculation on the applicant's part why she isn't hired.
Sep 3, 2009 at 8:13 a.m.
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The standards for a volunteer should be the same as an employee. If her 'background' allowed her to be a volunteer, then that should be the same to be an employee. Unless there is something that isn't being told--education or something else that's required to hold a paid position (I would doubt this is the case in this scenario--but I wouldn't know for a fact) But, her criminal, employment and references should have already been checked for be a volunteer--unless Janesville doesn't screen it's volunteers, which would be very scary if they don't!! If I was her though, I wouldn't want the position now. I would never know if I got the position because I deserved it or because they felt pressure because of this article to hire me.
Sep 3, 2009 at 7:57 a.m.
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Would Schroeder hire her if she went back to volunteering? I know for a fact Schroeder himself hired a pom coach who was a bartender full-time at an establishment a little more questionable than Hooters for cry eye!
Sep 3, 2009 at 7:54 a.m.
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Schroeder said Tuesday he still was evaluating Roehl’s application and that there was one other applicant.
Probably an unqualified unemployed relative of the administration or board that wants a job.
Sep 3, 2009 at 7:53 a.m.
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i say hire her... i`ll tip her for coaching!!!
Sep 3, 2009 at 7:50 a.m.
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If you work hard you can be anything you want in life. Our school system must teach something else? *****I would think if she is this well liked,supported and wanted, she was doing something right.***** I've NEVER seen this kind of support for anyone else in the school system.
Sep 3, 2009 at 7:50 a.m.
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maybe I am mistaken but, when talking about standards and "discrimination" can't hooters FIRE a girl for gaining weight?
Sep 3, 2009 at 7:29 a.m.
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Hooters is no different then some of the old time Hamburger stands that had women roller skating around in short- shorts..LOL.. Big deal, if she meets the job requirements, then this shouldnt be an issue. Good Luck!!
Sep 3, 2009 at 7:01 a.m.
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HEY THERE -- I BET JENNI THANKS YOU FOR ALL THIS SUPPORT, BUT HOW ABOUT CALLING DR. SCHROEDER AND DR. SPERRY, LEAVE THEM A MESSAGE WITH YOUR SUPPORT FOR JENNI. OR CALL THE SOUNDOFF IN THE GAZETTE. WE WANT JENNI TO STAY!!!!!!!!!!!
Sep 3, 2009 at 6:53 a.m.
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Well considering she did it all summer to the satisfaction of both the parents and the team and judging the outcry of support I guess that blows the last theory.
Sep 3, 2009 at 6:46 a.m.
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There is another applicant (second to last sentence).
Sep 3, 2009 at 6:40 a.m.
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I'd be more worried about the unprofessionalism displayed by sensationalizing an assumed reason for her not being hired. The Hooters thing seems to be more of her reason than the school's. How do you know that's the reason? A "personnel" issue means it's confidential not a "personal" issue.
Sep 3, 2009 at 6 a.m.
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A lot of Rock Co, residents dont aprove of these leaders but do they get kicked out.? No we continue to let them run. Why.?
Sep 3, 2009 at 5:57 a.m.
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truth, exactly. I wonder how many of those male school board members, teachers, administrators, teacher's assistants, has ever been to Hooter's or a actual strip club??? I guarantee most have. Even if it was in their 'youth'. Seems like a bit of a double standard. The men can go to one, but the woman should not work at one.
Sep 3, 2009 at 4:12 a.m.
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Let her coach and keep her job at Hooters.
She's obviously experienced and qualified so what's the problem?
The Janesville school district is ridiculous.
Sep 3, 2009 at 1:57 a.m.
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Is there any chance that the Hooter's connection is 'much ado about nothing' and they're really concerned about the fact that (as the article states), "she also tends bar at the Janesville restaurant?" Perhaps being a bartender working with kids is more controversial than being a waitress working with kids...???
Sep 3, 2009 at 12:17 a.m.
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Would this be an issue if one of the male cooks at Hooters wanted to coach, lets say, JV tennis?
Sep 2, 2009 at 11:52 p.m.
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ADULTS SET A POSITIVE EXAMPLE! STOP JUDGING. Coach Jenni is a very nice young lady(20) who goes to school, works(in one of the worst towns to find job) to support her self,(happens to be a place of discretion) and involves herself in the community. How many young adults do that! My daughter is one of the jv poms girls and loves having jenni as a coach. My daughter loved getting up this summer to spend her mornings with jenni and the team, for a teenager, that's an accomplishment in itself. Coach jeni has brought these girls together of every backgound and all different groups and taught them to work as a team. lets do the same for her. WHO'S SETTING THE EXAMPLE NOW.
Sep 2, 2009 at 11:26 p.m.
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As a member of the Parker Varsity Pom Squad, I really hope that all of the people who are against what kind of a person Jen is, really take the time to read all these comments about how great of a coach she is. I have known Jen for 3 years, the first year she helped out with my own pom squad. Not one time have I been influenced by her to make bad choices. She is an all around amazing person who is there for her team like a mom. I was devistated when I heard the news, and too see the tears on the JV's girls faces when they heard their coach will no longer be with them, tore me apart. She was not even my own coach and she was there supporting our team in what we did. It's ridiculous how they brought a stripper into view because that has nothing to do with the situation. It's a restaurant and bar that requires a uniform (no nudity). Im positive most teachers have been there before. I really do hope she gets a lawyer and settles this as a lawsuit because its honestly discusting how they have handeled this. Not telling her what she can do to improve her so called bad quality of life, and their NEW policy on this kind of stuff, please it was probably made up just when this issue came about so they had some stupid rule to back it up with. I'm sure if a football coach or basketball coach had a part time job somwhere as this they wouldnt even hesistate to let them go. Poms is not like any other sport, its a 9 month sport where the girls spend time and time together as a team and with their coach creating relationships and dancing. Wouldn't you want your own students to have someone that they got along with and felt inspired them in what they do. This year has started off like no other, with no major issues between us teenage girls and we have been so exicted because of that and then this comes along, you have got to be kidding me. I also think its pathetic how the school system decided to tell the team not too long before the friday night game that their coach was no longer in this and the whole Parker Jv poms was on "pause" (they didnt preform that night,their first game). As freshman their first time perfoming at the football game is so exciting and they decided to just let their whole summer of hard work and commitment finalize into nothing. The district really needs to think about what they are doing and put their selves in the places of the girls who have very strong feelings for their coach, and the parents who have paid lots of money put in lots of time and have been their for their girls who will no longer have a inspiring coach because of where she works and the decisons she has made in the past. Come on people, its life, we are human, we are not perfect and we do what we can to live our life to the fullest. So why dont they live theirs and give our JV squad all they want, their coach Jen.
Sep 2, 2009 at 11:19 p.m.
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Honestly I think this is the most dumbest thing Ive heard. Not letting someone Coach because of where they work.. Come on people seriously that is ridiculous! Let her coach its something she loves & wants to do out side of her job! What does working at HOOTERS have to do with being a pom coach?? LET HER KEEP HER JOB & DO SOMETHING SHE LOVES. Alls this is going to do is make the kids rebel.
Sep 2, 2009 at 11:12 p.m.
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With all this said... I kept reading about the $500 dollars that these girls had to pay (either by themselves or from parents).. where did this money go??? and for what?? If these girls had to pay a fee for (athletic fees or something on that nature) I think that someone better question the Financial aspect of this (if Jenni is not hired) or anyone is not hired for this position, they better get some kind of refund...
To pay that kind of money (and for what) and not getting any thing in return is totally BULL$#(&^ !!!!!
I wish Jenni the best of Luck.. And i hope that this does not stop her.. KEEP GOING GIRLS (and you family and friends)
Sep 2, 2009 at 11:07 p.m.
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This story makes me sad. I happen to know Jenni and she is a great girl who loves poms and teaching the girls. Why is her job even an issue. How does her job even effect her being a coach. Does she come to practice in her Hooters uniform? Do we really need to discuss other coaches moral behavior? Lets be serious should we dissect every coach, director, principal, teacher, and superintendents behavior when they are not on the clock? Do you really want anyone to tell you what you can and can't do on your own time? She is supporting herself doing everything right and it has been okay and would be okay if they didn't have to pay her. How does that make sense. I don't believe for a minute that no one knew till she filled out the application. If that is true than I guess its sad that they don't check out volunteers at all. She has been doing poms for a long time and was at camp with the girls. This is just crazy. Another example of people stepping in and blowing things up for no reason and it only hurts the children! This isn't even about parents trying to get rid of a coach the parents actually want the coach to stay! Go figure!
Sep 2, 2009 at 10:54 p.m.
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First off. the varsity coach has volunteered more of her time to keep jv dancing. and she is in school for her masters and already coaching varsity. her life is pretty busy already so i would appreciate leaving her out of it.
Jenni's senior i was the first freshmen to make varsity in years and Jenni was the only girl who would talk to me, and we've been bestfriends ever since. She is the most genuine and hardest working person i've met. So she works at hooters, at least it's a job and she's willing to quit for Poms. Varsity and JV both love her and want her to stay, she's done nothing wrong, the School District doesn't even understand what they just started. The Poms team is not willing to just give her up, and all of us will go threw hell to get her back. WE LOVE YOU JENNI!
Sep 2, 2009 at 10:47 p.m.
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In this economy- let her keep her job... IF it interferes with her coaching address it then.. until then... let her live her life. Who could support themselves on a part time coaching gig??? COME ON PEOPLE!!!!!!!! IM sure there are cheerleaders and pom girls themselves that do more "risky" behavior than Jenni.
Sep 2, 2009 at 10:38 p.m.
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I happen to work with jenni at hooters. Ironically enough I have children of my own!! Am I unfit to be around kids because I'm simply a waitress that happens to wear a uniform to work everyday?? I'm just trying to earn a living like jenni is. The economy is tough. Shame on you for asking a college student and hard worker to quit her job! Are you going to pay her lost wages so she can keep her home?! Doubt it. Enough said.
Sep 2, 2009 at 10:27 p.m.
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The lesson for today children - descrimination!
Sep 2, 2009 at 10:21 p.m.
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ALL WE WANT IS OUR COACH BACK.! [:
we love that girl to much to just let her go, there will not be a JV Parker Poms Squad without Jenni.
She is part of our squad without her were nothing.
Jennifer Roehl as my coach, bestfriend, sister, iiloveyou girl.
no matter what happens you'll always bee our Coach.! [:
Sep 2, 2009 at 10:19 p.m.
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I'd bet my paycheck that many of the male teachers and coaches have been to Hooters. Probably the Superintendent as well.
Sep 2, 2009 at 10:19 p.m.
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Be nice. No racism, sexism or any other sort of -ism that degrades another person.
This is part of the Gazette's User Policy Statement, that sits right above the "post comment" area of this page. Maybe the Janesville School District should read that, before they question a persons moral fiber.
Maybe the person who runs the pom squad should be someone who should be trusted with the children like a catholic priest(Girls are on the squad), a police offier(Miltons ex school liason), or a PTA member(cookie dough).
Maybe Hooters should get involved in the lawsuit for defamation of the business.
Sep 2, 2009 at 10:16 p.m.
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hankhill, if there was no threat of lawsuit, why wouldn't Schroader and/or Perry simply tell Roehl HOW to "improve and make herself a better candidate"?
Sep 2, 2009 at 10:13 p.m.
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How often, if ever has a coach in this town had this much support and backing. Apparently Jenni has made a huge impression on these girls and helped them in more ways then any other coach has ever done for them. Few people like this ever come along in a persons life and our school board is willing to throw this away. How stupid are they? They have a point to prove and will never change. They don't seem to really care what is in the best interest of the students. If they did care Jenni would have the job. Sorry Jenni unless you have a good lawyer the school will come up with any excuse to replace you. It's sad because you have made a difference in a lot of peoples lives. We need more people like you in our school system!
Sep 2, 2009 at 10:05 p.m.
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As I read on and on I find there is so little more I need to say. For so many years I have sat by and watched this small minded self righteous town cast opinions and judge anyone who did not fall under a certain sir name or grow up within the appropriate circle of friends. So kudos to all of you that have defended and applauded Jenni for the simple fact that she holds a job, attends college and still finds time to give back to the community. Jenni, your parents should be proud of the young lady you have become and I am sorry that even after you considered terminating your employment with Hooters you still did not get the respect you deserved from the school board. And to JvlBorn, you could be more creative with your user name because based on your comments it was obvious to all that you were born here...lol.
Sep 2, 2009 at 9:58 p.m.
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This opening has been here since before school was out last year and they are just now getting around to filling the position? Why didn't the AD hire someone way sooner? Why isn't the varsity coach at least offering to cover at the games so the girls can perform? If I was a parent who paid $500, had a kid who practiced all summer, the kid went to a week long camp, etc. I would be expecting some answers before Friday nights game and there is a second game missed. The school has an obligation to these students and parents. I think the AD should conduct practice and be at the games until this is all straightened out since he passed the buck off to the principal anyway, who obviously really botched this one up!
Sep 2, 2009 at 9:53 p.m.
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...and what a horrible lesson being tought to young girls. As others have said, if she was good enough to volunteer, she should be good enough to be paid. Looked at another way, if working at Hooters prohibits you from working with students, who allowed her to work with students in a voluntary capacity? Shouldn't the same standards apply, whether voluntary or not?
Sep 2, 2009 at 9:37 p.m.
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“I guess what she takes from that is up to her,” Schroeder said.
“… If she thinks there’s something she can do to improve and make herself a better candidate, then we obviously want her to do it as quickly as possible.”
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Wow. What's most disconcerting is that Schroader and Sperry won't actually come out and tell Roehl what to "improve", but they want her to do it as quickly as possible. Huh? How completely unprofessional.
Sep 2, 2009 at 9:32 p.m.
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I think this is the first time that I have seen all the comments go one way! If she was good enough to volunteer, she's good enough to get paid! You want to look at something, look at all the coachs who tell their athletes that they can't smoke, and they go outside and light up! Typical Janesville hypocrisy!
Sep 2, 2009 at 9:31 p.m.
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Alright this is out of control i love my coach to death she is amazing and to take her away after all we have been threw is insane!! She is a great coach friend and role model the money we have paid is nothing compared to the bond n friendships we have all made with jenni! she is an amazing girl all around! this is not right! they are taking away our coach n for what?? there is no reason at all and thats what is getting to us girls!!! she is my coach and we are not giving up! as of now out of 12 girls 4 of us are fighting just as hard as she is! we love jenni and we wouldnt be a squad without her i just wish more of the girls would fight for her. they want to keep her but are not doing anything to help! I have became very close to her and she has made me a better person over all if she gives up (she wont) but if she was to theyre would be no JV PARKER POMS she is part of the squad she deserves this just as much as we do and thats why i say BRING OUR DANG COACH BACK!!!
Sep 2, 2009 at 9:22 p.m.
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Since when is working at a legal business, a restaurant no less a liability to work with high school kids?! She is working, and trying to teach kids as well. This is the most assnine story I have seen in a while. Way more important issues to report. I have a scanner, and there are many more important things to worry about in Janesville. jmo
Sep 2, 2009 at 9:21 p.m.
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I'm a little on the fence on this issue, mainly because I have been shocked at the sexual nature of pom and cheer routines over the past few years. This covers both Craig and Parker squads and no, I am far from a prude when high schoolers aren't involved. One particular routine involved the F-word in the song's chorus, and the coach apparently thought it'd be ok to simply blank out that word, as if we all weren't figuring out what rhymes with it that someone would 'sure like to' do. Lyrics and gyrating are usually at stripper level, in my opinion.
NOW, judging from these comments, I think we would all win if more attention were paid to spelling, grammar, punctuation and capitalization than one very part-time position within the district. Keepjenni and parkerpoms, how do your priorities fall?
Most adults know that a job at a place like Hooters is going to come with some annoying baggage in Janesville, and this would be a fine example.
Sep 2, 2009 at 9:18 p.m.
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lol@smabie
Sep 2, 2009 at 9:09 p.m.
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The Hooter's girls wear tan tights/pantyhose too, which means they are actually a lot more "covered" than they appear.
Sep 2, 2009 at 9:05 p.m.
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I, as a varsity member of parker poms wish i could tell schroeder myself how i feel about this!! Jenni was my coach half the year last year... and she tought alll summerr, now it comes time to pay her and they cant do it because of her job?! We live in janesville a job is a freaking job right now! This is such bull crap Jenni has done nothing to deserve this but work her butt off to make some money because she as everyone else has bills to pay!! Jenni is a great girl, and an even better coach... she LOVES her girls.. and she was all for giving up her job, but no they still decided she cant be coach because of her job.. whatever. this is bull!!
Sep 2, 2009 at 8:56 p.m.
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Take it from me, because I am acually one of the girls that had jenni as my poms coach. At the day of the football game jenni was devestated when she told us she wasn't able to coach for my squad anymore because of her job, everyone was crying because we have grown SOOO much with jenni, i couldnt even tell my dad that we didnt have a coach anymore, i had to run to the bathroom and cry my eyes out. Because jenni has helped my squad so much and we put all this effort and work into our routines and pay almost $500 in the summer to find out that we wont even have a coach anymore! So jenni, if ur reading this 'WE LOVE U SOOOOOOO MUCH AND WE WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER U AND MISS U!!!!
Sep 2, 2009 at 8:53 p.m.
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I think this young lady should take the school board to court. Absolutely nonsense, and discrimination! Period. I thought 'religion' was suppose to be kept out of schools these days? Well, obviously, they are considering this job a sin, and where would that come from?? Religion....hmmmmmmm????!!!!
Sep 2, 2009 at 8:44 p.m.
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evansville wife: What is the morality clause in the Standards of Professional Behavior that could prove troublesome regarding gay rights?
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upsetparent: "Parents should have the final decision not the school board or principal." In all hiring decisions, or just this one?
Sep 2, 2009 at 8:40 p.m.
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I'd be more concerned if the coach was a catholic priest.
Sep 2, 2009 at 8:35 p.m.
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this is all stupid. if you have ever walked the halls of a high school before you will noticed that haft of the girls wear shorter shorts, and low low cut shirts. working at hooters is just like working at the texas roadhouse, besides there uniforms. i went to the parker football on Friday August 28th, and the girls on the Parker JV Poms made Jenni posters. if these girls didn't care about her they wouldn't of done that. theses girls have became so close to her it's not even funny. most of these girls tell Jenni more then they can tell there bestfriend. Jennifer Roehl in many parents, students, and teachers view is a WONDERFUL coach. i've talked to some of the Parker JV Poms girls myself, coming from what they said "we will treat her like crap, she isn't the coach we want, she isn't the coach we can tell everything to, she will be nothing to us." so taking away someone who means alot to these girls is the most dumbest thing a person could do. she is willing to give up her job just to stay with the girls. give her some slack.. LET JENNIFER ROEHL BE PARKERS JV POM COACH.! (:
Sep 2, 2009 at 8:34 p.m.
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I would rather have my daughter have a hard working waitress as a role model than the single pregnant teacher that my son had last year!
Sep 2, 2009 at 8:13 p.m.
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Remember people in the 80`s girls shorts were this short all the time. Also remember the NBA players shorts back then also.They are only waitresses not strippers.If she is qualified
for the pom job let her do it.I don`t think
she will be wearing her Hooters outfit at school.
Sep 2, 2009 at 7:54 p.m.
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Maybe the school board should let the parents decide on who should coach THEIR CHILDREN. Parents should have the final decision not the school board or principal. If Jenni is and has been doing a good job, there is NO reason why she shouldn't continue to coach. The school board is trying to make a point and this is wrong. I also don't believe anyone should accept this position or they are backing the position the school is taking. What is the school board going to do to that coach? By accepting this job a new coach would be sending out the wrong message to these girls. They would be telling the girls the school is right. These girls need to stand up for what they believe in. Isn't that what the school system has taught us all through school. Look at Martin Luther King etc. JENNI HAS PROVEN SHE CAN DO THE JOB LET HER DO IT!!!!!!!!
Sep 2, 2009 at 7:52 p.m.
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News Flash!
"3 women were injured at the local Hooters, when an elastic malfunction caused the toppling of the newly finished human pyramid."
Do you want this to happen to your children on the squad??
Wait, What?
What do you mean cheerleaders make human pyramids too?
Nevermind!
Sep 2, 2009 at 7:50 p.m.
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I personally saw the disappointment in the eyes of one of the young ladies that has had poms ripped away from her. This is such a tragedy...let the woman coach!
Sep 2, 2009 at 7:32 p.m.
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Good grief
Sep 2, 2009 at 7:03 p.m.
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Hoo boy.
Rereading the "Standards of Professional Development" regarding "Morality"- it's only a matter of time before a Gay Rights issue comes up. That code is a hidden agenda, and it's only a matter of time before a gay teacher challenges it.
*grabs popcorn*
Sep 2, 2009 at 7 p.m.
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What hypocrites.
They want a woman to teach their girls to dress up in short skirts, dance provocatively, and egg boys on, but it has to be someone from a Christian, upstanding background?
The misogyny here reeks. I see a massive lawsuit coming on. Back in the 1920's, a married woman couldn't teach, because, you know, married people have sex and that would be immoral around the students. This travels along the same bent, that a woman with sexuality is a creature to be feared and controlled.
I think the REAL reason they don't want her coaching with her legitimate, tax-paying job is because she would spill how many the student's Dad's and administrator's husbands have been tipping her- well.
Sep 2, 2009 at 6:56 p.m.
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Can a Hooters girl coach Janesville high school poms?
Only if she dresses them in Hooters outfits.
Relax, it's a joke.
Sep 2, 2009 at 6:53 p.m.
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This is utterly (no pun intended) disgusting! In these economic times being as they are to require her to quit her job because it's Hooter's??? Give me a break! I drive school bus, have for 16 years and I see more skin on my bus than anyone see's at Hooter's!!!! For heaven's sake, people take their children to Hooter's for the wings!!!! They wear shorts and tank tops! Are they gonna make the girl's swim team wear 1920's era bloomer swimsuits!?!?! because the 1 piece swimsuits are more form fitting than the Hooter's outfit's!! Janesville School District is a joke! And this is why my property taxes are sky high??
Sep 2, 2009 at 6:46 p.m.
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Not sure what it's worth since my kids don't attend that district but it's not like being a waitress at Hooter's is a shameful job. It's not like she's gonna take the pompom squad there for snacks. If she was good enough to be summer help, she's good enough to be hired.
Sep 2, 2009 at 6:17 p.m.
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Our daughter is on the pom squad and we see no problem with this. Why dont they take a vote from the squad and the parents. She was good enough to make up routines and teach the girls when it was volunteer, but now, "gosh we cant have someone who works at Hooters be employed by the school district". Yeah, maybe they should start digging into some of the other employees and see who else has "not school district material" jobs. STARBUCK1 - she is a GREAT coach, and yes the girls have bonded with her. How do you think a new coach is going to feel when she knows the team does not want her?? Back to Hooters- I picked my kids up from school today and some of the girls had on skimpier clothes then the Hooter girls wear. Dr. Sperry & Dr. Schroder need to see that the team doesnt want a new coach, they DONT NEED A NEW COACH. No complaints against her. My vote--along with the rest of the parents and team-- KEEP JENNI...
Sep 2, 2009 at 5:46 p.m.
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After putting three kids thru the school system I can say without reservation that the intelligence of these administrators is that of a gnat. And that's unkind to gnats. They cannot think "outside the bun" and have no common sense. It's pitiful, at best.
Sep 2, 2009 at 5:45 p.m.
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If she has worked with the pom squad she probably has more experience than the other canidate. If she does not get it she should fight it. Give me a break. The school district has no good reason not to hire. Hooters is Hooters, not Queen Isabella.
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